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Re: Federal Health Workers Embark On Strike by Dnaz(m): 8:44pm On Aug 23, 2013
enny09:
This is exactly the pictures of what happen in d health sector, d Doctors have no respect for other professional, they know everything instead of allowing everyone to do dia work, they want to head everywhere even what they were not trained to do, they can do everything my friend dat is quackery cos u re not licence to do dat and u can go to jail if u do it, remember u are playing with human lifes and not goats

Cut d Crap hematologists, chem pathologists,medical microbiologists, pathologists and radiologists are doctors and dey are licensed to do what d lab technicians and radiographers(camera men) do and in addition to dat diagnose and treat, about d nurses dere is no where it is said dat a doctor can't do d work of a nurse we just opted out so we can make d work less stressful 4 ourselves. Nobody is insulting any profession, its just dat u have chosen to look down on urselves and hence has been consumed with inferiority complex. The Hospital is d Doctors constituency and nobody can take dat from us. Afterall even if u get d money to build a hospital, u can't be d chief medical director, what am I even saying, u won't be licensed to practise unless u get a doctor to be ur MD
Re: Federal Health Workers Embark On Strike by DBen2: 8:47pm On Aug 23, 2013
on a good day:


let me enlighten you a bit with this scenerio A patient comes into the clinic,where the doctor,the pharmacist,the nurses and the scientist are their to see the patient,the doctor,who are expert in diagnosis,clerks the patient,comes up with the differentila diagnosis,works with(not order) the scientist to come up with the definite diagnosis,the pharmacist,(the drug expert comes in) asseses the apprpriet drug and vet them,the nurse nurses the patient to health,now if anything goes wrong,we definately know who to hold responsible.mr. dr,did u diagnose correctly,mr pharma,was the drug right for the diagnosis,nurse how did u nurse this patient,and pls mr scientist,did you do your work professionally..But when one man diagnosis,prescribe,dispense,assess and discharge,how can one expect a clean job.
Secondly,if a doctor can become a consultant in paeditrics,why can't a pharmacist become a consultant in paediatric drugs,my brother,you must understand that consultation is quite different from clerking a patient, all we are saying is about professionalism in line with expertise.
Please,doctors don't hate others for beginning to understand their rights,and importance.
my broda doctors make diagnosis by hx taken and examination of patient .no doctor depends on lab result for treatment ,innfact if u start treating patients based on lab result sorry is ur name .the same u talking will like to be seen by a doctor first before oda things , do doctors do shift ? u hardly c all a nurse staying extra one minute even if the pat is about to pack infact am totally tired of this country u can go an study med. many schools r offering med. u r an unforrtunate doctor mind u no money in medicine but we r not complaining the satisfaction of our pat. is ok for use .tanx
Re: Federal Health Workers Embark On Strike by Dnaz(m): 9:04pm On Aug 23, 2013
on a good day:


let me enlighten you a bit with this scenerio A patient comes into the clinic,where the doctor,the pharmacist,the nurses and the scientist are their to see the patient,the doctor,who are expert in diagnosis,clerks the patient,comes up with the differentila diagnosis,works with(not order) the scientist to come up with the definite diagnosis,the pharmacist,(the drug expert comes in) asseses the apprpriet drug and vet them,the nurse nurses the patient to health,now if anything goes wrong,we definately know who to hold responsible.mr. dr,did u diagnose correctly,mr pharma,was the drug right for the diagnosis,nurse how did u nurse this patient,and pls mr scientist,did you do your work professionally..But when one man diagnosis,prescribe,dispense,assess and discharge,how can one expect a clean job.
Secondly,if a doctor can become a consultant in paeditrics,why can't a pharmacist become a consultant in paediatric drugs,my brother,you must understand that consultation is quite different from clerking a patient, all we are saying is about professionalism in line with expertise.
Please,doctors don't hate others for beginning to understand their rights,and importance.


U see ur problem . Where in d world is medicine run like dat. Wat crap did u just vommit, how can a lab technician knw wich tests to run. Pls its not everybody dat goes to d hospital dat has malaria, I am amazed @ d level of reasoning of dis ppl, I am now more dan sure dey dnt knw wat dey r doing and if given d chance ll ruin healthcare delivery. Where in d world is a pharmacists allowed to prescribe drugs 4 a patient(FYI dat is is d jurisdiction of a doctor) we studied pharmacology 4 God's sake and we knw d right drugs 4 our patients. A Lab scientist does not even knw what complicated malaria is? He only see malaria parasites in blood film, he is not trained to make diagnosis but to carry out tests. I am lost for words. This is horrible coming from u, Please Go back to school and read something else. Chineke!!! Is dis Guy 4 real
Re: Federal Health Workers Embark On Strike by enny09: 9:11pm On Aug 23, 2013
Dnaz:

Cut d Crap hematologists, chem pathologists,medical microbiologists, pathologists and radiologists are doctors and dey are licensed to do what d lab technicians and radiographers(camera men) do and in addition to dat diagnose and treat, about d nurses dere is no where it is said dat a doctor can't do d work of a nurse we just opted out so we can make d work less stressful 4 ourselves. Nobody is insulting any profession, its just dat u have chosen to look down on urselves and hence has been consumed with inferiority complex. The Hospital is d Doctors constituency and nobody can take dat from us. Afterall even if u get d money to build a hospital, u can't be d chief medical director, what am I even saying, u won't be licensed to practise unless u get a doctor to be ur MD
Must i keep explaining things to you, the hematologists, chem pathologists,medical microbiologists, pathologists are not medical laboratory scientist but pathologist doctors, by the law in Federal republic of nigeria 2003 Act No. 11, the only body recognized by law to oversee the practice of medical laboratoy in nigeria is medical laboratory science council of nigeria (MLSCN), so anyone not registered by this body working in a medical laboratory is only performing quackery, doctors a word is enough for d wise i hope some of u will not land in jail, if u are still confused u can speak with ur lawyer.
Re: Federal Health Workers Embark On Strike by Dnaz(m): 9:13pm On Aug 23, 2013
Added to it, in a country like nigeria where it ll take 3 dys to a week before tests results cme back, u find dat d doctor has to depend on his clinical skills to make diagnosis and commence empirical trt based on d epidemiology by d time d results cme bak d patient is already healed and d result ll on serve to confirm our diagnosis. I can't see a child with fever and neck stiffness and den wait 4 CSF analysis result to show before I commence trt. Most of d things we do in this country we do from our clinical skills cos lab results take ages to cme out
Re: Federal Health Workers Embark On Strike by Dnaz(m): 9:17pm On Aug 23, 2013
enny09:
Must i keep explaining things to you, the hematologists, chem pathologists,medical microbiologists, pathologists are not medical laboratory scientist but pathologist doctors, by the law in Federal republic of nigeria 2003 Act No. 11, the only body recognized by law to oversee the practice of medical laboratoy in nigeria is medical laboratory science council of nigeria (MLSCN), so anyone not registered by this body working in a medical laboratory is only performing quackery, doctors a word is enough for d wise i hope some of u will not land in jail, if u are still confused u can speak with ur lawyer.


Crap u dnt knw shit, Go to court and sue dem den u ll tell ♏E why a hematologist who had 6yrs of postgraduate training is not certified to carry out an investigation. How can we move forward in this country with retarded minds pulling us back
Re: Federal Health Workers Embark On Strike by Dnaz(m): 9:21pm On Aug 23, 2013
I knw u watch dr house and greys anatomy and I knw u see d doctors performing laboratory medicine and running CT scans n MRI. Very soon u guys ll be relegated to primary health care where u belong
Re: Federal Health Workers Embark On Strike by Dnaz(m): 9:42pm On Aug 23, 2013
on a good day:


i don't want to call u a stupid person,however,you should know that a building is not a human body and are at all not the same in terms of sophistication,so you comparison holds no water and secondly,if the minister of health and the cmd had done the job,that nurse would be on duty....so i ask you if you were any of the other profesionals,how would you feel..

Should you be bothering abt how oda professions shuld feel or if d health system is being run as it shuld. If u dnt like being pushed around by a doctor, den y did u become a nurse or technician( they r not scientists to ♏E). U want to turn d system upside down becos u want to please everybody. There is hierachy in every sector of government not only health or u wuld tell d lawyer dat clerk or paralegal is as impt as him. What a country we are in

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Re: Federal Health Workers Embark On Strike by Havilah01: 9:47pm On Aug 23, 2013
mssers kinkymax,zipper002,dnaz,pls wen last did u av ur head checked:@.else u won't talk without initiative on dis topic
Re: Federal Health Workers Embark On Strike by Havilah01: 9:52pm On Aug 23, 2013
[quote
author=enny09]
Must i keep explaining things to you, the hematologists, chem
pathologists,medical microbiologists, pathologists are not medical
laboratory scientist but pathologist doctors, by the law in Federal
republic of nigeria 2003 Act No. 11, the only body recognized by law to
oversee the practice of medical laboratoy in nigeria is medical
laboratory science council of nigeria (MLSCN), so anyone not registered
by this body working in a medical laboratory is only performing
quackery, doctors a word is enough for d wise i hope some of u will not
land in jail, if u are still confused u can speak with ur
lawyer.[/quote]tanks.med.doc r stil ignorant of dir limitatns.numbskulls
Re: Federal Health Workers Embark On Strike by enny09: 10:15pm On Aug 23, 2013
Dnaz:

Cut d Crap hematologists, chem pathologists,medical microbiologists, pathologists and radiologists are doctors and dey are licensed to do what d lab technicians and radiographers(camera men) do and in addition to dat diagnose and treat, about d nurses dere is no where it is said dat a doctor can't do d work of a nurse we just opted out so we can make d work less stressful 4 ourselves. Nobody is insulting any profession, its just dat u have chosen to look down on urselves and hence has been consumed with inferiority complex. The Hospital is d Doctors constituency and nobody can take dat from us. Afterall even if u get d money to build a hospital, u can't be d chief medical director, what am I even saying, u won't be licensed to practise unless u get a doctor to be ur MD
Re: Federal Health Workers Embark On Strike by skimarvel: 10:26pm On Aug 23, 2013
Nigerians are the architects of their own failure..every association naw tinks the best way to move forward iz to hold d govt to ransome...shame on ASUU,HEALTH WORKERS,ND EVERY NIGERIAN WHO SUPPORTS D IDEA OF STRIKE
Re: Federal Health Workers Embark On Strike by bumfem: 10:44pm On Aug 23, 2013
This topic getting more interesting. Nigerians have the right to know that NMA and health minister are the cancer in the health sector in this country. Comments made by some physicians clearly show that the had never step out of this country for one or take the advantage of internet to know what operate in developed country. A physician who never had a single course in health admin wants to live the clinic for administration of hospitals. They claim to know all and do all yet two day strike by other health professionals has nearly collapse all hospital services. Health care delivery is collaboratory where things work. Every got respect and dignity for their relevance. But it not so in Nigeria wher physicians and their kitchen minister spend more time deceiving Nigeria that they are all in all.
Friend,, this strike is not about increase in salary at all. It is about fairness and justice. The minister took health workers to court and they won gallantly. Let the ruling of the court be obey. He now claim that he cannot obey bc the judgement is confusing. This is the antics of a frustrated and confused man.
It is unfortunate that the patients have to be discharged from various hospitals. The man to be held responsible is the health minister,, who has been busy doing nothing.

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Re: Federal Health Workers Embark On Strike by onagoodday1: 10:58pm On Aug 23, 2013
Dnaz:


U see ur problem . Where in d world is medicine run like dat. Wat crap did u just vommit, how can a lab technician knw wich tests to run. Pls its not everybody dat goes to d hospital dat has malaria, I am amazed @ d level of reasoning of dis ppl, I am now more dan sure dey dnt knw wat dey r doing and if given d chance ll ruin healthcare delivery. Where in d world is a pharmacists allowed to prescribe drugs 4 a patient(FYI dat is is d jurisdiction of a doctor) we studied pharmacology 4 God's sake and we knw d right drugs 4 our patients. A Lab scientist does not even knw what complicated malaria is? He only see malaria parasites in blood film, he is not trained to make diagnosis but to carry out tests. I am lost for words. This is horrible coming from u, Please Go back to school and read something else. Chineke!!! Is dis Guy 4 real

it will be stupid of me to keep explaining to stupid person like,so silent is the best answer to you...just go back and read my post again and stop displaying your ignorance here abeg
Re: Federal Health Workers Embark On Strike by onagoodday1: 11:03pm On Aug 23, 2013
Dnaz: Added to it, in a country like nigeria where it ll take 3 dys to a week before tests results cme back, u find dat d doctor has to depend on his clinical skills to make diagnosis and commence empirical trt based on d epidemiology by d time d results cme bak d patient is already healed and d result ll on serve to confirm our diagnosis. I can't see a child with fever and neck stiffness and den wait 4 CSF analysis result to show before I commence trt. Most of d things we do in this country we do from our clinical skills cos lab results take ages to cme out

height of ignorance..mtcheew
Re: Federal Health Workers Embark On Strike by enny09: 11:25pm On Aug 23, 2013
Nigeria Medical Workers
Strike: Let Us All Die!
By FEJIRO OLIVER
Silence never won rights. They are not handed
down from above; they are forced by pressure
from below---Roger Baldwin
I have tried very hard to restrain myself from
writing on this tragic strike embarked on by
the medical and health workers union in
Nigeria, but I can no longer hold myself from
writing this short piece, not after what one of
the health practitioners ( who prefers to be
called doctors ) said in a gathering of
intellectuals, that it is the prerogative of
Nigerian Medical Association(NMA) members to
be appointed as commissioners or ministers of
health. Then I knew that he and his colleagues
need to have their heads examined. My
assertion was later justified when I learnt that
he is a psychiatrist specialist who haven
mingled with mad men for years have lost his
sense of reasoning. Call it pride or being
boastful, but I can humbly say that I have
travelled and interacted with men of various
professions including foreign health workers
who are renowned surgeons, experts who at
their magical touch, celebral palsy is gone, but
I am yet to come across any who is as
pompous as Nigerian graduates of medicine.
Let no one say I have been paid for putting up
this reports or that I'm one of the other health
practitioners; far from it. As I matter of fact, I
am married to a member of this arrogant
profession. I have two female cousins who are
surgeons and graduates of Harvard, not these
mushroom universities that the so called
medical 'doctors' in Nigeria attended, yet go
about with shoulders highly lifted. So you see,
when I write with this amount of hurting truth,
I'm directly talking to my families. So let it be.
I have always been an advocate that the term
'doctor' be reserved for the academics that go
the extra mile to obtain the highest
educational degree, not a bunch of
opportunists who dumped the appellation of
physician for a more worthy title. For all the
years that I have read my bible, Christ or any
of the leaders there always addressed health
workers as physicians while he refers to the
highly educated ones as 'doctors of law'. What
then is this craze by these general body
physicians that they control the health sector?
What gave the NMA president, Mr. Osahon
Enabulele the impetus to tell his colleagues to
stand by even as the other medical workers go
striking? My visit to a hospital today in Lagos
made a mess of 'General' Osahon order who
feel that they can do the work they are not
trained for. Various calls made to my
colleagues in other states to confirm the state
of the hospitals where they reside confirm that
the entire hospital has been grounded.
I have never had a cause to be treated by any
of the general body physician in my life and
will never be, but I have had reasons to see a
medical laboratory scientist; yes, I have lost
count of reasons where nurses who do all the
dirty jobs have attended to me. I have seen a
family friend died when a physician who
cannot carry out a test asked him to go out of
the hospital gate to do a test before treatment
could be carried out, but died on the way,
holding the test result. I have visited a hospital
where a physician was truthful enough to tell a
stroke patient that they are not trained to
handle such cases, telling him bluntly that his
hope of walking lie with a doctor of
physiotherapy (DPT). I am reliably informed by
one of the NMA executive that the only
medical profession that they don't have the
faintest idea of how they work is the DPT, and
yet one still ask, why the discrepancy among
them.
It is only in Nigeria that a common appointed
minister is above the court of law. If it were
not so, who is Mr. Onyebuchi Chukwu to
disobey a court order, asking him to effect all
the demands of NUMPTAM/JOHESU. Let the
truth be told, their demand is just, fair and
worthy. Why must other government workers
skip grade level 11 and the minister gives
autocratic orders that all other medical
workers apart from physicians must not skip
it? What manner of working practice is it that
clinical specialist are not paid specialist
allowance, when NMA members enjoy such?
What outdated manner of man is the minister
of health to give a directive that Chief Medical
Directors of hospitals should be only from
NMA, when DPT, Optometry and pharmacists
are leading players in the field of medicine?
While I do not make claims for the medical
practitioners, I advocate for their rights been
given to them. That only NMA members should
be appointed as CMDs leaving other medical
professions out amounts to saying only
graduates of Banking/Finance should head the
Central Bank of Nigeria, when there are
graduates of accountancy and economics in the
profession, or succinctly put; that only
graduates of political science should hold
political positions when they have partners in
graduates of government and public
administration. The position of a CMD is
equivalent to chief executive officer and
should be filled by any qualified medical
practitioners, ditto commissioners and
ministers of health.
For a minister to flagrantly disobey a court
order and gets away with it is another dent of
the President Goodluck Jonathan
administration. It goes to show that Mr.
Jonathan day as a vice president were simply
wasted years, since he could not learn the
'rule of law' from President Musa Yaradua,
which was the bench mark of that
administration. For Christ sake, what manner
of ministers do we have? Let someone tell
Onyebuchi that we don't have a minister of
NMA but health. Can Mr. Jonathan be bold
enough to sack this man who the medical
workers have recommended his sack since last
year? Can this man resign his position as a
minister to allow a true health expert take
over? With this medical strike and ASUU strike,
a serious president would have asked both
ministers to submit their resignation letters,
but not Nigeria president. This is the price a
leader pay when he leaves experts and
technocrats to appoint political thieves in
office.
It is time Nigerians call the bluff off these
physicians once and for all the way Governor
Babatunde Fashola of Lagos State did last year.
It is time Nigerians tell them that they are like
the gatemen in the various government
ministries and should not use their pride to
cause innocent Nigerians to die in the hospitals
with no medical officer to attend to them. I
feel their pains as they lie down in their
various wards, praying for the strike to be
called off. I have been in their shoes losing
loved ones not because there are no
physicians, but there was no medical lab
scientist to carry out a test. I have been to the
physiotherapist department in various Nigerian
hospitals and see people wriggling in pains,
mothers crying to have their husbands treated
of strokes, children treated of ebbs palsy,
facial nerve and numerous medical conditions,
yet there was no hope as the DPTs are on
strike. I have known an operation successfully
carried out, but because of the absence of a
nurse to take care of the patient; we lost him.
This is the pain I feel. Pains that the medical
workers don't feel, as they forget the
Hippocratic Oath the very minute they leave
the medical college.
The minister of health is not fit for such a
sensitive position and while his cronies in NMA
who his presence is shielding will not agree to
his sack, let the ears of the president listen to
his medical colleagues who know his ineptitude
and have called for his removal. It is not too
late to bring back Mrs. Dora Akunyili who I
reliably gathered was penciled as health
minister, during the Olusegun Obasanjo
regime, before the NMA politics went through
the back door to stop it. If this strike will
claim the lives of all Nigerians before the
minister of health will be removed; so be it. An
African proverb says, 'Until you lose a loved
one before you realize that other dead bodies
are not sticks'
To you striking medical practitioners; today I
say to you: remember you are fighting more
than your own fight, you are fighting for the
future of your profession and you must stand
together. Break your chains and demand your
rights, for united you bargain but divided you
beg. If there is no struggle, progress is
stagnated.
May the blood of all the patients that may die
as a result of this strike, rest on Mr. Onyebuchi
Chukwu and his generations, now and forever
more; amen.
These little things matter
Fejiro Oliver, a Journalist can be reached on
secretsreporters@gmail.com and
+2348026797588 (sms only please)
Disclaimer: "The views expressed in this
article are the sole responsibility of the
author and do not necessarily reflect those
of The Nigerian Voice. The contents of this
article are of sole responsibility of the
author(s). The Nigerian Voice will not be
responsible or liable for any inaccurate or
incorrect statements contained in this
article." © FEJIRO OLIVER .
Re: Federal Health Workers Embark On Strike by adeoladrg(m): 11:26pm On Aug 23, 2013
@Dnaz, Pharmacists do more pharmacology than medical doctors, so what crap are you talking about? FYI, pharmacists in developed countries(im only sure of UK) obtain prescribing rights after pharmacy school.. FYI, nurses also do pharmacology, anatomy, physiology in school, so pls tell me(be professional here) what course doctors do in skul, that members of other professions didnt do.. They av no idea about pharmacognosy, we(Rxcists) do, we also do clinical rotations and ward rounds they do.. I know something for sure, something is wrong with the mentality of Nigerian med docs and even studs.. *smh*

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Re: Federal Health Workers Embark On Strike by enny09: 11:41pm On Aug 23, 2013
FG APPEAL STALLS RESOLUTION OF
HEALTH CRISIS
August 23, 2013 by | Filed in news | No
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Federal government has appealed to the
ruling of the National Industrial Court (NIC)
into its labour dispute with health workers who
went on indefinite nationwide strike
Wednesday midnight.
The appeal in court stopped its implementation
of agreements reached with members of Joint
Health Sector Unions last May.
Health minister Onyebuchi Chukwu is to
meet with JOHESU on Monday in hopes of a
dialogue but he appealed that striking workers
be considerate about the plight of thousands
of Nigerians denied health services on account
of their industrial action.
The minister said the agreements could not be
acted upon immediately because the appeal
was pending in court.
He said the appeal was filed on the advice of
government legal counsel and served on
JOHESU because the NIC ruling
asking government to negotiate with workers
intent on skipping a pay level and to allow
consultants appointed in error outside the
ministry to continue in their position was
“confusing.”
But JOHESU—an umbrella body of
nurses, midwives, pharmacists, technicians—
has denied knowledge of any appeal filed
and accused the health ministry of “shifting
the goal in the middle of the game.”
JOHESU president Dr Ayuba Wabba said
both parties, in a collective bargain agreement
reached before the dispute went to NIC in June
2012 at the behest of the labour ministry.
“There was an agreement and
understanding that whatever the outcome of
the NIC judgement, every party shall respect
and implement the judgment,” Wabba said.
“It wasn’t us that took the case to NIC, it was
government through the instrument of the
minister of labour. You can’t shift the post in
the middle of the game.”
Re: Federal Health Workers Embark On Strike by eaglechild: 12:30am On Aug 24, 2013
on a good day:


do you know what a clinical pharmacist is?
Yes I do and they DO NOT prescribe drugs.
They work in the hospitals unlike those that work in the pharmaceutical companies.
Don't be confused by the word clinical.
Re: Federal Health Workers Embark On Strike by eaglechild: 12:59am On Aug 24, 2013
on a good day:


let me enlighten you a bit with this scenerio A patient comes into the clinic,where the doctor,the pharmacist,the nurses and the scientist are their to see the patient,the doctor,who are expert in diagnosis,clerks the patient,comes up with the differentila diagnosis,works with(not order) the scientist to come up with the definite diagnosis,the pharmacist,(the drug expert comes in) asseses the apprpriet drug and vet them,the nurse nurses the patient to health,now if anything goes wrong,we definately know who to hold responsible.mr. dr,did u diagnose correctly,mr pharma,was the drug right for the diagnosis,nurse how did u nurse this patient,and pls mr scientist,did you do your work professionally..But when one man diagnosis,prescribe,dispense,assess and discharge,how can one expect a clean job.
Secondly,if a doctor can become a consultant in paeditrics,why can't a pharmacist become a consultant in paediatric drugs,my brother,you must understand that consultatiothe rpppn is quite different from clerking a patient, all we are saying is about professionalism in line with expertise.
Please,doctors don't hate others for beginning to understand their rights,and importance.
Please stop misinforming the public.
Pharmacists be it clinical or not do not prescribe drugs. They manufacture and dispense drugs.
If a patient undergoes surgery eg prostatectomy and the doctor writes diagnosis post prostatectomy, what will the pharmacist prescribe?
Prescriptions are tailored to each individual patient. It is not a mass production process. Based on the history and examination and lab findings a doctor may decide to give different drugs to patients with the same diagnosis. Does everyone with malaria get to take the same drug?
Lab scientists do not give definitive diagnosis. They carry out the requested investigation.
If a stroke patient comes down with fever and an mp is requested, which later comes out positive, is the definitive diagnosis now malaria?

Pls stop misinforming the public.

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Re: Federal Health Workers Embark On Strike by Nobody: 1:04am On Aug 24, 2013
Dnaz: I knw u watch dr house and greys anatomy and I knw u see d doctors performing laboratory medicine and running CT scans n MRI. Very soon u guys ll be relegated to primary health care where u belong
if u paid attention to ur medical ethics lecturers,u would hav knw dat each medical specialist are restricted only to dere speciality..dats why a consultant opthalmologist can only be alowed to treat fever if he is d only doc. Available.. Am a future member of NMA bt i strongly beleive dat witout oda professions we ar also handicaped.PLS LETS respect professionality abi because of d path and pharm dat makes u tink we can do wat a pharmacist can? I beleive dere shuld be consultant opthalmic nurse,etc,consultant clinical pharmacist.pls mind d words u use on oda proffesionals.we nid dem

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Re: Federal Health Workers Embark On Strike by timowale: 1:22am On Aug 24, 2013
kinkymax: yu re a fool. Dis is hw it is done evrywhr not onli in nig. D med doctor is d head of a med team. Under no conditn wil a nurse or pharmacist or lab techni head d health sector neva done. Hw wil dey b receivin same salary wt d doctors. Neva!! Den dey av to go bak to skul to study hard for medicine nt all dos 3yr nursin skul dey went to or half baked health tech skul dey wnt to and nw dey av d guts to say dey wana receiv same salary wt doctors. Dey wana bcom cmd of hosp dey re bunch of ididots. Dos nurses wey no sabi anytn other dan to gist n gossip in d wards dey talk too. Total rubbish FG can neva ansa des stupid ppl. If u wana b doctors medical skul is opened for evrybodi is neva too late. Rubbish


Shut up there!ur ignorance is very pathetic
who tells u that doctors ar those in charge of hospitals?
U obviously ve nt bn orientated to the best global health practices of administration of hospitals which authourise any of the health professionals who possess the administrative and other requiste qualifications

Furthermore,Ur interpretation of the struggle of striking health workers as demanding equal salary as there doctors counterpart is childish.what the health workers ar canvassing for is a clearly separation of duties and competencies in each chosen field of health profession to be well spelt out.
On no account should doctors misinterprete the term medical as an exclusve preserve of doctors.for better orientation we have medical nurse, medical lab technologists/scientists,medicalrehabilitation,medical pharmacy and so forth.

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Re: Federal Health Workers Embark On Strike by onagoodday1: 1:23am On Aug 24, 2013
eaglechild:
Please stop misinforming the public.
Pharmacists be it clinical or not do not prescribe drugs. They manufacture and dispense drugs.
If a patient undergoes surgery eg prostatectomy and the doctor writes diagnosis post prostatectomy, what will the pharmacist prescribe?
Prescriptions are tailored to each individual patient. It is not a mass production process. Based on the history and examination and lab findings a doctor may decide to give different drugs to patients with the same diagnosis. Does everyone with malaria get to take the same drug?
Lab scientists do not give definitive diagnosis. They carry out the requested investigation.
If a stroke patient comes down with fever and an mp is requested, which later comes out positive, is the definitive diagnosis now malaria?

Pls stop misinforming the public.

you are such a silly and ignoramous fellow,see,i will not because of your stupidity designate all drs as stupid and arrogant because i hve com across many of them that are very responsible,but for your type,i will advice you to go and sit down and acquaint yourself with your area of expertise(diagnosis),so that you will not become a liability to this nation when the time comes,you cannot fool everybody all the time.
Let me even ask you a question,why did you say i am missinforming the public?,did you read through it,or you read like you do your diagnosis,did i tell you that is how it is done? i am only suggesting a lasting solution to this problem that kuti has created for us. let me tell you,that suggestion i wroteis the best way,if you like go and import whatsoever you feel from any part of the world,we no send you,if the battle is not won now,tomorrow dey,and untill Drs leave everything about drugs to the pharmacist,leave nursing to nurse and untill lab scientist have the final say on lab matters,doctors of your type will never see peace,

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Re: Federal Health Workers Embark On Strike by Nobody: 1:38am On Aug 24, 2013
Check mdcn act of 1991 u would see it clearly that pathologists(laboratory physcians) are recognized by law.ask ur lawyer he would explain to you better. Also check national medical act of 1990 you will see laboratory doctors(pathologists) are recognized by law. Then google to understand meaning and jobs of pathologists.
enny09:
Must i keep explaining things to you, the hematologists, chem pathologists,medical microbiologists, pathologists are not medical laboratory scientist but pathologist doctors, by the law in Federal republic of nigeria 2003 Act No. 11, the only body recognized by law to oversee the practice of medical laboratoy in nigeria is medical laboratory science council of nigeria (MLSCN), so anyone not registered by this body working in a medical laboratory is only performing quackery, doctors a word is enough for d wise i hope some of u will not land in jail, if u are still confused u can speak with ur lawyer.
Re: Federal Health Workers Embark On Strike by Nobody: 1:45am On Aug 24, 2013
If u do not want peace for doctors u would also not get peace. Kuti does not create any problem. Go and check record he is the best minister of health ever. Medicine is an international profession u cannot just create ur own standard. Let us follow international standard then there would peace for everybody. In usa pathologists are head of clinical laboratories. If u do know ask google the roles of pathologists in clinical lab.
on a good day:


you are such a silly and ignoramous fellow,see,i will not because of your stupidity designate all drs as stupid and arrogant because i hve com across many of them that are very responsible,but for your type,i will advice you to go and sit down and acquaint yourself with your area of expertise(diagnosis),so that you will not become a liability to this nation when the time comes,you cannot fool everybody all the time.
Let me even ask you a question,why did you say i am missinforming the public?,did you read through it,or you read like you do your diagnosis,did i tell you that is how it is done? i am only suggesting a lasting solution to this problem that kuti has created for us. let me tell you,that suggestion i wroteis the best way,if you like go and import whatsoever you feel from any part of the world,we no send you,if the battle is not won now,tomorrow dey,and untill Drs leave everything about drugs to the pharmacist,leave nursing to nurse and untill lab scientist have the final say on lab matters,doctors of your type will never see peace,
Re: Federal Health Workers Embark On Strike by Nobody: 1:54am On Aug 24, 2013
There is nothing like medical nurse or medical pharmacy what u would have is clinical nurse or clinical pharmacy. If u are not satisfied ask google. Granted in usa any professional can become ceo of hospital but there is office of surgeon-general. If u want ceo of hospital to be open to all, then do not campaign against office of surgeon-general.
timowale:


Shut up there!ur ignorance is very pathetic
who tells u that doctors ar those in charge of hospitals?
U obviously ve nt bn orientated to the best global health practices of administration of hospitals by any of the health professionals who possess the administrative and other requiste qualifications

Furthermore,Ur interpretation of the struggle of striking health workers as demanding equal salary as there doctors salary is childish.what the health workers ar canvassing for is clearly separation of duties and competencies in each chosen field of health profession to be well spelt out.
On no account should doctors misinterprete the term medical as an exclusve preserve of doctors.for better orientation we have medical nurse, medical lab technologists/scientists,medicalrehabilitation,medical pharmacy and so forth.
Re: Federal Health Workers Embark On Strike by onagoodday1: 2:02am On Aug 24, 2013
Laalamed: If u do not want peace for doctors u would also not get peace. Kuti does not create any problem. Go and check record he is the best minister of health ever. Medicine is an international profession u cannot just create ur own standard. Let us follow international standard then there would peace for everybody. In usa pathologists are head of clinical laboratories. If u do know ask google the roles of pathologists in clinical lab.
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DOCTORS LIKE YOU WILL NOT HAVE PEACE,NOT ALL DRs,I MEAN YOUR TYPE OF DOCTORS and as to your ranting..i will reply you when you grow up
Re: Federal Health Workers Embark On Strike by Nobody: 2:05am On Aug 24, 2013
Doctor do mind these bunch of quack doctors calling themselves health workers. This trends just prove that most health workers are illiterates. People should browse and see how things being done. And if their relatives sick they would be begging doctors to see them. I want govt to ask all of them. Fashola did it and it worked. How can u initiate a court process and still go on strike? Sack them. Replacement is not big deal. Less than 30% of health workers work with govt, remaining 70% in private.
Dnaz: Added to it, in a country like nigeria where it ll take 3 dys to a week before tests results cme back, u find dat d doctor has to depend on his clinical skills to make diagnosis and commence empirical trt based on d epidemiology by d time d results cme bak d patient is already healed and d result ll on serve to confirm our diagnosis. I can't see a child with fever and neck stiffness and den wait 4 CSF analysis result to show before I commence trt. Most of d things we do in this country we do from our clinical skills cos lab results take ages to cme out
Re: Federal Health Workers Embark On Strike by onagoodday1: 2:07am On Aug 24, 2013
Laalamed: There is nothing like medical nurse or medical pharmacy what u would have is clinical nurse or clinical pharmacy. If u are not satisfied ask google. Granted in usa any professional can become ceo of hospital but there is office of surgeon-general. If u want ceo of hospital to be open to all, then do not campaign against office of surgeon-general.

Can you give ten good reasons why you are campaining for the office of the surgeon general,ten good reason reasons that are perculier to our culture,country and us .......please do not come with that cliche of " that is how it is done in the U.S.A", WE can only import what will benefit us as a country and health sector not what will benefit one group and leave the others
Re: Federal Health Workers Embark On Strike by Nobody: 2:10am On Aug 24, 2013
Who have ur time for wounded snake like you. Ur comments so that u a kid. If u pharmacist go and specialize in surgical pharmacy so u can compete with doctors. In health sector who recognize only nurses and doctors in acute health care workers shortages manual. If u have nothing in ur brain beg google to teach u.
on a good day:
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DOCTORS LIKE YOU WILL NOT HAVE PEACE,NOT ALL DRs,I MEAN YOUR TYPE OF DOCTORS and as to your ranting..i will reply you when you grow up
Re: Federal Health Workers Embark On Strike by sofi05(m): 2:14am On Aug 24, 2013
It is clearly a huge pity that these issues are such that would be discussed extensively. It is a known fact that medicine has become really diversified and the roles of the different players in the health sector rather broadened. This is a global approach: the patient is the most important factor in this equation (although really an unballanced equation in this country). Reading closely thru the discussion in this thread, it is obvious that the rights and boundaries of the several players in the health sector has been trampled upon for a protracted period! Refering to the US, it is obvious that expanded roles exists for the Nurse (we now have Nurse Practitioner)))n the Pharmacist(Dr of Pharmacy), the Clinical/Medical Laboratory Scientist(Doctor of Clinical Lab Sciences) Physiotherapy (Doctor of Physio) etc. This goes a long way to show that the field of medicine is becoming more specialised and as such requires such trained and specialised professionals for the common good, the good og the patient! Why muct the Nigerian case be any different. Consultants exist for every profession in the UK. There are Consultant Biomedicla scientists and earn as high or even higher than lots of the doctors. If Doctors have left clinical practice for lab medicine, y can't other professions also extend their scope of practice? In all health schools, we have what is called basic medical science (anatomy, physiology, biochemistry) which forms the basis of the different professions...so y then do doctors say they do everything in medical sch? Gues we all did everything! That doesn't mean because I did pharmacology as an MLS student that I am a pharmacologist or can work in a pharmacy! Even students with a BSc degree in pharmacology do not have the license to work in a hospital pharmacy! What is the fuss all about

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Re: Federal Health Workers Embark On Strike by Nobody: 2:15am On Aug 24, 2013
Tell me 5 reasons why u oppose surgeon-general and 5 reasons why u want cmd to be changed to ceo and open to all. I have no problem in whom becoming cmd or ceo as long as i am getting my salary but let doctors have surgeon-general. U cannot eat ur cake and have it.
on a good day:


Can you give ten good reasons why you are campaining for the office of the surgeon general,ten good reason reasons that are perculier to our culture,country and us .......please do not come with that cliche of " that is how it is done in the U.S.A", WE can only import what will benefit us as a country and health sector not what will benefit one group and leave the others

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