Siena:

Correct.



Bro, when you lift complete blocks of text from Wikipedia, it's no wonder you don't actually understand the combustion process in a diesel engine! At least have the good grace to post the link to the site you copied and pasted from!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_engine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbo-diesel

If u checked witot prejudice,u wlda seen d ""bet u knw wht it means.
And if you understand how a diesel engine works, you wouldn't even mention glow plugs, and the waiting time required before you attempt to start the engine. With direct injection diesel engines, there's no waiting time. I also run a 2008 BMW 120D M-Sport. I can jump into the car on a winter morning, with amient temperature as low as -25 degrees C. And simply start her as I would a gasoline engine. No drama, no waiting.

Siena: @ Elektra, are you saying diesel engines are unproven? Do you realise the diesel engine's not far behind the gasoline motor, in terms of adoption? But light years ahead, in terms of development?

Besides EFI and direct injection, how much has the gasoline engine evolved over the last 50 years? And how far has the diesel engine evolved in the last 15?

The diesel is a proven motor. If you're waiting for it to open your kitchen, boil a kettle of water to make you a cup of coacoa, before you feel the diesel engine has done something extraordinary, then you'll be waiting a long time. The fact is diesel engines have overtaken their gasoline counterparts in every sense, regardless of how you see things.

baby-boy:
I dont live in Nigeria, here in the UK most Nigerians or Afro-Caribbean avoided diesel engine cars because it sounds like a lorry and its not quick of the mark, but about 11 years ago I bought a Peugeot 406 1.9 diesel engine, and drove up to the North (somewhere between Liverpool and Manchester) and back to Kent on one tank of fuel, that was the day kissed good bye to petrol (when in Nigeria its different)

I finally sold it to my Polish neighbour who drove the car all the way Poland and back. The only problem with Peugeot diesel engine according to my Mech was the glow plug and changing it! but I didnt experience it when I had the BMW 325TD and the 320D

I now have my eyes on the A4 or A6 2 litre diesel engine

Ikenna351: For those that stay in Abuja, why do you think the giant company "Julius Berger" uses only VW diesels as officail vehicles? As far as am concerned, am yet to see Julius Berger official car that is petrol. Maybe there is, but am yet to see one. All i see is Golf TDIs.

Can we now say the company is wasteful? Or can we say they didn't see petrol Golfs to use as official vehicles if running them is cheaper? Every company would want to spend less in running an office, cutting down on cost of production. So if buying diesels and maintaining the TDIs is more expensive to them than using the petrol Golfs, why waste that resources ?

Remember, this is now in Nigeria, not Europe. So who can prove me wrong on this one? Hehehe!

Ikenna.

elektra80:

what model of Golf? You are the same person saying Nigerians are bandwagon propaganda... so now they are no longer bandwagon propaganda or americans wanna be since Julius Berger use TDI's as their official car?

Ikenna351:

Since when did Julius Berger become a Nigerian company?

Ikenna.

elektra80:

@siena
I didn't say diesel engines are unproven.. diesel have been available for heavy duty trucks for years and it is true diesel engines have done a lot in the last 15 years. But I ask u, why do car manufacturers produce more of gasoline cars than their diesel equivalent? Most standard cars come with gasoline powered engines, though the gap is gradually closing but will take some time before it can be even. The demand for gasoline cars is still higher, not just in Nigeria but in most countries. Manufacturers will not invest everything on something with low demand.

.Diesel engines are generally slower in acceleration than gasoline equivalents
.Diesel engines must be fuel injected which are expensive and less reliable
.They tend to be heavier than gasoline equivalents
.They produce black smoke which pollute the environ.
.Diesel are not readily available as gasoline. Go to a standard gas station, its always 8:2 ratio of pumps dispensing gasoline vs diesel. Some gas stations don't even sell diesel.

Now I know recently most of these problems have been remedied.. but based on past experience, people will not just jump into diesel cars until they are given a really solid reason to get one. That is excluding car enthusiasts anyway.

The point I am trying to make is that this is not a bandwagon propaganda as Ikenna would call it, or Herd theory as u would call it. Gasoline cars are more common everywhere in the world, not only in Nigeria.

Nuzo':


Bro, I will be the happiest today if you can explain properly and in details how the badwagon theory is connected with the examples you gave.

Thanks in anticipation.

elektra80:
u didn't answer the question. What model of golf?

Ikenna351:

From the engine size, i want to believe the 406 was a D8.

The XUD series, such as yours, (and other Peugeot diesel engines) do require special tool to pull out the glowplug. Most times, because of the high mileage they will cover before they fail, they will get stuck. Such tool can be purchased if you want to do DIY ownership.

Ikenna.

baby-boy:


I kind off disagree with the bolded comment you made above, because we have had a number of diesel engine cars beating gasoline or petrol engine cars in motor racing competitions Thats an indication how far the modern technology and powerful diesel engine cars are.

For a diesel engine car to win the famous Le Man race that says alot.

Siena:

He did. Volkswagen Golf TDI. IV, V, VII, does it really matter? They're all TDI's.

elektra80:

These are not ur regular street cars. And if u read my post, u will see I wrote that most of the problems have been remedied in recent productions.

ygenius: For me i prefer water cos both are fumious,yea,i cant imagine inhaling carbön,in my loquacious body in ma banana island.,i am tired of walking on land mhen

elektra80:

So out of all the foreign companies in Nigeria, he has been able to name just 1 that uses a diesel powered car as their official car. BRAVO. SO what happens to other foreign companies that use Toyota, Kia and Hyundai that run on gasoline? Did it occur to him that VW might have a contract with them and supply them these cars at subsidized costs just to advertise and create awareness about how good diesel cars have become? Again I stand by my point, it will take some time for everybody to be aware and embrace this. Not just in Nigeria

Siena:

True, the Audi R8 Le Mans is not a regular street car.

However, the Audi Q7 6.0 V12 TDI is. And it's no slouch either. 5.4 seconds 0-62 mph, with a maximum of 155 mph, which may I add is electronically limited. Not bad for an oil-burner the size of a large barn!

elektra80:

Audi Q7 6.0 v12 TDI started production in 2008. That is a mammoth engine u got there and incredibly fast. But then a Range ROver sport 5.0 v8 engine that runs on petrol does 0-60 in 5.8 secs. Diesel cars are becoming faster with newer models with bigger engines. But then how many average Nigerians can afford that?

Siena:

Lol...you'll try every tactic to discredit diesels. If I mentioned 5 more companies running diesels as their fleet cars, of course you'll say they too have contracts with the manufacturers. Which is pure conjecture.

For the purpose of this thread, these companies run diesel-powered cars, because they're cheaper to run. If they weren't cheaper, you're telling me Julius Berger would still run them, because they have a "contract" with Volkswagen? I doubt Berger would waste money, just to satisfy Volkswagen, or give them exposure. Volkswagen don't need it. Next you'll be telling me Volkswagen pay Berger to buy and use their "expensive-to-run" TDI's!

Ikenna351: For those that stay in Abuja, why do you think the giant company "Julius Berger" uses only VW diesels as officail vehicles? As far as am concerned, am yet to see Julius Berger official car that is petrol. Maybe there is, but am yet to see one. All i see is Golf TDIs.

Can we now say the company is wasteful? Or can we say they didn't see petrol Golfs to use as official vehicles if running them is cheaper? Every company would want to spend less in running an office, cutting down on cost of production. So if buying diesels and maintaining the TDIs is more expensive to them than using the petrol Golfs, why waste that resources ?

Remember, this is now in Nigeria, not Europe. So who can prove me wrong on this one? Hehehe!

Ikenna.

shejane: Dot kw much abt diesel cars thou bt I love my fuel car

Mayb if I try diesel car is possible I wil lyk it

Bt 4 now fuel car all d way nd toyota is d best

elektra80:

Audi Q7 6.0 v12 TDI started production in 2008. That is a mammoth engine u got there and incredibly fast. But then a Range ROver sport 5.0 v8 engine that runs on petrol does 0-60 in 5.8 secs. Diesel cars are becoming faster with newer models with bigger engines. But then how many average Nigerians can afford that?

omar22:

Yes I know the R10's 5.5 litre V12 TDI that won the Le Man race is powered by a diesel engine is not any ordinary street car, but the reason for Audi to run the diesel engine in Le Man instead of the normal petrol engine car:

Audi's decision to use a diesel engine emphasizes the commercial success of Turbocharged Direct Injection (TDI) turbodiesel engine (and its competitors) on Europe's roads. Diesels have been successfully used in other forms of racing as well, as their broad power band and fuel economy can prove advantageous, while in turn, the higher weight and lower rotational speed of the engine requiring new power transmissions are the disadvantages

This wasnt in 2008 but in 2004

Daimler Ben: The main reason why Nigerians (& the world at large) avoid car diesels is the fear of change (which I'm also guilty of). The saying "Once beaten, twice shy!" has given a bad name to car diesel engines. Former experiences with old diesel engines (pre-dating Ikenna's Peugeot HDI's) such as slow acceleration, noisy engines, very few technicians & high cost of maintenance, can aptly be described by the notion, "Once a convict, always a convict!" It would take a mighty act of valour (such as 100mpg in the city, and very readily available cheap parts) to convince the jury (car owners) otherwise. As for those advocating against using diesel engines due to the quality of diesel sold in the market, let it be known that diesel engines have a wider range of tolerance of fuels they can use, some even going as far as running on vegetable oils, as against gasoline engines (in some newer model petrol engined cars, if the pump contains the wrong kind of petrol, the car's fuel tank would lock itself against the nozzle entering it). Also, the scenario of letting your fuel tank go empty is ill-advised in both petrol & diesel engines.

elektra80:

+1 for u. The same point I've been trying to make. It will take something extraordinary to convince a gasoline engine user to switch to diesel. Its not a case if follow follow , or bandwagon propaganda like Mr ikenna would say.. Petrol powered cars are still most cars (by a wide margin ) allover the world, not just in Nigeria, and not just in the USA.

Ikenna351:

Am not advocating that we all switch to diesels, but just stating options available which people seem to forget or not aware of.

Diesel parts will cost more than petrol engine parts. But they last longer than the petrol ones.

A diesel car with 400k mileage is considered as "just starting life". Their engines built to be stronger than the petrol ones, due to the nature of their work. Hence, they tend to last longer.

Ikenna.