TV01: Well done to TG & RR for organising and moderating. And of course to our impartial panel of judges

Some questions for our moderators;

A.
Evidence: This has been cited as a basis - if only in part - for being awarded marks. However, I think we need to consider this carefully. many studies, most especially in the social sciences are often biased and undertaken with an ideologically based outcome in mind. It is often said that social science is not science.

Let me give a couple of examples;

1. Pharmaceutical companies sponsoring studies of drugs they sell. Enough said (and that is actually real science).

2. A study claiming 2 same gender parents raise children as well or better than two opposite sex parents. We are all "NetWise". A search for numerous studies for or against that notion will return in about 0.001 seconds. I don't believe quoting or lifting points from a web search is a debating skill.

Rather the skill is in articulating why one is for or against a point/position. Marshalling an argument and appealing to ones audience with experience, sound analysis and cogent points.

Tgirl4real:

Thanks for the questions. I will leave the judges to answer question A.

Actually, Tgirl, I believe you or RR are the ones to answer this question since the judges did not choose evidence as a scoring criteria. I believe what TV is saying is that evidence shouldn't be such a significant contributor to the overall score and more emphasis should be placed on the bolded.

Thanks.

ileobatojo:



Actually, Tgirl, I believe you or RR are the ones to answer this question since the judges did not choose evidence as a scoring criteria. I believe what TV is saying is that evidence shouldn't be such a significant contributor to the overall score and more emphasis should be placed on the bolded.

Thanks.

Exactly. Must the debaters pick points from a web search? Pls, they should remove ''evidence'' as part of the criteria.

Tgirl, Ignore the previous mail(Incomplete). I sent another one

xynerise: Tgirl, Ignore the previous mail(Incomplete). I sent another one

Are you contestant no 4?

alutacontinua:

Are you contestant no 4?

Lol. Why would I be sending mail then?

xynerise:
Lol. Why would I be sending mail then?

Ok...you're contestant 10

alutacontinua:

Ok...you're contestant 10

Nah!

pickabeau1: contestant 5 wrote 2 essays.. his own and his link to Siena's

Please give him a harder topic to argue for. it seems the argument against spanking is too easy sef

It is not easy.

It can be easily floored.

ileobatojo:



Actually, Tgirl, I believe you or RR are the ones to answer this question since the judges did not choose evidence as a scoring criteria. I believe what TV is saying is that evidence shouldn't be such a significant contributor to the overall score and more emphasis should be placed on the bolded.

Thanks.

I won't be scoring na Ile.

U guys should discuss it. Lol.

Well, let the judges can use their discretion.

Happy Sunday to you all.

Sagamite:

It is not easy.

It can be easily floored.

Floored how..... modernism n political correctness have thrown spanking to the dogs

pickabeau1:
Floored how..... modernism n political correctness have thrown spanking to the dogs

By comparing outcomes, destroying misinformation arguments and throwing dysphemism to the dogs.

Funky always sounds and looks nice (modernised and politically correct), but it does not always get you the best or nice outcomes.

You can have a look at my arguments on the page of this thread to understand further:

https://www.nairaland.com/1118061/buharis-first-daughter-zulai-dead/9#13206732

Tgirl4real:

Okay.

RESULTS

1st - Contestant 5 - 109 points
2nd - Contestant 6 - 96 points
3rd - Contestant 9 - 91 pts
4th - Contestant 8 - 84pts
5th - Contestant 3 - 83 pts
6th - Contestant 7 - 71 pts
6th - Contestant 1 - 71 pts
8th - Contestant 10 - 63 pts
9th - Contestant 4 - 59 pts

thanks

Pick and Sagamite, what are we talking about? Lol

What is the maximum obtainable score?

cool tete-a-tete between you and jakumo

i like the new rules which splits against and for into equal camps

Allows for proper contrast of views

Sagamite:

By comparing outcomes, destroying misinformation arguments and throwing dysphemism to the dogs.

Funky always sounds and looks nice (modernised and politically correct), but it does not always get you the best or nice outcomes.

You can have a look at my arguments on the page of this thread to understand further:

https://www.nairaland.com/1118061/buharis-first-daughter-zulai-dead/9#13206732

I hope all the contestants and Judges are warming up.

Yes oh, let's get started.

@ Tgirl exactly how many queries are there at rebuttal stage? 3 or 5?

Tgirl4real: I hope all the contestants and Judges are warming up.

Present

Lerrie John: @ Tgirl exactly how many queries are there at rebuttal stage? 3 or 5?

We are on Plan B, so it's 3.

Each group have 20mins for their rebuttal.

Tgirl4real:

We are on Plan B, so it's 3.

Each group have 20mins for their rebuttal.

Alright.

TV01: Well done to TG & RR for organising and moderating. And of course to our impartial panel of judges

Some questions for our moderators;

A.
Evidence: This has been cited as a basis - if only in part - for being awarded marks. However, I think we need to consider this carefully. many studies, most especially in the social sciences are often biased and undertaken with an ideologically based outcome in mind. It is often said that social science is not science.

Let me give a couple of examples;

1. Pharmaceutical companies sponsoring studies of drugs they sell. Enough said (and that is actually real science).

2. A study claiming 2 same gender parents raise children as well or better than two opposite sex parents. We are all "NetWise". A search for numerous studies for or against that notion will return in about 0.001 seconds. I don't believe quoting or lifting points from a web search is a debating skill.

Rather the skill is in articulating why one is for or against a point/position. Marshalling an argument and appealing to ones audience with experience, sound analysis and cogent points.

Excellent question. What I personally assess as evidence is where claims made are supported in a meaningful and intelligent way to draw useful insights, not as a source of a binary yes or no. It's more directed at differentiating between pure opinion and a well researched and thought through position. It doesn't need to be drawn from social science per se, but a convincing argument will need to appeal beyond the debater's own views and evidence is one way to do that.

Bias is almost inevitable in social science I agree, but it's likely present in any evidence produced so shouldn't unduly favour either the pro or opposing argument.

Take for example, someone stating that homes where women working earn 150k naira more (per month? per year?) to support his argument for shared responsibilities but providing no evidence to back it up. That statement will result in a low score for evidence (even if valid/true) as it's not an obvious conclusion the average reader will come to.

Shouldn't the debate have started 20 minutes ago or am I mistaken on start time?

Sorry guys. Internet issues.

Posting now.

@Tgirl. How can Contestant 5 take on 6 when they are both arguing for the topic?

Too many supporters of pre marital sex..similar arguments

xynerise: @Tgirl. How can Contestant 5 take on 6 when they are both arguing for the topic?

I noticed too. Too late to start changing position, so the judges will question you. In the absence of no questions, you have the opportunity to post new points.

Thanks.

Kai,I for debate for just this topic Kpekus before marriage - Gbam!

All the contestants proposing the motion seem to have copied each other. Same line of argument.

Contestant 5 your refrences plenty pass your debate gan.

E no easy sha.Una welldone.

ifyalways: Contestant 5 your refrences plenty pass your debate gan.

E no easy sha.Una welldone.

lol

Where is everybody na? My Eba dey cold o

What's happening now? It's like every one's gone