Onlytruth: The Ironsi maga -"ism" shocks me sometimes. I wonder whether Ironsi ever understood what a COUP meant.
Once a coup situation appears on the scene (whether as rumour or credible information), I wonder which TRUE soldier would put his life in the hands of a NON-BLOOD brother (which explains why dictators always lined up sensitive security positions with BLOOD BROTHERS). Check history.
For Ironsi to be warned by Madiebo, and for Ironsi to have called in Hassan Katsina and dare Madiebo to repeat his story, tells me that the man did not deserve the slighest of respect when he was cornered at Ibadan. None of his killers respected him. lol

Well, I hope the lesson has been learned. Thats all.

fluteman:

Well, its no surprise how you think.

The lesson learned is that treachery has deadly repercussion. Ironsi refused to punish the Ibo coupist( as confirmed by Gbulie, who, despite being in "prison" in his area, had the capacity to communicate and plan with senior Ibo officers in the Army) who killed Northern and Yoruba leaders while sparing the Ibo leaders. In this, he proved to be an Igbo bigot and deserved his end.

If he had protected himself with only Ibo officers and family, it would have been crystal clear immediately what the game is , and the majority Northern military personnel (armed) would have reacted way sooner. Albeit, they gave him six months to correct the bs but his ibo attitude cost him and a lot of officers from the east.

Justice catches up eventually........no matter how you want to circumvent it

PhysicsQED:

This is getting annoying.

1. He claims to be Edo? Or "somewhere in Benin or Akoko Edo"? Or "something"? What exactly was this guy claiming, and why did I have a grudge against him? Was he actually a Yoruba pretending to be Edo, or was he actually Edo? Are you even recalling/remembering any of what you're talking about correctly? Why I am I wasting my time with you when you can't even tell me what the thread was about, or the title, or anything about my interaction with the guy other than saying that I cursed? Are you just trolling? At the end of this conversation are you just going to post a picture of a troll face and logoff? Are you laughing to yourself right now for getting me to even pay attention to your nonsense?

2. Ola Edo hasn't claimed to be Edo. I have no idea where you're getting this idea that he pretends to be Edo while attacking Yoruba posters. Did he say his name is a reference to his supposed ethnic background? Where is this even coming from? I thought his name was a reference to some Igbo deity (that was my guess, I never asked him directly) called Edo (there is such a deity - the name is written the same; don't know if the pronunciation is the same).

I really have no certain idea what his username is supposed to mean, but I imagine that if he really wanted people to interpret his username as indicating his ethnicity, then he wouldn't put "Ola" in username (I don't know what "Ola" is supposed to mean there, but it can be interpreted as being a Yoruba name, the same way you interpreted the other word in his name as referring to the Edo ethnicity).

This is the other meaning of "Ola Edo" (it is an Igbo phrase that seems to refer to gold or jewelry) that I came across after a quick online search: https://www.nairaland.com/226540/igbos-descendent-sudanese-igala-mixed/1#4721907

I came across some other Igbo uses of the phrase Ola Edo in other search results, but that one above captures the basic idea.

Anyway, Ola Edo is Chyz. Chyz was something of a pro-Igbo/anti-Yoruba ethnic warrior even under his previous username and that's something that people who were posting here a little longer than you were already know. I have no more reason to start attacking him out of nowhere than I have to start randomly attacking any of the numerous anti-Yoruba, anti-Igbo, anti-Fulani, anti-anything posters on this forum. It would be like me waking up one day and then suddenly attacking ommonokada (or whatever his name is) or Desola because of their anti-Igbo posts.

I thought everybody already knew he (Ola Edo/Chyz) was Igbo, but maybe you're the only one who thought anybody thought he was actually Edo.

3. I don't have time to go after to every poster on this forum who doesn't like Yorubas (or Igbos, or Hausas, or Ijaws or Edos). That's a huge waste of time. Anyway, there's a whole unofficial NL crew (led by dayokanu) dedicated to combating those people that spend their time insulting Yorubas, so my comments wouldn't make much difference. And for the last time, I just don't see anymore evidence that Papabrowne is undoubtedly Igbo than I do of Edogirl being Yoruba.

Let me see if I can make this much simpler for you:

If Papabrowne is actually Igbo pretending to be Edo, and I haven't called him out for making negative comments about Yorubas while claiming to be Edo,

and

Edo.girl is actually Yoruba pretending to be Edo, and I haven't called her out for making negative comments about Igbos (she has made such comments before - and I don't just mean the thread she made about Igbo men being rubbish in bed that resulted in some posters insulting the Bini in return, she has made other negative comments besides those) while claiming to be Edo,

How does that make me biased when I've refused to call out BOTH of them? If I don't call out someone who is supposedly Igbo (Papabrowne) who has made negative comments against Yorubas, but also don't call out someone who is supposedly Yoruba (Edo.girl) who has made negative comments against Igbos, how is that bias? Wouldn't it actually be biased if I called out one and not the other?

Onlytruth:

Some of you trolls are very annoying but we have gotten used to you in Nairaland.

Apparently, you did not read the interview and the statement by Gbulie to which I responded.
The fact remains that ALL historians blame Ironsi for his privarications, weak resolve, and dilly dallying which opened the way for his eventual killers to kill him.
It really takes someone who can tell himself the truth to be able to see dangers in clear terms and plan ahead to neutralize them.
Ironsi was the HEAD OF STATE, the first military leader in Nigeria. He had SIX months to tinker with the military any way he wanted, and would have not only survived, but changed Nigeria for ever for good. HE FAILED.

Let me tell you, Nigeria is one of the countries I know that is VERY EASY to rule because Nigerians are inherently cowards and most only attack weak targets. If Ironsi had secured himself with FEW CRACK Igbo officers handpicked and trained for that only purpose of defending him, he would have ruled Nigeria for as long as he wanted. He died because he was living in lalaland of a nirvana nation, albeit one that was on the verge of disintegration.

PhysicsQED: ^

Dude, just fvck off. I've given you way too much attention today. Go troll someone else.

Desola:

Oh, so Chyz is pro-Igbo, anti-Yoruba while the likes of Desola are just anti Igbo but your pal Dayokanu is a Yoruba defender?

When you're done hiding under the Edo cloak to subtly attack Yoruba, I trust you'll let us know.

Two faced sod!

Sheeple:

You only find your balls when you're posting to Yoruba. However, when Igbo posters scream at you, you would scram like the byt.ch embedded in you, you reta.rded Eurocentric junk epistle writer. I'm a troll now because I called you out on your bias bs, nah? You're probably the softest Edo guy ever (and that's if you're actually Edo). I grew up around a lot of Benin people and I know even the calmest one among them would turn to a nutter after switching. I can see the byt.ch in you despite masking all your inadequacies with epistles and linear junk about history.

You were just lucky I had flu and chest pain yesterday and I couldn't say much. However, I'm on your case now and the next time I see you trying to correct any Yoruba person on here with your junk - your head would be smashed in with an e-chainsaw. I promise you that.

fluteman: [font=Lucida Sans Unicode][/font]You never learn don't you. How can he "change Nigeria for good" when he would have ruled over the spilt blood of other tribes except his own? in your warped and biased mind only I guess.

Just like Abacha and his ilks, nemesis would have caught up with him and his associates ( as it did) , irrespective of the path he took as long as he refused to punish his kinsmen. It could have taken longer or shorter, even the revenge coup could have been more bloodier. Ironsi would not have lasted a day if he had taken your skewed advice......his slaughter would have been served immediately. The majority northern troops and some of their officers realized the plot after the coup, but Ironsi's fake declaration and pretense to serve justice delayed the dooms day.

Justice will always serve!

PhysicsQED:
Is this some kind of joke? You can't seriously be suggesting that the most heated/intense arguments or debates I've had on this forum are with Yoruba posters or that I've only engaged Yoruba posters in discussions that turned into arguments. I don't expect you to be familiar with my posting history since you came on this forum later on, and since we don't follow each others posts, but I can't help but wonder if you're just delusional.

The rest of what you wrote is just trash from an overemotional brat whose got his panties in a bunch for no reason and I won't even bother responding to that nonsense. And if you want to waste your time stalking me with your bullshit, go ahead. It's your time that you're wasting.

Sheeple:

You're delusional with that stalking line. Pray tell me why I would stalk you. I already told you time ago that your Eurocentric line of argument isn't for me and I called you out a few times about it. You can save that for your naija fan-base who don't know better. I'm from a different country and I did all my schooling in a different educational environment. So I can smell junk from afar. That's critical thinking and epistles don't sway me.

However, I noticed your bias and I decided to call you out on it before you start giving credence to an opposing view in a discourse that's two-sided. I was on the thread when you had a go at the Patriot series for no reason. But the guy is also a soft guy and he let it slide without responding. After that, I thought you would probably do the same to the rest hiding under "Edo" to spew hate. However, Papabrowne and his retar,.ded self has been running around doing the same thing, but you're yet to call him out. Same for Ola-edo.

Also, I see how you argue in the culture section when it comes to the ancestry of Onitsha and Agbor/Ika crowns being of Benin ancestry - compared to how you go full throttle when it comes to claiming certain Yoruba crowns are of Benin ancestry. So don't tell me you're not bias - save that bs for the birds. If you're scared of Igbo's, that's your prerogative. However, don't go about screaming at Yoruba posters, when you can't do the same to Igbo posters. And stop being to act like you're objective when you're obviously not.

PhysicsQED:
"You're delusional with that stalking line. Pray tell me why I would stalk you." Lol, because you literally just said that you would. But whatever, I'm sure you'll find a way to say that wasn't a stalker declaration.

I didn't have a "go at patriot series for no reason." That guy is a monster. That you could call somebody like that a "soft guy" is incredible. And he made it a point to repeatedly, deliberately, and fraudulently emphasize his supposed Edoness while posting as a monster. If patriot feels that he must call another group primitive cannibals and inform the rest of NL about how "another genocide" is waiting for them he can do that while admitting to his actual ethnicity.

And has it even occurred to you that his posting turned "softer" because he had been confronted about his bullsh1t by someone who wasn't buying it? That guy was trying to save face and he changed his tone all of a sudden.

As for the issue of "how I argue in the culture section" when it comes to the ancestry of Onitsha and Agbor, Ika, etc., vs. how I argue with regard to certain Yoruba crowns (which one(s)?), could you give some actual specifics? Because I don't have a complete recollection of everything I might have posted on those subjects.

Is "screaming" here supposed to mean debating civilly with regular Yoruba posters? Or is it supposed to refer to cursing at monsters like patriot2?

Anyway, I'm starting to think you might just be so incredibly biased or delusional that you somehow don't get that almost all of the most heated/intense arguments and disagreements I've had on this forum have been with Igbo posters. I don't know why that is (I'm not seeking out arguments with anyone), but honestly the arguments/disagreements with Yoruba posters don't even come close.

And I've said this before in another thread - although not in these exact words - I don't believe that I can claim objectivity on issues involving my ethnic group and another ethnic group. So I won't even bother to claim it.

Sheeple:
Pray tell me how, "I'm on your case now and the next time I see you trying to correct any Yoruba person on here with your junk" translates into "stalker declaration?" Perhaps, I should have used a "If and when" statement to make it more simplistic.

However, if you could "corner" the "monster" in patriot series - how come you're unable to do the same with Papabrowne? He posts almost the same thing hiding under the Edo mantra. And he also ends all his posts with, "I'm not Igbo, I'm Edo" - when he's obviously not.

I know deep inside your heart, you know the guy isn't Edo and I doubt anyone from Benin where Igbos are called, "Igbons" would be that sentimental with so much hate and bile. So why haven't you called him out to "corner" the "monster" in him?

But my point is: every time there's an argument on such threads with people from those places aligning with their Benin ancestry, you're always quick to go there to defuse it.

However, when it comes to claiming Eko, all the way to Dahomey - you would be quick to cite references from pseudo-legends on the might of the Benin empire.

You also claimed Benin's dominion over Ijebu Kingdom that has no link whatsoever with anything Benin. The Ife and Benin thing is another one.

So why are you like that? Are you scared of them? If you're scared of them - then you need to be scared of us as well.

PhysicsQED:

I haven't come across anything before that substantiates these claims. Maybe there is something out there that corroborates one of these claims, but I certainly haven't come across such information.

PhysicsQED: . . . You completely wasted my time. Hopefully this is my last bit of vulgarity while posting on nairaland: fvck "patriot2" and the horse he rode in on. Just fvck him. That guy's worthless.

PhysicsQED:

I don't have anything against him (dayokanu), and when he's not on the ethnic stuff he sometimes makes interesting posts, but we barely interact much on here, honestly. If my post came across as elevating him while insulting you, I apologize. I only used those names (dayokanu, Desola, omonokada) as examples as they were the first names that came to mind. But I could have used an entirely different set of names just as easily.

These "attacking Yoruba", "attacking Igbo" etc. accusations against me are kind of funny, because first it was accusations of being "anti-Igbo" as my bias, now it's swung around to "anti-Yoruba" claims. Some of the posters in this section are in that mindset where the forum is an ethnic battleground, but not everyone here makes their comments with that sort of approach/perspective at the back of their mind. In the future, try and keep that in mind while attempting to deconstruct and analyze my posts for "proof" of some ethnic bias against some particular group.

And I'm not "hiding under" any cloak. Unlike some people who make up multiple personalities and backgrounds on this forum for no reason, I don't need to fake anything.

Sheeple: . . .You can go ask those that I've had the opportunity to speak to on the phone about how I sound. That's authentic. Heck, go ask Cheddarking/JackBaeursballs how I sound on the phone when I was going to beat his ar.se up for stalking me. Go ask those who listened to the rap freestyle I posted on here time ago how I sound. You think I would lie about my background? - GTFOH.

kingoflag: Oh my, ure dull as rock.

TerraCotta:

Thanks. Pity about the direction this thread took.

fluteman:

Well, its no surprise how you think.

The lesson learned is that treachery has deadly repercussion. Ironsi refused to punish the Ibo coupist( as confirmed by Gbulie, who, despite being in "prison" in his area, had the capacity to communicate and plan with senior Ibo officers in the Army) who killed Northern and Yoruba leaders while sparing the Ibo leaders. In this, he proved to be an Igbo bigot and deserved his end.

If he had protected himself with only Ibo officers and family, it would have been crystal clear immediately what the game is , and the majority Northern military personnel (armed) would have reacted way sooner. Albeit, they gave him six months to correct the bs but his ibo attitude cost him and a lot of officers from the east.

Justice catches up eventually........no matter how you want to circumvent it

isale_gan2:
I love Physics die!

Don't mind Sheeple and Desola, Physics. You're being punked. How could you fall for it?!

Is Sheeple another poster with moniker beginning ? Yup!

PhysicsQED:
You're on my case now isn't stalker stuff? You could just stay off my case entirely if you don't want me to consider that to be stalkerish.

If you think Papabrowne and patriot are on the same level of monstrosity, then that's your opinion, but I don't necessarily have to agree - obviously you would be more affected by anti-Yoruba comments than me, and you might be able to gauge better how offensive something is or is not, when it's about your group. But I don't think Papabrowne's case ever reached the level of patriot.

If Papabrowne had been going around repeatedly saying that Yorubas were sub-humans that they deserve to be exterminated, in the same way the "soft" guy patriot had been about another group, while constantly emphasizing his Edoness, I probably would have intervened, but I didn't see it get to that level. But as I said, maybe you can gauge the degree of the offensiveness of Papabrowne's comments better than me (since his comments are about your group), and perhaps you think they are on the level of genocide talk.

The guy hasn't actually "slipped up" and made any post (that I've seen) that "gave him away" as not being from Edo state, though, so I don't see what I would have to even call him out with even if I was still making it a point to call people out the way I was confronting people when this "pretending to be Edo" stuff first started on this forum.

And as I stated earlier, I don't see how his biases for or against certain groups prove anything outright - I've seen other posters that claim Edo who have such biases and I haven't accused them of faking either. Also, he seems to live in Lagos and is often presenting it as a cosmopolitan and very multi-ethnic city, so even if the "Igbon" stuff was as much of a factor as you think, I don't see how his presumably Edo origins would stop him from developing a rapport with Igbos while there if he's all about that "cosmopolitan dream" stuff.

I don't actually believe many of those groups have more Edo than Igbo ancestry though, so that's one reason I'm more reluctant to support some of their efforts. Also, I don't like some of the things a few of them say when making their arguments - the insulting stuff that is - and I would have a hard time getting behind them to support them when they are making insulting statements. I'm sure there are people with other opinions on that issue, of course.

And don't say "every time" when you know very well that that's not true. Maybe you weren't following the culture section that closely, but I was in one or two of those threads at most, and the only reason I attempted to defuse anything is because those particular discussions were just descending into insults about the different ethnic groups involved.

I honestly don't remember ever mentioning Eko/Lagos in threads before other people would bring it up and give their own opinions. If I have done that and it was actually relevant to the subject matter of the thread then I don't see what the big deal there is. A long time ago in a discussion about Agbor, I suggested that the town had that name because the first settlers or the later leaders were either Edo or under the influence of Edo culture - but I guess you missed that. The Delta Igbo Bendel Igbo thread is a long one though, so I guess that's understandable. The point is, I don't see much difference in what I wrote about Agbor and whatever I might have written about Eko.

So, I think I've stated this before, but I guess I can repeat it again: I never brought up the issue of Ijebu and Benin at any time. And anyway, you shouldn't expect me to bowdlerize actual traditions just to not cause possible offense. If you ask me about something, you should expect me to tell something as I've seen it stated, not in the manner that I think would be nice or ideal.

And skepticism isn't necessarily the same as bias. However on such issues, I think my previous statement already admits that I'm probably not capable of true objectivity there (since it involves my ethnic group), so if you want to consider my statements/perspectives on those issues biased you're welcome to, but I don't feel that they are rooted in some sort of anti-Yoruba bias.

I'm not "scared" of anything on this forum. It's just a forum. I've gotten into enough arguments with Igbo posters that it's hard for me take this charge against me seriously. Only recently pazienza (an Igbo poster) made it a point to claim I was somehow anti-Igbo in some thread (without any real justification), but at the same time that an Igbo nationalist is calling me out for supposedly being anti-Igbo in some of my posts, you're saying I shirk from disagreements with Igbos. That's just strange.

TerraCotta:

Thanks. Pity about the direction this thread took.

Katsumoto:

Apologies for the delay in responding to your post from yesterday.

Ejoor and Gowon both claimed that Ojukwu approached them to execute a coup in 1964. You can read further in Oil, Politics and Violence: Nigeria's Military Coup Culture (by Max Silloun) - Page 36. There were also reports of Victor Banjo plotting. But I can't confirm whether Banjo was working with Ojukwu. But given how they were friends and shared similar strong views about the politics of that era, it wouldn't be inconceivable they worked together.

kettykin:
With this evidence doesn't it mean it was a national coup that most soldiers from other tribes declined to participate in except for victor Banjo, Adegboyega and co
Ojukwu might have pulled out of the coup seeing the reception of ejoor and gowon. A national coup in 1964 would have saved Nigeria from a badly organised election results , from a wrong census, a civil war and a genocide

Sheeple: ^Sod off.

Sheeple: ^I'm quite impressed with the improvement in your sentence construction. You definitely deserve some adulation for that. However, don't stop there - keep improving and I might get you an invite to come hang with the calibre of people I converse with intellectually outside this box.

Sheeple: ^Sod off.

Katsumoto:

Victor Banjo was not part of the January 1966 coup. Banjo was only accused of plotting because he spoke openly of the situation. It appears that you were eager to misconstrue my words.

Similarly, Ojukwu wasn't part of the Jan 1966 coup, allegedly.

What training do soldiers have that prepares them for governance and administration? The military as been a disaster for Nigeria and Africa at large. Given how incompetent Ironsi was, this is confirmation of that position. He had no business unifying the nation and destroying a structure that had taken years to build. But then again, Igbos were for a country with a unitary structure. Even Nzeogwu stated that was their intention in his interview with Ejindu.

Sheeple:

How about stop quoting me, you slimy bastard? I told you that I don't like you and you will end up making me feed you some pork, you dirty Muslim. Phuck off and stop quoting my posts, is that too much to ask for?