Mr anony:
God does not show favouritism

shdemidemi:
No, he is not. If you are for him you are saved. So everyone has a chance in this church age to be just before him.

From_Guiriga:

Give me your context.

From_Guiriga:

I agree.
What's your take on this Romans 1:16

Mr anony: @shdemidemi, Christ DID NOT pay the devil anything. That is bad theology

From_Guiriga:
I agree.

I agree in some regard. Job in your the bible was a "righteous/blameless" man before Yahweh was he not?

shdemidemi:
What church age are you talking about?
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Job was definitely a righteous man at that time, what made Job righteous at his time does not make you and I righteous now because the scripture is not stagnant but it is a progressive revelation.

During Christ's earthly ministry, the people were righteous by believing Christ is the son of God. The church age started after Christ died and resurrected, at this time the message moved from believing Christ is the son of God to believing the death and resurrection of Christ.

shdemidemi: I will address this topic on another thread. I can assure you, you will agree when I explain it.

From_Guiriga:

Do you need progressive revelation to have a clean heart?
"...Do unto others as you will like them to do unto you..." Nothing progressive or religious or Jewish about this. This is the Law and the prophets.
What's progressive is the interpretation of religious leaders.
In fact, this was Buddhist saying way before Jesus came on the scene. Buddhism: 560 BC, From the Udanavarga 5:18- "Hurt not others with that which pains yourself."

Who moved the message from doing the will of the Father?

shdemidemi:
what you are talking about are morals. Morals don't make you righteous or good before God now, the bible says 'all our righteousness/morals are like filthy rags before God' what makes you righteous is believing the gospel of Jesus Christ. The power in the gospel is what changes and renews your mind, intuition and perspective to mirror that of God.

Mr anony:
I say Amen to that. The gospel came to the Jews first after all. Following in line after the Jews doesn't make our salvation any less authentic. Read Colossians 3:11

From_Guiriga: You are right. The early follower of Jesus were from Judah or lived in Judea.
What Jews are you talking about?

From_Guiriga:
You are not addressing my questions brother. "...Do unto others as you will like them to do unto you..." is in the bible. This is the law and the prophets. Jesus morals are not good enough for you?

I posted the Buddha because according to Buddhist he said this. Years before Jesus and years before the tribe of Judah came on the scene. This is not progressive. Its been around for a while now.

About this filthy rag thing....it was their LORD that made them err from his ways and hardened their hearts....
How do you tell a baby he is a filthy rag before God?
Brother think these things through...

Bidam: @_Guiriga from the righteousness perspective i tend to agree more with shdemidemi. Paul would not have boasted about his righteousness if he had confidence in his ability.#If someone else thinks they have reasons to put confidence in the flesh, I have more: 5 circumcised on the eighth day, of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; in regard to the law, a Pharisee; 6 as for zeal, persecuting the church; as for righteousness based on the law, faultless.#

Mr anony:
What Jews where you thinking of when you brought up Romans 1:16?

From_Guiriga:
Those who does the will of the Father.
That is ANYONE with a clean heart.

I ask again, what Jews are you talking about?

shdemidemi:


I get what you are saying, but the bible makes it clear that being a good man or doing unto others as you will like them to do unto you does not qualify you as just and right before God. What makes you right before God is believing in the gospel of Christ, all the good manners can be built on the platform of the faith. The bible says 'the just/righteous shall live by faith'.
But this is Jesus teaching. As a matter of fact, this is the Law and the prophets. Are you going to teach different from the master? If you believe in the Gospel of Chris then you will believe and do what he said: Which is do unto others as you will like them to do unto you...Having a clean heart will not make you right before God?
Love thy neighbor as thyself....will not make you right before God?
Then why would Jesus teach these things my brother. Remember: He says what the father has told him to say.


You and I did not become sinners because of the evil things we do, we became sinners because one man that we all came from sinned thus every man that comes after him carries the gene of the first man. By this any innocent child coming to the world carries the same 'DNA' of the first man Adam. That is why you do not need to teach your child how to lie or how to rebel, it all came with them as a result of the sin of the first man imputed in every one.
I get that. So if that is the case then my sinning ways are not my own fault. It's "in my DNA" like the color of my hair and so forth. Can an Ethiopian change his color? The answer to that is no. So I cannot change my sinning ways then? Look, sin is one thing, mortality is another. I think your church is teaching original sin. Which if you think it through, does not add up. They are mistaking with mortality. I ask you my friend, a man that lived 6,000 years ago is the reason for your sinning ways?

Christ has come to impute righteousness in all man in the same manner, As soon as you believe, you are dead to the sins you inherited, it is left for you to now leave a sanctified life like Christ which can only be possible by the gradual renewal of your mind through truth and wisdom of God's word.
That is standard Christian teaching to keep folks in fear of God. I did not inherit sin. Mortality, yes. Christ came to give life and life everlasting. I'm in agreement with the rest of the comment.

From_Guiriga:


Church theology is running against Christ teachings. Trust me.
Ask your pastor this brother: If we are all born sinners, then why are they getting married and bringing babies to this world. Not only they are doing this, but they are telling their fellow members to get married before having children because that is the right way/Godly to do it.
That makes them the biggest sinners out there!
Trust me, they don't believe what they are teaching out there. The same fear that comes to person when he takes what is not his is the same fear that should come upon them when are going to have children.

Give thanks for the reasoning still.
Good reasoning.

shdemidemi:
The Jews are not people who do the will of the father. The Jews(descendants of Abraham) are as guilty as the gentile.

shdemidemi:
There is nothing wrong in getting married bro. God supports marriage, in fact Christ is married to the church.

Bidam: @_Guiriga from the righteousness perspective i tend to agree more with shdemidemi. Paul would not have boasted about his righteousness if he had confidence in his ability.#If someone else thinks they have reasons to put confidence in the flesh, I have more: 5 circumcised on the eighth day, of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; in regard to the law, a Pharisee; 6 as for zeal, persecuting the church; as for righteousness based on the law, faultless.#

From_Guiriga:

Yes, give thanks. This is what I'm saying all along. Where did that get Paul? Killing the followers of Christ. That's right. He was persecuting them. A misunderstanding by Paul. Once he came to the understanding of Christ. Then, things changed.
He realized that God could raise descendants of Abraham from stones...Him being a Hebrew by flesh means nothing the the most High God the Father. The Father is after the the heart. Paul was after the flesh prior to coming to his "vision"

I think I'm being either misunderstood or not explaining myself properly.

Either way...give thanks!

From_Guiriga:
Those who does the will of the Father.
That is ANYONE with a clean heart.

I ask again, what Jews are you talking about?