Reyginus: What do you call facts? Your hypermyopia to dismiss what you do not understand, that is.
Do you really want to debate?

My op has out bound links to defend the points. You are the one not being serious. State what you feel is wrong with the op or gerrout!

Logicboy03:



My op has out bound links to defend the points. You are the one not being serious. State what you feel is wrong with the op or gerrout!

It is not just stating the loopholes that bothers me.
My problem is, how with an illogical authority you will wave it aside.
Do you submit to logic alone as our working tool?

Reyginus: It is not just stating the loopholes that bothers me.
My problem is, how with an illogical authority you will wave it aside.
Do you submit to logic alone as our working tool?

No.....I use God as my reasoning.


Keep asking silly questions

Logicboy03:


Keep asking silly questions

He can't help it. It's like every other key on his keyboard is a "?".

Logicboy03:



No.....I use God as my reasoning.


Keep asking silly questions

Do we proceed then?

Alfa Seltzer:

He can't help it. It's like every other key on his keyboard is a "?".

Advocate!

Reyginus: Do we proceed then?

proceed

@op i disagree with you on 'a fertilized egg being a potential human' because, an egg is fertilized by d sperm...and sperm has 100 percent that which is required to make a human out of the ordinary egg hence, it can be said that because the sperm is from a human being (a man) it is human 100 percent even before fertilizing d egg. So aborting a baby is actually killing. And another thing is dt even if a foetus is a potential human being, won't it be unkind to deny a potential human being d opportunity to be a human being?
Instead of legalizing abortion, i think we should stress d importance of d use of condom. Abstinence won't prevent unwanted pregnancy because s.ex is a natural necessity and abstinence is not easy.

Reyginus: Advocate!

na me, na me.

ATMC: @op i disagree with you on 'a fertilized egg being a potential human' because, an egg is fertilized by d sperm...and sperm has 100 percent that which is required to make a human out of the ordinary egg hence, it can be said that because the sperm is from a human being (a man) it is human 100 percent even before fertilizing d egg. So aborting a baby is actually killing. And another thing is dt even if a foetus is a potential human being, won't it be unkind to deny a potential human being d opportunity to be a human being?
Instead of legalizing abortion, i think we should stress d importance of d use of condom. Abstinence won't prevent unwanted pregnancy because s.ex is a natural necessity and abstinence is not easy.

So every sper.m one wastes is killing a human? Nonsense.


You have two rights. The rights of the mother and the right of the child (who is still in the womb and still a potential human). If the mother will die at childbirth, we put the rights of the mother first. Think about hat

Yes the use of condom should be advocated. That will reduce pregnancy and hence the overall abortion numbers.

But condoms are not 100% effevctive.

Let me for once make a sensible contribution to this topic...

Logicboy03: A week ago, I saw this written in a catholic church bulletin;

-Dont commit abortion

I think this is a grey area. For me I think abortion should be made legal BUT with some statutory conditions attached. I work as a medical practitioner here in Nigeria and it is quite worrisome the rate of unplanned pregnancies that we come across on daily basis, from teenage girls, mature ladies and even married women. Abortion right now is illegal(?) in Nigeria but it is an open secret that most doctors perform it routinely especially the ones in relatively small establishments and it is quite dangerous because they do not observe proper sanitary conditions and their methods are usually cruel and excruciating. I think if the government legalises it, the present situation we find ourselves in will change because at the very least people will know not to patronise quacks in the middle of the night and save themselves from unnecessary danger. My recommendations:
1) It should be legalised
2) Only well equipped and standard hospitals should be given the license to practice it.
3) The woman in question must have the consent of her husband if married, or her spouse if unmarried. In the case of unavailability of either due to r.ape or backyard boyfriend , the age of the woman must be put into consideration to assess her maturity and ability to handle the situation.
3a) in the case of an under aged woman, the woman must have the consent of her parents or guardian.(No backyard abortions allowed)
3b) in a mature independent woman, other options should be advised, eg motherless homes, adoption etc.
4) In cases of emergency, eg ectopic pregnancy with bleeding, the consent of the mother must be had before proceeding. If she's unable to, then the situation should be assessed according to a risk/benefit ratio with the life of the mother of paramount importance.
5) Sex Education is important, very very important. This cannot be overemphasized. Countless times have I encountered underage girls who didn't think that sex for the first time can get you pregnant. Sad but true.
In summary, no woman should be forced to birth a baby she's unable or unwilling to cater for.

-Dont use contraceptives and condoms

Nonsense! Not worth a response.

-Dont engage in premarital s.ex

according to the holy book. But sadly that's a silly expectation in this day and age. Sex Education is key. In fact why should two mature consenting adults not have sex? Can anybody give me a reasonable answer

-The child in the womb is a human being from the moment of conception

I don't think so. But the question is, when does a fertilised egg start being a human? Is it at the point where he/she can at least live outside the body of its mum? Say with the help of incubators and all sorts? I'll go with logicboy here and say at the moment of conception, it is a potential human. I'm open to debate on this...

-Abortion takes a life, therefore it is murder

this is a fallacy. Not all taking of lives are termed murder. All this churches and their propaganda sef. Smh!

I don't understand why Catholics want to legislate Judeo - Christian morality! Laws must have a good degree of practicality. It wld be absurd to legislate for abstinence, to criminalise the use of contraceptives, to criminalise abortion!

Kay 17: I don't understand why Catholics want to legislate Judeo - Christian morality! Laws must have a good degree of practicality. It wld be absurd to legislate for abstinence, to criminalise the use of contraceptives, to criminalise abortion!

as in eh! And then they wonder why people see them as hypocrites! Smdh.

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I dnt blame u, cos if ur mother had aborted u, u will not be talking this thrash.

Ukuts gp: I dnt blame u, cos if ur mother had aborted u, u will not be talking this thrash.

What an immature and silly thing to say.

Logicboy03:



What an immature and silly thing to say.

really?