wogor@paradise:
hehehehehehe useless boy

.....Na my fault say ASUU don turn me to dropout?

they should quickly reexamine his health before he will sack himself, am sure we will hear that if he actually did all the sacking and dismissals.

Let me start by say FrankC has a very strong point oh. It is very sad that even though most of us watched him on TV when he arrived and might have ascertained from the visuals only, not audio( cos dem no gree make the man talk) dat he is not 'fit' to be governor but what does the constitution say?-that a man or woman must be mentally fit (not physically fit) for he or she to govern over a state. But the big question now is-who ascertains whether somebody is mentally fit or not? (A doctor or psychologist, this another debate 4 another day) Bt however if only people can get audio evidence but i can bet u that this will definitely be contested by his lawyers(whether d evidence is credible or not or whether it it is admissible in court or not). However, somebody might have problem with his wind pipe and that might affect his or her speech and that does not mean that the person is not mentally fit to govern a state. Bt our law its structured in such a way that somebody its assumed to be mentally ok until proven otherwise, lawyers in the forum can correct me if am wrong oh (am not a lawyer). The onus now falls on the people of Taraba to find strong evidence that prove otherwise-that he is mentally incapacited.

...And am loving you too because you have supported my Gov so much
God pls give him the strength to carry on and if he can't let someone else do it plsssssss for the peace and progress of Taraba.

Okija_juju: WAY TO GO SUNTAI!!!













All disloyal cabinet members need to go... All those cabinet members who capitalized on his absence to fvck up the state need to go. All those members that thought he was dead need to go..


This is a strong political move..

Next!! A 'State of the Union' address from him to shut all critics up..

I'm loving the 2nd coming of Suntai way too much..

D level of ur joblessness is increasing.
Am hapi 4 u, Congrats..

wasak: God :oGod...am i d fourth to comment... does ds mean I may be d 1st tomorrow.... I think m improving....@ Suntai pls make my Dad ur Ssg he's qualified... though he's a Yoruba man

what is the big deal about his dissolving cabinet?
did he do it in person?

was yardua not signing documents while he was brain dead in saudi arabia?
were people not shouting in the papers that he was hale and hearty?
did he not give an interview on the bbc hausa service?

Larryfly:

it is people like you with distorted reasoning and sick minds that has kept this country like this. i've nothing to say to you but may you experience what you are wishing for that state and suntai himself in this life

LOSER!!!
you think this is the way to respond to superior argument

Na waoooo for this country, the person that can't walk either stand on his own, how can that person will rule the state.

my.thoughts:
Let me start by say FrankC has a very strong point oh. It is very sad that even though most of us watched him on TV when he arrived and might have ascertained from the visuals only, not audio( cos dem no gree make the man talk) dat he is not 'fit' to be governor but what does the constitution say?-that a man or woman must be mentally fit (not physically fit) for he or she to govern over a state. But the big question now is-who ascertains whether somebody is mentally fit or not? (A doctor or psychologist, this another debate 4 another day) Bt however if only people can get audio evidence but i can bet u that this will definitely be contested by his lawyers(whether d evidence is credible or not or whether it it is admissible in court or not). However, somebody might have problem with his wind pipe and that might affect his or her speech and that does not mean that the person is not mentally fit to govern a state. Bt our law its structured in such a way that somebody its assumed to be mentally ok until proven otherwise, lawyers in the forum can correct me if am wrong oh (am not a lawyer). The onus now falls on the people of Taraba to find strong evidence that prove otherwise-that he is mentally incapacited.

Well, u re wrong, because d constitution contemplates both physical and mental stability and not jst mental stability as some ve wrongly said. Section 189(2) provides thus:"where d medical panel certifies in its report that in its opinion d governor or deputy governor is suffering from such INFIRMITY OF BODY or mind......." So, physical fitnesses is also a consideration.

practitioner: Well, u re wrong, because d constitution contemplates both physical and mental stability and not jst mental stability as some ve wrongly said. Section 189(2) provides thus:"where d medical panel certifies in its report that in its opinion d governor or deputy governor is suffering from such INFIRMITY OF BODY or mind......." So, physical fitnesses is also a consideration.

thank u for the insight.

my.thoughts:
thank u for the insight.

U re welcome.

[quote author=Frank-C]

What exactly is legally treasonable about what just happened? Learn to isolate 'how you feel' from facts before you when you want to reach conclusions. The consititution we are operating empowers him to resume his office by just writing a letter to the HOA when he returns. This letter is only a notification that he has resumed, not a permission.

Besides, the guy may be physically weak but mentally and psychologically strong. Neither you nor I are doctors or psychologists to de-good reasoning

dr dams: D level of ur joblessness is increasing.
Am hapi 4 u, Congrats..

...Thanks man

practitioner: Well, u re wrong, because d constitution contemplates both physical and mental stability and not jst mental stability as some ve wrongly said. Section 189(2) provides thus:"where d medical panel certifies in its report that in its opinion d governor or deputy governor is suffering from such INFIRMITY OF BODY or mind......." So, physical fitnesses is also a consideration.

And who makes up the medical Panel?
The constitutions says the medical panel must include his personal physician.

Do you think his personal physician will certify him incapacitated after advicing him to come back from America?

Now another drama has started, another Yar'Adua/Jonathan saga...all in the name of greed.

hmmmm make i combak for dis suntail matter. jst wait.

Power intoxicates and Absolute Power intoxicates Absolutely. De love of power in my own version is de root of evil. I rest my case.

Larryfly:

it is people like you with distorted reasoning and sick minds that has kept this country like this. i've nothing to say to you but may you experience what you are wishing for that state and suntai himself in this life

Cos you have no better way to win with fact and logical reasoning, instead, you resorted to emotional and gibberish ranting! Typical mentality!

From what I saw on the telly, SUNTAI does not look physically fit
His smart move to dissolve the cabinet is a legal way to buy time and escape the setting up of a panel by the executive council to examine his state of health as required by the constitution. AT THE END OF THE DAY SUNTAI WILL ONLY HAVE HIMSELF TO BLAME JUST AS YARADUA'S BACKERS. TIME WILL PROVE HIM STUPID AS HE IS ONLYPLAYING CASINO WITH HIS LIFE.
I AM WATCHING THIS DRAMA

Sadly and quite very unfortunate, I have hardly come across any commentator do their analysis with central focus on the people of Taraba, who are ultimately at the receiving end of this absurd drama.
The debate have only been limited to those in the corridors of power, as if we were discussing an Obasanjo farm.
Have we forgotten Taraba isn't a private property? What is the faith of the Taraba masses whose affairs would most definitely be abandoned in this power tussle?
Who is speaking for the people of Taraba?

practitioner: Well, u re wrong, because d constitution contemplates both physical and mental stability and not jst mental stability as some ve wrongly said. Section 189(2) provides thus:"where d medical panel certifies in its report that in its opinion d governor or deputy governor is suffering from such INFIRMITY OF BODY or mind......." So, physical fitnesses is also a consideration.

Now, you are talking. Not all the emotional blackmail from supposed graduates. Now, we can discuss the law governing us and how it affects the Taraba situation.

To be clear, I am against our laws allowing a leader to continue in office when saddled with diseases that compromise their ability to do their jobs but I know well enough to leave this open to both political and legal interpretation. Is HIV or diabetes an infirmity of the body enough? What of kidney disease or parkinson? What do you think about severe malaria and typhoid? Now, lets throw in an amputee, a blind or a dumb? The big question is whether our laws will ever allow a Steven Hawkings to run for Governorship or Presidential office in Nigeria? Naturally, I believe in a human society, where the poor or incapacitated enjoy opportunities like the rest of us but not to the extent of such infirmity compromising their ability to carry out the highly tasking job of National development.

This is an important National debate and I expect our youths to be actively involved in such debate and not just complain. I believe that our constitution is not necessarily a mansion to be built that is still at the foundation level but an ongoing discussion, like we are having now. The target should be to expand the frontiers of freedom and Human Rights. It should also aim at protecting our weak, not punishing them for being weak no matter who they are. Our laws should be Human and practical too. To this end, I think our laws should allow medical experts to appraise Suntai health condition, run the report against weighed factors and output a verdict that is transparent and practical. But my worry is that it should not just be on Suntai because he had an accident. It should be on our elected officials including ALL governors and the President. The other alternative is to trust our leaders to perform self appraisal and decide to resign when they can no more continue or allow the House of Assembly initiate impeachment, force the executive to make an appearance and then make a judgement. Whichever option we decide on should be backed up with strong logic. For now, what we have is good for stability, but does not take care of efficiency. If we are to choose between efficiency and stablity at this point in our Nation's life, the natural choice will be stability. I think thats the choice the national assembly has made.

I welcome more intelligent corrections and additions, not emotional outbursts and tantrums.

Frank-C:


Now, you are talking. Not all the emotional blackmail from supposed graduates. Now, we can discuss the law governing us and how it affects the Taraba situation.

To be clear, I am against our laws allowing a leader to continue in office when saddled with diseases that compromise their ability to do their jobs but I know well enough to leave this open to both political and legal interpretation. Is HIV or diabetes an infirmity of the body enough? What of kidney disease or parkinson? What do you think about severe malaria and typhoid? Now, lets throw in an amputee, a blind or a dumb? The big question is whether our laws will ever allow a Steven Hawkings to run for Governorship or Presidential office in Nigeria? Naturally, I believe in a human society, where the poor or incapacitated enjoy opportunities like the rest of us but not to the extent of such infirmity compromising their ability to carry out the highly tasking job of National development.

This is an important National debate and I expect our youths to be actively involved in such debate and not just complain. I believe that our constitution is not necessarily a mansion to be built that is still at the foundation level but an ongoing discussion, like we are having now. The target should be to expand the frontiers of freedom and Human Rights. It should also aim at protecting our weak, not punishing them for being weak no matter who they are. Our laws should be Human and practical too. To this end, I think our laws should allow medical experts to appraise Suntai health condition, run the report against weighed factors and output a verdict that is transparent and practical. But my worry is that it should not just be on Suntai because he had an accident. It should be on our elected officials including ALL governors and the President. The other alternative is to trust our leaders to perform self appraisal and decide to resign when they can no more continue or allow the House of Assembly initiate impeachment, force the executive to make an appearance and then make a judgement. Whichever option we decide on should be backed up with strong logic. For now, what we have is good for stability, but does not take care of efficiency. If we are to choose between efficiency and stablity at this point in our Nation's life, the natural choice will be stability. I think thats the choice the national assembly has made.

I welcome more intelligent corrections and additions, not emotional outbursts and tantrums.

Idon't think both d spirit and letter of our constitution accommodates any form of discrimination against incapacitated persons.A careful reading of section 189(3)shows that the emphasis is not on d fact of d person being incapacitated,but on the person being PERMANENTELY INCAPABLE OF DISCHARGING HIS FUNCTIONS.That is to say,unless the infirmity,be it of the body or the mind,has rendered d person permanentely incapable of discharging his functions,he is qualified to hold d position.Therefore,d question is not of incapacity,but of incapability.Suffice it to say that even a mentally unstable person is still qualified,unless it is shown that his mental problem is of such degree as to render him permanently incapable of discharging his functions.So can one who has Hiv,a kidney patient,parkinson disease,amputee be constitutionally qualified to hold office? I believe d answer is yes.

practitioner: Idon't think both d spirit and letter of our constitution accommodates any form of discrimination against incapacitated persons.A careful reading of section 189(3)shows that the emphasis is not on d fact of d person being incapacitated,but on the person being PERMANENTELY INCAPABLE OF DISCHARGING HIS FUNCTIONS.That is to say,unless the infirmity,be it of the body or the mind,has rendered d person permanentely incapable of discharging his functions,he is qualified to hold d position.Therefore,d question is not of incapacity,but of incapability.Suffice it to say that even a mentally unstable person is still qualified,unless it is shown that his mental problem is of such degree as to render him permanently incapable of discharging his functions.So can one who has Hiv,a kidney patient,parkinson disease,amputee be constitutionally qualified to hold office? I believe d answer is yes.

I totally agree with your well reasoned and intelligent points. I will only add that I hope that as our democracy evolve, that our politicians evolve also so that we can reach a day when a Governor or President can resign his office for health reasons or even sex scandal. I also hope that the followers will learn to protect the weak and his properties (properties here meaning John Locke's definition) until he can no more be said to be able to excercise right over those properties, then we can respectfully help him/her to peaceful retirement.

Frank-C:


I totally agree with your well reasoned and intelligent points. I will only add that I hope that as our democracy evolve, that our politicians evolve also so that we can reach a day when a Governor or President can resign his office for health reasons or even sex scandal. I also hope that the followers will learn to protect the weak and his properties (properties here meaning John Locke's definition) until he can no more be said to be able to excercise right over those properties, then we can respectfully help him/her to peaceful retirement.

I hope so too.