Mr Troll: Sheeple.

Bidam: ;DYours is goatle.

419nigga: . Yeah a lot of ppl contributed to their schools nd nt everybody attents but do yu knw that the church runs a scholarship program for almost every of its members , every redeem parish, did yu knw? I knw the traffic is horrible yeah, its bad but I'm nt saying its good either...but I'm after those ppl that says the 3km auditorium is for the pastor...its in the best intrest of US the members...if yu don't understand ask for more explanation from a redeemer who was at the camp last week what the population was like....they've got one of the best welfare
packages in the country...so only we that's in the system understands and are willing to support his project, don't conclude and judge what yu knw little or nothiNg about...

My 2shillings

DrummaBoy:

Like I said, we are talking about spirit here... motivating factor for an action... having the very heart of the Master for issues.

Check the whole of the NT, how many building did Jesus and his apostles build? Building was found mostly in d OT. What does that tell us: the same old covenant mentality that makes these people seek blessings; pay tithe; ordain priesthood; etc is what is leading to all the buildings.

NT doctrine: Christ builds lives. You cannot be pre occupied with doing his will and @ d same time be building bricks!

Be discerning my friend... we are dealing with spirit here (coded).

Goshen360:

I knew statement like this will come but do you know why Jesus said the poor you will have with you always? Next time, when you see white, don't call it black.

419nigga: . Yeah a lot of ppl contributed to their schools nd nt everybody attents but do yu knw that the church runs a scholarship program for almost every of its members , every redeem parish, did yu knw? I knw the traffic is horrible yeah, its bad but I'm nt saying its good either...but I'm after those ppl that says the 3km auditorium is for the pastor...its in the best intrest of US the members...if yu don't understand ask for more explanation from a redeemer who was at the camp last week what the population was like....they've got one of the best welfare packages in the country...so only we that's in the system understands and are willing to support his project, don't conclude and judge what yu knw little or nothiNg about...

My 2shillings

DrummaBoy: Don't get me wrong: I am not against building. It is important to protect people from the elements but for RCCG there no is justification for this.

After years of ministering, is it not time for these people to go and minister to others too? Has a monthly programme now turned into Sunday Sunday diaphrim?

Someone wrote this excellent article on the fact that there are many more needs both in the church and in the world that Christians can commit their resources to - so as to demonstrate a better witness of
Jesus to the world.

But what we see in d RCCG example is a lack of godly vision.

An American missionary told me that on his mission work to Taraba state d people their said 'You can do missions bc Americans have money'; He told them 'it is not for lack of money Nigerians dont support mission, but lack of vision'.

How many missionaries are languishing for lack of financial support? Why not raise a billion naira for missions to Muslim in d sahel regions of Africa?

Goshen360:
I knew statement like this will come but do you know why Jesus said the poor you will have with you always? Next time, when you see white, don't call it black.

superior1:

Those are your opinions and you are entitled to it. The project is wrong because there are many hungry people in the land?. There will always be the poor in the land and while i support churches in sharing their burden, i don't see it as a reason for not contributing to church projects and expansion.

debosky:

Who has set this requirement as a pre-requisite before embarking on such a project? Did God say do not build meeting places before ensuring there is not one 'needy' person in the congregation or is this your opinion?



I disagree - this is a facility intended to provide a suitable meeting place for RCCG members when they come together. That is a valid use of RCCG resources for the benefit of RCCG members.



I agree only with the bold text - let the Lord guide us all, not edicts/opinions of men like the one you’ve given above.



Brother, do not give the impression that the choice is between building facilities for brethren to meet together or following Jesus. Both are compatible.



Good admonition - however, contributing to this building is not equal to abdicating responsibility for one’s salvation to Adeboye/RCCG. Don’t conflate issues simply due to your opposition to this specific project.

Thanks.

419nigga: . Thank you o...pls xplain it to them... I see it as BEEF towards the church...this is a simple issue; like I said ''if ur 1room apartment can no longer contain your family won't yu plan to move to a bigger appartment''. I don't understand the way most people think here

Chibuebem: I understand, but sir, does the fact that he wants a bigger auditorium mean to accomodate his members mean that he isn't building people's lives?

DrummaBoy: @Eben 2

Let me tell U a story: One day Jesus was walking with some of his disciples. He was criticized or maligned by some people and his disciples said 'let us call tunder on these people' Jesus said 'U know not what spirit U are made of'

The point is: what spirit is driving the need for a 3 km long church? What is the motive? Why does Lagos-Ibadan express way have to turn into a Mecca of some sort before people like U can 'be blessed'? If the whole lot of U guys spread out into the world through that week of programme U had and witnessed to a person each, Heaven will win more souls. Why do people have to behold one man to know they have met God in a program? If Adeboye dies today, what happens to the crowd; what happens to the auditorium? Again, what spirit is driving U to build and build and build... I can say it authoritatively: it is not the Spirit of Christ bc he did not build a shed in his lifetime.

RCCG should find kingdom priorities and stick to them!

Eben 2:

My dear friend, you don't know me so don't assume anything about me. I do not turn RCCG camp ground or any place at all into a place I must go to "be blessed". I went to have a special time with the Lord and not Adeboye (to me, Adeboye is a brother in Christ). That was my first time of attending RCCG convention even though i've been a member of the church for a long time. I must tell you I am very happy I went cos I was really blessed with the Word! The messages were Jesus centered. I will not forget any of those messages in a hurry. Listening to Rev. Joe Olaiya message of "Jesus - the Good Shepherd", I learnt sooo much.

Now, you said Jesus never built an auditorium. Yes, He didn't (though He taught in synagogues) because He didn't have to. His work was not to start a church but to die for our sins. The building of the body of Christ (the church spiritual) was/is the work of the Holy Spirit not Jesus'. The souls worn by the apostles had to meet somewhere for fellowship, teachings and prayers. Where else will they do that if not a building? The Bishops and Deacons that were appointed by the disciples, where were they taking care of their members from shades of trees or what? Yes, they had house fellowship centres but they also had church buildings. Heb 10:25 says we should not forsake the assembling of ourselves together as the manner of some is.

I already told you that the convenience of the large population of attendees informed the need to build a new auditorium. Notwithstanding, it seems your real contention is the number of people that go there for fellowship. That should not be a problem to you as a christian, rather you should be happy that many are desiring to know more of God.

You said that all members should have gone all out to preach for that period. First you cannot say that such exercise would be more productive than gathering hundreds of thousands of people at a place for worship. Second, christians are not meant to preach once in a while but always which I believe genuine born-again christians do everyday. Thirdly, there is nothing more refreshing than worshipping God with such crowd of believers; it gives you a glimpse of what heaven is like "after this I beheld and lo a great multitude which no man could number of all nations and kindred and people and tongues stood before the throne and before the Lamb clothed in white robes and palms in their hands and cried with a loud voice saying Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne and unto the Lamb"Rev 7:9,10.

Eben 2:

Now, you said Jesus never built an auditorium. Yes, He didn't (though He taught in synagogues) because He didn't have to. His work was not to start a church but to die for our sins. The building of the body of Christ (the church spiritual) was/is the work of the Holy Spirit not Jesus'. The souls worn by the apostles had to meet somewhere for fellowship, teachings and prayers. Where else will they do that if not a building? The Bishops and Deacons that were appointed by the disciples, where were they taking care of their members from shades of trees or what? Yes, they had house fellowship centres but they also had church buildings. Heb 10:25 says we should not forsake the assembling of ourselves together as the manner of some is.

I already told you that the convenience of the large population of attendees informed the need to build a new auditorium. Notwithstanding, it seems your real contention is the number of people that go there for fellowship. That should not be a problem to you as a christian, rather you should be happy that many are desiring to know more of God.

You said that all members should have gone all out to preach for that period. First you cannot say that such exercise would be more productive than gathering hundreds of thousands of people at a place for worship. Second, christians are not meant to preach once in a while but always which I believe genuine born-again christians do everyday. Thirdly, there is nothing more refreshing than worshipping God with such crowd of believers; it gives you a glimpse of what heaven is like "after this I beheld and lo a great multitude which no man could number of all nations and kindred and people and tongues stood before the throne and before the Lamb clothed in white robes and palms in their hands and cried with a loud voice saying Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne and unto the Lamb"Rev 7:9,10.

shdemidemi:


You don't seem to understand the conundrum parading the super colossal structures men put together in our contemporary churches.

1) Bills- they need funds from the people to maintain these sort of elaborate structures

2) Doctrine - they would need to persuade/compel people to give stringently against the free will giving encouraged by the faith.

3) Purpose- the actual purpose of the gathering according to the gospel cannot be achieved because these men need the people to stay within the confines of their authority for the sole purpose of maintaining their edifice.

4) equivocation- A lot of truth would be concealed to keep people around for as long as they can against what the scripture actually says.


Now, evangelists, pastors and teachers are specially gifted men that God is going to provide for the Christian community. We need these people for one purpose

Ephesians 4:12

"For the perfecting of the saints, (notice Paul said to perfect the saints, not the lost. and what’s the purpose again?) for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:"

So much Church activity is supposedly directed to lost people. Oh we’ve got to save the lost, most Churches will say, and I’m also concerned about the lost but the vision of the church should be the spiritual growth of saints. Every ordinary believer should be in the position to open the Scriptures to lost people.

Some might say we do evangelise in our church, I say there’s no use trying to go out and witness to people if you don’t know what you’re witnessing about. You have to know the subject, and you need to be able to show the lost the correct Scripture so they can see with their own eyes. If you ask an auto mechanic, or some other person in a specialized field about their profession, they show how professional they are real quick with their knowledge of the subject. But if you asked them something that’s out of their field, they would clam up, because they don’t know. Well it’s almost that ridiculous when we try to send people out to witness to the lost, when they know nothing about the Word of God or they themselves are victims of charlatans who see godliness as a means of gain.

The ordinary believer must come to realise he is also on a mission to win some just as the teacher.

II Corinthians 5:20a

"Now then we (as ordinary everyday believers) are ambassadors for Christ,..."

I am with Drummaboy on this, we should be building men not bricks.

christemmbassey: y es d purpose of ministers in d church is to "equip the saints, for the work of the ministry" and not to pursue guiness book of record of building d bigest auditorium in d world, so am also with u n drommaboy. For d ppl who claim God has bless them so much n odas r poor n frustrated thats y they oppose this waste, with all una wealth, y is naija still rank as one of d poorest nations? Every day China is sendimg new products into d market, GEJ a nigerian president, a christian leading d most religionised ppl on earth went to China cap in iand to beg, my prayer is that God should help Adeboye to reorder his priorities, ppl blame us when we express frustrations at d ungodlly manner these 'great' 'WOG' po about their work, imagine Adeboye, kumuyi, chris, oyedepo, tb joshua, etc tell dier congregations pick just one needy child, and train in school and in d word of God, just imagine d results, they will not build auditorium, bc no auditorium will b big enough. Bless u.

shdemidemi:



But our pastors prefer the celebrity status, they would have members believe they have one on one conversation and counsel with God.

ARareGem:

Tell me, why did Jesus say the poor you will always have?

christemmbassey: y es d purpose of ministers in d church is to "equip the saints, for the work of the ministry" and not to pursue guiness book of record of building d bigest auditorium in d world, so am also with u n drommaboy. For d ppl who claim God has bless them so much n odas r poor n frustrated thats y they oppose this waste, with all una wealth, y is naija still rank as one of d poorest nations? Every day China is sendimg new products into d market, GEJ a nigerian president, a christian leading d most religionised ppl on earth went to China cap in iand to beg, my prayer is that God should help Adeboye to reorder his priorities, ppl blame us when we express frustrations at d ungodlly manner these 'great' 'WOG' po about their work, imagine Adeboye, kumuyi, chris, oyedepo, tb joshua, etc tell dier congregations pick just one needy child, and train in school and in d word of God, just imagine d results, they will not build auditorium, bc no auditorium will b big enough. Bless u.