"Adam didn't die the day God said he would!"

He certainly did. He died spiritually. The moment he sinned, he became "dead in trespasses and sins" (Ephesians 2:1). Ezekiel 18:4 says, "The soul that sins, it shall die." It is because we are born spiritually dead that Jesus came to give us spiritual life (John 5:40; 10:10; 14:6; etc.). This is why Jesus told us that we must be born again (John 3:3). When we repent of our sins and believe in Jesus Christ, the Bible tells us that we "pass from death to life" (see John 5:24; Romans 6:13; 1 John 3:14).

"Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart" (Ephesians 4:18) The Evidence Bible.

"The soul that sins, it shall die" (Ezekiel 18:4).

This law was existence even before we came to know the Mosaic law, the law of sin and death that Adam brought upon us but thanks be to the last Adam who has set us free and brought us under the law of the Spirit of Christ which has set us free from the spirit of the law of sin and death.

OLAADEGBU:

"Adam didn't die the day God said he would!"

He certainly did. He died spiritually. The moment he sinned, he became "dead in trespasses and sins" (Ephesians 2:1). Ezekiel 18:4 says, "The soul that sins, it shall die." It is because we are born spiritually dead that Jesus came to give us spiritual life (John 5:40; 10:10; 14:6; etc.). This is why Jesus told us that we must be born again (John 3:3). When we repent of our sins and believe in Jesus Christ, the Bible tells us that we "pass from death to life" (see John 5:24; Romans 6:13; 1 John 3:14).

"Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart" (Ephesians 4:18) The Evidence Bible.

When New Age followers say, 'I am God," rather than revealing their delusions of grandeur, they are revealing their darkened understanding of their concept of God. The god of this world has blinded their minds. If, in their ignorance, sinners continually harden their hearts against the truth of God, they will eventually be unable to feel the Holy Spirit's conviction, and will be given over to a life of sin (Romans 1:21-24).

Good and uplifting article. If Adam didn't die, and subsequently all men dying in Adam, God would be a liar and Christ as second\last Adam will mean nonsense.

However, we understand the redemptive truth that, by one man, all men became sinners because all was 'in' Adam when he sinned. But much more, we understand that, it was reversed and undone in one man's obedience and all 'in' Christ are put right again with God, becoming righteous through and in Christ.

OLAADEGBU: "Adam didn't die the day God said he would!"

He certainly did. He died spiritually. The moment he sinned, he became "dead in trespasses and sins" (Ephesians 2:1). Ezekiel 18:4 says, "The soul that sins, it shall die." It is because we are born spiritually dead that Jesus came to give us spiritual life (John 5:40; 10:10; 14:6; etc.). This is why Jesus told us that we must be born again (John 3:3). When we repent of our sins and believe in Jesus Christ, the Bible tells us that we "pass from death to life" (see John 5:24; Romans 6:13; 1 John 3:14).

"Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart" (Ephesians 4:18) The Evidence Bible.

"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, you shall not eat of it: for in the day that you eat thereof you shall surely die" (Genesis 2:17).

Skeptics maintain that Adam didn't die that day. He certainly did. Death entered him; "As by one man sin entered the world, and death by sin...." Also, it must be remembered that the scriptures inform us that a day to the Lord is a thousand years to us (2 Peter 3:8 ). Adam died at the age of 930 years (Genesis 5:5).

Hogwash! Loads of bull crap.

scaler345:

Hogwash! Loads of bull crap.

Have you got your facts to back up your case or is this just an emotional outburst?

OLAADEGBU:

Have you got your facts to back up your case or is this just an emotional outburst?

Emotional ke? At least I've heard 3 different interpretations to every single verses in d Bible. Are you xtians confused or your Holy Spirit is kinda giving you diverse interpretations to ur scriptures? It clearly says 'on d day u eat out of that tree, u'll die' am I missing something?

scaler345:

Emotional ke? At least I've heard 3 different interpretations to every single verses in d Bible. Are you xtians confused or your Holy Spirit is kinda giving you diverse interpretations to ur scriptures? It clearly says 'on d day u eat out of that tree, u'll die' am I missing something?

You've got 3 different interpretations? That's where your confusion lies. The day Adam sinned, God's warning that he would die began to come true. In Hebrew language, the expression ''you shall die'' actually means ''dying you shall die'' - in other words, a process of dying was to start.

Science has discovered that death is a process that starts at conception. Within every cell, at the end of the DNA, are small pieces called telemeres. At each division of the cell a telemere is lost. Eventually all the telemere are gone, and the cell dies. The phrase ''Dying you shall die'' is technically fulfilled.

Hmmm.... Come to think of it, all creatures die. Either human, animals, plants etc. I bet whola dem ate of the tree, right? If u just take a step farther in your thinking, u'll realise that all living things die. Thanks.

scaler345:

Hmmm.... Come to think of it, all creatures die. Either human, animals, plants etc. I bet whola dem ate of the tree, right? If u just take a step farther in your thinking, u'll realise that all living things die. Thanks.

Man created in the image of God wasn't meant to die.

OLAADEGBU:

Man created in the image of God wasn't meant to die.

Common, spare me this. U should check out the hebrew word used for souls for both human and animals before our scribes do ojoro for d mata. Anyway, I'm mobile now, I think u n I gotta have a little discussion later. Bookmark tins! Stay blessed.

Goshen360: Good and uplifting article. If Adam didn't die, and subsequently all men dying in Adam, God would be a liar and Christ as second\last Adam will mean nonsense.

However, we understand the redemptive truth that, by one man, all men became sinners because all was 'in' Adam when he sinned. But much more, we understand that, it was reversed and undone in one man's obedience and all 'in' Christ are put right again with God, becoming righteous through and in Christ.

Thanks for that though.

God's time and that of humans are not the same since God's throne is not on planet earth and he God does not make use of the same sun with human and the sun is the means of time calculation for man but not God.

But the bible tells us that God's one day is this :

"For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night." (Psalm 90:4).
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Maybe that verse is a lie.

But we know that Adam lived for 930yrs, less than a day befor God that made that statement.

So, from the bible, Adam died the same day he ate the fruit.

OLAADEGBU:

You've got 3 different interpretations? That's where your confusion lies. The day Adam sinned, God's warning that he would die began to come true. In Hebrew language, the expression ''you shall die'' actually means ''dying you shall die'' - in other words, a process of dying was to start.

Science has discovered that death is a process that starts at conception. Within every cell, at the end of the DNA, are small pieces called telemeres. At each division of the cell a telemere is lost. Eventually all the telemere are gone, and the cell dies. The phrase ''Dying you shall die'' is technically fulfilled.

Ooh. Sharrap !

OLAADEGBU:

Man created in the image of God wasn't meant to die.

Thats ^ the only truth you have said in the whole of this your thread.

God's
"For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night." (Psalm 90:4).
...........

Maybe that verse is a lie.

But we know that Adam lived for 930, less than a day befor God that made that statement.

So, from the bible, Adam died the same day he ate the fruit.
[/quote] Will u guys stop quoting the above verse? From the little we know from science, such argument is stale.

scaler345: Will u guys stop quoting the above verse? From the little we know from science, such argument is stale.

care to explain how God that live outside of our solar system makes use of the same sun with us and hence the same time ?

How did science disprove that ?

scaler345:

Common, spare me this. U should check out the hebrew word used for souls for both human and animals before our scribes do ojoro for d mata. Anyway, I'm mobile now, I think u n I gotta have a little discussion later. Bookmark tins! Stay blessed.

You are probably looking for the word "Nephesh."

truthislight:

Ooh. Sharrap !

It's not too late to go to the cross for cleansing. There's power in the blood of our Lord Jesus Christ.

truthislight:

Thanks for that though.

God's time and that of humans are not the same since God's throne is not on planet earth and he God does not make use of the same sun with human and the sun is the means of time calculation for man but not God.

But the bible tells us that God's one day is this :

"For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night." (Psalm 90:4).
...........

Maybe that verse is a lie.

But we know that Adam lived for 930yrs, less than a day befor God that made that statement.

So, from the bible, Adam died the same day he ate the fruit.

Excellent comment!

Since the fall of Adam, No man has ever lived for a DAY!

BraveGuy:

Excellent comment!

Since the fall of Adam, No man has ever lived for a DAY!

What about Enoch, how old do you think he is?

BraveGuy:

Excellent comment!

Since the fall of Adam, No man has ever lived for a DAY!

OLAADEGBU:

What about Enoch, how old do you think he is?

What is the use of this ^ question ?

Did Enoch lived more than a thousand years ?

See:

"And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah: And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters: And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years:" (Genesis 5:21-23).
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From that ^, it is Obviouse that Enoch lived > 365yrs, less than a thousand years that is aday in the site of Yahweh.

Who then needs this sugestion below ?

OLAADEGBU:

It's not too late to go to the cross for mouth cleansing.

Smh for you.

truthislight:

What is the use of this ^ question ?

Did Enoch lived more than a thousand years ?

See:

"And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah: And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters: And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years:" (Genesis 5:21-23).
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From that ^, it is Obviouse that Enoch lived > 365yrs, less than a thousand years that is aday in the site of Yahweh.

Who then needs this sugestion below ?


Smh for you.

When did Enoch die?

OLAADEGBU:

When did Enoch die?

"For by it the elders obtained a good report." (Hebrews 11:2).

The list of faithful men that pleased God, note what the bible says about them:

"By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh. By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God." (Hebrews 11:4-5). Abraham, Serah, Etc etc etc.

"These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth." (Hebrews 11:13).
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Note: these ^ 'all' died!

Keep deluding yourself that Enoch and Elijah are in heaven. When Jesus that came from Heaven said NO man had ascended into heaven:

"And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." (John 3:13).
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The traditional institutions called Religion, though claiming christianity is actually opposed to the bible in many instances as to conform to traditional beliefs.

these is what the bible says about men in the OT and what happend to all of them, and Jesus knew this, hence he said, no man has ascended to heaven.

See:

"By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh. By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God. But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith. By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God. Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised. Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable. These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth." (Hebrews 11:9-13).
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These faithful men of faith all died 'without receiving the promised', but all awaited the city having real foundation whose maker and builder is God.

OLAADEGBU: "Adam didn't die the day God said he would!"

He certainly did. He died spiritually. The moment he sinned, he became "dead in trespasses and sins" (Ephesians 2:1). Ezekiel 18:4 says, "The soul that sins, it shall die." It is because we are born spiritually dead that Jesus came to give us spiritual life (John 5:40; 10:10; 14:6; etc.). This is why Jesus told us that we must be born again (John 3:3). When we repent of our sins and believe in Jesus Christ, the Bible tells us that we "pass from death to life" (see John 5:24; Romans 6:13; 1 John 3:14).

"Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart" (Ephesians 4:18) The Evidence Bible.

And the consequences of spiritual death is Hell, right? If all men are dead in spiritual prior to Christ, then all of such men including Abraham were destined for Hell. Untenable, right?

truthislight:

"For by it the elders obtained a good report." (Hebrews 11:2).

The list of faithful men that pleased God, note what the bible says about them:

"By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh. By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God." (Hebrews 11:4-5). Abraham, Serah, Etc etc etc.

"These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth." (Hebrews 11:13).
............................................................................
^^^

Note: these ^ 'all' died!

Keep deluding yourself that Enoch and Elijah are in heaven. When Jesus that came from Heaven said NO man had ascended into heaven:

"And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." (John 3:13).
.........................................................................

The traditional institutions called Religion, though claiming christianity is actually opposed to the bible in many instances as to conform to traditional beliefs.

"By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God"(Hebrews 11:5)

You have not answered my kweshun. When did Enoch die?

Kay 17:

And the consequences of spiritual death is Hell, right? If all men are dead in spiritual prior to Christ, then all of such men including Abraham were destined for Hell. Untenable, right?

Not necessarily if you are born again. If you don't like the way you were born the first time get born again.

My point is Abraham is in Hell

OLAADEGBU:
Science has discovered that death is a process that starts at conception. Within every cell, at the end of the DNA, are small pieces called telemeres. At each division of the cell a telemere is lost. Eventually all the telemere are gone, and the cell dies. The phrase ''Dying you shall die'' is technically fulfilled.

So "technically" Adam began dying as soon as he was created. It wasnt necessary for him to sin.

Kay 17:

My point is Abraham is in Hell

Wrong. Abraham is in heaven (Luke 16:19-31).

jayriginal:

So "technically" Adam began dying as soon as he was created. It wasnt necessary for him to sin.

You are mixing apples with oranges here. Death only came as a result of Adam's sin. God made Adam perfect and he was not supposed to die but death set in as soon as he disobeyed God and ate from the forbidden tree. Ever since then the process of death starts as soon as we are conceived in our mother's womb.