Enigma: ^^^^ See here https://www.nairaland.com/393253/rhapsody-realities-daily-devotional/9#8071513

The Giving That Stands You Out – Thursday April 7, 2011 – Pastor Chris

And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus, Having land sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles’ feet (Acts 4:36-37).

It’s impossible for a Christian who only gives his tithes and offerings to feel like an accomplished giver, but the Bible lets us know these aren’t enough. Your tithes for example belong to God, and He expects you to give them to Him anyway. The man who does otherwise is a robber: “Will a man rob God: Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings” (Malachi 3:8 ).

God is not a man (Numbers 23:19); He’s God. So you MUST give Him your tithes and your offerings, as God. Actually, you pay your tithe; you don’t give it, as you would your free-will offering. So your tithe is not a gift, because you don’t pay a gift. Your offering on the other hand isnt just a donation made to the Church, but a sacrifice offered to a divine being. God actually demanded for it in Exodus 23:15: “…None shall appear before Me empty-handed” (AMP).

So, beyond your tithes and giving your offerings, which are compulsory for every believer, you have to go the extra mile by getting financially involved in the spread of the Gospel. This type of giving is special because it isn’t a compulsion, but is done out of your love and commitment to the Gospel. 2 Corinthians 9:7 (AMP) says, “Let each one [give] as he has made up his own mind and purposed in his heart, not reluctantly or sorrowfully or under compulsion, for God loves (He takes pleasure in, prizes above other things, and is unwilling to abandon or to do without) a cheerful (joyous, “prompt to do it”) giver [whose heart is in his giving]. This is the giving that stands you out.”

Remember it’s in your interest and in your favour when you give to the Lord, for He has promised great returns and mighty harvest of blessings for the giver. So be sure to be counted among those who give financially towards the things of God. In our Ministry, we have several platforms through which we reach millions of souls around the world every day with the Gospel. Locate such opportunities and participate big-time. That’s how to get relevant in the Kingdom and make your life count.

Prayer
Dear Father, thank you for the available opportunities I have to give towards the work of the Kingdom today, realizing that they’ve been put in place for me to make my relevance and impact in world evangelism felt through my giving. Thank you Lord, for continuously increasing my capacity to give, in Jesus’ Name. Amen,

Further Study
Luke 8:2-3
And certain women, which had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities, Mary called Magdalene, out of whom went seven devils, And Joanna the wife of Chuza Herod's steward, and Susanna, and many others, which ministered unto him of their substance.

Daily Scripture Reading
1 Year Bible Luke 11:14-36
Reading plan Judges 3-4

2 Year Bible Matthew 27:55-66
Reading Plan Leviticus 7

Rhapsody of Realities Pastor Chris Oyakhilome
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Any time Joagbaje in particular talks his deceitful nonsense, shove this in his face.

Candour:

You see why your tithe mentors can't be trusted. In the book I mentioned, he stated that the principle works every time. Maybe he forgot what he wrote in the one I have. When was this one you're talking about published? The one I have was published in 1992. I'm sure this one you have is a more recent publication hence the revised promises.

Probably evidence has shown him that financial prosperity is not by tithing hence he has to remix it.

Anyway what about the devourer? Does it work all the time? Because Adeboye mentioned devourer can't be escaped. So what is your opinion on this?

Zikkyy:

Is the kingdom expansion interest similar to what oyaks is saying here....



...and this one below....



So for tithe to work you must give more than your tithe, damn! see 'milking' strategy so this is the secret ingredient image123 was talking about. Image123 kindly confirm please.

Demain_man: I think Pastor Joagbaje say no be malachi tithe him they pay yet his Oga @ the top is using same Malachi tithe to catch more customers

Joagbaje, over to you sir!

Image123:

i've explained this already. If i may add, nobody has the right to remove from God's Word or tell another christian not to teach from it.
Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Jo and Jo's pastor are free to teach from any scripture passage that they so desire. Wisdom is profitable to direct, kindly use it sir. We do not tithe because it is commanded under the law, tithe was given and accepted before Moses's father was born. Jesus said to give tithes.
Mat 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Jesus NEVER condemned or restrained any one from giving tithe. He even commended a poor woman giving ALL her living to the treasury.
Mar 12:43 And he called unto him his disciples, and saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That this poor widow hath cast more in, than all they which have cast into the treasury:
Mar 12:44 For all they did cast in of their abundance; but she of her want did cast in all that she had, even all her living.

None of the apostles condemned or spoke against tithing. the Holy Ghost did not forget.

Image123:

i've explained this already. If i may add, nobody has the right to remove from God's Word or tell another christian not to teach from it.
Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Jo and Jo's pastor are free to teach from any scripture passage that they so desire. Wisdom is profitable to direct, kindly use it sir. We do not tithe because it is commanded under the law, tithe was given and accepted before Moses's father was born. Jesus said to give tithes.
Mat 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Jesus NEVER condemned or restrained any one from giving tithe. He even commended a poor woman giving ALL her living to the treasury.
Mar 12:43 And he called unto him his disciples, and saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That this poor widow hath cast more in, than all they which have cast into the treasury:
Mar 12:44 For all they did cast in of their abundance; but she of her want did cast in all that she had, even all her living.

None of the apostles condemned or spoke against tithing. the Holy Ghost did not forget.

Candour:

Matt 24:1-3
'Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, [2] Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: [3] All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.'

The holy ghost didn't forget the above scripture too. Particularly the bolded. Do you obey it?

Image123:

Kindly go to this link nd read my comment on that. If you have questions on what i said, you can ask.
Short answer is YES by the way,

https://www.nairaland.com/1457950/matthew-23-message-lets-discuss

Image123:

i've explained this already. If i may add, nobody has the right to remove from God's Word or tell another christian not to teach from it.

Image123:

Kindly go to this link nd read my comment on that. If you have questions on what i said, you can ask.
Short answer is YES by the way,

https://www.nairaland.com/1457950/matthew-23-message-lets-discuss

Candour:

There are 613 laws that the Pharisees and scribes have derived from Moses. Here's just two of them

Lev 15:16
'And if any man's seed of copulation go out from him, then he shall wash all his flesh in water, and be unclean until the even'

The above law means if you have a seminal discharge, you're unclean until evening which means you can't enter the sanctuary until then among other prohibitions.

Deut 22:11
'Thou shalt not wear a garment of divers sorts, as of woollen and linen together.'

These are just 2 out of 613 laws. Do you obey them?

Goshen360: @ Image123,

Let's hear from you now, since you painting the 'church' (you, me & every other Christians around the world) as the 'storehouse' in Malachi, not the building or physical wall structure we meet together. The question to you is,

Is the church Christ died for and loved = to the storehouse of Malachi?

Also, a scripture or two that says\infer the question\answer will also do.

Enigma: ^^^ I'm sorry to say that you too are fast becoming an accuser --- with your false allegation against me.

Hence, I didn't even bother to reply your post.

Image123:

Sorry i do not recall my false allegation or even any allegation against YOU.

LordHaveMercy:

Sharap. Wolf in sheep clothing.

Deut 14:22-29
'Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year. [23] And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the Lord thy God always. [24] And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the Lord thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the Lord thy God hath blessed thee: [25] Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the Lord thy God shall choose: [26] And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the Lord thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household, [27] And the Levite that is within thy gates; thou shalt not forsake him; for he hath no part nor inheritance with thee. [28] At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates: [29] And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the Lord thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest.

https://www.nairaland.com/393253/rhapsody-realities-daily-devotional/9#8071513

The Giving That Stands You Out – Thursday April 7, 2011 – Pastor Chris

And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus, Having land sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles’ feet (Acts 4:36-37).

It’s impossible for a Christian who only gives his tithes and offerings to feel like an accomplished giver, but the Bible lets us know these aren’t enough. Your tithes for example belong to God, and He expects you to give them to Him anyway. The man who does otherwise is a robber: “Will a man rob God: Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings” (Malachi 3:8 ).

God is not a man (Numbers 23:19); He’s God. So you MUST give Him your tithes and your offerings, as God. Actually, you pay your tithe; you don’t give it, as you would your free-will offering. So your tithe is not a gift, because you don’t pay a gift. Your offering on the other hand isnt just a donation made to the Church, but a sacrifice offered to a divine being. God actually demanded for it in Exodus 23:15: “…None shall appear before Me empty-handed” (AMP).

So, beyond your tithes and giving your offerings, which are compulsory for every believer, you have to go the extra mile by getting financially involved in the spread of the Gospel. This type of giving is special because it isn’t a compulsion, but is done out of your love and commitment to the Gospel. 2 Corinthians 9:7 (AMP) says, “Let each one [give] as he has made up his own mind and purposed in his heart, not reluctantly or sorrowfully or under compulsion, for God loves (He takes pleasure in, prizes above other things, and is unwilling to abandon or to do without) a cheerful (joyous, “prompt to do it”) giver [whose heart is in his giving]. This is the giving that stands you out.”

Remember it’s in your interest and in your favour when you give to the Lord, for He has promised great returns and mighty harvest of blessings for the giver. So be sure to be counted among those who give financially towards the things of God. In our Ministry, we have several platforms through which we reach millions of souls around the world every day with the Gospel. Locate such opportunities and participate big-time. That’s how to get relevant in the Kingdom and make your life count.

Prayer
Dear Father, thank you for the available opportunities I have to give towards the work of the Kingdom today, realizing that they’ve been put in place for me to make my relevance and impact in world evangelism felt through my giving. Thank you Lord, for continuously increasing my capacity to give, in Jesus’ Name. Amen,

Further Study
Luke 8:2-3
And certain women, which had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities, Mary called Magdalene, out of whom went seven devils, And Joanna the wife of Chuza Herod's steward, and Susanna, and many others, which ministered unto him of their substance.

Daily Scripture Reading
1 Year Bible Luke 11:14-36
Reading plan Judges 3-4

2 Year Bible Matthew 27:55-66
Reading Plan Leviticus 7

Rhapsody of Realities Pastor Chris Oyakhilome
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Image123: i think it better to ignore this, as i know my NL folks. They do not discuss objectively but prefer personal attacks. the next thing now is for them to go and look for something 'terrible' that the man did or said to fight any truth he might have said. Its the illness of attacking the messenger instead of the message.

i think you guys are missing it. You cannot exempt people from quoting scriptures or teaching or exhorting from scriptures, any part. ALL Scripture is given by divine inspiration including Malachi 3v9,10 and is PROFITABLE for doctrine, instruction etc. A preacher can preach from any portion of the Bible. You cannot just say "Oh, he's quoting Haggai or Esther or Leviticus, he is living under the law". There are profitable things to learn from every part of the Bible. Here on NL, we are answering based on questions, which context is different from general teaching or exhortation.

We say we give/pay tithes, antitithers say tithe is from the law. The obvious answer that tithe was before the law. However, there are lessons we can learn and even practices we can emulate from any portion of the Bible, with considerations to the perspective of God and of His Son Jesus.

Each teacher or pastor teaches according to the understanding or light that he has. It is okay for Oyakhilome to instruct his members/followers in line with what God has revealed to him from scriptures. It is God that can judge him on that, not man. i do not agree with everything he has said, but i could very well say that for any man. Even husband and wife, siblings do not agree with everything the other person has to say on a particular issue. But does that make him a thief or a fake or any of the other derogatory names that antitithers like to call us?

Oyakhilome said this also, do you agree with it? "This type of giving is special because it isn’t a compulsion, but is done out of your love and commitment to the Gospel. 2 Corinthians 9:7 (AMP) says, “Let each one [give] as he has made up his own mind and purposed in his heart, not reluctantly or sorrowfully or under compulsion, for God loves (He takes pleasure in, prizes above other things, and is unwilling to abandon or to do without) a cheerful (joyous, “prompt to do it”) giver [whose heart is in his giving]. This is the giving that stands you out.”

You can see that these pastors are not claiming that tithing is the fix it all. There is an 'extra mile'. Tithing you ought to do, but not leave the other undone as it were. All in all, i'd rather we deal personally and with the Bible in our hands than making reference to an individual's church or pastor.

debosky: No amount of claiming scripture is profitable for doctrine will ever justify twisted teaching.

Mark Miwerds:

Amen, Debosky!

The proper teaching from Malachi 3 should be that Malachi was referring to a tithe of crops and livestock... not money.
The proper teaching from Malachi 3 should be that the curse associated with not tithing was locusts and withholding of rain.
The proper teaching from Malachi 3 should be that the blessings associated with tithing was rain from heaven and withholding the locust from eating the crops... bringing about a bountiful harvest... not more money, better job, good health, close-knit family, etc..
The proper teaching from Malachi 3 is that it was written to Israel, not to the Church. The Church was not robbing God... the Priests of Israel were.

Chris Oyakhilome clearly distorts the proper teaching of Malachi 3, turning the rebuke and exhortation into something that God never said.

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Lekewatt: Make all of una sharrap jor. U are not compelled 2 pay ur tithe. U only do so because u are either brought up dt way or ur guts tells u 2. Wat's da fuss?

debosky:

I would be lying if I said I wasn't disappointed by your response here. Who attacked the messenger? It is simply incontrovertible evidence that shows that the claims of many about ‘tithing like Abram’ is simply false. This is evidence of a large church and how it teaches tithing.

Again I am disappointed. No one is saying you can’t use Malachi to teach - it is how you use it to teach that matters here. All scripture is profitable for doctrine yes - but does that mean you can twist scripture any way you want simply because it can be used for doctrine?

No it wasn’t anti-tithers that said it was from the law - in this example it was Pastor Chris - he taught that it was compulsory, and calls those that don’t robbers. Is that a case of ‘lessons we can learn’ or ‘practises we can emulate’ or plain and simply calling those who don’t tithe robbers? Again I am disappointed.

You would rather avoid addressing the issues here under the vacuous claim that people will go into personal attacks. Is ‘protecting’ the messenger from ‘attacks’ more important than speaking the truth?

Enough of your equivocation - Pastor Chris calls those who don’t tithe robbers. It wasn’t anti-tithers who made that claim. Who is calling who derogatory names then? To say it is simply a case of you don’t agree with any man on everything is a laughable excuse - this isn’t some general discussion on whether we agree with each other on everything - it is a specific discussion about tithe.

What is your stand on the commentary by Pastor Chris? Do you agree non-tithers are robbers or not?

So it is okay to reference the aspects you agree with but leave out the bone of contention itself - the aspect talking about tithe? Why even bother responding at all? You might as well avoid all tithe discussions if you choose not to engage with the subject of discussion.

The central issue here is not the fix it all aspect - it is whether it is required/compulsory, and it means for those who don’t tithe. Your attempts to make every response here about ‘fix it all’ is not helpful at all and appears to be an attempt to move away from what the subject matter of this thread.

This thread is talking about how people are being deceived by wrong teaching of Malachi - no one (as far as I know) has said Malachi should be removed from the bible or not taught from - the issue is, as always, understanding the teaching in context. No amount of claiming scripture is profitable for doctrine will ever justify twisted teaching.

Image123: You should re-read what i wrote. i didn't say that anyone was attacking the messenger. i was being general about what people will do after i responded to the quote. Enigma made the same mistake anyway(when he said i was making allegations), no problems.

The quoted devotional shows almost nothing. The man quoted many scriptures, and tithing was not even his main point or issue. People can teach from any scriptures. A preacher can teach about righteousness from Daniel. that doesn't mean that the preacher's righteousness is based on the law since Daniel lived in that age. That someone references to tithe and quotes Malachi or any other scripture does not automatically prove that such a person is under the law. Jesus taught people about Himself from OT scriptures AFTER resurrection. Many folks would have told Him that He was twisting and manipulating scriptures.

How should it be used to teach, and how was it used?

The man said nothing about the law. Again, you ought to have read that i stated that i do not agree with everything he said. i'll leave that at that. You know what i teach.

The issues in the article/devotional are that Pastor Chris is talking about a giving that he says is more important than the tithe. A giving that is expected to stand one out. He, like Oyedepo has shown that tithing is not a fix it all,contrary to what some antitithers have been feeding us. What other issues do you want addressed? You are here and i am here. pastor Chris is not here. Why discuss him and whatever he has to say? Is he the issue here? i'm not protecting him, just not interested in discussing him. Even Jo knows i'm not that shy, Enigma should as well. i'd rather discuss what the Bible says than what so and so said, especially when so and so is not available to explain or defend himself.

i was specific enough to state that i do not agree with everything pastor Chris said in that article. its not equivocation or a laughable excuse, it is a fact that applies to all.

i believe that if anyone does not give God everything, not just a tenth, he or she is a robber. that is, if you givejust 10%, you are a robber. If you give just 95%, you are a robber. the revelation i have is that God owns it all, so keeping any from Him is robbery. But i do not go about teaching that. i'm not the Judge, neither was i told to teach that. There are things one may know or have light on and never teach. Scriptures talk of speaking to a particular people as unto babes. there were somethings Paul never told them. it was bigger than they could here. It would not edify them but perhaps condemn them. Hebrews talks of wanting to give meat but not being able.

You know what i teach on the issue of tithes, [s]there is no point trying to get me to make enmies with pastor Chris na[/s]

i thought the whole quote from pastor Chris was the subject of discussion. We were encouraged to shove it in people's faces or something like that. Allow me to shove it oh. So you agree with this part too ba? This was what i was saying, this was the subject of discussion between myself, zikky and candour. i was telling them that tithe was not always preached as a fix it all, and they were trying to ridicule oyedepo, then Enigma brought this from Pastor Chris.

Zikkyy:

so you are now Rockefeller the second, how come we don't know you?

Uche ernest: u dn't ve to knw me, take it or leave it.. Tithe works, if u dn't want to adhere to covenant practice' dnt, if u want to then obey. Bt i tell you this the secret for lasting wealth(generational) is tithing.. How i wish u read the right books.

Uche ernest: u dn't ve to knw me, take it or leave it.. Tithe works, if u dn't want to adhere to covenant practice' dnt, if u want to then obey. Bt i tell you this the secret for lasting wealth(generational) is tithing.. How i wish u read the right books.

christemmbassey: If don't pay tithe, i'll go to hell? I never heard anything MORE FOOLISH than this, u tin say i b ya church member? Bros, u dnn miss road big time.

Mark Miwerds: Covenant practice?

Where in the Bible does it say that tithing of money is a "Covenant practice"?

The only time tithing is done under a "covenant" in the Bible is in the Old Testament. That "tithe" was of crops and livestock... not money.

God's "covenant with Abram was not until AFTER Abram's tithe to Melchizedek, not before. His tithe was not part of a "covenant."

I suggest that you are the one who needs to "read the right books" to get a better understanding of tithes, not Zikky.