Eeja Nla01: Confused on the Angels does not enters home where pictures and Dogs are,what about the angels of death and the recording angels don't they enter also?

Anvaller:

On what premise is this ridiculous statement? Nothing wey I no go hear from fellow muslims. They confuse themselves even at the level of the so revered scholars and even when the Quran is clear and unambiguous. Or is it? Betathings? Are u referring to the God's revelation as the Shariah of old? Well Al Quran is not sharia OK? Sharia is a different thing entirely. Stop mixing things all up.

Anvaller:
And ur thinking comes off more like the typical xtian beleif of old/versus new testament. Well may be I know why u said it, cos the Hadith is no different from the Bible, they are both mere narrations hence both characterized with consistent inconsistencies.

Anvaller:
U need to be smartly consistent with the line of ur arguments because here u mentioned the children of Adam but do u not know that prohibition to marry our siblings came to existence as it was clearly revealed in the Quran? It wasn't just a narration from a chain report in a hadith. So that is very clear, U can not substitute mere narrations for the mighty revelations of the Almighty. May be u and I will never agree on this and its ok with me.

Anvaller:
Well if u think I only told u what I believe, how is that different from every other person including u here telling us what u believe? Tell me?

Anvaller:
I did not call anyone sinner here, I simply referred to God's warning for anyone prohibiting what he the Almighty has never prohibited for mankind, so are u guilty of the warning?

Anvaller:
And u said that the same Quran tells us that the Prophet is our perfect example. Well of course, no one is disputing that but why don't u go further to prove how that translates to that the prophet has the authority to make new revelations to overwrite God's, (I will be waiting for ur proves) he is a deliverer of "the message", God did not arrogate to ANY prophet the authority to make their own law. The duty and or responsibility of the prophet is clearly defined in the Quran. If u do not know, go and find out.

Anvaller:

On what premise is this ridiculous statement? Nothing wey I no go hear from fellow muslims. They confuse themselves even at the level of the so revered scholars and even when the Quran is clear and unambiguous.

Or is it? Betathings? Are u referring to the God's revelation as the Shariah of old? Well Al Quran is not sharia OK? Sharia is a different thing entirely.Stop mixing things all up.

And ur thinking comes off more like the typical xtian beleif of old/versus new testament.Well may be I know why u said it, cos the Hadith is no different from the Bible,they are both mere narrations hence both characterized with consistent inconsistencies.

U need to be smartly consistent with the line of ur arguments because here u mentioned the children of Adam but do u not know that prohibition to marry our siblings came to existence as it was clearly revealed in the Quran? It wasn't just a narration from a chain report in a hadith. So that is very clear,U can not substitute mere narrations for the mighty revelations of the Almighty.May be u and I will never agree on this and its ok with me.

Well if u think I only told u what I believe, how is that different from every other person including u here telling us what u believe? Tell me?

I did not call anyone sinner here,I simply referred to God's warning for anyone prohibiting what he the Almighty has never prohibited for mankind,so are u guilty of the warning?

And u said that the same Quran tells us that the Prophet is our perfect example. Well of course,no one is disputing that but why don't u go further to prove how that translates to that the prophet has the authority to make new revelations to overwrite God's, (I will be waiting for ur proves) he is a deliverer of "the message", God did not arrogate to ANY prophet the authority to make their own law.The duty and or responsibility of the prophet is clearly defined in the Quran.If u do not know,go and find out.

lanrexlan: So those hadiths are from revered scholars? Bro,if you are a quraniyoon it's your choice.

JaaizTech: Being a Vet Doctor is a noble profession, that could attract a lot of rewards from Allah, if it is done with the right intentions. Taking care of animals is meritorious deed, that would attract rewards if done with the right intentions. As for keeping Dogs, it has to be for Halal reasons, security, walk dog, hunting etc. And you have to observe all the rules in dealing with Dogs e.g You can't pray with clothes touched by the Dog, you to have wash plates used by the Dog or anything its tongue touches severally before it can be used for personal use.

BetaThings:
Don't mind him

The Quran was transmitted to us by the Companions; The ahadeeth were transmitted by the companions
Yet they accept one and reject the other
The Prophet (SAW) is an example that we should follow as stated in the Quran
So how will they follow his example if there are no ahadeeth?
Can they make adhan without ahadeeth?

The very fact that these people try to teach people the Qur'an nullifies their stand
If they need to study it, then the Prophet must have taught it to people.
So who do we know what he taught them without ahadeeth?

These people just try to mislead the unsuspecting

lanrexlan: Don't mind those Quraniyoons jare.They have proofs for what they are doing.May Allah(swt) in his mercy protects us from such.....Peace

PEN_MIGHT:

Allaah says:
Verily, those who disbelieve in Allaah and His Messengers and wish to make distinction between Allaah and His Messengers( by believing in Allaah and disbelieving in His Messengers) saying," we believe in Some but reject others" and wish to adopt a way in between.

They are in truth disbelievers.And We have prepared for the disbelievers a humiliating torment. Q 4 vs 150-151

Okija_juju:

You wanna address me?!

Lol.. Maybe Muslims need non-muslims to point out the errors of their ways...

By Islamic laws, Blind Muslims whit seeing-eye Dogs look like Infidels..
Its this hardline extremist attitude of yours that has birth all the Terrorist groups associated with Islam today.

showietee:

Errors of their ways?
We have our laws and you have yours, live by yours and leave us to ours. There are somethings that you and some other non-muslims think is morally right but is not right to we muslims. So lets accept our differences and respect each other. Wit that the nation ll integrate.
Comment
4 here, u can comment but in realworld u can't.
Extremist
Abiding does not mean one has gone beyond law. Search 4 truth

RoyPCain: okija juju is trying to make us muslims osus or thinking we will rush to his shrine making ourselves osus [children of the little gods]. islam is complete and every situation has exceptions or at least 1. in the time of the prophet [sa], there was a blind companion [ra]. if dog is useful and permissible for hunting, you bet it will not less useful or less permissible for the blind.

and today, not all legally blind people needs an eye dog. there is the walking cane. and if you are wealthy like stevie wonder, a man will perform better. and they are developing a device now that can even eliminate chemical sniffing dog.


i thought you okija juju used to put white powder on your body with raffia skirt to cover something. what happened? you are getting civilized.

on a side issue, i was told this past few days most osu people are the wealthy and powerful. and if they dont marry within the cast, they marry hausas and yorubas and others. i laughed and i hope my muslim people see advantage of making igbo muslim faster than allowing them to come at their own pace.

RoyPCain: okija juju does not know that some people want the least amount of attention to themselves. in some parts of the world people are not as hostile as we are in nigeria. they care more for the handicapped so much so people volunteer to help them in spite of the presence or absence of obvious assistance like the dog or stick. they have designation privileges, etc.


get out of the shrine, sometimes and see a world of difference out there.

Okija_juju: [b]Wow!! So Islam expressly forbids having a dog huh?!

Okay! here is where religion gets really funny. I'm sure the authors|editors|founders|originators of the Quran & Islam as at the time they wrote the scriptures only knew of two purposes for Dogs which were listed as;

1. Guarding Sheeps|Cattles|livestock.
2. Guarding Farms &
3. Hunting.

_{REFER:Sahih Bukhari 3:515,Narrated Abu Huraira Allah's Apostle said:Whoever keeps a dog, one Qirat of the reward of his good deeds is deducted daily,unless the dog is used for guarding a farm or cattle.Abu Huraira (in another narration) said from the Prophet,unless it is used for guarding sheep or farms,or for hunting.}



As I read through this thread, and noticed that keeping Dogs is Haram _Sin in Islam. I also noticed that some muslims here have tried to expand the accepted usage of Dogs to include 'Walk dogs, Human guard dogs, e.t.c', but I'm sorry, the Quran was specific in its 'immunity clause' for owning Dogs, its says for Hunting & guarding Livestocks only! #PERIOD.


Now lets bring this Islamic doctrine to 2013 and our current ways of life. As at the time that the characters in the Quran lived & this book was written, They were mostly normadic farmers, cattle rearers, e.t.c.. Fast forward to Today, the use of Dogs have expanded way beyond just guarding livestocks and hunting.. Here are some things that the authors of the Quran could never have fathomed possible with dogs in the 0000B.C when they lived;

1. Pet: Dogs as pets serve a big purpose to mankind. Helps fight loneliness, depression and gives its owners companionship and happiness in some cases. This serves an important health function.

2. Service or assistance dogs: help people with various disabilities in every day tasks. Some examples include mobility assistance dogs for the physically handicapped, guide dogs for the visually impaired, and hearing dogs for the hearing impaired.

3. Therapy dogs: visit people who are incapacitated or prevented in some way from having freedom of movement; these dogs provide cheer and entertainment for the elderly in retirement facilities, the ill and injured in hospitals, and so on. The very act of training dogs can also act as a therapy for human handlers, as in a prisoner rehabilitation project.

4. Rescue dogs: assist people who are in difficult situations, such as in the water after a boat disaster.

5. Search dogs: locate people who are missing; lost in the wilderness, escaped from nursing homes, covered in snow avalanches, buried under collapsed buildings, etc.

6. War Dogs or K9 Corps: are used by armed forces in many of the same roles as civilian working dogs, but in a military context. In addition, specialized military tasks such as mine detection or wire laying have been assigned to dogs. Military Working Dog is the more formal, current term for dogs trained for use in military tasks.

7. Police dogs, also sometimes called K9 Units, are usually trained to track or immobilize possible criminals while assisting officers in making arrests or investigating the scene of a crime. Some are even specially trained for anti-terrorist units, as in Austria.

These are just some amongst many others, including; Entertainment dogs|Show Dogs, e.t.c...

_{Culled from Wikipedia}


So now...

Is Islam saying that these other uses for dogs are also HARAM?!

I read where someone said that you can keep dogs, as long as you keep them from eating Haram and away from where you pray and also that you remove all your clothes that must have touched the Dog before you pray. #FINE! But what about those blind Muslims with service dogs that helps them navigate and hear?! How should they manage?!



Anyways... Heres my take.

We cant live our lives by rules set down in a period where an Abacus was not even an invention. Dogs have been found to be Mans best friend indeed. They have saved more humans than they have killed in history. They have evolved so much since the days of the Prophets of Islam|Christianity that all that is left is for them to be able to speak and then they become the perfect animal companion.

The fact that you own dogs will not stop you from entering Paradise. I'm sure that Allah doesnt mind that we own Animals or associate with animals.

So if you love dogs, then go get yourself one. #THE ONLY RULE YOU HAVE IS TO TAKE GOOD CARE OF IT... SImple.

Allahu Akbar

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Nokio1: nothing like muslim vegetarian, wat will happen to all the suya, shaki,ngwongo and kilishi dat is waiting for them in aljanna?