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Ivorian Forces Speciale, Shield Africa 2017

The Ivorian kit is so beautiful. The Ivorian kit looks so dope. I'm so impressed.

Henry240:


Impressive from Ivory Coast.

considering the size of our economy,this something you seriously need to consider hosting

Chikl, could you post photos of Algerian commandos fully kitted out.

africaken254:
considering the size of our economy,this something seriously need to consider hosting

In Nigeria, we hosted a similar type exhibition in 2016. It wasn't publicized, but I managed to get photos which I shared in this thread 2 days ago. The French also exhibited their Titus in Abuja during the show, as well as multiple Nigerian, South African, European and maybe Asian companies, although I've not seen any photos to show that suggest Asians participated.


We also hosted Nigerian Air Force Air Expo twice before this Boko-Haram nonsense and the 2014 show was subsequently cancelled.

africaken254:
considering the size of our economy,this something seriously need to consider hosting

As well as the 2 shows I mentioned, we also host 3 more. Armoured vehicles West Africa, OPV Africa and the Nigerian Security and Defence Expo.

kenya army WZ-551 APC's

To the South Africans, who is Terry Crawford-Browne , he is making alot of sense in the comments section of a Defenceweb topic highlighting the poor sales of SA defence equipment.

GreenandGold:


It would take incredible discipline to read the posts around and not make a comment especially during disputes. He's using one big chill pill I guess.

What particular topic did you see his post? I don't see his comment in the link you shared.

Henry240:
To the South Africans, who is Terry Crawford-Browne , he is making alot of sense in the comments section of a Defenceweb topic highlighting the poor sales of SA defence equipment.

Terry C-B is a ideologue, his brain is wired the same way as a religious fundamentalist. He is irrational and unreasonable.

He is a pacifist and (worst of all) a LEFTIST that believes that South Africa should disband the SANDF completely and exist like the collection of failed states in South America that do not have militaries (Haiti, Guatemala etc)

He is the guy behind the Arms deal enquiry and the various attempts to uncover corruption. While I respect and applaud his efforts, his inability to leave the issue alone after the Constitutional Court (very politely) told him to Fvck off illistrates my first point - he is irrational, a fanatic.

His assessment as to our Military Industrial Complex is ridiculously biased and based on ideology as apposed to fact.

Mattys Jacobs has provided a more balanced and reasonable explanation that revolves around market forces and structural problems within our militiary-industrial complex.

Basically,

- we dont have any banks that will finance our sales to other countries hence we can only sell big orders to people who "buy cash", which is a tiny market.
- This problem is magnified by an underfunded SANDF who do not give out the consistent orders on top-shelf Denel products, which means that Denel cant establish Economies of Scale to bring down unit costs and expand our market
- nor can it fund the R& it needs to maintain a large portfolio of products at competitive prices
- meaning that Denel has to increasingly specialise in "mid-shelf" products
- which means that they now compete in a very small and highly competitive market
- which further hurts profits.

But lets be honest here, South Africa remains a Top 20 arms exporter and Denel is still in the top 100 biggest defense firms in the world, I would hardly call sales "poor".

Its just that we arent reaching full potential.

chkil:


it's not the same situation

also the situation in yemen is not easy , Yemen was divided into two countries (north yemen , south yemen ), they unified only in 1990 so we can said that they try to invade an autonomous country with all its population against them .

What's the amount of troops Egypt can deploy in the Sainai?

Senegalese UN soldiers in Ivory Coast

Nigerian army

Patchesagain:


Terry C-B is a ideologue, his brain is wired the same way as a religious fundamentalist. He is irrational and unreasonable.

He is a pacifist and (worst of all) a LEFTIST that believes that South Africa should disband the SANDF completely and exist like the collection of failed states in South America that do not have militaries (Haiti, Guatemala etc)

He is the guy behind the Arms deal enquiry and the various attempts to uncover corruption. While I respect and applaud his efforts, his inability to leave the issue alone after the Constitutional Court (very politely) told him to Fvck off illistrates my first point - he is irrational, a fanatic.

His assessment as to our Military Industrial Complex is ridiculously biased and based on ideology as apposed to fact.

Mattys Jacobs has provided a more balanced and reasonable explanation that revolves around market forces and structural problems within our militiary-industrial complex.

Basically,

- we dont have any banks that will finance our sales to other countries hence we can only sell big orders to people who "buy cash", which is a tiny market.
- This problem is magnified by an underfunded SANDF who do not give out the consistent orders on top-shelf Denel products, which means that Denel cant establish Economies of Scale to bring down unit costs and expand our market
- nor can it fund the R& it needs to maintain a large portfolio of products at competitive prices
- meaning that Denel has to increasingly specialise in "mid-shelf" products
- which means that they now compete in a very small and highly competitive market
- which further hurts profits.

But lets be honest here, South Africa remains a Top 20 arms exporter and Denel is still in the top 100 biggest defense firms in the world, I would hardly call sales "poor".

Its just that we arent reaching full potential.

wow. You must hate the guy.

jakeporeshenko:
Senegalese UN soldiers in Ivory Coast

this guys are very good example of a standardised Army. And thanks to their peaceful power show in Gambia they will enjoy a lot of UN peace keeping role in the future. I am very much impressed. During the Librarian Debacle the Librarians begged and pleaded for the Senegalese troops to stay back when they wanted to pull out due to the presidential election in Senegal.Most of the Military commentators then, described them as "very professional" they didn't partake in the widespread looting that was going on as at that time even among ECOMOG Troops.
Read more at: https://www.hrw.org/reports/1993/liberia/
Specifically paragraph 13

overhypedsteve:
wow. You must hate the guy.

I am a pragmatist. I have no political beliefs, I subscribe to no ideologies. I only care about what works and what doesn't, usually history and common sense provide all the answers.

Thus people like Terry make me sick to my core. They place belief over reality and will bend reality to suit their belief.

Patchesagain:


Terry C-B is a ideologue, his brain is wired the same way as a religious fundamentalist. He is irrational and unreasonable.

He is a pacifist and (worst of all) a LEFTIST that believes that South Africa should disband the SANDF completely and exist like the collection of failed states in South America that do not have militaries (Haiti, Guatemala etc)

He is the guy behind the Arms deal enquiry and the various attempts to uncover corruption. While I respect and applaud his efforts, his inability to leave the issue alone after the Constitutional Court (very politely) told him to Fvck off illistrates my first point - he is irrational, a fanatic.

In as much as he is a pacifist, the comments he put out in his post aren't emotions. He laid down clear facts. Denel was a loss making company for periods of time until they got a bailout from the South-African government.

If AMSCOR could go into bankruptcy in the 80s when the Apartheid government was spending almost 5% of GDP on Defence, and so doing subsidizing the SA defence industry, it surely means things aren't going to look great now that funds are scarce.

There is also the issue of corruption in the SA defence industry.

Patchesagain:

His assessment as to our Military Industrial Complex is ridiculously biased and based on ideology as apposed to fact.

Are these no facts, Denel running into bankruptcy, corruption in the SA defence industry, Amscor bankruptcy and the Cameron commission of inquiry?

Are you saying all these things are made up?

Patchesagain:

Mattys Jacobs has provided a more balanced and reasonable explanation that revolves around market forces and structural problems within our militiary-industrial complex.

Basically,

- we dont have any banks that will finance our sales to other countries hence we can only sell big orders to people who "buy cash", which is a tiny market.
- This problem is magnified by an underfunded SANDF who do not give out the consistent orders on top-shelf Denel products, which means that Denel cant establish Economies of Scale to bring down unit costs and expand our market
- nor can it fund the R& it needs to maintain a large portfolio of products at competitive prices
- meaning that Denel has to increasingly specialise in "mid-shelf" products
- which means that they now compete in a very small and highly competitive market
- which further hurts profits.

You have listed some of the issues. South-Africa cannot compete on big ticket items. It's simply not possible. Countries like China have proven to be bullish in the entire defence market, offering state of the art defence systems, which are cost effective. you also have to deal with the other big partners Russia, USA and Europe (where most of the components used in building SA defence equipment come from). There's also Israel, increasingly Indonesia, Brazil, Turkey.

What RSA should have done is simply own low level market, and compete for items in the mid-level market. Even here RSA is failing to China, UAE, Israel and Turkey. Even countries like Pakistan, Sudan, Ethiopia and Nigeria are now beginning to bite off from the low level market.

Patchesagain:

But lets be honest here, South Africa remains a Top 20 arms exporter and Denel is still in the top 100 biggest defense firms in the world, I would hardly call sales "poor".

Its just that we arent reaching full potential.

Dude, let's us not throw emotions around. The SA defence industry dates back to World War II, Africaken254 shared a video supporting this. So, 20th position when countries that have a defence industry is so small. 20th position is not great.

RSA is only ahead of Azerbaijian and Kazhkstan that's nothing to be proud of.

The MRAP market which you used to control is out of your hands, The US, Europe, Turkey, China, Russia and Australia are now producing better MRAP vehicles. Look at Kenya, a country that used to buy South-African MRAPs, suddenly has moved over to Chinese MRAPs. You can't tell me no bank in RSA can fund 25 vehicles, that's not possible.

Turkey is selling MRAP vehicles to Africans, even Streit from Canada is selling MRAP vehicles to African countries.


One would think that with the draw down in Iraq, RSA companies would begin to look at LAVs, however in this area, you are horrendously failing, Israeli companies have taken over. I mean, look at the Senegalese deployment in Gambia, all the LAVs used are from Israel. The Israelis are selling to Chad, Cameroun, Ethiopia, Zambia, Uganda. The Chinese, Turks and UAE are selling, where are SA companies, simply no where to be found.

In the Drones/UAV market, the Israelis and Chinese, increasingly the UAE have taken over. This bus has left, where is RSA?

The Paramount airplane, Mwari is coming into a market that is looking increasingly tight.

Also, we need to watch out for India, if India comes in, then it would be obvious that the problems of the RSA industry would only grow worse.

Denel is a big company, it deserves it's 100th place, but let's not forget that for so many years it was making losses and had to be bailed out by the government.

Senegalese soldiers

Can we say maybe the Ivory Coast is getting excess defence support from others, i.e France?

Though we can largely highlight probably their army's organisation culture too that they are able to instill professionalism from the highest cadre down to the lowest.
Relative to equipment, we are considerably larger in number by a scale of 10 and apart from maybe corruption, it explains why they look relatively well kitted.

Henry240:
Chikl, could you post photos of Algerian commandos fully kitted out.

their is many SF , commandos units army , navy , gendarmary , police , intelligence agency have all SF units ,

for army they do not show the elite units , their is videos about new recruit promotion outing SF academy doing kuk sool martial art or with only basic AK , you will find easly videos about police gendarms SF units , but for true units that hunt terrorist or called in hostage taking fully kitted , you will not find pics .

here is the only video i know from an army commandos unit and it's not the elite one .


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7P-seKXQZGk

rka2:


Apparently, the report speculates it may have been ordered under Amaechi's term in office.

you were correct by bro.

but why did the custom official lie.

https://www.nairaland.com/3598278/armoured-helicopters-governor-wike-reveals

Henry240:


In as much as he is a pacifist, the comments he put out in his post aren't emotions. He laid down clear facts. Denel was a loss making company for periods of time until they got a bailout from the South-African government.

If AMSCOR could go into bankruptcy in the 80s when the Apartheid government was spending almost 5% of GDP on Defence, and so doing subsidizing the SA defence industry, it surely means things aren't going to look great now that funds are scarce.

ARMSCOR did not go "bankrupt" in the 1980's.

Denel went "bankrupt" in the 1990's after it was split from ARMSCOR due to a number of reasons.

Namely, because they invested billions of Rands into projects that the SANDF then cancelled - examples of these projects: Indigenous fighter jet, Indigenous Frigate, Indigenous Submarine, Indigenous ASM.

If you come from a buisness background, I dont think I need to explain why these projects caused liquidity issues within the company in the 1990's.

Bending reality to suit beleifs

Henry240:

There is also the issue of corruption in the SA defence industry.
Are these no facts, Denel running into bankruptcy, corruption in the SA defence industry, Amscor bankruptcy and the Cameron commission of inquiry?

Are you saying all these things are made up?

Yes they are made up.

Henry240:

You have listed some of the issues. South-Africa cannot compete on big ticket items. It's simply not possible. Countries like China have proven to be bullish in the entire defence market, offering state of the art defence systems, which are cost effective. you also have to deal with the other big partners Russia, USA and Europe (where most of the components used in building SA defence equipment come from). There's also Israel, increasingly Indonesia, Brazil, Turkey.

What RSA should have done is simply own low level market, and compete for items in the mid-level market. Even here RSA is failing to China, UAE, Israel and Turkey. Even countries like Pakistan, Sudan, Ethiopia and Nigeria are now beginning to bite off from the low level market.

Few South African components are imported from abroad.

Your opinion on what we "should have" done is irrelevant.

Also, we can and do compete - or did you miss the 300 ingwe missiles sold to Iraq? 700 Ingwe to Algeria?

Henry240:

Dude, let's us not throw emotions around. The SA defence industry dates back to World War II, Africaken254 shared a video supporting this. So, 20th position when countries that have a defence industry is so small. 20th position is not great.

RSA is only ahead of Azerbaijian and Kazhkstan that's nothing to be proud of.

The MRAP market which you used to control is out of your hands, The US, Europe, Turkey, China, Russia and Australia are now producing better MRAP vehicles. Look at Kenya, a country that used to buy South-African MRAPs, suddenly has moved over to Chinese MRAPs. You can't tell me no bank in RSA can fund 25 vehicles, that's not possible.

Turkey is selling MRAP vehicles to Africans, even Streit from Canada is selling MRAP vehicles to African countries.


One would think that with the draw down in Iraq, RSA companies would begin to look at LAVs, however in this area, you are horrendously failing, Israeli companies have taken over. I mean, look at the Senegalese deployment in Gambia, all the LAVs used are from Israel. The Israelis are selling to Chad, Cameroun, Ethiopia, Zambia, Uganda. The Chinese, Turks and UAE are selling, where are SA companies, simply no where to be found.

In the Drones/UAV market, the Israelis and Chinese, increasingly the UAE have taken over. This bus has left, where is RSA?

The Paramount airplane, Mwari is coming into a market that is looking increasingly tight.

Also, we need to watch out for India, if India comes in, then it would be obvious that the problems of the RSA industry would only grow worse.

Denel is a big company, it deserves it's 100th place, but let's not forget that for so many years it was making losses and had to be bailed out by the government.

So apart from saying exactly what I said, what are you talking about?

Denel is making a profit, we average sales of 300+ armored vehicles per year, hundreds of missiles to multiple sources, artillery systems to multiple sources as well as optics, comms etc and sales are stable. Saying that stuff about Azerbajan and Kazhkstan only demonstrates your lack of knowledge about their domestic capabilities.

Face it, you like what he says because he is highly critical of RSA and that makes the chip on your shoulder happy

Henry240:


RSA is only ahead of Azerbaijian and Kazhkstan that's nothing to be proud of.
.

There are 196 countries in the world.

That means we are "only ahead" of 174 countries.

Not just Azerbaijan and Kazakistan

You have demonstrated a prime example of: Bending reality to suit your beliefs.

Patchesagain:



Face it, you like what he says because he is highly critical of RSA and that makes the chip on your shoulder happy

It's okay to disagree, but we would have to leave this discussion at that since you've started throwing accusations again.

Things are getting hot in the Sinai
https://www.funker530.com/islamic-state-egypt/

Patchesagain:
Things are getting hot in the Sinai
https://www.funker530.com/islamic-state-egypt/

Where do these terrorists get ATGMs from? How is it so easy for them?

Nigeria's Counter-insurgency

Patchesagain:
Things are getting hot in the Sinai
https://www.funker530.com/islamic-state-egypt/

as before, egyptian army will ask the permit of israel to let them launch a massive operation in sinai , and send in sinai tanks , f16, apach ... , kill hundreds terrorists arrest hundreds others then return to its position and let in sinai only military levels set in the Camp David Accords and demilitarized area .

Nigerian navy special forces along with Gambian ceremonial troops and Senegalese personnel await Gambia's new President.

chkil:


as before, egyptian army will ask the permit of israel to let them launch a massive operation in sinai , and send in sinai tanks , f16, apach ... , kill hundreds terrorists arrest hundreds others then return to its position and let in sinai only military levels set in the Camp David Accords and demilitarized area .

Makes sense though.

Isreal would get nervous if Egypt deployed large forces to the Sinai.

Henry240:



Where do these terrorists get ATGMs from? How is it so easy for them?

Saudi/Gulf States ->Syria->Libya/Sinai

Patchesagain:


Makes sense though.

Isreal would get nervous if Egypt deployed large forces to the Sinai.

yes ,the Egyptian-Israeli peace treaty of 1979, states that Sinai Peninsula is to remain demilitarized , and egyptian army can not send tanks , air force , only small units and police for citizen security , that's why terrorist can move in the area .


some egyptian apache air strike in the last operation launched in sinai .


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HjTXUzv700