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Re: Basic Medical Science In Nigeria - The Way Forward? by fulli16(m): 5:59pm On Sep 19, 2013 |
this is a really painful situation, am studyin anatomy and i sumtimes find it difficult 2 defend d course, buh i still try 2 make people see reasons why its not a hopeless race...a colleague of mine wuld always say he doesnt bliv d course he studies in skul wld determine his success in life, which i fully agree to. My advice to students of bms...u must refused to b intimidated by people's claims. Work hard, nd u wont b disappointed. Am in support of wateva movement we make to beta our future as long as it doesnt result in violence. Thanks 2 Likes |
Re: Basic Medical Science In Nigeria - The Way Forward? by drdams: 6:05pm On Sep 19, 2013 |
Bro, wots d essense of post grad diploma and professional certification? Cmon, a grad of BMS and allied field going for a DE in a very very similar field is uncalled for.. Its politics n done try and quote and pathology, bla bla... Those terms ar not new to BMS grad either.. This not Medicine or Dentistry, the Hype and Protocol is jst too much.. Every 1 wants to Monopolize his field.. Thats makes Management Sciences far more accomodating.. Lemme tell u now, I av a friend who studied mcb abroad, did a 6mnths associate in Chemical Pathology, came to Naija for NYSC, applied for membership in MLSCN in 2012 and was entitled to d 1 year internship programme.. Nw why d preferential treatment enny09: |
Re: Basic Medical Science In Nigeria - The Way Forward? by heparine(m): 6:12pm On Sep 19, 2013 |
Am a medical biochemistry student also in B.M.S most of my seniors who have graduated we tell us guys we don't no were to fit in after graduation because the med lab we nt even consider us becos med lab science are also there to be employed then we ask our self why was d department created as a BSc pls we are begging our ogas at d top who are there who have made it to the top that was once a BMS student should please come and helps us cause the situation is going out of hand we need the way forward that why our health sector is not improving because the basic medical are not well treated |
Re: Basic Medical Science In Nigeria - The Way Forward? by Nobody: 6:28pm On Sep 19, 2013 |
marvelling: ok here I go! licensed to do what exactly? |
Re: Basic Medical Science In Nigeria - The Way Forward? by donchrisk(m): 6:34pm On Sep 19, 2013 |
marvelling:Sory sir its late to become an AMLSCN. Some of u were lincense 2 practice via intenship programm organised by the council. But its has 2 stop based on some dats i can not explain here. Its 2 late God bless MLS 1 Like |
Re: Basic Medical Science In Nigeria - The Way Forward? by Nobody: 6:35pm On Sep 19, 2013 |
Careers are being created. |
Re: Basic Medical Science In Nigeria - The Way Forward? by drdams: 6:36pm On Sep 19, 2013 |
License to practice as a med lab scientist. ngozievergreen: |
Re: Basic Medical Science In Nigeria - The Way Forward? by DrABCD: 6:37pm On Sep 19, 2013 |
chreld_b: This is an interesting thread, I wonder why it took so long to get to front page. That aside let me give my own two kobo. First and foremost my initial analysis is that most graduates of BMS have little understanding of what role they are meant to play in the medical field (i'll get back to that). Secondly the brutal truth is that a BMS graduate (BSC) has little or no role to play in a hospital. Now let me expantiate. As a graduate of BMS you are trained to focus the career path of a scientist (research) but you want to do the job of a doctor. What most people don't understand is that doctors are not scientist. Scientists advance knowledge, whereas doctors merely apply existing knowledge. Unlike the MD who does not need to produce any original research, scientist must produce original research and earn some professional credibility. It typically takes a couple of years longer to become a scientist most times you have to earn a PhD. Part of the reason it takes so long is that the scientist is being trained on how to think critically about existing knowledge, and it can take a while to find one's niche and fill a gap in the knowledge base. This means that if you yourself want to make important scientific discoveries and then tell the world about them, you will be much better prepared by getting a PhD than an MD. You also will be much better prepared to criticize studies you read about in virtually any field because you will be trained in critical thinking and writing. MDs typically aren't as qualified as scientists to evaluate research studies and their significance.its not true bro, MDs are scientist.....thy apply d science alredy researchd by previos individuals and also carry out research on improvin medical care....sayin drs are not scientist is like sayin medicine is static..... 1 Like |
Re: Basic Medical Science In Nigeria - The Way Forward? by drdams: 6:40pm On Sep 19, 2013 |
Here isnt a show for Chauvinism.. Give constructive comments let odas learn.. donchrisk: Sory sir its late to become an AMLSCN. Some of u were lincense 2 practice via intenship programm organised by the council. But its has 2 stop based on some dats i can not explain here. Its 2 late God bless MLS |
Re: Basic Medical Science In Nigeria - The Way Forward? by oyeludef(m): 6:40pm On Sep 19, 2013 |
25Calibre:u av no right to qtn anybody's belief mr wise. d fact dt u chose d path of atheism dsnt mean others must .if u have notin usefl 2 say abt d way foward den say notin at all |
Re: Basic Medical Science In Nigeria - The Way Forward? by eeewise(m): 6:43pm On Sep 19, 2013 |
Bms graduates make una go find work for bank,teaching in schools,road safety etc like d other graduates.u guys shd b lucky u hav a bsc at all in this shit hole country to enable u hussle for a job,doctors re also now jobless by d way |
Re: Basic Medical Science In Nigeria - The Way Forward? by rubenic(m): 6:47pm On Sep 19, 2013 |
marvelling: ok here I go! Graduates of Microbiology have got opportunities in other industries aside the health sector. For example, the services of a Microbiologist is highly valuable in the Breweries, Pharmaceutical Companies, other food and beverages, Research, Lecturing, Oil and Gas, Agriculture, Nafdac quality control labs,etc. To crown it up, you can be self employed. Stop lamenting about the discrimination in clinical Laboratory by the Medical laboratory bla bla bla... With Microbiology, the sky is your starting point. PLEASE NOTE: The above applies to Microbiologist trained in a "University" not a glorified secondary school |
Re: Basic Medical Science In Nigeria - The Way Forward? by AlfaHaqu: 6:47pm On Sep 19, 2013 |
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Re: Basic Medical Science In Nigeria - The Way Forward? by Nobody: 6:54pm On Sep 19, 2013 |
Dr.'Hesjay: u made sense in many sentences. U said u studied BMS with medical students and at d end of d day , u suffer alone? But then, u forgot that MBBS doesnt end in d clinical yrs, after 3rd yr, a medical student studies pharmacology/pharmacy, all aspects of medical lab sciences in addition to core Medicine/psychiatry and Surgery, Community medicine, Of which u are to write professional exams for at each level in sch. 2 Likes |
Re: Basic Medical Science In Nigeria - The Way Forward? by Nobody: 6:55pm On Sep 19, 2013 |
;Dif u re a graduate of anotomist, microbiologist , u cn apply to bcome phlebotomist,and technician respectively in mls laboratory.don t distop ur sef...... if u re a graduate of anotomist, microbiologist , u cn apply to bcome phlebotomist,and technician respectively in mls laboratory.don t distop ur sef...... |
Re: Basic Medical Science In Nigeria - The Way Forward? by FISAYOADEX(m): 7:00pm On Sep 19, 2013 |
It is good to note that all those Basic Medical Science courses were created to ease off the rush for Medicine and Surgery by students seeking admission in Nigerian universities. Generally speaking, in today's world, BSc degree is like a secondary school leaving certificate. To be relevant in any field of study, you just have to further beyond BSc. It is just rather unfortunate in Nigeria. In other developed world, those in the BMS are into research, that's why you see them earning Nobel prize in their fields of interest e.g Robert Edward won a Nobel prize in Physiology for developing the concept of In-vitro Fertilization in 1978. Until we develop a curious mind for research in Nigeria, all these BMS courses will have no where to fit in. 1 Like |
Re: Basic Medical Science In Nigeria - The Way Forward? by UyiIredia(m): 7:07pm On Sep 19, 2013 |
BMS courses are foundational to medicine and thet fact that it isn't professionally recognized in the health sector is lamentable. BTW my sister, who studies Physiology (a BMS) course HEAVILY LAMENTS the fact that medical doctors lack a solid foundation in physiology (or human anatomy) and their knowledge in this aspect is mostly theoretical. * * * pause * * * Let that sink in. A doctor that his little practical knowledge of the human anatomy ! Such a doctor is unfit to be a general practitioner. He can as well be a glorified nurse. Fortunately, some serious-minded medical students know this and read physiology as a course before going for medicine. Some of my sister's classmates are of such a mind. In any case, space should be made for anatomists as researchers and consultants (for well-versed physiologists). |
Re: Basic Medical Science In Nigeria - The Way Forward? by Nobody: 7:09pm On Sep 19, 2013 |
This is what happens when you don't read posts carefully and 'digest' it before making comments... I clearly stated it that we do the same courses in their 'pre-clinical years'! So shld BMS graduates suffer because they didnt do medicine,surgery,pharmacology??.. I'd rather you read the post once again!! ngozievergreen: |
Re: Basic Medical Science In Nigeria - The Way Forward? by Nobody: 7:12pm On Sep 19, 2013 |
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These professions are regulated within the United Kingdom by the Health professions council . Anyone who falsely claims to be a biomedical scientist commits an offence and could be fined up to £ 5000. Each department specialises in aiding the diagnosis and treatment of disease. Entry to the profession requires an Institute of Biomedical Science (IBMS) accredited BSc honours degree followed by a minimum of 12 months laboratory training in one of the pathology disciplines, however the actual time spent training can be considerably longer. Trainees are also required to complete a certificate of competence training portfolio, this requires gathering extensive amounts of evidence to demonstrate professional competence. At the end of this period the trainees portfolio and overall competence are assessed if successful state registration is achieved. 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Stem cell biology, cloning , genetic screening/therapies and other areas of biomedical science have all been generated by the work of biomedical scientists from around the world. Leading UK biomedical science academics and researchers include: Prof Mark Ferguson, Prof P G (Gerry) McKenna MRIA, Prof David Rogers, Prof Val Randall and Prof Robert May. ↑Jump back a section Education Biomedical science graduate programs are maintained at academic institutions and medical schools around the world, and some biomedical graduate programs are administered jointly by an academic institution and a business, hospital, or independent research institute. While graduate students historically committed to a particular research specialty, such as molecular biology , biochemistry , genetics, or developmental biology , the recent trend (particularly in the United States) is to offer interdisciplinary programs that do not specialize and instead aim to incorporate a broad education in multiple biological disciplines. Historically people entering biomedical graduate programs have held a master's degree, although many universities (particularly in the United States) currently accept applicants holding a bachelor's degree with exceptional credentials such as high undergraduate GPA and entry examination scores as well as extensive research experience. Initially, biomedical graduate students usually rotate through the laboratories of several faculty researchers, after which the student commits to joining a particular laboratory for the remainder of his or her tenure. The remaining time is spent conducting original research under the direction of the principal investigator to complete and publish a dissertation. Unlike undergraduate and professional schools, there is no set time period for graduate education. Students graduate once a thesis project of significant scope to justify the writing of their dissertation has been completed, a point that is determined by the student's principal investigator as well as his or her faculty advisory committee. The average time to graduation can vary between institutions, but most programs average around 5–6 years. [3] Biomedical scientists typically study in undergraduate majors that are focused on biological sciences, such as biochemistry , microbiology, zoology, biophysics, etc. 1 Like |
Re: Basic Medical Science In Nigeria - The Way Forward? by Nobody: 7:36pm On Sep 19, 2013 |
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Re: Basic Medical Science In Nigeria - The Way Forward? by theplanmaker: 7:37pm On Sep 19, 2013 |
the only hope for u guys is to get masters degree nd move towards academics. there is 2much war in d health sector ryt now, I dnt think anyone ll let u guys in. the doctors claim to knw it all .so they dnt need others 1 Like |
Re: Basic Medical Science In Nigeria - The Way Forward? by Nobody: 7:41pm On Sep 19, 2013 |
BMS students/graduates, Let this sink into your head; you have no role in the hospital! Considering that most University Teaching Hospitals in Nigeria don't have a research facility. I don't know why you want to work in the hospital actually, why do you really want to do there? If you're studying any of the BMS courses, you better be doing so because you want to contribute to the field of medical sciences, it's not about the money, prestige or fame, NO! It's about your desire to contribute to existing knowledge, that leads me to the qualification required to become a real scientist; you can't just earn a 4/5 years degree and start claiming to be a scientist, You're expected to go for a research advanced degree (Msc and Phd). If you don't have the proper orientation about the course you're studying, I'd advice that you consult the internet and make proper research. If you're looking forward to a "quickie" degree, don't study BMS. 1 Like |
Re: Basic Medical Science In Nigeria - The Way Forward? by androidFather: 7:45pm On Sep 19, 2013 |
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Re: Basic Medical Science In Nigeria - The Way Forward? by drajjay: 7:47pm On Sep 19, 2013 |
the truth is that this country is not yet fully ready for these BMS courses .i am currently a major physiology but i wrote the recent utme to apply for medicine and i was successful .before i started physiology i had wanted medicine but i was given physiology .so right now am happy to be in my dream department. |
Re: Basic Medical Science In Nigeria - The Way Forward? by ziga: 7:47pm On Sep 19, 2013 |
Great discussion. Biggest problem is that Nigeria as it is right now, limits the potential of basic medical sciences because there are no research facilities available. So, don't blame yourself for the passion that led you to study the course that you love. Blame the government that has failed to put down an organized structure for things to operate. We are a consumer nation. Think of it, it this affects so many courses of study in different ways. We hardly can produce anything. We only consume what has already been produced by developed nations. Even medicine, (which is gradually becoming irrelevant) would have been a totally irrelevant course if not that it is essential for every community to have physicians(healers of the body) of some sort because people will always fall sick. Think of it. . . , despite the exploding population, hospital numbers/hospital capacities/ Medical labs haven't increased. If the basic function of the government is not being done, how would we expect them to put any funding towards research. Everyday, politician's salary is increasing and none of them understand that they shouldn't have to travel to Dubai for a rectal exam. Forgive me, but I think it is a good thing to see that recently, even our politicians are dying of diseases that would have been well treated if facilities were available locally. Basic medical sciences, medical lab science and pharmacological science are all attached to medicine at the hip. And as long as medicine and the health of the general population continues to rot, the situation will continue to worsen. MDCN or MLSCN shouldn't be the enemy but allies. Like I said, we are all tied at the hip. The government is the real enemy here. Put money in the health sector, put more value into the health of the common man/average Nigerian and they will produce more smiles/less crime/ corruption. |
Re: Basic Medical Science In Nigeria - The Way Forward? by lxgx1: 7:49pm On Sep 19, 2013 |
The problem is that these BMS courses are outdated. Who goues to spend 6 yrs only studying anatomy. thats bull crap. there's no future there. in the US we have medical technology, technical courses and other assorted courses that serve as assistants to professionals in the health field. thats whats necessary. Secondly , wake up folks. this relieance on the oil industry as the saviour for jobs aint happening. they're drilling their own oil in the US and moving to electirc vehicles. apart for some minor exports to cover shortfalss in the future NJa will drink its oil. then what. everyone will kidnap everybody else for money? Think of starting stuff for your selves . I know the next excuse is no capital. then get some damn capital.if u gotta sell shit , work as house boy whatever it takes , make it happen. My mum started out selling mops in traffic in the mid 80's now she's independently secure in her own business . No govt contracts or other useless stuff. It can be done. GET of Your LAZY ASS and MAKE IT HAPPEN. 2 Likes |
Re: Basic Medical Science In Nigeria - The Way Forward? by Olucheye(m): 7:50pm On Sep 19, 2013 |
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Re: Basic Medical Science In Nigeria - The Way Forward? by Airhix(m): 7:53pm On Sep 19, 2013 |
Thanks Guys ! You have said it all ! I have a bsc in human physiology ! After the program and nysc ! The struggle wasn't easy ! Had to take a dive into Chemistry ! Am happy now ! I have some books and publications to my credit ! Any course outside Medicine,pharmacy,nursing and medical lab sci , I for one wudnt advise any person 2 accept the admission , you can on your own peril ! The physiological and anatomy national associations, who are heading them ; they all have got MBBS , so little ones and those undergraduates studying anatomy, physiology ,medical biochemistry , be very ready ! The journey is very long ! Start a patent medicine store or teaching jobs (biology ) awaits you in private secondary schs ! NUC have a role 2 play ! Re-structure these courses ! Let it be a 5 or 6 yrs course with a straight Msc or scrap it completely ! No medical research institute in Nigeria as of this age ! The ones will see are those with Fed teaching hospitals ! How many researchers are there ! I know of one ! The lassa fever institute with ISTH irrua edo-state ! Basic medicine in nigeria is messed up ! No future , most of our graduates are used as medical sales rep is only a brand name 4 drivers ! They drive all the length and breadth of nigeria delivery drugs 2 pharmaceutical store ! |
Re: Basic Medical Science In Nigeria - The Way Forward? by marvelling(m): 7:54pm On Sep 19, 2013 |
So this thread finally reached front page?! hmmm For y'all that quoted me, wait I dey com. You will all receive a befitting reply for your inability to read well. Mofos 1 Like |
Re: Basic Medical Science In Nigeria - The Way Forward? by ziga: 7:56pm On Sep 19, 2013 |
lxgx1: The problem is that these BMS courses are outdated. Who goues to spend 6 yrs only studying anatomy. thats bull crap. there's no future there. in the US we have medical technology, technical courses and other assorted courses that serve as assistants to professionals in the health field. thats whats necessary. Secondly , wake up folks. this relieance on the oil industry as the saviour for jobs aint happening. they're drilling their own oil in the US and moving to electirc vehicles. apart for some minor exports to cover shortfalss in the future NJa will drink its oil. then what. everyone will kidnap everybody else for money? Think of starting stuff for your selves . I know the next excuse is no capital. then get some damn capital.if u gotta sell shit , work as house boy whatever it takes , make it happen. My mum started out selling mops in traffic in the mid 80's now she's independently secure in her own business . No govt contracts or other useless stuff. It can be done. GET of Your LAZY ASS and MAKE IT HAPPEN. The capital required to make anything happen in the health sector is simply impossible. Except you are Dangote who got his money from ?. The Government needs to fund certain things. Nigerians should have a say in how our money is being allocated. And until they increase allocations to health from 0.1%, the best anybody can do by himself is going to be like working in the dark ages. Kinda like what is happening in the Health sector right now. So, if una get popsie/uncle or sponsor wey dey politics. Help us relay the message to them. 1 Like |
Re: Basic Medical Science In Nigeria - The Way Forward? by Emmafrancis: 7:57pm On Sep 19, 2013 |
I studied human anatomy from unical. I wasted four good years of my life studying a course that has no practical application except academical. No place for us in the hospital (except mortuary section. Which I can't or the forensic museum.) I have been force to go back for another Bsc. Maybe someday I put my bsc ana to use. but until then |
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