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Re: Why Do Nigerians Avoid Diesel Cars When Buying A Vehicle? by Mlud: 7:33am On Sep 24, 2013
A real time review of diesel car ownership in NIG. We need more like this on this thread especially the challenges of running and maintaining the car daily.
@Eduu50 What are your real time comparisons with running a fairly similar petrol powered car?

Interesting choice of an Accord diesel. Any issues with the conversion from RHD being a Euro Accord? Any dash lights on?
Lots of suggestions about poor diesel quality. Has this been your experience?
Eduu50: If ever you own a diesel engine auto mobile, you would literallly laugh @ some of the coments here because they don't hold water and are chiefly based on here say. I drive an accord euro 2004 2.2 i-cdt 5 gear mannual transmission; very sweet ride. I must confess that I also had the same impression as most of the fellas here but all that has changed now. Got it converted from RHD to LHD and its been an awesome experience so far. If you are not told, there's not a chance that you will know its a diesel engine. I do believe that for most young ppl in Nigeria, in choosing to buy a car, you would want to get a good car and @ d same time not pay overly too much for both the purchase and maintenance, a diesel engine would fit that bill almost perfectly. For those of you that know lag well, I live in ajah, work in V.I. In a week, I spend 3k5h on diesel and just like Ikenna, my A.C is always on...now even @ 155/lit...dt completely outclasses a petrol engine anytime and anyday. Now that's with all the traffic on the road and stuff. You see I am a complete novice in technical car talk, mayb one day I will learn some of these things, but I don't need an aristotle to tell me that its very healthy for my pocket. It also makes a lot of sense to appreciate the fact that a diesel engine is more tolerant to variations in fuel quality when compared to gasoline. So even in Nigeria, where diesels is almost 50% more expensive than petrol, it still holds its own when it comes to economy. As for lack of reliable mechanics to handle the diesel engine, that's about the only argument that may hold some credibility but I do hear that there are some very good ones @ Ladipo. Ah! yes, I forgot to mention it earlier, the performance is top notch. 120km/hr @ 2rpm in the fifth gear, I mean...ds is d real deal! A Petrol engine cnt get that efficient.

@Sienna; @Ikenna....I don't know if its even remotely possible that you can maybe drop your email address, I need tips on some questions I wanna ask, please.
Re: Why Do Nigerians Avoid Diesel Cars When Buying A Vehicle? by 9icetoo(m): 8:58am On Sep 24, 2013
obinna 222:

I agree with you. My Golf 6 Tdi uses 30 litres of diesel from Lagos to PHC (420 miles)

Until the fuel subsidy is removed, the difference between the diesel mpg and fuel mpg will remain negligible. I used about 55 litres for the same journey in my 2.4 litre toyota camry. if i do the maths, u spent 5100 naira on diesel (diesel at 170)and i spent 5300 naira(petrol at 97). Nigerians will embrace diesel, when subsidy is finally removed.

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Re: Why Do Nigerians Avoid Diesel Cars When Buying A Vehicle? by Specialist900(m): 3:51pm On Sep 24, 2013
Mlud: A real time review of diesel car ownership in NIG. We need more like this on this thread especially the challenges of running and maintaining the car daily.
@Eduu50 What are your real time comparisons with running a fairly similar petrol powered car?

Interesting choice of an Accord diesel. Any issues with the conversion from RHD being a Euro Accord? Any dash lights on?
Lots of suggestions about poor diesel quality. Has this been your experience?
poo diesel quality isn't as bad as they say it is if not all of the mikano generators would have packed up by now.

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Re: Why Do Nigerians Avoid Diesel Cars When Buying A Vehicle? by isgouton(m): 7:24pm On Sep 24, 2013
because of the nusle problem, so people shy away from it
Re: Why Do Nigerians Avoid Diesel Cars When Buying A Vehicle? by Eduu50(m): 7:48pm On Sep 24, 2013
Mlud: A real time review of diesel car ownership in NIG. We need more like this on this thread especially the challenges of running and maintaining the car daily.
@Eduu50 What are your real time comparisons with running a fairly similar petrol powered car?

Interesting choice of an Accord diesel. Any issues with the conversion from RHD being a Euro Accord? Any dash lights on?
Lots of suggestions about poor diesel quality. Has this been your experience?

Same car same capacity, the diesel clearly outclasses petrol in performance. I have asked colleagues that use similar cars on the same axis as meself and its fairly even, even though the diesel might just come out on top. This is my view though.

I have had the car for close too five months now, serviced twice and so far its been an experience. The guy did an excellent job with the conversion. The VSA warning light is ON though and I do not even know what to do about it. I have not had an issue with fuel quality, although I am quite choosy with fuel stations, I do feel its a known fact that diesel engines are more tolerant to variations in fuel quality.

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Re: Why Do Nigerians Avoid Diesel Cars When Buying A Vehicle? by lungwun(m): 2:16pm On Oct 01, 2013
Eduu50:

Same car same capacity, the diesel clearly outclasses petrol in performance. I have asked colleagues that use similar cars on the same axis as meself and its fairly even, even though the diesel might just come out on top. This is my view though.

I have had the car for close too five months now, serviced twice and so far its been an experience. The guy did an excellent job with the conversion. The VSA warning light is ON though and I do not even know what to do about it. I have not had an issue with fuel quality, although I am quite choosy with fuel stations, I do feel its a known fact that diesel engines are more tolerant to variations in fuel quality.

Hi there, where did you do this conversion? And are you abuja based?

I am thinking of converting a diesel powered car for my usage in abuja and mechanic suggestions would be well welcome.
Re: Why Do Nigerians Avoid Diesel Cars When Buying A Vehicle? by DaimlerBen(m): 7:50pm On Oct 01, 2013
I just watched a Top Gear video where Jeremy (for those who know him) was comparing a new model (not sure which year) BMW diesel 535d with a petrol 545i. Though not as fast around the bends on the track (it had a smaller-sized engine &, besides, who does slalom times on the road?), the diesel variant was more economical & even quieter than its petrol counterpart.

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Re: Why Do Nigerians Avoid Diesel Cars When Buying A Vehicle? by michaelala(m): 11:43am On Oct 03, 2013
I am yet to use a diesel fuelled vehicle bt I am dying to do so soon. The contributions of Eduu50 has helped me in reaching that conclusion.

Now I want to advice that for fairness sake and to really clear d air, let people that have or have used diesel vehicles talk about their experiences, either good or nasty.
Re: Why Do Nigerians Avoid Diesel Cars When Buying A Vehicle? by FindOut(m): 5:21pm On Oct 03, 2013
Daimler Ben: I just watched a Top Gear video where Jeremy (for those who know him) was comparing a new model (not sure which year) BMW diesel 535d with a petrol 545i. Though not as fast around the bends on the track (it had a smaller-sized engine &, besides, who does slalom times on the road?), the diesel variant was more economical & even quieter than its petrol counterpart.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fU4f_NwAfUs

Good one!

And if you notice, the most liked comment there was one asking why Clarkson didn't compare the 535d to a petrol 530i, both being 6 cylinder engines. From its performance as seen in that video, it's very likely that the 535d will trounce the petrol 530i in almost every respect. And I pretty sure that diesel engine, of course like it's petrol counterparts, would have been improved upon now.
Re: Why Do Nigerians Avoid Diesel Cars When Buying A Vehicle? by DaimlerBen(m): 7:10am On Oct 22, 2013
Re: Why Do Nigerians Avoid Diesel Cars When Buying A Vehicle? by DaimlerBen(m): 8:19am On Oct 22, 2013
Find Out!:


And if you notice, the most liked comment there was one asking why Clarkson didn't compare the 535d to a petrol 530i, both being 6 cylinder engines. From its performance as seen in that video, it's very likely that the 535d will trounce the petrol 530i in almost every respect. And I pretty sure that diesel engine, of course like it's petrol counterparts, would have been improved upon now.

Fastest production diesel car!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_XAc5JAapc
Re: Why Do Nigerians Avoid Diesel Cars When Buying A Vehicle? by DaimlerBen(m): 12:58am On Nov 21, 2013
U guys should prepare oh! Dis one dat Jonathan is managing to squeeze out NGN1.1trillion for ASUU, and with d coming election & it's consequent costs, dey wud want to recover d money back. Dat means total fuel subsidy removal in 2015 or after, which subsequently means dat diesel engine cars could b ur ONLY choice, if u like ya pockets. So prepare 2 trade petrol 4 diesel or sell ur cars 2 neighbouring countries!

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Re: Why Do Nigerians Avoid Diesel Cars When Buying A Vehicle? by ivoryhouse(m): 12:16am On Dec 26, 2013
Hello all, well spoken and argued. Can those using diesel cars in Nigeria share their experiences with us, so we may have a practical twist to this discussion. In few days I will buy a 2005 Land rover defender, and if its diesel, I am seriously considering buying a new petrol engine for it. I would really appreciate it if we shared some daily diesel experiences.
Thanks and merry Christmas
Re: Why Do Nigerians Avoid Diesel Cars When Buying A Vehicle? by Nobody: 12:38am On Dec 26, 2013
ivoryhouse: In few days I will buy a 2005 Land rover defender, and if its diesel, I am seriously considering buying a new petrol engine for it.

Your post suggests you haven't pulled the trigger on your purchase. It also suggests you have no idea what engine resides in the Defender you propose to buy, which I find particularly odd.

My advice would be to find out what engine type it has, and get one you'd be comfortable with. Rather than start ownership with a "conversion" in Nigeria, with all the uncertainty. Bear in mind, the petrol engine for a 2005 Landrover Defender 90/110 will be a 3.9 V8, and it runs sequential EFI.
Re: Why Do Nigerians Avoid Diesel Cars When Buying A Vehicle? by ivoryhouse(m): 1:38am On Dec 26, 2013
I have not inspected the car but will do that this weekend and pick up as soon as possible. I will need your help / counsel on this project. Thanks
Re: Why Do Nigerians Avoid Diesel Cars When Buying A Vehicle? by Nobody: 2:50pm On Jun 02, 2015
Diesel engines are expensive to maintain and the diesel fuel is expensive, its not just cars or trucks that use diesel, we have generators, ships, planes, and other heavy equipment that require diesel, such high demand commands a high price for diesel imagine 70 ltrs of diesel @155/litre = 10,850 naira, thats over 100ltrs for petrol.

The so called economy touted for diesel cars is based on a number of factors like how tuned the engine is and how it is driven ( ie if the diesel bought is not adulterated) people just copy whats done over seas without proper research, what is used there is mainly bio diesel, its almost transparent in color of greenish in nature its quite different from our dirty brown diesel we use here.

Bare in mind mechanics for diesel vehicles arent as readily available as petrol engines cos the principles on which both engines work is different and requires different approach., those of you who own diesel generators can attest to this fact.

We dont have bio diesels yet so any one opting for a diesel car will just have to make an extra budget to cater for the costs in running such vehicles.

On a personal note, I must say petrol engines are better for cars , they run quieter ( no rattling noise) , dont smoke any how, and are easier to maintain.
Re: Why Do Nigerians Avoid Diesel Cars When Buying A Vehicle? by kayoday(m): 5:45pm On Jun 02, 2015
I drive a 1999 Benz C200 CDI. I used 30 litres of diesel from Lagos to Asaba.
The major problem with diesel cars is bad diesel. You have to get good diesel else you have to change nozzles frequently.
Also difficult getting good hands to work on the engine when faulty.
Most mechanics and workshops avoid diesel engines like plague.
Re: Why Do Nigerians Avoid Diesel Cars When Buying A Vehicle? by gabng(m): 2:44am On Jun 03, 2015
kaeforum:
Diesel engines are expensive to maintain and the diesel fuel is expensive, its not just cars or trucks that use diesel, we have generators, ships, planes, and other heavy equipment that require diesel, such high demand commands a high price for diesel imagine 70 ltrs of diesel @155/litre = 10,850 naira, thats over 100ltrs for petrol.

The so called economy touted for diesel cars is based on a number of factors like how tuned the engine is and how it is driven ( ie if the diesel bought is not adulterated) people just copy whats done over seas without proper research, what is used there is mainly bio diesel, its almost transparent in color of greenish in nature its quite different from our dirty brown diesel we use here.

Bare in mind mechanics for diesel vehicles arent as readily available as petrol engines cos the principles on which both engines work is different and requires different approach., those of you who own diesel generators can attest to this fact.

We dont have bio diesels yet so any one opting for a diesel car will just have to make an extra budget to cater for the costs in running such vehicles.

On a personal note, I must say petrol engines are better for cars , they run quieter ( no rattling noise) , dont smoke any how, and are easier to maintain.

My God! Was this written by someone who thinks?
Re: Why Do Nigerians Avoid Diesel Cars When Buying A Vehicle? by Nobody: 11:22am On Jun 05, 2015
gabng:


My God! Was this written by someone who thinks?

I don't know what you mean, could you clarify?
Re: Why Do Nigerians Avoid Diesel Cars When Buying A Vehicle? by evergreen247: 8:57pm On Aug 04, 2015
kaeforum:


I don't know what you mean, could you clarify?
What do you understand by bio- diesel? do you know that diesel engine do run smoothly with vegetables oil ( cooking oil, even the one that has been used for food already). how about that compare with your so called adulterated?
Re: Why Do Nigerians Avoid Diesel Cars When Buying A Vehicle? by Nobody: 5:45pm On Aug 05, 2015
In reply to title of thread (2yes ago wink )

The only reason I'll avoid a diesel car in Nigeria because of poor quality diesel

I own a diesel generator
Re: Why Do Nigerians Avoid Diesel Cars When Buying A Vehicle? by adanny01(m): 8:32am On Aug 06, 2015
noxide:
In reply to title of thread (2yes ago wink )

The only reason I'll avoid a diesel car in Nigeria because of poor quality diesel

I own a diesel generator

Apart from diesel quality, experienced diesel car mechanics are no where to be found. With that situation, the available ones will be expensive and parts will be expensive and scarce.

My office has a 2002 Toyota Prado 3.0 diesel which accelerates like a V8. I love its strenghts and the fact that its full tank has a very long range.
Re: Why Do Nigerians Avoid Diesel Cars When Buying A Vehicle? by 9icetoo(m): 11:41pm On Sep 20, 2015
Just did a trip to lagos. Covered 670 kilometers from ph to lagos and used 32.78 liters of diesel. My range indicator showed i can be in ph on remaining fuel before car will sputter to a halt. When not stuck in traffic its more economical than petrol.
Re: Why Do Nigerians Avoid Diesel Cars When Buying A Vehicle? by lungwun(m): 9:51am On Sep 21, 2015
9icetoo:
Just did a trip to lagos. Covered 670 kilometers from ph to lagos and used 32.78 liters of diesel. My range indicator showed i can be in ph on remaining fuel before car will sputter to a halt. When not stuck in traffic its more economical than petrol.

Please, what car is this, and does it have a DPF?
Re: Why Do Nigerians Avoid Diesel Cars When Buying A Vehicle? by adanny01(m): 10:00am On Sep 21, 2015
lungwun:


Please, what car is this, and does it have a DPF?

I was going to ask same question.

Anyways, i think my 03 accord 2.4l can beat that in terms of cost of fuel.
Re: Why Do Nigerians Avoid Diesel Cars When Buying A Vehicle? by 9icetoo(m): 5:39pm On Sep 21, 2015
lungwun:


Please, what car is this, and does it have a DPF?
It's a 2006 skoda octavia with the 1.9Tdi engine. It thankfully doesn't have DPF (that stuff is giving my friend who owns an E90 nightmares). I drive carefully though and never exceeded 2500 rpm though this didn't really seem to affect MPG as my instantaneous MPG display showed. My display MPG at the end of my journey was 4.4L/100KM. Although i have figured it has an error of 0.6. So with that in mind, I know I actually did 5L/100KM which was spot on when i did the physical calculation.
Re: Why Do Nigerians Avoid Diesel Cars When Buying A Vehicle? by 9icetoo(m): 5:50pm On Sep 21, 2015
adanny01:


I was going to ask same question.

Anyways, i think my 03 accord 2.4l can beat that in terms of cost of fuel.
Unless your accord can do fifteen kilometers per litre which unfortunately it can't. Best it can do is approximately 12 Km/Litre grin. I presently buy diesel at 120 a litre. I filled my tank at N115 a litre at Iyana Itire in Lagos. It cost me N3934 to travel from PH to Lag. And will cost less to go back. I don't think the accord can beat that. My ex (camry 2.4L) does Ph to Lag with about 55 litres. At the present cost of fuel (N87), that's still more expensive at N4785.
Re: Why Do Nigerians Avoid Diesel Cars When Buying A Vehicle? by adanny01(m): 6:21pm On Sep 21, 2015
9icetoo:

Unless your accord can do fifteen kilometers per litre which unfortunately it can't. Best it can do is approximately 12 Km/Litre grin. I presently buy diesel at 120 a litre. I filled my tank at N115 a litre at Iyana Itire in Lagos. It cost me N3934 to travel from PH to Lag. And will cost less to go back. I don't think the accord can beat that. My ex (camry 2.4L) does Ph to Lag with about 55 litres. At the present cost of fuel (N87), that's still more expensive at N4785.

Oh i see. It will definitely not beat that. 55L is about what i would use to the trip.
Re: Why Do Nigerians Avoid Diesel Cars When Buying A Vehicle? by lungwun(m): 8:43am On Sep 22, 2015
9icetoo:

It's a 2006 skoda octavia with the 1.9Tdi engine. It thankfully doesn't have DPF (that stuff is giving my friend who owns an E90 nightmares). I drive carefully though and never exceeded 2500 rpm though this didn't really seem to affect MPG as my instantaneous MPG display showed. My display MPG at the end of my journey was 4.4L/100KM. Although i have figured it has an error of 0.6. So with that in mind, I know I actually did 5L/100KM which was spot on when i did the physical calculation.

Your friend could gut the DPF if he is in Nigeria as there are no rules to DPF's and Emissions in this country.
I am really considering a diesel E60.
Re: Why Do Nigerians Avoid Diesel Cars When Buying A Vehicle? by 9icetoo(m): 10:07am On Sep 22, 2015
lungwun:


Your friend could gut the DPF if he is in Nigeria as there are no rules to DPF's and Emissions in this country.
I am really considering a diesel E60.
His fear is that if he guts it and the ECU detects a problem with the DPF, engine power will be reduced. The ECU regularly reduces engine power once the DPF gets clogged to a certain level until he takes the car for a lengthy spin to burn off the soot.

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Re: Why Do Nigerians Avoid Diesel Cars When Buying A Vehicle? by BluePearls(m): 11:36pm On Sep 24, 2015
Guys ive got a diesel engine Chrysler Voyager 96' model and my mechanic (who i feel like killing right now) have almost sent me to hell and back! Just sent it to him for normal servicing and the man destroyed the car not to talk of the crazy monies he milked from me through servicing one issue or the other. Im a complete novice and i guess the mechanic doesnt know much about diesel engines too. After 3 weeks, i decided to take the vehicle from him, now the car cant start normally like before, requires the engine to be flushed with a little fuel and bigger battery to start it. A lot of black smoke when it eventually starts and also great heat in the engine area after few minutes running. Someone advised i change or service the nuzzles and injector, is that true? Anyways i went round Ladipo looking for replacement parts without luck, even a good diesel engine mechanic wasn't found. Can someone please recommend a good mechanic or a place i can solve the problems?

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