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Re: Re – Who Will Defeat Jonathan In 2015? Joe Igbokwe Responds. by Afam4eva(m): 2:05pm On Jun 22, 2013 |
payless:Like i said, the influence of ACN will sway a lot of young SW and especially Yoruba voters. Another influence that could sway them will be Buhari's deputy who will definitely come from the South. Even a vice from the SW is not advisable bcause the party already has a hold on the SW. They have to endeavour not to kill a bird with two stones instead they should kill two birds with a stone. A deputy from other parts of the South will make sense. |
Re: Re – Who Will Defeat Jonathan In 2015? Joe Igbokwe Responds. by maclatunji: 2:06pm On Jun 22, 2013 |
I know Buhari has won popular votes in the past if you eliminate PDP's manipulation especially in 2007. However, it would be wrong to make the APC seem like a platform only designed for Buhari in 2015. It goes beyond that. |
Re: Re – Who Will Defeat Jonathan In 2015? Joe Igbokwe Responds. by maclatunji: 2:09pm On Jun 22, 2013 |
I am certain the APC will surprise us with its Presidential/VP candidates in 2015. |
Re: Re – Who Will Defeat Jonathan In 2015? Joe Igbokwe Responds. by Afam4eva(m): 2:10pm On Jun 22, 2013 |
mikeansy: By the bolded, you're over-estimating the political education of the average electorate. Fashola is no different from the likes of Pat Utomi etc. If ACN fields Fashola, the will lose and woefully at that. Fashola will only be able to win the SW states but what happens to the SS(Their son is contesting) and the SE(their cousin is constesting) and the North? That will be a political suicide if you ask me. Don't forget that making fashola the presidential candidate will also mean making a Northern Christian(a northern minority) his deputy. |
Re: Re – Who Will Defeat Jonathan In 2015? Joe Igbokwe Responds. by Nobody: 2:10pm On Jun 22, 2013 |
mikeansy: Furnish the source of your claim that there are 60% Christains and 40% Muslims in Nigeria. Some also have the view that there are more muslims in Nigeria than Christaians without facts. I don't really know the exact number and I really want to see it. Some of you just sentimentally cook-up numbers depending on your religious view. |
Re: Re – Who Will Defeat Jonathan In 2015? Joe Igbokwe Responds. by Ngwakwe: 2:13pm On Jun 22, 2013 |
This South West People Sef Mallam El-Rufia will definitely do better than Fashola who will this time deport Nigerians to the borders of Benin Republic and Cameroon mikeansy: |
Re: Re – Who Will Defeat Jonathan In 2015? Joe Igbokwe Responds. by Afam4eva(m): 2:13pm On Jun 22, 2013 |
mikeansy:Nigerian voters don't care much about the religion of a candidate but about where the candidate comes from. So, that counts for little. |
Re: Re – Who Will Defeat Jonathan In 2015? Joe Igbokwe Responds. by Nobody: 2:21pm On Jun 22, 2013 |
payless: the records of census in Nigeria are clearly not to be trusted but how can muslims be more than christains in Nigeria? lets not digress from the topic but Plateau, Benue, are majority christain states in the North Central, there are also large populations of christains in Kogi, Kwara, adamawa, Taraba, Nasarawa, Southern Kaduna, Kebbi. Yes you have Muslims in the South West but its not enough to dent the population of christains in North Central and North East. There is no statistics to prove this as Nigeria has never included religion in census data. But anyway lets not digress you can believe what you like. |
Re: Re – Who Will Defeat Jonathan In 2015? Joe Igbokwe Responds. by Nobody: 2:29pm On Jun 22, 2013 |
mikeansy: You do not have facts to support your claim. Don't forget that concentration of Muslims in Kano alone is more than the entire Christian population in North-central. Muslims argue they are more in number and Christians say the same thing sentimentally. If you have the fact, post it and let's see it. I believe you are just being sentimental. |
Re: Re – Who Will Defeat Jonathan In 2015? Joe Igbokwe Responds. by Afam4eva(m): 2:31pm On Jun 22, 2013 |
payless:There's also no fact that the Mislim population in Kano alone dwarfs the entire Christian population in the North-Central. Infact, that's preposterous. |
Re: Re – Who Will Defeat Jonathan In 2015? Joe Igbokwe Responds. by maclatunji: 2:33pm On Jun 22, 2013 |
Afam4eva: They actually do. An Igbo business man who has no problem borrowing from an Islamic bank will most likely vote for GEJ than a Ribadu for example just because he feels GEj is closer to his tribe and religious background. I don't care how brilliant a Rochas Okorocha is, he will struggle against a Salisu Buhari in the North. The late Ojukwu spent a good part of his childhood in Lagos Island. He had no hope of winning an election there. |
Re: Re – Who Will Defeat Jonathan In 2015? Joe Igbokwe Responds. by omiobo: 2:34pm On Jun 22, 2013 |
Ngwakwe: Why do Opinion Editors/Writers in Nigeria delighted in writing much and saying little.What kind of restructuring? Corruption restructuring or what? If Gej can truly sacrifice himself for this nation,He needs no one to campaign for him to win in 2015. |
Re: Re – Who Will Defeat Jonathan In 2015? Joe Igbokwe Responds. by DerideGull(m): 2:34pm On Jun 22, 2013 |
If the elections are free and fair or not in Nigeria, PDP will continue to win until the hell freezes up or a military coup that will abolish political parties and yet restart another "non-independent" electoral commission that will mandate Nigerians to yet form another sets of political parties. The party which the boys in khaki want to win the initial election will continue the circle. Nigeria is what it is, a jungle. It is very Nigerian and practical idiocy to introduce an association known for nothing such as All Progressives Congress (APC) into the discussion. Until the so-called APC is registered as a political party, it does not deserve a mention in intellectual discussion bordering on political parties. |
Re: Re – Who Will Defeat Jonathan In 2015? Joe Igbokwe Responds. by Afam4eva(m): 2:35pm On Jun 22, 2013 |
maclatunji:I made reference to religion and not ethnicity. Your post supports my assertion. It's more about ethnicity and than Religion. |
Re: Re – Who Will Defeat Jonathan In 2015? Joe Igbokwe Responds. by Nobody: 2:36pm On Jun 22, 2013 |
Afam4eva: If you go by the census and Kano Sate being predominantly Muslim, you have to make that conclusion. Taraba, Nasarawa,Kogi, Benue and Plateau total population is still less than population of Kano Sate. |
Re: Re – Who Will Defeat Jonathan In 2015? Joe Igbokwe Responds. by Afam4eva(m): 2:37pm On Jun 22, 2013 |
payless:I can't remember the census ever including the religion of Nigerians. Do we know the ratio of Muslims to Chrritians in Kano and vice-versa in the North-Central? Even the census figures cannot be trusted. |
Re: Re – Who Will Defeat Jonathan In 2015? Joe Igbokwe Responds. by omiobo: 2:43pm On Jun 22, 2013 |
Afam4eva: Good analysis but my fear is that Yoruba is not predictable. If the Vice president is not going to come from SW but other south state,that means ACN Governors have a lot to do. I see them APC winning if they can go this way. |
Re: Re – Who Will Defeat Jonathan In 2015? Joe Igbokwe Responds. by Nobody: 2:44pm On Jun 22, 2013 |
Afam4eva: I never said census includes religion. You do not have to be a rocket scientist to know Kano Sate is predominantly Muslims, just as Enugu, Anambra, Calabar, Rivers, Abia....... are predominantly Christans. I have been to Kano, Kaduna, Nasarawa, Benue, Kebbi, Niger, Kogi, Plateau and few other states. I can say only Kaduna, Bornu, and Benue have large population of Christians in the North. Others North central states do too but the total population of those states is at minimal. My point is; no one knows if there are more Muslims in Nigeria or more Christians in Nigeria. People should stop being sentimental. They should provide prove to support their claims if there is any. |
Re: Re – Who Will Defeat Jonathan In 2015? Joe Igbokwe Responds. by Afam4eva(m): 2:49pm On Jun 22, 2013 |
payless:I never said there were not more Muslims in Kano than Christians. I was just attacking the assertion you made about the Muslims in Kano being more than the Christians in the North Central. |
Re: Re – Who Will Defeat Jonathan In 2015? Joe Igbokwe Responds. by Nobody: 2:49pm On Jun 22, 2013 |
payless: do you have facts to say Muslims are more? post yours! what is the population of Muslims in Kano? You surely dont know that number! From the census data you can only say the population of kano, but you can not say the population of muslims in Kano. if you know the figures let us know. |
Re: Re – Who Will Defeat Jonathan In 2015? Joe Igbokwe Responds. by Afam4eva(m): 2:50pm On Jun 22, 2013 |
mikeansy:He never said Muslims were more. I guess he was playing the devil's advocate. |
Re: Re – Who Will Defeat Jonathan In 2015? Joe Igbokwe Responds. by Nobody: 2:57pm On Jun 22, 2013 |
payless: going by your analogy, suggesting that there is a high concentration of muslims in Kano without providing any data is also being sentimental. you can not have it both ways you know. |
Re: Re – Who Will Defeat Jonathan In 2015? Joe Igbokwe Responds. by Nobody: 2:57pm On Jun 22, 2013 |
mikeansy: I don't have the number and I haven't said there are more Muslims in Nigeria. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to know Kano, Katsina, Kebbi, Sokoto, Bornu, Kebbi, Zamfara, Niger, Jigawa have large number of Muslim population. You also don't have to be a rocket scientist to know Abia, Anambra, Enugu, Akwa-Ibom, Imo have prodominantly large number of Christains. |
Re: Re – Who Will Defeat Jonathan In 2015? Joe Igbokwe Responds. by Nobody: 2:59pm On Jun 22, 2013 |
Afam4eva: No one is playing devel advocate here. I just don't agree when people argue sentimentally. You will be surprised if you know my religion. You might know if you can go through some my posts. |
Re: Re – Who Will Defeat Jonathan In 2015? Joe Igbokwe Responds. by Nobody: 3:00pm On Jun 22, 2013 |
mikeansy: Kano is predominantly Mulsim just as Anambra or Enugu is Christian. |
Re: Re – Who Will Defeat Jonathan In 2015? Joe Igbokwe Responds. by emiye(m): 3:01pm On Jun 22, 2013 |
payless: The bolded is not true! |
Re: Re – Who Will Defeat Jonathan In 2015? Joe Igbokwe Responds. by Nobody: 3:06pm On Jun 22, 2013 |
payless: you are also arguing sentimentally when you say because Kano is "predominantly" muslim and hence the population of muslims in kano must be more than christains in North Central as a whole. Just as I do not have any data to back my claim, you also have no data to back up this claim. you can not call mine sentiment and calls yours common sense! Both of us are drawing inference from what we can see in the absence of data backing either claims. 1 Like |
Re: Re – Who Will Defeat Jonathan In 2015? Joe Igbokwe Responds. by emiye(m): 3:08pm On Jun 22, 2013 |
A muslim-muslim ticket by the opposition is a no -no , it will give PDP a easy punch line and a propaganda campaign against such ticket will travel faster than wild fire, taking in to cognisance the sentimental sensibilities of an average nigerian. I have a feeling APC will not field Buhari, but look for a candidate who will made to "sit on buhari's shoulder" at campaign in the northern zone. |
Re: Re – Who Will Defeat Jonathan In 2015? Joe Igbokwe Responds. by Nobody: 3:10pm On Jun 22, 2013 |
emiye: Don't get me wrong here. There are more muslims in those predominantly Christian States than Christians in those predominantly Muslim states. The Hausas are not tolerants when it comes to religion. Christians are being intimidated in those predominant Muslim states and Christians have no choice but to stay away. Christians don't live in their states because their lives are in danger. Most Christians who live in the North are most Igbos. The population you see in those predominatly Muslim states reflects the number of Muslims in thos states. It is fair to say Kano is 97% muslim population. |
Re: Re – Who Will Defeat Jonathan In 2015? Joe Igbokwe Responds. by Nobody: 3:12pm On Jun 22, 2013 |
payless: Do you have data to prove the bolded? can it also be classed as being sentimental? |
Re: Re – Who Will Defeat Jonathan In 2015? Joe Igbokwe Responds. by Nobody: 3:14pm On Jun 22, 2013 |
mikeansy: Mine is logic. Did you agree when I said Anambra, Enugu, Imo, Abia, Akwa-Ibom are predominantly Christians and that makes the South predominatly Christian? |
Re: Re – Who Will Defeat Jonathan In 2015? Joe Igbokwe Responds. by Nobody: 3:15pm On Jun 22, 2013 |
payless: so yours is logic and then mine is sentiment? you are very funny my friend |
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