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Islam And Terrorist by Nobody: 12:58pm On Jul 26, 2008 |
how can islam tackle terror , contribution please |
Re: Islam And Terrorist by olabowale(m): 1:44pm On Jul 26, 2008 |
@Jayon: Hopefully a better way, or at least the same way the Christian tackled their Terrorist Crusaders, Polgromists, etc in Europe, and other places. Inshallah, the muslims will not have to secularize their religion, going to the extreme of just keeping it by name, only, without the fundamental substance that it has kept it, right from the time of its completion on the noble Prophet, (AS). We will not borrow from the Jews, also, since Islam has all the answers, we just have to go back to the moderation in religion and adequately appropriate resolute that are enjoined in the Qur'an and Sunnah. Read the Qur'an and study the sunnah. At least no one can jazz you for acquisition of knowledge. Only a fool will say that he never gets offended or angered when he is wronged. You know the doctrine of turning the other cheek does not work. It has never worked. No one single event in human history hassuccessfully demostrated it. Not Jesuswho was reported to have said it. Afterall, he did not allow Paul to continue to persecute him, when he had enough, he yelled from "Christian heaven," Saul, Saul why persecute me? By the way the Christian heaven is where Jesus is now, right? When the Christians refer to their best destination after this worldly life, it is the Christian heaven. Then how can somebody in this heaven, be feeling any persecution from events on earth? If Jesus felt the persecution on himself there, is that truly a peaceful place, a good heaven? If Jesus believed that Saul was persecuting his rightly guided followers, he would just have said why persecute my follwoers, not why persecute me. Afterall, his followers and him were not the same body, etc. I have to bring this up, because this is the way human mind works. I hope you and those who are going to contribute to this thread, will try to engage me on this. |
Re: Islam And Terrorist by theopops: 8:06pm On Jul 28, 2008 |
olabowale: After all these gibberish, how does that answer the question? So, you are supposed to strike back, once someone does you wrong? According to you, Islam does not mean peace, because if it did, you will recognize that when a wrong thing is done to you, killing the person is not the peaceful way to go. Thanks for confirming what we have always know. Islam doesn't mean peace. |
Re: Islam And Terrorist by babs787(m): 8:48pm On Jul 28, 2008 |
@theopops After all these gibberish, how does that answer the question[b]? So, you are supposed to strike back, once someone does you wrong? According to you, Islam does not mean peace, because if it did, you will recognize that when a wrong thing is done to you, killing the person is not the peaceful way to go[/b]. Thanks for confirming what we have always know. Islam doesn't mean peace. Insha Allah, I will reply you when I am free giving you answer from the Quran, Hadith and in the light of the bible. Thanks |
Re: Islam And Terrorist by olabowale(m): 11:24pm On Jul 28, 2008 |
@theopops:
How you came about this, above from my piece is very amazing. You should at least provide proofs. Okay a singular proof. You can not tell me that i insinuated from my writing that islam does not value peace, even though i dislike meekness. There are are many instances in the Qur'an where meekness is encouraged. For a example a society where they have practiced revenge for many generations without end, is even encouraged to forgive, without revenge and not taking a ransome as in the blood money. But to seek mercy and reward about the loss from Allah alone. Now top that. |
Re: Islam And Terrorist by Nobody: 11:36pm On Jul 28, 2008 |
olabowale: What a most foolish response. He asked a simple question and all of a sudden jews, christians, crusade, progrom, heaven, Paul, Jesus e.t.c. are appeariing in your post? What has all that got to do with the basic question - Islam and terror? I ask for the 1000th time - is it possible to discuss anything about islam without dragging christianity into it? |
Re: Islam And Terrorist by reindeer: 11:51pm On Jul 28, 2008 |
@olabowale and you said i was wrong when i said islam has no identity without christianity, look at the scenario qtn: how can ISLAM tackle terrorism your ans: should only do better that CHRISTIANTY, which was obviously not mentioned by the question, you just had to come around to it, you only confirm it, you cant answer a single question on anything islam without mentioning those words, jesus,bible,jews,christians etc as a test case can you pls answer the following question, who was prophet mohammed ?(im supposed to put pbuh as a mark or respect here) i bet your answer will start with THATS THE GUY AFTER JESUS CAME, isnt that so? |
Re: Islam And Terrorist by littleb(m): 3:19pm On Jul 29, 2008 |
@jayon, how can islam tackle terror , contribution please I wish you are sincere with your question, probably you will get a better response. Check through my dictionany, if I am correct terror means violent or threat of violence carried out for political purpose. With this, it is very glaring everywhere both internationally and local. Fighting/tackling it is a sociental obligation and not only peculier to muslim or Islamic religion. As a muslim, Islam against terror in whatever form and not only nonislamic but also against humanity, whoever does it has commited a grievous sin against a divine law. Such a person, if caught should be dealt with according to the law. |
Re: Islam And Terrorist by samba123(m): 3:48pm On Jul 29, 2008 |
jayon: Dealing with the problem in our society is not just Terrorism we have a lots of problems and we have been experiencing in our Life. These questions had been circulating all around. Muslim label continue in every form of the media accompanied by gross misinformation about Islam, such misinformation and false propaganda often leads to discrimination and acts of violence against Muslims world. *The only thing we can tackle is to give advice or dawaah in our own community that is the best ways. *Advertising using the media and issuing pamphlets *Educate those people who are misinform about Islam. *Symposium in a public place *Inviting groups or association in every sectors of society and establishing a common term and idea to focus and educate more people regarding Islamic belief and teaching of the Quran and Sunnah of our Prophet (saw). These things can improve regarding those people who oppose and can educate/teach them that Muslims are tolerant religion in our society. |
Re: Islam And Terrorist by ayinba1(f): 4:22pm On Jul 29, 2008 |
@littleb, samba, babs and ola May Almighty Allah continue to bless you all @poster Your question is on spot. This is because, if a society is good, it is because of the musllims, and if it is bad, it is the muslims. Allah has perfected our religion for us, so , yes we have the tools to tackle every ill of society. What is described as terror/terrorism today is constantly being linked to Isalm. The first step to understanding the answer is to disabuse your mind that terror acts are Islamic. Muslims understand the rules of warfare. howver "terror" on the news today follow neither Quranic injunctions nor reported practices of Prophet Mohammed (SAW). By practising Islam the way the Prophet did, we solve the terror problem by more than 90%. However, when the current "junta" continues to harass (intimidate, imprison, ridicule, oppress etc (you know the list) muslims that have no connection to terror events), and discriminate against people simply because they are muslims, where will you find the muslims to effect a change? Take Britain as a case in study, as soon as they started to work with muslims, they have foiled more than one terror attempts. Other wise societies are taking a cue from the Brits. |
Re: Islam And Terrorist by olabowale(m): 12:02am On Jul 30, 2008 |
@Reindeer:
When are you a Jew? Aren't you a guy from Africa,probably west african and a good chance that you are a nigerian? Has Christianity faired well without aligning itself with the Jews? You even have their torah, which you call OT to make your book feel fuller, yet you have no regard for it. You are quick to disregard its injuctions for evenSaul/Paul's wierd statements.
If you had actually bet or wagered with me, with something substantial like all your earnings from now till you are about 80 years, or otherwise revert to islam, i would have answered your question by putting you in a poor house or you will be wearing a jalabiyya. You probably will look exotically handsome in it anyway. My answer would have been the man who is answer from Allah of the prayer of prophet Ibrahim for his progeny. Read about the prayer of Ibrahim and the acceptance of that prayer and the answer from God. There is a place in Makka called maqam Ibrahim, thats where the prayer is made. How about that. You lost bigtime. |
Re: Islam And Terrorist by JeSoul(f): 3:33pm On Jul 30, 2008 |
reindeer:hehe Alhaji you shot yourself in the foot, see as you just exposed urself. The fact is islam is lost without christianity, or better yet islam is just plain lost. |
Re: Islam And Terrorist by reindeer: 12:38am On Jul 31, 2008 |
@olabowale you are quite an interesting chap wouldnt mind meeting you outta this allegation slinging forum. you can mail me at rednosedeer@lycos.com you never cease to make me smile and attimes laugh |
Re: Islam And Terrorist by olabowale(m): 11:16pm On Jul 31, 2008 |
@JeSoul:
Is KFC lost without McDonald? When a question is asked by Jayon about terrorism in Islam, considering thathe is a Christian, I need to remind him that once and even now some people believe that Christianity has a whole lotta terrorists in it. It is there prudent for me to bring out to the reminder of the days when the Christians used to terrorise the whole world, with the Bible and cross in one hand and guns and weap in the other. The colonizers brought about their religion along with their intention of land and mineral resources grabbing mentality. Ask the Native Americans. The have never forgotten. Since you like the Simpsons, yesterday they show how the whole Springfield township was moved, because of the atrocities of the pilgrims. In Yorubaland there is an expression that goes something like this: What ever it is similar to is what you compare what you are describing. The pattern on the palm tree does not resemble the forehand of the Turtle. I could have used the jewish terrorising people in the past and now the palestines as my response, but i want you christians to know that you have gone through the same experience as the muslims may be now going through. Is that shooting myself in the foot? Maybe I should conveniently deny the fact that there are still people who continue to feel some form of atrocious behaviors from the christians; see the You tube video: Christian misionary atrocities. hehe. |
Re: Islam And Terrorist by olabowale(m): 2:35pm On Aug 01, 2008 |
@OmoAwo: May God Almighty reward you for your piece below. May God give justice to Reverend Pat Robertson. Dealing in Justice and Mercy in truth without a creation being able to complain is what Allah the Almighty is able to do.
Any question or at least comments? |
Re: Islam And Terrorist by OmoAwo: 3:29pm On Aug 01, 2008 |
And you too Olabowale. I spent over a day looking for the write-up from my archive. Mysteriously though, the topic where you copied the posting from has disappeared on Nairaland.com. Salam alaikum w/w |
Re: Islam And Terrorist by ayinba1(f): 6:59pm On Aug 01, 2008 |
@omoawo, I looked for the topic too right after I posted a reply this am. Tx for the post |
Re: Islam And Terrorist by theopops: 7:57pm On Aug 01, 2008 |
This is still interesting. The only way to answer the question, is to look into the same book that you all say is corrupted. I mean, on one side, you use the same Bible to justify your beliefs. On the other hand, you say the same book is wrong and it is not authentic. Something is definitely wrong here. Ok, lets just say you are right about everything you typed, i.e, Omoawo, can you please answer the question. How come in the present day, read me well, in 21st century, when there is a case of people blowing up a place, it is always, lets be generous here and say 75% related to Islam? Please, kindly answer this question, without going into the corrupted book aka Bible. Question is, what can be done to reduce the link between terrorism and Islam? Unless you are not being honest with yourself, you agree there is indeed a link between the two, in this present time. Again, emphasis is on 21st century. Not 2000 yrs ago, not 500 yrs ago, we talking 2008. Thanks. |
Re: Islam And Terrorist by olabowale(m): 8:05pm On Aug 01, 2008 |
@Ayinba1: I was surprised that they cancelled the thread after you posted. They seem to have itchy finger, forgeting that most of us are grown ups. We can handle more situations than they give us credit for. I guess they cancelled it, because they did not read through Omoawo's piece. maybe they are concerned about the reaction of some cronic reactionary muslims. These type of muslims give the nairaland musims a bad stigma. But of course the worldwide number of such muslims and their mindset, though a small percentage of the muslims, they have set the trend whereby the enemies of Islam have been able to libel the Ummah with a title tha does not befit it. |
Re: Islam And Terrorist by ayinba1(f): 8:36pm On Aug 01, 2008 |
@thepops The topic is Islam and terrorist. You have nothing to say to the above post? Are you going to deny that these verses came from the bible? If your answer is no, then you really have nothing to say. Now, when you and your cronies start to say that Islam supports "terror",then this is proof that Christianity based on these verses supports terror,barbarism and violence. There are no limits to what "God" allows you to do. While we don't argue that some of the "terror " acts today are committed by those who say they are muslims,we show you verses from the Quran that warn against what these people do. However because of your zeal to tarnish Islam, you refuse to see. Okay now, tell us about the verses above, I can just hear them say, "come on now,that's old testament" turn a page and God changes |
Re: Islam And Terrorist by Nobody: 8:38pm On Aug 01, 2008 |
ayinba1: It simply reiterates the absurdity of islam and its unhealthy obsession with the bible. You CLEARLY stated the topic, kindly show me what it has to do with biblical verses. Theopops made a very valid point - on one hand olabowale is trying to dismiss the topic (posted by a muslim by the way) by using the time tested islamic excuse of "well see bible verses too" . . . the very same bible you once claimed the pen of the scribes had corrupted? Can you truly have it both ways? |
Re: Islam And Terrorist by ayinba1(f): 8:49pm On Aug 01, 2008 |
Bible strongly supports terror.That's all the post said. The original posted question has been answered. So much for you getting banned from this forum. |
Re: Islam And Terrorist by Nobody: 8:52pm On Aug 01, 2008 |
ayinba1: The mere fact that a muslim made this thread already discredits your ready made "see bible too" excuse. Bringing "proof" from the bible does not absolve you of having to answer the REAL ISSUE - why is islam always associated with terrorism? When christians debate the issue of "violent" scriptures in the bible, how many of them do you see scrambling to post the quran to run away from having to answer the question? I will look forward to a day when muslims can have a honest introspection that will exclude the bible, christians, jews . . . sadly i dont see it every coming. It only strengthens the growing conviction that without christianity, islam has no identity. ayinba1: True . . . but one thing OmoAwo clearly skipped when posting his litany of bible scripture are clear verses that say in no certain terms - love your enemies and do good to those who dispitefully use you. Did you also see it? ayinba1: I can also hear and read you say "oh but come on now, the bible also has violent verses". |
Re: Islam And Terrorist by ayinba1(f): 8:56pm On Aug 01, 2008 |
Islam refers to the bible so that you may understand. Do not for one second think that Islam or the Quran needs the Bible to stand. We refer to the bible so that you may understand. Even on nairaland,check out posts that talk to muslims alone (with no contamination from nosy ones like David - ) Then tell me if the bible was used. My derbrother,open your heart. You know Islam is the truth.give your heart rest. Peace |
Re: Islam And Terrorist by Nobody: 8:57pm On Aug 01, 2008 |
ayinba1: I know that is what omoAwo's post was saying but it still begs the question, is that the best answer a muslim can come up with? Q: why is islam associated with terror? muslim: well see bible too? How does that answer the question posted by a muslim? The original question was not answered at all, the longest and only coherent post came from omoawo and its all full of "well see bible too" . . . absolutely nothing to do with the topic. Back to your baseless allegation - if indeed the bible STRONGLY supported terror, why are majority christian nations not supporters of terror? ayinba1: Is this seriously the best a muslim can do? What a shame. |
Re: Islam And Terrorist by ayinba1(f): 9:00pm On Aug 01, 2008 |
David Daviiiid, Now open your eyes.When did Jayon become a muslim? I wasn't informed. but he/she is welcome anytime. And davidylan: But I already said that |
Re: Islam And Terrorist by ayinba1(f): 9:04pm On Aug 01, 2008 |
David, You seriously do not think my answer (see above)was incoherent.you may not like it though since I neither mentioned the bible nor the Xtians. Therefore I gave you nothing to bite into. What exactly are you looking for? I mean there are 3-4 responses up there and none makes sense to you?? |
Re: Islam And Terrorist by Nobody: 9:08pm On Aug 01, 2008 |
ayinba1: 1. Why does islam refer ONLY to the bible and no other book? 2. That we may understand what? Does that mean the quran isnt complete? 3. What bible does islam refer to? The one they claim is corrupt? - if indeed the quran didnt need the bible to stand, why does it refer to it "that we may understand"? ayinba1: Does the quran also refer to the buddhists manual that buddhists too may understand? ayinba1: Pls look and tell me how many of them barely manage to limp over 2 pages. ayinba1: Islam is the truth simply because you make the claim? You have to convince me first and you arent doing a good job at all if the best you can do is CONSTANTLY refer me to the bible! The way to explain the quran is not to spend 90% of your time saying the bible is wrong. |
Re: Islam And Terrorist by Nobody: 9:10pm On Aug 01, 2008 |
ayinba1: The first response was from olabowale and you can guess what was there - jews, christians, bible, Paul . . . what have those to do with the topic. Babs787 claimed he was coming to give a response (of course we are still waiting) but ONLY promising to do so "IN THE LIGHT OF THE BIBLE". Now what has the bible to do with the topic? Pls what other "responses" have i missed? |
Re: Islam And Terrorist by ayinba1(f): 9:16pm On Aug 01, 2008 |
David, you know Ramadan is coming up. This is a perfect opportunity and time for you to revertto Islam. Can youimagine how much rewards you will gain from Allah? You will be like a brand newbaby free of sins. People may make it hard for you when you become a muslim but you have to keep your eyes on the goal--Aljannah. And fastingis really easy onceyou start and fullof somany rewards. Remember too that a person with "even a grain of pride in his heart will not enter aljannah" pride here means turning ones nose up at the truth(Allah,Prophets, Islam,Quran) I pray that Allah makes it easy for you (Amin) |
Re: Islam And Terrorist by ayinba1(f): 9:18pm On Aug 01, 2008 |
@david I don't know if you are aware but Babs lost his dad. I am confident that he will respond to the topic as soon as he can. |
Re: Islam And Terrorist by Nobody: 9:20pm On Aug 01, 2008 |
ayinba1: If even mohammad wasnt sure at his death what allah would do to him how else can i be convinced? What sins by the way? What is the quranic definition of sin? Pls a verse would do? How does allah remove sin? Pls just one quranic verse would do? Its not enough to just make claims, i want to know that indeed that is allah's plan for the muslim slave. ayinba1: oops. Alas i mispoke, my sincere condolences to babs. |
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