Lovely post. Check history of medical practice. Alchemists become pharmacists, florence pioneer nursing, surgeon and physcians pathology(lab medicine). Early doctors do lab tests themselves, later, they trained lab assistants now medical techologist(usa), mls(nigeria), biome sci in uk. Doctors started lab medicine. Check more info international academy of pathology and college of america pathologists(cap). It is cap that certify lab in usa. Go and check. Google will teach us better. I am not saying health workes must not become consultants but let us copy well. In uk Rcpath regulates would become consultant biomedical scientist. They conduct exam for them Check their website. True shortages of doctors make them to be amending laws. Note in usa nursing practioners do not replace family doctors. They do not even compete. Those countries have policy that determine who becomes consultant to address doctors shortage. Do we have shortages of doctors in nigeria? No. Until we doctors shortages let status quo remain the same. Mind u in australia bsc pharmacology opens pharmacy shops independly to addres shortage of pharmacist.

sofi05: It is clearly a huge pity that these issues are such that would be discussed extensively. It is a known fact that medicine has become really diversified and the roles of the different players in the health sector rather broadened. This is a global approach: the patient is the most important factor in this equation (although really an unballanced equation in this country). Reading closely thru the discussion in this thread, it is obvious that the rights and boundaries of the several players in the health sector has been trampled upon for a protracted period! Refering to the US, it is obvious that expanded roles exists for the Nurse (we now have Nurse Practitioner)))n the Pharmacist(Dr of Pharmacy), the Clinical/Medical Laboratory Scientist(Doctor of Clinical Lab Sciences) Physiotherapy (Doctor of Physio) etc. This goes a long way to show that the field of medicine is becoming more specialised and as such requires such trained and specialised professionals for the common good, the good og the patient! Why muct the Nigerian case be any different. Consultants exist for every profession in the UK. There are Consultant Biomedicla scientists and earn as high or even higher than lots of the doctors. If Doctors have left clinical practice for lab medicine, y can't other professions also extend their scope of practice? In all health schools, we have what is called basic medical science (anatomy, physiology, biochemistry) which forms the basis of the different professions...so y then do doctors say they do everything in medical sch? Gues we all did everything! That doesn't mean because I did pharmacology as an MLS student that I am a pharmacologist or can work in a pharmacy! Even students with a BSc degree in pharmacology do not have the license to work in a hospital pharmacy! What is the fuss all about

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you are such a silly and ignoramous fellow,see,i will not because of your stupidity designate all drs as stupid and arrogant because i hve com across many of them that are very responsible,but for your type,i will advice you to go and sit down and acquaint yourself with your area of expertise(diagnosis),so that you will not become a liability to this nation when the time comes,you cannot fool everybody all the time.
Let me even ask you a question,why did you say i am missinforming the public?,did you read through it,or you read like you do your diagnosis,did i tell you that is how it is done? i am only suggesting a lasting solution to this problem that kuti has created for us. let me tell you,that suggestion i wroteis the best way,if you like go and import whatsoever you feel from any part of the world,we no send you,if the battle is not won now,tomorrow dey,and untill Drs leave everything about drugs to the pharmacist,leave nursing to nurse and untill lab scientist have the final say on lab matters,doctors of your type will never see peace,

Ignorance is a communicable dx, replying u can lead to acute onset itiboliboness

Doc do not mind them. Have u seen new template for medical school curriculum? If it is implemented nationwide then we are going to the root of medicine-laboratory.

Dnaz: I knw u watch dr house and greys anatomy and I knw u see d doctors performing laboratory medicine and running CT scans n MRI. Very soon u guys ll be relegated to primary health care where u belong

That can only be cure by cremation.

Dnaz:


Ignorance is a communicable dx, replying u can lead to acute onset itiboliboness

Yes we need them as servants. The problem is that they want to be called doctors and get the same pay as doctors. Could that be possible?

Osahon7: if u paid attention to ur medical ethics lecturers,u would hav knw dat each medical specialist are restricted only to dere speciality..dats why a consultant opthalmologist can only be alowed to treat fever if he is d only doc. Available.. Am a future member of NMA bt i strongly beleive dat witout oda professions we ar also handicaped.PLS LETS respect professionality abi because of d path and pharm dat makes u tink we can do wat a pharmacist can? I beleive dere shuld be consultant opthalmic nurse,etc,consultant clinical pharmacist.pls mind d words u use on oda proffesionals.we nid dem

You must be an hungry or fake journalist. I laugh at ur post. It defy logics and show ur shallow thinking. U cannot fight govt and win. As long as case in court, johesu has no right to go on strike. Ur analogy of governor of cbn is wrong. Mind u present world bank md is a medical doctor. Check it out. Ur complain about attitude of nigeria doctors is baseless. All health workers have attitude problem. It is nigeria problems check lord lugard comments abt nigeria. In medical practice phd is irrelevant to patient care, fellowship prog is more relevant. That is practice worldwide. Phd is just add qualification. U talk of dirty job then cleaners should get highest pay in hospital. Go and read history of hospital u would understand better. If they ve paid u write that shit pls return their money.

enny09: FG APPEAL STALLS RESOLUTION OF
HEALTH CRISIS
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Federal government has appealed to the
ruling of the National Industrial Court (NIC)
into its labour dispute with health workers who
went on indefinite nationwide strike
Wednesday midnight.
The appeal in court stopped its implementation
of agreements reached with members of Joint
Health Sector Unions last May.
Health minister Onyebuchi Chukwu is to
meet with JOHESU on Monday in hopes of a
dialogue but he appealed that striking workers
be considerate about the plight of thousands
of Nigerians denied health services on account
of their industrial action.
The minister said the agreements could not be
acted upon immediately because the appeal
was pending in court.
He said the appeal was filed on the advice of
government legal counsel and served on
JOHESU because the NIC ruling
asking government to negotiate with workers
intent on skipping a pay level and to allow
consultants appointed in error outside the
ministry to continue in their position was
“confusing.”
But JOHESU—an umbrella body of
nurses, midwives, pharmacists, technicians—
has denied knowledge of any appeal filed
and accused the health ministry of “shifting
the goal in the middle of the game.”
JOHESU president Dr Ayuba Wabba said
both parties, in a collective bargain agreement
reached before the dispute went to NIC in June
2012 at the behest of the labour ministry.
“There was an agreement and
understanding that whatever the outcome of
the NIC judgement, every party shall respect
and implement the judgment,” Wabba said.
“It wasn’t us that took the case to NIC, it was
government through the instrument of the
minister of labour. You can’t shift the post in
the middle of the game.”

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it will be stupid of me to keep explaining to stupid person like,so silent is the best answer to you...just go back and read my post again and stop displaying your ignorance here abeg

@ least I scored way higher dan u In U.M.E , had better scores dan u in W.A.S.C and have a better knowledge of healthcare dan u. If I am ignorant, den I wonder wat I shuld call u

adeola_drg: @Dnaz, Pharmacists do more pharmacology than medical doctors, so what crap are you talking about? FYI, pharmacists in developed countries(im only sure of UK) obtain prescribing rights after pharmacy school.. FYI, nurses also do pharmacology, anatomy, physiology in school, so pls tell me(be professional here) what course doctors do in skul, that members of other professions didnt do.. They av no idea about pharmacognosy, we(Rxcists) do, we also do clinical rotations and ward rounds they do.. I know something for sure, something is wrong with the mentality of Nigerian med docs and even studs.. *smh*

If it comes to pharmacology pls pharmacists don't knw more dan doctors, I dnt blame u, u culdnt even qualify to knw abt d medical curriculum. I agree we dnt knw anything abt drug production and distribution, but pharmacology oh pls! We even do post graduate courses in dat.

Osahon7: if u paid attention to ur medical ethics lecturers,u would hav knw dat each medical specialist are restricted only to dere speciality..dats why a consultant opthalmologist can only be alowed to treat fever if he is d only doc. Available.. Am a future member of NMA bt i strongly beleive dat witout oda professions we ar also handicaped.PLS LETS respect professionality abi because of d path and pharm dat makes u tink we can do wat a pharmacist can? I beleive dere shuld be consultant opthalmic nurse,etc,consultant clinical pharmacist.pls mind d words u use on oda proffesionals.we nid dem

Shut ur crap n graduate, den we can talk. Till den u r not part of d brotherhood

Dnaz:


@ least I scored way higher dan u In U.M.E , had better scores dan u in W.A.S.C and have a better knowledge of healthcare dan u. If I am ignorant, den I wonder wat I shuld call u

chai....infact you are an excess load in the health sector...an adverse effect!!!!

Laalamed: You must be an hungry or fake journalist. I laugh at ur post. It defy logics and show ur shallow thinking. U cannot fight govt and win. As long as case in court, johesu has no right to go on strike. Ur analogy of governor of cbn is wrong. Mind u present world bank md is a medical doctor. Check it out. Ur complain about attitude of nigeria doctors is baseless. All health workers have attitude problem. It is nigeria problems check lord lugard comments abt nigeria. In medical practice phd is irrelevant to patient care, fellowship prog is more relevant. That is practice worldwide. Phd is just add qualification. U talk of dirty job then cleaners should get highest pay in hospital. Go and read history of hospital u would understand better. If they ve paid u write that shit pls return their money.

Ahhh, who is this cholesterol-laden brain,who skims through peoples post,refuses to reason and come out to derail a discussion for sharp minds....you will fare well as a pirate in the sea....common sense no common sha!!!

Dnaz:

If it comes to pharmacology pls pharmacists don't knw more dan doctors, I dnt blame u, u culdnt even qualify to knw abt d medical curriculum. I agree we dnt knw anything abt drug production and distribution, but pharmacology oh pls! We even do post graduate courses in dat.

Doctors know pharmacology more than a pharmacist!!!!
whoever admitted you into medical school should return the bribe money and chase you out,it is obvious that if you are unleashed on the populace,then patients are doomed,i can infer that you would be worse than shekau with your syringe!!!

Dnaz:

Shut ur crap n graduate, den we can talk. Till den u r not part of d brotherhood

the truth is bitter,buh should it not be told?....he should shutup for being reasonable!!!

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Doctors know pharmacology more than a pharmacist!!!!
whoever admitted you into medical school should return the bribe money and chase you out,it is obvious that if you are unleashed on the populace,then patients are doomed,i can infer that you would be worse than shekau with your syringe!!!

fool, go n google pharmacology, u ll see its a branch of medicine dat is not to be confused with pharmacy a health profession

@ least u can see why I scored higher than u in Jamb. Confusing pharmacology with pharmacy. What a pity

Symphony007: Today, two of the basic sectors of nigeria. Federal health and education is on strike. No matter your political standing or bais, this should worry you and the government needs has a lot of explaining to do.

not everybody in health sector is on strike

am surprised none of us asked what r they striking for?

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the truth is bitter,buh should it not be told?....he should shutup for being reasonable!!!

I knw u are a paramedic that wants to study medicine. Well focus on getting admitted 1st, ASUU strike shuld be ur problem

hmm did medical doctors took FG to court to get recognise as consultants? is there any RESIDENCY training for other health workers in nigeria? the truth is every profession in health sector has its peculierities which MUST be respected, RESIDENCY training is peculier to medical profession. any profession in the sector should look for their peculierities and persue

adeola_drg: @Dnaz, Pharmacists do more pharmacology than medical doctors, so what crap are you talking about? FYI, pharmacists in developed countries(im only sure of UK) obtain prescribing rights after pharmacy school.. FYI, nurses also do pharmacology, anatomy, physiology in school, so pls tell me(be professional here) what course doctors do in skul, that members of other professions didnt do.. They av no idea about pharmacognosy, we(Rxcists) do, we also do clinical rotations and ward rounds they do.. I know something for sure, something is wrong with the mentality of Nigerian med docs and even studs.. *smh*

all wot u sed is total rubbish.hw wil u say u do all wot doc do in skul. Wh planet re u frm.

Mumu doctors we have here sha. Pple av medical chllenges on the medical advise thread, yet u're here saying trash.. Kmt

Dnaz: @ least u can see why I scored higher than u in Jamb. Confusing pharmacology with pharmacy. What a pity

No one is confused here. U do pharmacology in ur path/pharm year(just 1 year), we do pharmacology for 3yrs(300L,400 and 500). Pls who shud av a greater pharmacology knowledge base? Ur arrogance here with ur waec result is useless. Pls leave here!

I wonder which u.k he is talking abt, maybe d United kingdom of his hometown, cos I knw in britain pharmacists don't prescribe. Dat nurses, lab ppl do some courses in anatomy, physiology etc does not mean dey know d real thing.

@dmaz, lalaalamed..the duo have just projected a high level of ignorance.
In western world, all health professional
s attain to level of consultancy without any hindrance. This is recognition of experience and competence. Your health minister is not aware of this... What a shame...
Hospitals are headed by health administrators or any health practitional with relevant cognate experience and academic qualifications. In Nigeria.. Physicians want to in the clinic at the same time an administrator...what a misnomer.
Nigeria is 51st out of 53 africa nations according to Mo Ibrahim Foundation.....thank to the physicians leadership in our hospitals. And Mr minister who has got no shame.

joshuapharm:

No one is confused here. U do pharmacology in ur path/pharm year(just 1 year), we do pharmacology for 3yrs(300L,400 and 500). Pls who shud av a greater pharmacology knowledge base? Ur arrogance here with ur waec result is useless. Pls leave here!

We dedicaated 16 months to study d whole pharmacology and pathology, we dnt cut it into parts like u do. Somebody ll do pharmac 201, pharmac 302, pharmac 401 and now claim he knw better. Oh pls

joker5180: hmm did medical doctors took FG to court to get recognise as consultants? is there any RESIDENCY training for other health workers in nigeria? the truth is every profession in health sector has its peculierities which MUST be respected, RESIDENCY training is peculier to medical profession. any profession in the sector should look for their peculierities and persue

I advised medical doctors to ask questions on the other thread. There are surely residency training for pharmacists. I don't know bout other professions. Ranging from paediatrics, HIV/AIDS, oncology, compounding, infectious diseases. Space and time won't permit me, u can use google nd watch some youtube videos. Cheers.

bumfem: @dmaz, lalaalamed..the duo have just projected a high level of ignorance.
In western world, all health professional
s attain to level of consultancy without any hindrance. This is recognition of experience and competence. Your health minister is not aware of this... What a shame...
Hospitals are headed by health administrators or any health practitional with relevant cognate experience and academic qualifications. In Nigeria.. Physicians want to in the clinic at the same time an administrator...what a misnomer.
Nigeria is 51st out of 53 africa nations according to Mo Ibrahim Foundation.....thank to the physicians leadership in our hospitals. And Mr minister who has got no shame.

Lalaamed really disappointed me on this thread, I use to av respect for whoever he or she is. Our doctors need to av their heads re-examined. Our patients also av a fault, in that they don't know their rights.

bumfem: @dmaz, lalaalamed..the duo have just projected a high level of ignorance.
In western world, all health professional
s attain to level of consultancy without any hindrance. This is recognition of experience and competence. Your health minister is not aware of this... What a shame...
Hospitals are headed by health administrators or any health practitional with relevant cognate experience and academic qualifications. In Nigeria.. Physicians want to in the clinic at the same time an administrator...what a misnomer.
Nigeria is 51st out of 53 africa nations according to Mo Ibrahim Foundation.....thank to the physicians leadership in our hospitals. And Mr minister who has got no shame.

its either u r a damned liar or ur ignorance has reached malignant levels

Dnaz:

We dedicaated 16 months to study d whole pharmacology and pathology, we dnt cut it into parts like u do. Somebody ll do pharmac 201, pharmac 302, pharmac 401 and now claim he knw better. Oh pls

The question here is what did u do in school that gives u right to prescribe that other health professionals didn't do? Just mention, let's try to be objective now. How m I even sure I'm arguing with a med doc sef?

joshuapharm:

Lalaamed really disappointed me on this thread, I use to av respect for whoever he or she is. Our doctors need to av their heads re-examined. Our patients also av a fault, in that they don't know their rights.

Who ll examine our heads? Maybe lab technicians

@dnaz, attack the point, not the person. This strike is just gon be like the ASUU strike.

joshuapharm:

The question here is what did u do in school that gives u right to prescribe that other health professionals didn't do? Just mention, let's try to be objective now. How m I even sure I'm arguing with a med doc sef?

We read anatomy not ANA 202,301 or 322
Physiology and not PSI 201,302,etc
Biochemistry not BCH 211 etc
We also read PATHOLOGY which summarises lab science, Pharmacology not 301 222 302 401, and in addition we read Radiiology, anaesthesiology, Ophthalmology, dermatology, E.N.T, paediatrics, Obstetrics and gynaecology,internal medicine and surgery, we also read community medicine, Primary health care and family medicine. Yeah we Knw everything abt our patients