Bidam: Refer to this thread for clarity on the subject matter sir.

https://www.nairaland.com/1141513/why-believers-should-speak-tongues

fredx4:
2..... the question is were you holy before you got born again.

fredx4: One of the functions of the Holy Spirit is to make you live a holy life plus if you are already perfect and holy then why do you need the Holy Spirit.

fredx4: Besides the Holy Spirit dwells in your spirit(that is born again) and not your flesh( that is filled with corruption).

fredx4: 3. The Holy Spirit will leave you if live a sinful life: Jesus Christ said the Holy Spirit will abide with you forever(john14:16) I don't know where most people get the doctrine that if you commit sin the Holy Spirit will leave you from. The Holy Spirit is there to make to make you perfect and will never leave you nor forsake you.

bizmahn:
If you were ever taught the proper way to get born again you realise it involves total repentance,full confession & complete withrawal from all known sins.Not the type they practise in backslidden pentecostal churches these days that pronounces you born again with your sins intact.Even if you've never been holy,you must at least be fully repented & cleansed from all sins before you can ever be eligible for holy ghost baptism.

You don't really know much about salvation. If it was possible for you too gain God's approval by keeping the law then why did Jesus Christ have to die for our sins. Confessing your sins does not make you holy what you confess to get saved is Jesus Christ and do you mean that a sinner that gets born again will suddenly withdraw from all known sins

The Holy spirit aids and empowers you as you obey Him.He doesn't work without your submission & cooperation.

Now did I say you shouldn't cooperate with the Holy spirit.

If sins are still allowed wilfully as is the practise of so many misguided tongue speaking pentecostals,the spirit remains in corruption & cannot habour the HOLY spirit.

When you get saved, you become a new creature(your spirit). Your new spirit is incorruptible but what you have problem with is your body and your mind.

Folks like you are the reason why we have even half nak'ed prostitutes & unrepentant rougues in church speaking in "tongues".Your teaching in the above is part of the reason Catholic church members are bold to bash pentecostals.How can a spirit that is HOLY dwell in a sin infested spirit.Even catholics will mock you on this one.Bros,If you sin (at least wilfully) the HOLY spirit of the Jesus Christ (not the one of carnal pentecostals)will depart from you IMMEDIATELY take it or argue with it till Jerusalem.
Everybody needs the Holy Spirit, if a prostitute can get saved then he/she has qualified for the baptism of the Holy Spirit and I don't have any business with the catholics they can say what they like.
You have just talked like a pharisee, you are trying to gain God's approval by keeping the law instead of accepting Jesus Christ's righteousness

bizmahn: The only SPIRIT that can dwell in the life of a wilful sin allowing christian is an EVIL spirit and never the HOLY spirit.Are you truely holy ghost baptised? Go on and allow sin & decieve yourself that the holy spirit is still in you while you yet speak in those tongues you trust in.

fredx4:
I really don't know how to help you, but you need to be delivered from sin consciousness.

fredx4:
You don't really know much about salvation. If it was possible for you too gain God's approval by keeping the law then why did Jesus Christ have to die for our sins. Confessing your sins does not make you holy what you confess to get saved is Jesus Christ and do you mean that a sinner that gets born again will suddenly withdraw from all known sins

bizmahn:
You are the one that truely needs help.You need to be delivered from downplaying the threat of sin to a sin loving,sin allowing,fake tongues speaking christian.

fredx4:
I never said any christian should love sin. No christian in his right senses will be happy to commit sin but has hatred for sin stopped christians from committing sin? Read the book of galatians you are justified either by works(keeping the law) or by grace, you can't mix both together. Sin consciousness won't stop you from committing sin instead it'll bring condemnation to you when you fall into sin, thereby hindering you from getting blessed by God. Galatians 2:16 "knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified"

bizmahn:
Do you also realise that faith without works is dead james 2:20.The works of the law being spoken of in the verse you quoted are the ceremonial laws whereby animal sacrifices are done.It doesn't include the moral laws that require you to work in effort to live righteous.Work out your salvation.Phil.2:12,13.
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You seriously need a balanced understanding of the scriptures according to 2 tim.2:15....rightly dividing the word of truth.

fredx4:
What do you mean by ceremonial laws? So you think God classifies His laws as important and ceremonial. You have just shown me that you have no knowledge of the scriptures. If you fulfil 99.9% of the law, you are still going to hell. So know what you are doing if you want to justify yourself before God by fulfilling the law and reject the grace of God.

bizmahn:
okay you that have knowledge of the scriptures more than the apotles reply James on James 2:20: faith without works is dead.

fredx4:
You are obviously a babe in Christ according to 1pet2:2. So you think works being mentioned in that verse signifies the works of the law. Do me a favour go and read the whole book of James so that you'll get the context in which he said that. Buh if you still don't get it, inform me then I'll explain it to you.

bizmahn: okay honourable adult in Christ that have knowledge of the scriptures more than the apotles reply James on James 2:20: faith without works is dead.
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I'm still waiting...

fredx4:
Okay works in that verse was talking about showing love to people and helping the poor.

bizmahn:

Hehehehehehe!! honourable adult in Christ, I expected you'd do more than that.You sure should know more than babes in Christ.
Anyway to make it simple, works there means works of righteousness which is not limited to "showing love to people & helping the poor".
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We have our part to play as christians & God has His own part too.GRACE WHICH IS MISUNDERSTOOD BY NEW GENERATION CHURCHES IS NOT A CONCESSION OR AN ALLOWANCE GOD GIVES US TO GO AHEAD & SIN SINCE WE HAVE A SINFUL NATURE RATHER IT IS THE SUPERNATURAL POWER,ABILITY,STRENGHT,KNOWLEDGE ETC WHICH GOD GIVES US (THROUGH PRAYER,FASTING,FELLOWSHIP,OBEDIENCE ETC) WITH WHICH TO LIVE RIGHTEOUSLY AND LIVE ABOVE SIN.We are required in the new testament to make efforts through grace God bestows on us to live righteously.If you fail to make efforts & hang only on the fact that Christ has done it all for you & you must not "WORK" you'll certainly fall into sin as shown in FAITH IN CHRIST WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD.Further scriptures to support my arguement:-
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Matthew 5:16
In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your GOOD WORKS and give glory to your Father who is in heaven.
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Titus 3:8
The saying is trustworthy, and I want you to insist on these things, so that those who have believed in God may be careful to devote themselves to GOOD WORKS. These things are excellent and profitable for people.
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Titus 2:7
Show yourself in all respects to be a model of GOOD WORKS, and in your teaching show integrity, dignity,
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Hebrews 10:24
And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and GOOD WORKS,
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Titus 3:1
Remind them to be submissive to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every GOOD WORK,
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1 Timothy 6:18
They are to do good, to be rich in GOOD WORKS, to be generous and ready to share,
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1 Timothy 5:10
And having a reputation for GOOD WORKS: if she has brought up children, has shown hospitality, has washed the feet of the saints, has cared for the afflicted, and has devoted herself to every GOOD WORK.
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1 Timothy 2:10
But with what is proper for women who profess godliness—with GOOD WORKS.
(ESV version of bible.)

Bidam: God bless you sir! This is where the so called Grace teachers are missing the point! Grace always teaches us to say NO to ungodliness and worldly passions and to live self-controlled,upright and godly lives.( titus 2:11).

bizmahn:
Thank God & I also have always known you as a well meaning christian on the forum.Glad to know you are on the right side regarding this "perverted grace madness" on this forum & in churches these last days.

Bidam: Thanks bro..We are still in a race and we ought to pray for ourselves, brother and sisters.Heaven would be incomplete without us and them. Amen.

bizmahn: Titus 2:11,12 :- For the GRACE of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men teaching us that denying ungogliness and worldly lusts,WE SHOULD live soberly,RIGHTEOUSLY,and godly in this present world.
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End of discussion!!

bizmahn:

Hehehehehehe!! honourable adult in Christ, I expected you'd do more than that.You sure should know more than babes in Christ.
Anyway to make it simple, works there means works of righteousness which is not limited to "showing love to people & helping the poor".
.
We have our part to play as christians & God has His own part too.GRACE WHICH IS MISUNDERSTOOD BY NEW GENERATION CHURCHES IS NOT A CONCESSION OR AN ALLOWANCE GOD GIVES US TO GO AHEAD & SIN SINCE WE HAVE A SINFUL NATURE RATHER IT IS THE SUPERNATURAL POWER,ABILITY,STRENGHT,KNOWLEDGE ETC WHICH GOD GIVES US (THROUGH PRAYER,FASTING,FELLOWSHIP,OBEDIENCE ETC) WITH WHICH TO LIVE RIGHTEOUSLY AND LIVE ABOVE SIN.We are required in the new testament to make efforts through grace God bestows on us to live righteously.If you fail to make efforts & hang only on the fact that Christ has done it all for you & you must not "WORK" you'll certainly fall into sin as shown in FAITH IN CHRIST WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD.Further scriptures to support my arguement:-
.
Matthew 5:16
In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your GOOD WORKS and give glory to your Father who is in heaven.
.
Titus 3:8
The saying is trustworthy, and I want you to insist on these things, so that those who have believed in God may be careful to devote themselves to GOOD WORKS. These things are excellent and profitable for people.
.
Titus 2:7
Show yourself in all respects to be a model of GOOD WORKS, and in your teaching show integrity, dignity,
.
Hebrews 10:24
And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and GOOD WORKS,
.
Titus 3:1
Remind them to be submissive to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every GOOD WORK,
.
1 Timothy 6:18
They are to do good, to be rich in GOOD WORKS, to be generous and ready to share,
.
1 Timothy 5:10
And having a reputation for GOOD WORKS: if she has brought up children, has shown hospitality, has washed the feet of the saints, has cared for the afflicted, and has devoted herself to every GOOD WORK.
.
1 Timothy 2:10
But with what is proper for women who profess godliness—with GOOD WORKS.
(ESV version of bible.)

bizmahn:

Hehehehehehe!! honourable adult in Christ, I expected you'd do more than that.You sure should know more than babes in Christ.
Anyway to make it simple, works there means works of righteousness which is not limited to "showing love to people & helping the poor".
.
We have our part to play as christians & God has His own part too.GRACE WHICH IS MISUNDERSTOOD BY NEW GENERATION CHURCHES IS NOT A CONCESSION OR AN ALLOWANCE GOD GIVES US TO GO AHEAD & SIN SINCE WE HAVE A SINFUL NATURE RATHER IT IS THE SUPERNATURAL POWER,ABILITY,STRENGHT,KNOWLEDGE ETC WHICH GOD GIVES US (THROUGH PRAYER,FASTING,FELLOWSHIP,OBEDIENCE ETC) WITH WHICH TO LIVE RIGHTEOUSLY AND LIVE ABOVE SIN.We are required in the new testament to make efforts through grace God bestows on us to live righteously.If you fail to make efforts & hang only on the fact that Christ has done it all for you & you must not "WORK" you'll certainly fall into sin as shown in FAITH IN CHRIST WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD.Further scriptures to support my arguement:-
.
Matthew 5:16
In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your GOOD WORKS and give glory to your Father who is in heaven.
.
Titus 3:8
The saying is trustworthy, and I want you to insist on these things, so that those who have believed in God may be careful to devote themselves to GOOD WORKS. These things are excellent and profitable for people.
.
Titus 2:7
Show yourself in all respects to be a model of GOOD WORKS, and in your teaching show integrity, dignity,
.
Hebrews 10:24
And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and GOOD WORKS,
.
Titus 3:1
Remind them to be submissive to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every GOOD WORK,
.
1 Timothy 6:18
They are to do good, to be rich in GOOD WORKS, to be generous and ready to share,
.
1 Timothy 5:10
And having a reputation for GOOD WORKS: if she has brought up children, has shown hospitality, has washed the feet of the saints, has cared for the afflicted, and has devoted herself to every GOOD WORK.
.
1 Timothy 2:10
But with what is proper for women who profess godliness—with GOOD WORKS.
(ESV version of bible.)

Bidam: God bless you sir! This is where the so called Grace teachers are missing the point! Grace always teaches us to say NO to ungodliness and worldly passions and to live self-controlled,upright and godly lives.( titus 2:11).

fredx4:
You are right grace teaches you to say no to ungodliness and worldly passions but that doesn't put you under the law. Gal5:17 "but if ye are led of the Spirit ye are not under the law" Romans6:14 "For sin shall not have dominion over you; for ye are not under the law, but under grace" Romans4:4 "Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness

Bidam: When you see a scripture that says:Do we then nullify the Law through faith? May it never be! On the contrary, we establish the Law Romans 3:31. What Law do you honestly think Paul was advocating

For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

shdemidemi:

Paul was referring to the law of the Spirit of life and not the law that condemns, thus brings death through sin on the offender.

Rom 8v2