Mark Miwerds:
Oyedepo's book is contrary to God's promise. For instance, you say that in his book he does not tell you that tithing works all of the time. This of coruse, is contrary to God's promise and malign's God's character.

In Malachi, God said, "Prove me." How is it "proving God" when one tithes and He does not fulfill His promise that He gave for those who tithe? Such a god who does not always keep His promises is not to be trusted.

The God of the Bible is faithful to keep His promises.

Get Oyedepo's book? No thank you. Why would I want a book that tells me that God requires tithes of His people? Oyedepo is revealed to be a liar just trying to get more money out of the gullible masses through the sales of his book.

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Mark Miwerds: I already know what Spirit is in charge in my life. It is the Spirit of Truth.

Unlike the spirits that motivate money-driven tithe teachers; i.e., greed, deception, etc..

Pastor Kun:

You are very correct as Jesus Christ rightly said they are worshipping mammon.

Mark Miwerds: Oyedepo, in his book, said that God will give you divine protection when you tithe.

Must've been God's day off the day mother fell and broke her back. And to think she had been tithing faithfully for more than half a century.

I sound angry? I am. And I should be when preachers such as Oyedepo lie to people in order to extort money from them.

Mark Miwerds: just saw a disturbing video of that lying money hungry Oyedepo slapping a young woman in one of his services. And the congregation applauses such actions? Amazing! Deceived and being deceived they are.

birdman:

There is no need to abuse the man. It is possible to be led of God and not have all your doctrine in order - after all he is human. Blame the Christians who refuse to apply the Berean test to what they hear. Like the Bible says, the Spirit (not Oyedepo) teaches you all things. Oyedepo is supposed to be confirmation to what you receive by study, not the other way round.

birdman:

There is no need to abuse the man. It is possible to be led of God and not have all your doctrine in order - after all he is human. Blame the Christians who refuse to apply the Berean test to what they hear. Like the Bible says, the Spirit (not Oyedepo) teaches you all things. Oyedepo is supposed to be confirmation to what you receive by study, not the other way round.

Image123:
Don't know where you got such gospel, hopefully it is not a figment of the antitither's imagination. Oyedepo for instance does.kt tell you that tithing works all the time. Read one little book he wrote "The hidden covenants of blessings". He says in EVERY chapter of the book that tithing alone is not enough.

chy22:
And why does he need a booklet written by your greedy pastors, when the bible is there for all.

flexshop: [b]I don't Normally comment on the religion section but has any of you people noticed the type of lifestyle our so called religious leaders live?
In all Of the Old and New testament, did anyone ever hear of Elijah or paul or Elisha or john the baptist or Enoch or any of christs disciples own houses and horses and chariots?
I have come to realise that when christ said if anyone wants to be my disciple,he must forgo worldly things,pick up his cross and follow me?
Or don't pastors who fleece their congregation and become billionaires and stupendously rich forget the verse that says that it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven?isn't their own primary aim to make heaven also?
Honestly, church business is big business.I personally would have loved the free tithe money and others but woe betide these MEN who make money in the name of God, it would be better for them if the had not been born.Instead of me to steal Gods money, I rather steal from man.
Anyday I see any wealthy pastor who owns cars and property, I know immediately that the person is not of God. The Life of ministry is a service to God and man devoid of any comfort, yes read my lips if you claim to be a MAN OF GOD, devoid of all comfort. When jesus sent his disciples out to preach, he even told them not to carry anything just their sandlas and stick.
Judgement Day will be terrible.
I pity and feel very sorry when I see them living large in the name of my God is not a poor God.I don't envy them I just pity them because their own damnation will be twice[/b]

Image123:

i love and appreciate simplicity and moderation. However, the benchmark for a man's life is NOT the abundance of things he possesses. You are using a minor percentage of pastors to judge/condemn the tithe. Not many pastors are very rich. There are churches that practice tithing and their pastors are not 'wealthy'. God's word should be the basis for doctrine, not some minor percentage's experience. BTW, i verily doubt that tithes is the reason for any pastors wealth. There are people that give far above tithes. People give cars, clothes, jewels and other material things. People vow and pledge and give whole salaries and billions and millions and firstfruits and othwr offerings. Mysteriously, tithe is the only culprit , the scape goat. This says a lot for the blindness and misguided zeal of the antitither.

Mark Miwerds: Oyedepo, in his book, said that God will give you divine protection when you tithe.

Must've been God's day off the day mother fell and broke her back. And to think she had been tithing faithfully for more than half a century.

I sound angry? I am. And I should be when preachers such as Oyedepo lie to people in order to extort money from them.

DrummaBoy:

So it is from Oyedepo that Image123 and his crew are getting their revelations on tithing. No wonder. I have stopped contributing to these debates bc it is so obvious there is something wrong with those who hold on tenaciously to tithing despite having been shown otherwise. I wish them all the best in their pursuit, worship and followership of Oyedepo and his heretical teachings.

Image123:
My mention of Oyedepo(for those that see without bias and hypocrisy) was to rebut and correct zukky's presumptuous claims that there is a pastor gospel that says that tithe will work everytime or something like that. i opened showed and quoted Oyedepo stating otherwise. i know him to be one of the major pastors whose church practices tithing in Nigeria and he is a model to many others. Instead of you all to eat humble pie like zokkyy, you're hear talking rubbish about worshipping Oyedepo. Next time, don't go making bogus unfounded claims.

Uche ernest: All these anti-tithers, the truth is, if u dn't want to pay tithe, simply dn't pay, anybody force you to pay? As for me i go continue to pay my tithe & offerings, E Dey work. If u no wan pay dey dia...u get sense pass sam walton, john d rockefeller etc.

Zikkyy:

which one be humble pie? Am still waiting for you to provide the secret ingredients stated in oyedepo's little book. You know am not willing to fund oyedepo's next pj so I will not be buying the book. I decided to abandon your case here since you were not willing to share.

Image123:

Humble pie in the sense that you kept quiet about making ridiculous claims of a pastors gospel that tithe works all the time. i've given what you need, that is a popular tithe preaching pastor, stating in every chapter of his book that tithe does not work all the time. It's not a magic thing. Knowledge is power, do not settle for ignorance when you can be exposed to knowledge. It is very convenient to read or listen to nothing, and yet make ridiculous claims about pastors. Talk is cheap, truth is not. There are many ways to get access to a book asides buying it. Plus, its a small book. By now, with all the ten percent you've been hoarding, you should be able to afford a little book.

Mark Miwerds: Oyedepo's statement that "tithing does not work all of the time" should open the eyes of those who are being taught to tithe.

The fact that Oyedepo says that tithing does not always work proves that the tithing he is teaching is not the tithe of the Bible. God said in His Word that if the tithe was given, He would bless. He did not say, "I might bless." Nor did He say, "You may or may not receive blessings." No, God promised blessings. God is faithful who promised.

Obviously, the god that Oyedepo is promoting does not make the same promises the God of the Bible does.

Image123:

Can i inform you that nothing works all the time, as it were. We are not discussing magic where you simply say "Hakakula" and the door opens irrespective of who or when it is said. Prayer does not work all the time. Giving does not work all the time. The name of Jesus does not work all the time(like the sons of Sceva showed us). And on and on. There are factors attached. Christianity is a life and relationship with God. Not some flash me prosperity quickie. i guess that's what you think it is, its why you feel so stunned and angry that it did not work that way for your mum. The Bible is complete and connected. It should not be disjointedly read or cherry picked. Like i usually tell Gosh and your other new friends, there is a cumulative understanding, not a fragmented one.

Mark Miwerds: in other words, you see God as a liar. I understand.

God said, "prove me, and I will." But you and Oyedepo teach "Prove God, and HE might."

Image123:

In other words, you are on the road to atheism?

Image123:

i love and appreciate simplicity and moderation. However, the benchmark for a man's life is NOT the abundance of things he possesses. You are using a minor percentage of pastors to judge/condemn the tithe. Not many pastors are very rich. There are churches that practice tithing and their pastors are not 'wealthy'. God's word should be the basis for doctrine, not some minor percentage's experience. BTW, i verily doubt that tithes is the reason for any pastors wealth. There are people that give far above tithes. People give cars, clothes, jewels and other material things. People vow and pledge and give whole salaries and billions and millions and firstfruits and othwr offerings. Mysteriously, tithe is the only culprit, the scape goat. This says a lot for the blindness and misguided zeal of the antitither.

Image123:

Humble pie in the sense that you kept quiet about making ridiculous claims of a pastors gospel that tithe works all the time. i've given what you need, that is a popular tithe preaching pastor, stating in every chapter of his book that tithe does not work all the time. It's not a magic thing. Knowledge is power, do not settle for ignorance when you can be exposed to knowledge. It is very convenient to read or listen to nothing, and yet make ridiculous claims about pastors. Talk is cheap, truth is not. There are many ways to get access to a book asides buying it. Plus, its a small book. By now, with all the ten percent you've been hoarding, you should be able to afford a little book.

Image123:

Can i inform you that nothing works all the time, as it were. We are not discussing magic where you simply say "Hakakula" and the door opens irrespective of who or when it is said. Prayer does not work all the time. Giving does not work all the time. The name of Jesus does not work all the time(like the sons of Sceva showed us). And on and on. There are factors attached. Christianity is a life and relationship with God. Not some flash me prosperity quickie. i guess that's what you think it is, its why you feel so stunned and angry that it did not work that way for your mum. The Bible is complete and connected. It should not be disjointedly read or cherry picked. Like i usually tell Gosh and your other new friends, there is a cumulative understanding, not a fragmented one.

truthislight:

Yes, with prayers, God can say both yes or no to ones request as he did with apostle paul request for his health issues, and it is recorded for our instruction.

But for that of tithing, God said: "test me out and see, if i will not bless you"........
So, no excuse here. Tithe works all the time!

If the tithe that Oyadegpo is collecting does not work all the time and has never worked for some people, then, it is either, God does not accept it or asked for it, or it is a violation for christian to pay tithe and that should have made him(Oyedegpo) to reconsider and know that something is wrong, but, that he still insist and dishes out a curse for those not paying tithes shows he is either not a honest person or he is a FRAUD STAR.

He is then making people poorer and lazy, people looking forward to a promised blessing that will never come to pass.

There is no place in the bible that tithe did not work, except a refusal to pay it leads to low harvest.

If he does not repent, God is watching him.