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Nigeria Does Not Have 100m Destitute – Presidency by Nobody: 10:03am On Nov 18, 2013
Nigeria does not have 100m destitute – Presidency

November 18, 2013



The Chief Economic Adviser to the President, Dr. Nwanze Okidegbe has said that the statement credited to the World Bank Country Director for Nigeria, Marie-Francoise Marie-Nelly that 100 Million Nigerians are living in destitution or extreme poverty was a ‘spurious claim’ that is “easily disprovable.

In a statement in Abuja, the Presidential Aide noted that the position of the country director is a sharp contrast to what the world bank had said about the level of poverty in Nigeria.

“First, it clearly contradicts the position of the World Bank on the level of poverty in Nigeria. During the visit of the Bank’s Vice President for Africa, Makhtar Diop, in May 2013, he declared that poverty has fallen under this administration from 48 percent to 46 percent. Given our current population of about 170 million people, the Country Director’s imagery of 100 million Nigerian destitutes seems to be based on a much higher poverty rate than that of her boss. The question that arises from this absurdity therefore is: who is right?

“Second, according to the World Bank itself, to live in extreme poverty is to live on less than $1.25 per day, including the cost of accommodation, clothing, feeding, and other incidentals. $1.25 per day translates into N200 per day (or N6,000 per month). On feeding alone, a loaf of bread costs more than N200 in many parts of Nigeria while a plate of food, even from a roadside food vendor, costs about the same amount.

“More also, there are about 112 million active GSM lines in Nigeria. Even accounting for those who own more than one phone and netting out nearly 44 percent of Nigerians who are under 15 years (and mostly do not have phones), this is not a description of a country with 100 million destitutes living in extreme poverty.

“This administration is undertaking critical reforms in all key sectors of the economy to create jobs and reduce poverty. For example, the reforms in the agricultural sector have increased production and created many job opportunities. In recognition of the fact that growth in the Agricultural Sector is pro-poor, we are confident that the consistent growth being recorded in agriculture is translating into further poverty reduction.

“Indeed, Nigeria was recently honoured for meeting the Millennium Development Goal (MDG) of reducing people living in absolute hunger by half, well ahead of the 2015 target set by the United Nations. On average, about 20 percent of the Subsidy Reinvestment Programme (SURE-P) is allocated exclusively to protecting the poor through different types of social safety nets. One important area of success is the Conditional Grant Scheme with total conditional cash transfer to almost 40,000 households and recruitment of over 2,000 new health workers working on improving maternal and child health.

“Rather than engage in peddling easily disprovable and inaccurate poverty numbers, we believe it would be a better for the World Bank to focus its attention on designing programmes and interventions to support the government’s efforts in accelerating poverty reduction in Nigeria”.

Source

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Re: Nigeria Does Not Have 100m Destitute – Presidency by iterator25: 10:26am On Nov 18, 2013
Hmmm.. abati is sure on nairaland
Re: Nigeria Does Not Have 100m Destitute – Presidency by Nobody: 10:37am On Nov 18, 2013
“Second, according to the World Bank itself, to live in extreme poverty is to live on less than $1.25 per day, including the cost of accommodation, clothing, feeding, and other incidentals. $1.25 per day translates into N200 per day (or N6,000 per month). On feeding alone, a loaf of bread costs more than N200 in many parts of Nigeria while a plate of food, even from a roadside food vendor, costs about the same amount.

I think the issue has to do with the DEFINITION of poverty. The World Bank's $1.25-a-day benchmark is simply inappropriate, as even beggars make more than N200 in a day.

In my opinion, poverty (as well as wealth) is relative. What defines true poverty is the inability to meet your basic needs with your current level of income, and going by this definition the World Bank is right in saying that more that 100million Nigerians live in poverty.

The real question is, what are we doing to address this?

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Re: Nigeria Does Not Have 100m Destitute – Presidency by tdade(m): 10:42am On Nov 18, 2013
While I do doubt the 100million people claim - mainly because I believe Nigeria's population figure is highly exaggerated - I'm very sure that those who do live in poverty, live in it extremely - and its certainly almost 3/4 of the country.
The presidency can refute claims all they like, but in my opinion, there hasn't really been anything done about poverty, but lots have been done in making the thieving elites richer.
Last bullet: am I the only one who feels the Anambra election is a taste of what we'll see in 2015?

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Re: Nigeria Does Not Have 100m Destitute – Presidency by takedat(m): 12:28pm On Nov 18, 2013
Funnily, if the same World bank releases a report that there are major improvements in our social welfare indicators even though the people are not feeling the impact or the report says that unemployment rate is now 10%, the Government would gladly accept the report but Government outrightly rejected this. A Government that appreciates if her performance is 'over exaggerated' shouldn't be angry when lied against.


I do not believe in the 100million claim though. But poverty still persists, inequality widens and its prosperity for a few in our society. We have a few wealthy Islands surrounded by a vast Sea of Poverty. Our Government should tackle these challenges head on. Corruption robs the poor the most, and deprives millions of people of access to service and of the opportunity to earn a living.

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Re: Nigeria Does Not Have 100m Destitute – Presidency by Capnd143(m): 12:34pm On Nov 18, 2013
This is exactly what i have been arguing day in day out with some nairalanders. Going with the world bank definition of poverty and the poverty line i would say almost 120 million nigerians live well above the poverty line
the day to day expenditure incured by individuals sure exceeds #200 ($1.25) considering the prevailing cost of necessities in the country. An average nigerian labourer doing menial job who is classified under the lower or destitute caste/class sure makes more than an average of #900 to #1000 per day and spends more than the benchmark #6000 per month considering general accomadation cost in the country. It is however bogus and highly inappropriate to propound a theory which stipulates that more than 70% of nigerian are destitutes considering the world bank ideology and ceteris paribus

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Re: Nigeria Does Not Have 100m Destitute – Presidency by Pukkah: 3:44pm On Nov 18, 2013
HNosegbe:

In my opinion, poverty (as well as wealth) is relative. What defines true poverty is the inability to meet your basic needs with your current level of income, and going by this definition the World Bank is right in saying that more that 100million Nigerians live in poverty.

The real question is, what are we doing to address this?


I agree with this. We should not over-concentrate on the so-called benchmark of $1.25 or so. Dr Okidegbe should spend less energy on faulting the benchmark but more energy on telling us the number of Nigerians that can't afford basic things or living in poverty.

The fact is that many Nigerians are languishing in poverty. The signs of poverty and under-development are there for all to see.

There are Nigerians that can't afford more than 1 room for a family of 5 or more. Imagine a father and mother sharing only one room with 5 children or more. Some can't even afford toothpaste or a good laundry soap or tissue paper. They fetch their toothpicks from brooms and matchsticks and cotton buds from feathers.

So many Nigerians lack toilet facilities. People eat/trade beside refuse dumps. Millions of Nigerians lack access to potable water. In many cities, people drink half-finished sachets of water abandoned by their previous buyers. These people buy second-hand or Nigerian-used clothing, household utensils and even under-wears! A situation where one 'okada' is used to carry 6 to 7 passengers including kids going to school!

Whatever the benchmark is, there is also a need to look at what people pass through before making the money. You see hawkers and beggars running after moving vehicles in the rain and sun. Nigerians sell on the roads and also on rail lines! Some even sit on the roof of trains in order to get to their destinations. People dig trenches and wells manually with hand tools. They carry heavy loads on their heads and push laden trucks with their arms. Even if they make N2,000 per day, it is at what cost?

How many countries have hawkers, beggars, mad men and women, touts and children out of school on the streets like Nigeria? How many countries can rival us when it comes to malaria/typhoid/cholera patients and accident victims/deaths?

In how many countries do you see dead bodies left on their streets for days? In how many countries do you see people display sick men/women or disabled persons on the streets and blare/sing into megaphones to beg for money? Young men scavenge for scrap metals and aluminium on huge mounds of stinking refuse dumps with bare hands. People die of generator fumes right in their homes. They sweep streets without nose masks and pack refuse from homes/dumps into trucks without hand gloves. They work in factories without PPE and lose limbs without getting any form of compensation.

The living environment is full of dirt, dust, smoke, and noise. Their senses of sight, smell and hearing are assaulted all year round without their sense of taste compensating for it in form of good meals. In spite of living and working in dust, smoke and grime, many of them can only afford a bath in a day or a couple of days.

And when these people fall sick due to the arduous working conditions and poor living conditions, they go to the bush for herbs or patronize illegal drug sellers who combine odd looking, colorful caplets for the patients. Inevitably, the people die and are buried without autopsy.

For these people, poverty is real and governments at all levels have been unresponsive. Governments officials are insensitive in the way they spend money. They loot the treasury, steal billions and buy luxury cars and stash money overseas. It is getting worse with each successive government.

For these people, their life is already hell on earth and it would be double jeopardy, or may be even unfair, for any of them to be thrown again into hell after death.

These are the issues the Economic Adviser should be contesting or advising on.

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Re: Nigeria Does Not Have 100m Destitute – Presidency by Pukkah: 3:50pm On Nov 18, 2013
The funds that are being allocated to poverty campaigns and eradication hardly get to the poor.

The Economic Adviser should try to fault the following definition (according to the UN) of poverty and tell us how many Nigerians are wrestling with this evil. He should also tell us why Nigeria, which is one of the richest countries in Africa with vast oil and gas reserves, should have so many people shaking hands with poverty.

Poverty is a denial of choices and opportunities, a violation of human dignity. It means lack of basic capacity to participate effectively in society. It means not having enough to feed and clothe a family, not having a school or clinic to go to; not having the land on which to grow one’s food or a job to earn one’s living and not having access to credit. It means insecurity, powerlessness and exclusion of individuals, households and communities. It means susceptibility to violence, and it often implies living on marginal or fragile environments, without access to clean water or sanitation.
Re: Nigeria Does Not Have 100m Destitute – Presidency by Pukkah: 3:56pm On Nov 18, 2013
At an occasion in Lagos recently, Olusegun Aganga had this to say about Nigeria:


Nigeria is blessed with a large natural resource base, woven around major areas of proven competitive and comparative advantage, such as oil and gas, agriculture and mining, among others. This country is the seventh largest producer of crude oil, globally, with 37 billion barrels of proven reserves.

“With its 10th largest oil reserves in the world and 8th largest gas reserves, the nation is a major player in the gas market. (Reserves of about 187 trillion cubic metres). The Geological Survey Agency of Nigeria also records 44 exploitable minerals in commercial quantities, aside from the availability of 84 million hectares of Arable Land, out of which only about 40 per cent is utilised.

Are these not the reasons why Nigerians should not be poor? When will this sad paradox of 'rich country, poor citizens' be broken?

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Re: Nigeria Does Not Have 100m Destitute – Presidency by Pukkah: 4:01pm On Nov 18, 2013
Currently, Nigeria has a population of about 167 million people. undecided

It is projected that by 2050, it will be the 6th largest country in the world with an estimated population of 287 million. shocked shocked shocked shocked

By that time, would poverty have been eradicated? How many people would be in poverty? Is anyone or any government planning with this information?

With all these damning statistics, is one wrong to feel outraged when news of government shielding corrupt people filter in?

Is it not sad that the people at the helms of affairs don't really know how important and urgent their assignments are?

Should government really be faulting the figure of $1.25 or engaging the citizens in concrete and verifiable terms how it plans to tackle poverty, now and in the future?
Re: Nigeria Does Not Have 100m Destitute – Presidency by bloggernaija: 4:01pm On Nov 18, 2013
THE KEY TO SOLVING A PROBLEM IS TO FIRSTLY IDENTIFY THAT PROBLEM
OR
TO ADMIT THAT PROBLEM EXIST.

NIGERIA-A COUNTRY WHERE THE TOTALLY BLIND LEAD THE PARTIALLY BLIND.
Re: Nigeria Does Not Have 100m Destitute – Presidency by agbameta: 4:02pm On Nov 18, 2013


“On feeding alone, a loaf of bread costs more than N200 in many parts of Nigeria while a plate of food, even from a roadside food vendor, costs about the same amount. More also, there are about 112 million active GSM lines in Nigeria.

“Even accounting for those who own more than one phone and netting out nearly 44 percent of Nigerians who are under 15 years (and mostly do not have phones), this is not a description of a country with 100 million destitute living in extreme poverty”.


I read this on premium times yesterday and I laughed instead of crying for my dear country and the thoughtless and out of touch nonentities we call leaders...

So, when we talk about poverty in Nigeria, GSM lines and cell phones are now the major determining factors?

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Re: Nigeria Does Not Have 100m Destitute – Presidency by Pukkah: 4:06pm On Nov 18, 2013
agbameta:


I read this on premium times yesterday and I laughed instead of crying for my dear country and the thoughtless and out of touch nonentities we call leaders...

So, when we talk about poverty in Nigeria, GSM lines and cell phones are now the major determining factors?

The people have deliberately or unknowingly become insular.

Let me give you an example. They have all been mouthing and screaming that there are 17 million housing deficit in Nigeria. I have been hearing this for more than 10 years.

What have they done about it?

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Re: Nigeria Does Not Have 100m Destitute – Presidency by Pukkah: 4:08pm On Nov 18, 2013
bloggernaija:

NIGERIA-A COUNTRY WHERE THE TOTALLY BLIND LEAD THE PARTIALLY BLIND.

Oh yes, the followership has become as much of a problem as the leadership. The problem is getting more and more complex by the day.

It is now so bad that people shield suspects of corruption on the basis of mother tongue!!!

How bad can it get?
Re: Nigeria Does Not Have 100m Destitute – Presidency by 1025: 4:23pm On Nov 18, 2013
but how many we get? abi na this 7 in picture we get?
to make us believe the presidency, let them tell us their own figure and from there, we will know who the liar is.
apart from the politicians, 90% of the other population are desti...
part of me is saying the world bank could be right ooo.
well, no need to jump into conclusion till we hear from our lying spokespersons that has never said a single truth.
Re: Nigeria Does Not Have 100m Destitute – Presidency by taharqa: 5:26pm On Nov 18, 2013
take dat: Funnily, if the same World bank releases a report that there are major improvements in our social welfare indicators even though the people are not feeling the impact or the report says that unemployment rate is now 10%, the Government would gladly accept the report but Government outrightly rejected this. A Government that appreciates if her performance is 'over exaggerated' shouldn't be angry when lied against.


I do not believe in the 100million claim though. But poverty still persists, inequality widens and its prosperity for a few in our society. We have a few wealthy Islands surrounded by a vast Sea of Poverty. Our Government should tackle these challenges head on. Corruption robs the poor the most, and deprives millions of people of access to service and of the opportunity to earn a living.
Actuali, an Actual Report from d World Bank early this yr indicated that Poverty Rate DECREASED in Nigeria from 48% to 46% bw 2011 and 2012. This woman shld tell simply us how she got to her conclusions....@bold2, EOM

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Re: Nigeria Does Not Have 100m Destitute – Presidency by Pukkah: 6:51pm On Nov 18, 2013
On the recent outbreak of cholera, which has become annual, the Minister of Health - Professor Chukwu- had this to say:



But Chukwu said the yearly occurrence of cholera could be stopped “if there is a mechanism to stop open defecation which will prevent contamination of water sources and foods that are major causes of cholera in the country.”

He added, “Reports from the 14 states affected by the cholera and gastroenteritis outbreak indicated that indiscriminate open defecation practice and lack of toilet facilities which contaminated water sources and foods were the major causes of cholera in these states.
Re: Nigeria Does Not Have 100m Destitute – Presidency by baby124: 7:05pm On Nov 18, 2013
The statistics of 100million destitute is absolutely true. A lot of Nigerians are managing to get by. So many families really struggling. They are one business failure or job loss from homelessness. A lot more are surviving from what family members send them from the diaspora. These foo*ls in government should keep deceiving themselves and continue stealing. The day that 100million will decide it is enough. Dem go see whiiin!!! They refuse to see the danger in such a large number of hungry and angry people.

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Re: Nigeria Does Not Have 100m Destitute – Presidency by Pukkah: 7:12pm On Nov 18, 2013
According to the Water Resources Minister, Sarah Ochekpe:


Seventy per cent of common tropical diseases are water-related and can be eliminated if adequate supply of water at the right quantity and quality is provided to the public,” 


What the Minister failed to mention is WHEN adequate supply of water at the right quantity and quality will be provided to the public.

But they get angry when an outsider says millions of Nigeria lack access to drinking water or are destitutes.
Re: Nigeria Does Not Have 100m Destitute – Presidency by juman(m): 8:03pm On Nov 18, 2013
Destitutes in the country are more than 100 million.
Re: Nigeria Does Not Have 100m Destitute – Presidency by anulaxad(m): 8:05pm On Nov 18, 2013
It's definitely more than 100 million people.
Re: Nigeria Does Not Have 100m Destitute – Presidency by iterator25: 8:09pm On Nov 18, 2013
juman: Destitute in the country is more than 100 million.



anulaxad: It's definitely more than 100 million people.

your families inclusive?
Re: Nigeria Does Not Have 100m Destitute – Presidency by danot1030: 8:46pm On Nov 18, 2013
does he knw wot destitute mean? ok mr presido can u pls tell d world hw many nigeria can afford basic needs.
Re: Nigeria Does Not Have 100m Destitute – Presidency by Pukkah: 8:52pm On Nov 18, 2013
danot1030: ok mr presido can u pls tell d world hw many nigeria can afford basic needs.

Good question.

He should also tell us his plan to pull the hapless people out of destitution as well as the timeline for the plan.
Re: Nigeria Does Not Have 100m Destitute – Presidency by takedat(m): 1:47pm On Nov 20, 2013
taharqa: Actuali, an Actual Report from d World Bank early this yr indicated that Poverty Rate DECREASED in Nigeria from 48% to 46% bw 2011 and 2012. This woman shld tell simply us how she got to her conclusions....@bold2, EOM


Come to think of it, according to the government own National Bureau of Statistics(NBS), poverty rate stood at 69% in 2010 and 93.9% Nigerians considered themselves to be poor.


http://www.vanguardngr.com/2012/02/93-9-nigerians-considered-themselves-to-be-poor-nbs/

Even if poverty has reduced from 2010 to 2013 it can't be more than 10%(this is an inflated assumption, in fact poverty may have increased during this period rather than decline)
, poverty rate should be between 59% and 60% and if we assume our population is between 165million to 167million, then the 100million poverty claim may be right.


"The National Bureau of Statistics had in February 2012 released figures that showed the nation's poverty level was on the increase. According to the Statistician-General of the Federation, Dr. Yemi Kale, at the time, about '112million Nigerians( or 67.1 percent of the country's total population of 167million) lived below poverty level- that is living below US$1.00-US$1.25 per day."

http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/issues-in-the-new-poverty-report/137011/

"Before we put the systems in place, we must at the same emphatically understand the plight of the 'over 70 million people' living in abject poverty in the country." -CBN Governor

http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/why-nigeria-is-still-poor-by-cbn-gov/162594/

The figures from the office of the Statistician-General of the Federation(NBS) and CBN Governor(CBN) gives credence to World Bank's claim.

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Re: Nigeria Does Not Have 100m Destitute – Presidency by anulaxad(m): 8:42am On Nov 21, 2013
iterator25:


your families inclusive?

I was not even born or raised in Nigeria talking about living there.

Though the poverty in Nigeria is very high.
Re: Nigeria Does Not Have 100m Destitute – Presidency by size38: 9:46am On Nov 21, 2013
GEJ thinks everybody lives in Aso Rock like him? Millions of nigerian do not have homes
Re: Nigeria Does Not Have 100m Destitute – Presidency by Dygeasy(m): 9:46am On Nov 21, 2013
We're Only In Denial. There's Poverty In This Country. The $1.25 Benchmark Is Total BS.

I Hate To Explain Cos It Only Wants To Make Me Weep For Us.
Re: Nigeria Does Not Have 100m Destitute – Presidency by damibravo(m): 9:47am On Nov 21, 2013
The Problem is we endure alot of shit!

and we dont care!

something like suffering and smiling!
Re: Nigeria Does Not Have 100m Destitute – Presidency by Nobody: 9:48am On Nov 21, 2013
You guys saying Nigeria has more than hundred million destitutes are obviously out of your mind and senses.

Its either you don't know the meaning of destitutes or 100million.

You guys just talking rubbish on here, you think its only ur dumb selves that visit this forum.

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Re: Nigeria Does Not Have 100m Destitute – Presidency by Ugom38(f): 9:51am On Nov 21, 2013
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