If you think hard, yu will agree that what it takes for a war to begin, is a different view point.

I would totally agree with you here.
But that does not in any way answer the point that I've bought up.

You claimed that Christians began the conflicts by fighting the Muslims within thier own Christian lands. My issue with that is, whichever way you look at it, that is a fight against an invader and therefore a fight against an aggressor.
Fighting against an aggressor is a defence and the defender is not the initial attacker. Therefore, in your own words, Islam must have been the instigator.

Dear olabowale

thanks for your reply though you glossed over some of my musings yet again, you didnt say whether it will be right for clerics (i guess you are one too) to come out and openly denounce acts targeted at 'innocents'
and i dont think engaging in long drawn word battles over who started terrorism will be any productive, the early christians as you claim may have been involved with perceived acts of terrorism, fine, but is that justification to still carry out such acts thousands of years later? if you look closely, nobody is really supporting george bush on most of his wars cos they border on terrorism themselves. So bottom line, lets come out and find ways to make humans more humane rather than the hatred we are sowing on both sides of the divide, there should be unequivocal condemnation to such wicked acts.
A child in gaza who watches his relatives killed for no reason will never love israel and the same with a little boy in sderot whose house is destroyed by a hamas rocket will not have any love for palestine folks so we see a vicious cycle that must stop if peace is to reign.
terrorism never solves any problems, it only creates new ones, let the religions show themselves averse to terror and we'll have a better world.
by the way whats your title,Alhaji,alfa,imam,ustaz or sheik?which one, i want to adress you properly in my next missive.

I know talking too much will make my post deleted. . To be honest who are the terrorists? The one who hates occupancy in the lands for fear of corruption or the one whose wish is only to corrupt  and illecitly label "freedom fighters"terrorist? .Piece of sh**!
To me, the war in Iraq,Afghanistan,occupation of Palestine and all other lands Muslims are persecuted are and will remain the most fradulent and inhumane act against humanity.

1 Muhammad ordered and incited his followers to break every decent and moral guidelines that they had under tha so called Jahiliyah and turned his new 'Muslim converts' into merciless, subservient and unthinking killing machines.

2 Muhammad and his followers invariably attacked their unwary victims by ambushing them.


3 Muhammad and his followers almost always attacked their victims during the PROHIBITED MONTHS.


4 All these so called 'battles' were actually PIRATICAL RAIDS upon mostly civilian and trading targets to gain BOOTY, PLUNDER, SLAVES and females to RAPE.


5 Muhammad and his Allah shared 20% of all the booty. Since Allah does not claim His share, all the plunder then belongs to Muhammad.

Why would any 'divinity', any creator of the universe, need to partake and share in the plunder of human beings, is beyond logic and beneath contempt.


6 Muhammad created a following whose total allegiance was to himself and his mission only and who were willing and able to slaughter their own fathers, brothers and kinsmen to satisfy Muhammad's 'vision' of 'Islam'.


7 Muhammad & his Allah show a depraved indifference for the suffering of their victims. They both, actually, gloated and were delighted at the torment and degradation of their prey.


8 Muhammad's Allah supports Muhammad and his followers in EVERY battle against the UNBELIEVERS - Pagans, Jews and Christians - by sending them Angels of Death to help in the slaughter.


9 Allah causes the slaughter of his own PRE DESTINED creatures for being UNBELIEVERS although it was Allah who had PRE DESTINED them to be so.


19 Not a single one of the UNBELIEVERS had the FREE WILL to chose RIGHT from WRONG and YET they were and are all consigned to Allah's Hell.


20 Muhammad's Allah, in verse after verse in the Quran, INCITES, EXHORTS and DIRECTS Muhammad and his followers to SLAUGHTER, PLUNDER, SUBJUGATE, ENSLAVE and DESTROY all those who do not believe in 'Allah and his messenger Muhammad'.


21 In all the verses above, the SICKENING theme is the same:
AMBUSH, DECEIVE, SLAUGHTER, BOOTY, PLUNDER, TERRORISE, SUBJUGATE, GLOAT.


22 Not a single verse shows MERCY or COMPASSION to anyone, by either Allah or Muhammad.

In summation and in reality, to explain all the INCONSISTENCIES, DEPRAVITIES, IMMORALITIES, HATEMONGERING, WARMONGERING, PLUNDERING, RAPE, SLAUGHTERING, ERRORS, ENSLAVEMENT and MENDACITIES in the Quran and Hadiths, one can come to the following ONLY LOGICAL conclusion:

That Allah was and is INNOCENT of all these CRIMES because in fact, all the Quranic verses and the Hadith stories were and are Muhammad's own CREATION, his own ALTER EGO ingeniously projected into the unsuspecting mouth of Allah, the Pagan Arabian supreme rock god of the Ka'ba, the Black Stone.

Well said!

focused123:

1 Muhammad ordered and incited his followers to break every decent and moral guidelines that they had under tha so called Jahiliyah and turned his new 'Muslim converts' into merciless, subservient and unthinking killing machines.

2 Muhammad and his followers invariably attacked their unwary victims by ambushing them.


3 Muhammad and his followers almost always attacked their victims during the PROHIBITED MONTHS.


4 All these so called 'battles' were actually PIRATICAL RAIDS upon mostly civilian and trading targets to gain BOOTY, PLUNDER, SLAVES and females to RAPE.


5 Muhammad and his Allah shared 20% of all the booty. Since Allah does not claim His share, all the plunder then belongs to Muhammad.

Why would any 'divinity', any creator of the universe, need to partake and share in the plunder of human beings, is beyond logic and beneath contempt.


6 Muhammad created a following whose total allegiance was to himself and his mission only and who were willing and able to slaughter their own fathers, brothers and kinsmen to satisfy Muhammad's 'vision' of 'Islam'.


7 Muhammad & his Allah show a depraved indifference for the suffering of their victims. They both, actually, gloated and were delighted at the torment and degradation of their prey.


8 Muhammad's Allah supports Muhammad and his followers in EVERY battle against the UNBELIEVERS - Pagans, Jews and Christians - by sending them Angels of Death to help in the slaughter.


9 Allah causes the slaughter of his own PRE DESTINED creatures for being UNBELIEVERS although it was Allah who had PRE DESTINED them to be so.


19 Not a single one of the UNBELIEVERS had the FREE WILL to chose RIGHT from WRONG and YET they were and are all consigned to Allah's Hell.


20 Muhammad's Allah, in verse after verse in the Quran, INCITES, EXHORTS and DIRECTS Muhammad and his followers to SLAUGHTER, PLUNDER, SUBJUGATE, ENSLAVE and DESTROY all those who do not believe in 'Allah and his messenger Muhammad'.


21 In all the verses above, the SICKENING theme is the same:
AMBUSH, DECEIVE, SLAUGHTER, BOOTY, PLUNDER, TERRORISE, SUBJUGATE, GLOAT.


22 Not a single verse shows MERCY or COMPASSION to anyone, by either Allah or Muhammad.

In summation and in reality, to explain all the INCONSISTENCIES, DEPRAVITIES, IMMORALITIES, HATEMONGERING, WARMONGERING, PLUNDERING, RAPE, SLAUGHTERING, ERRORS, ENSLAVEMENT and MENDACITIES in the Quran and Hadiths, one can come to the following ONLY LOGICAL conclusion:

That Allah was and is INNOCENT of all these CRIMES because in fact, all the Quranic verses and the Hadith stories were and are Muhammad's own CREATION, his own ALTER EGO ingeniously projected into the unsuspecting mouth of Allah, the Pagan Arabian supreme rock god of the Ka'ba, the Black Stone.

Your writeup is somehow filmsy. Can you back it up with some reference if you are not a liar?

Your writeup is somehow filmsy. Can you back it up with some reference if you are not a liar?

What proof do you need again. I have just given you the proof from the Quran

littleb:

Your writeup is somehow filmsy. Can you back it up with some reference if you are not a liar?

His writeup? I can't help but to laugh.

These guys know nothing but cut and paste. Thats what they know how to do best.

@focused123

I cant find your quotation, agreed, you listed some criticisms which I doubted you never read from the Quran and hadiths. Moreso, you never quoted the chapter or verse where you got your info. If you think you re up to something sensible and religious benefit, I think you can offer it wisdom. Muslims will tell you Allah says, they should called people to Islam with wisdom and patient. Did jesus mention anything like that according to what you belief, if yes, then you truly against him. Can we just say, you can be rightly judged who you are and people will ignore you forever.

I cant find your quotation, agreed, you listed some criticisms which I doubted you never read from the Quran and hadiths. Moreso, you never quoted the chapter or verse where you got your info. If you think you re up to something sensible and religious benefit, I think you can offer it wisdom. Muslims will tell you Allah says, they should called people to Islam with wisdom and patient. Did jesus mention anything like that according to what you belief, if yes, then you truly against him. Can we just say, you can be rightly judged who you are and people will ignore you forever.

@littleb :

This are the quotations from your hadiths :

Bukhari:5.440 "Allah's Apostle used to say, 'None has the right to be worshipped except Allah Alone because He honored His Warriors and made His Messenger victorious. He defeated the clans; so there is nothing left.'"


Bukhari:5.456 "Muhammad led the Fear Prayer [Allahu Akbar!] with one batch of his army while the other (batch) faced the enemy."


Bukhari:5.512 "The Prophet offered the Fajr Prayer [Prayer of Fear] near Khaybar when it was still dark. He said, 'Allahu-Akbar!' [Allah is Greatest] Khaybar is destroyed, for whenever we approach a hostile nation to fight, then evil will be the morning for those who have been warned.' Then the inhabitants came out running on their roads. The Prophet had their men killed; their children and woman were taken as captives."


Bukhari:5.516 "When Allah's Apostle fought or raided people we raised our voices saying, 'Allahu-Akbar! Allahu-Akbar! None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.'"

Bukhari:5.569 "I fought in seven Ghazwat battles along with the Prophet and fought in nine Maghazi raids in armies dispatched by the Prophet."


Bukhari:5.702 "Allah did not admonish anyone who had not participated in the Ghazwa [raid] of Badr, for in fact, Allah's Apostle had only gone out in search of the Quraysh caravan so that he could rob it. But Allah arranged for the Muslims and their enemy to meet by surprise. I was at the Aqaba pledge with Allah's Apostle when we gave our lives in submission, but the Badr battle is more popular amongst the people. I was never stronger or wealthier than I was when I followed the Prophet on a Ghazwa.'"


Bukhari 7.115 Narrated by Ibn Umar
During the lifetime of the Prophet we used to avoid chatting leisurely and freely with our wives lest some Divine inspiration might be revealed concerning us. But when the Prophet had died, we started chatting leisurely and freely (with them).

Muhammad was an EQUAL OPPORTUNITY PREDATOR. He could not show any Mercy or Compassion to any and ALL who did not believe as he did. His followers, even at the present time, after the lapse of 1450 years, exhibit the same unrestrained HATEMONGERING and WARMONGERING characteristics, all over the world

God will save us from Terror (Islamist and Muhammedans) and people who cannot make use of their common sense (Amen)

@focussed123

Thank you for all your critiques on Islam and our beloved prophet. I still consider them as an ironic demonstration of overreaction as long as you can still trace some of what you read in those hadiths to what we here on news, read on internet by linking muslims to terrorists, fundamentalist and so on.

First, I would like you to know that Islam define every aspect of human life and has procedures in implementing it as stated in Quran and hadiths. There is no arguement that prophet Muhammmad fought wars in his lifetime. However, what predate those wars and how was the event carried out. It was very clear in the history of Islam that the muslims went through a lot of tribulations and troubled in the hand of kufar. Accepting Islam and worshiping in islam was like inviting troubled. Yet, many accepted Islam including slaves, faced severe tribulations thereby some lose thier life like that of Zumayah and tortored like that of Bilal. Yet, they didn't fight. Afterall, muslims relocated to Madinah, many had to travel in the night to avoid being killed by the kufar. This mark the first Hirah in Islam. The muslims return to makah, thier homeland thereafter with much population, still the hostility and persecution from the kufar did not ceazed untill allah revealed the first verse to fight. After the conquest of makkah, people find tranquilty and total peace which prophet brought to every tribe living in Makkah and environs. In the light of this, the ffg verse revealed to muslims to accommodate the unbelievers.

“If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; and then escort him to where he can be secure that is because they are men without knowledge.” Qur’an 9:6

No one raise a sword on anybody who doesn't accept Islam and even during war, only the people who raises sword were fought, the children, the old, the women,animals and the vegetations were all spared. In one quotation I read about our beloved prophet; stated thus:

Exercising superb statecraft, he welded the five heterogenous and conflicting tribes of the city, three of which were Jewish, into an orderly confederation, His reputation spread and people began to flock from every part of Arabia to see the man who had wrought this 'miracle.' (Smith, 230).

Now, regards to hadeeths you stated:

When the prophet and the sahabah were victorious over thier enemy. Is there any wars fought in the bible similar to what prophet Muhammad or not?

What responsible for those wars and how were they caried out?

Was Jesus ordered his enemy to killed or not?

Was jesus orderred his followers to buy sword or not?

Was Jesus not stated he was not sent for peace or not?

I think you need to ask yourself and justify your critique on Islam. Mind you, belief is not about what people say and what people do. I think you need to read the divine books.

Terrorism is part and parcel of Islam for the following reasons :

[b]1 Muhammad ordered and incited his followers to break every decent and moral guidelines that they had under tha so called Jahiliyah and turned his new 'Muslim converts' into merciless, subservient and unthinking killing machines.

2 Muhammad and his followers invariably attacked their unwary victims by ambushing them.


3 Muhammad and his followers almost always attacked their victims during the PROHIBITED MONTHS.


4 All these so called 'battles' were actually PIRATICAL RAIDS upon mostly civilian and trading targets to gain BOOTY, PLUNDER, SLAVES and females to RAPE.


5 Muhammad and his Allah shared 20% of all the booty. Since Allah does not claim His share, all the plunder then belongs to Muhammad.

Why would any 'divinity', any creator of the universe, need to partake and share in the plunder of human beings, is beyond logic and beneath contempt.


6 Muhammad created a following whose total allegiance was to himself and his mission only and who were willing and able to slaughter their own fathers, brothers and kinsmen to satisfy Muhammad's 'vision' of 'Islam'.


7 Muhammad & his Allah show a depraved indifference for the suffering of their victims. They both, actually, gloated and were delighted at the torment and degradation of their prey.


8 Muhammad's Allah supports Muhammad and his followers in EVERY battle against the UNBELIEVERS - Pagans, Jews and Christians - by sending them Angels of Death to help in the slaughter.


9 Allah causes the slaughter of his own PRE DESTINED creatures for being UNBELIEVERS although it was Allah who had PRE DESTINED them to be so.


19 Not a single one of the UNBELIEVERS had the FREE WILL to chose RIGHT from WRONG and YET they were and are all consigned to Allah's Hell.


20 Muhammad's Allah, in verse after verse in the Quran, INCITES, EXHORTS and DIRECTS Muhammad and his followers to SLAUGHTER, PLUNDER, SUBJUGATE, ENSLAVE and DESTROY all those who do not believe in 'Allah and his messenger Muhammad'.


21 In all the verses above, the SICKENING theme is the same:
AMBUSH, DECEIVE, SLAUGHTER, BOOTY, PLUNDER, TERRORISE, SUBJUGATE, GLOAT.


22 Not a single verse shows MERCY or COMPASSION to anyone, by either Allah or Muhammad.

In summation and in reality, to explain all the INCONSISTENCIES, DEPRAVITIES, IMMORALITIES, HATEMONGERING, WARMONGERING, PLUNDERING, RAPE, SLAUGHTERING, ERRORS, ENSLAVEMENT and MENDACITIES in the Quran and Hadiths, one can come to the following ONLY LOGICAL conclusion:

That Allah was and is INNOCENT of all these CRIMES because in fact, all the Quranic verses and the Hadith stories were and are Muhammad's own CREATION, his own ALTER EGO ingeniously projected into the unsuspecting mouth of Allah, the Pagan Arabian supreme rock god of the Ka'ba, the Black Stone,

Islam is nothing but a joke. Islam is responsible for the backwardness of Nigeria especially northern Nigeria [/b].

@focused,

why don't you argue with facts? Let us make an assumption that you did not copy and paste; ok

Now those things that you listed in your most recent post are untrue.

Have you read the Quran?

If your answer is no, how can you attribute all those untruths that you posted to the Quran?

Unless of course, you are just a munafiqi, in which case, Allah ,

ayinba1:

@focused,

why don't you argue with facts? Let us make an assumption that you did not copy and paste; ok

Now those things that you listed in your most recent post are untrue.

Have you read the Quran?

If your answer is no, how can you attribute all those untruths that you posted to the Quran?

Unless of course, you are just a munafiqi, in which case, Allah ,

All I have been writing are all facts, but what I get from all the Islamist on this website are nothing but denial of facts and veracity. I have read the Quran and I know it more than all of you combined.

The Quran is evil and the people who read it get an evil mindset.

Ishaq:315        "It was so criminal, men could hardly imagine it. Muhammad was ennobled because of the bloody fighting. I swear we shall never lack soldiers, nor army leaders. Driving before us infidels until we subdue them with a halter above their noses and a branding iron. We will drive them to the ends of the earth. We will pursue them on horse and on foot. We will never deviate from fighting in our cause. We will bring upon the infidels the fate of the Ad and Jurhum. Any people that disobey Muhammad will pay for it. If you do not surrender to Islam, then you will live to regret it. You will be shamed in Hell, forced to wear a garment of molten pitch forever!"

Ishaq:326        "If you come upon them, deal so forcibly as to terrify those who would follow, that they may be warned. Make a severe example of them by terrorizing Allah's enemies."

Ishaq:326       "Allah said, 'No Prophet before Muhammad took booty from his enemy nor prisoners for ransom.' Muhammad said, 'I was made victorious with terror. The earth was made a place for me to clean. I was given the most powerful words. Booty was made lawful for me. I was given the power to intercede. These five privileges were awarded to no prophet before me.'"


Even according to the records of the 'Muslims', ONLY Muhammad was a TERRORIST, PLUNDERING and BOOTY seeking 'prophet'

abuzola999:

Yes o, we remain the greatest warrior. Long live Islam

You will be defeated Coward. Wild donkey

abuzola999:

It will only happen in your dream, hehehehe. Anyway ve u seen how am pounding your xtrian section ? Hahaha no mercy,

You are no match for us. You stupid coward. Of course you will be defeated.

abuzola999:

Never

Of course you have been defeated that is why you are acting like a mad dog. You have been defeated that is why you resort to violence to defence your cult because your allah is dead and cannot defend itself.

Worshipper of black stone (rock god of kabbah)

@Abuzola :

Copy and paste at its best.

Madman.

You are daft

can some one tell me who is this person Abuzola?

is christens in this from?

@Abuzola :

You and Muhammed are the most daft people on earth. All you know is violence and killings. Also you have utter stupidity credited to your Islamic account.

focused123
who is he abuzola?

dabos:

focused123
who is he abuzola?

Abuzola is a prominent member of one notorious Boko Haram. He is a militant Islamist.

Mts. *Shook head.*

focuresd

5 Muhammad and his Allah shared 20% of all the booty. Since Allah does not claim His share, all the plunder then belongs to Muhammad. waht do you mean?

Most violent extremists or group act in the name of islam. Is their justification true? A rhetorical question that needs to be pondered upon. Is terrorism an Arab world or a muslim world? Even in west africa where there seems to be continuous ethnic and tribal clash, the hausa muslims amongst them uses 'jihad' as a justification to the killings of their fellow non-tribal muslim 'brothers'. Should we then say that all muslims regardless of their background or ethnicity but originating from an Arab speaking nations are capable of an act of terrorism? Pardon my use of rhetoric's. What does Netanyahu (2001) and Morgenthau (Knopf, 1978) have in common? The secret the idealist will never know. The Yoruba muslims are just a 'trying to fit in muslim' They strongly believe in Jesus than some acclaimed 'christians'. They should be ashamed of themselves and strive harder in leaving behind the old phrase 'what would Alfa kareem or haja Limota say if I convert to christianity.' Christianity is not a religion; its a way of life (John 14:6). Get a life you yoruba muslims!

@post :

Islam cannot FIGHT terrorism because terrorism is part and parcel of Islam. Their leaders can come out and say that they are fighting terrorism but secretly they are promoting terrorism theologically (by brainwashing their gullible followers), morally and financially.

Saudi Arabia for instance claim to be fighting terrorism but their leaders are busy promoting Wahabism both in Saudi Arabia, in other Muhammedan states round the world and through Islamic websites.

In Northern Nigeria, the leaders hypocritically say they are against violence with their mouths while they encourage and sponsor militants like Maitaisine, kala kato, Boko Haram etc. These militants have killed millions of people, what have the leaders done about it ?

Islam was propagated by terror and deceit. It is in the Quran and the Hadiths.

I thank Allah I use my time doing things that are worth-doing.

muhsin:

I thank Allah I use my time doing things that are worth-doing.

Such as ?

Why do you wanna know?