Meteorites are flaming darts thrown by angels at jinns to keep them out of heaven. True? They did not reach to heavens. That will be impossible. But they climb up to higher level, or station. The means that they use in addition to get closer was to mount on top or carry one another, in a link, whereby the rise up. That was before Qur'an was revealed. If you look into Surah Al Rahman, verse 33, you will see that they and men were only challenged to penetrate, if they can on there own, the zones heavens and the earth (between these two distinct places), the atmosphere, the space.

Allah says that they could not be able of their own, except if He permits it. This was long time before space explorations. Today we have space travels, shuttles and other unmanned crafts. But regardless how man can designs and devices, man will never be able to go beyond whare Allah permits.

Man will never be able to get to the first heaven, which is the closest to the earth!

These jinns overhead the message that Allah is one and had no wife or children. True?
This part of the question was treated, earlier. The point is that the evil one told his community, in order to lead them away from the truth the above. But the believing Jinn know better, as they became believers.




The Jinns stealing Information from the Sky before the the Messenger was sent and striking Them with flaming Fire     after His Coming


Allah informs about the Jinns when He sent His Messenger Muhammad and revealed the Qur'an to him. Among the ways He protected it (the Qur'an) was by filling sky with stern guards guarding it from all of its sides. The devils were then expelled from the places where they used to sit prior to that. This was so that they could not steal anything from the Qur'an and tell it to the soothsayers, thereby causing matters to be confused and mixed up. If this happened it would not be known who was being truthful. Allah did this out of His kindness to His creation, His mercy upon His servants and His protection of His Mighty Book (the Qur'an). This is why the Jinns said,


(And we have sought to reach the heaven; but found it filled with stern guards and flaming fires. And verily, we used to sit there in stations, to (steal) a hearing, but any who listens now will find a flaming fire watching him in ambush.) meaning, whoever would like to steal some information by listening, he will find a flaming fire waiting in ambush for him. It will not pass him or miss him, but it will wipe him out and destroy him completely.


(And we know not whether evil is intended for those on earth, or whether their Lord intends for them guidance.) meaning, `we do not know if this -- the matter which has occurred in the sky -- is intended for those who are in the earth or if their Lord intends some guidance for them.' They stated this in such a manner out of their etiquette in phrasing their speech, because they did not attribute the doing of evil to anyone and they attributed the good to Allah. Verily, it has been recorded in the Sahih,


(And evil is not attributed to You (Allah).) It used to be that shooting stars (meteors) occurred before this, however it did not happen much, rather only occasionally. As was reported in the Hadith of Ibn `Abbas when he said, "While we were sitting with the Messenger of Allah a shooting star flashed in the sky. So the Prophet said,


(What did you all used to say about this) We replied, "We used to say that a great person has been born and a great person has died.'' The Prophet said, (This is not so, rather whenever Allah decrees a matter in the heaven, )'' and then he went on to narrate the rest of the Hadith which we have already mentioned in its entirety in Surah Saba'. This is what caused them to seek the reason for this occurrence. So they set out searching in the east and the west. Then they found the Messenger of Allah reciting (the Qur'an) while leading his Companions in prayer. Thus, they knew that this Qur'an was the reason for the sky being guarded. Therefore, some among them believed in it and the others became more rebellious in their transgression. A discussion of this has preceded in a Hadith of Ibn `Abbas concerning Allah's statement in Surat Al-Ahqaf,


(And (remember) when We sent towards you (Muhammad) a group of the Jinn (quietly) listening to the Qur'an.) (46:29) There is no doubt that when so many shooting stars began appearing in the sky, it horrified humans and Jinns alike. They were very disturbed and alarmed by it. They thought that it was the destruction of the world. As-Suddi said, "The sky was never guarded except if there was a Prophet in the earth or the religion of Allah was victorious and dominant in the earth.'' So the devils before the time of Muhammad had taken sitting stations for themselves in the heaven of this world and they would listen to the matters that occurred in the heaven.



But when Allah sent Muhammad as a Prophet and Messenger, they were suddenly pelted one night (with the flaming, shooting stars). So the people of Ta'if were frightened because of this and they began to say, `The dwellers of the sky have been destroyed.' This was because they saw the severe fires in the sky and the shooting flames. They began freeing their servants and abandoning their luxuries. So `Abd Yalayl bin `Amr bin `Umayr said to them and he was referred to for judgement among them "Woe to you O people of Ta'if! Hold on to your wealth and look at these guiding stars in the sky.


If you see them remaining in their place, then the dwellers of the sky have not been destroyed, rather this has happened because of Ibn Abi Kabshah (-- meaning Muhammad ). And if you look and see that you can no longer see these stars, then verily the dwellers of the sky have been destroyed.'' So, they looked and saw that the stars still remained, and thus, they kept their wealth. The devils also were frightened during that night. They went to Iblis and informed him of what happened to them. So he (Iblis) said, "Bring me a handful of dirt from every land so that I may smell it.'' So they brought it and he smelled it and said, "It is your friend in Makkah.''


Then he sent a group of seven Jinns to Makkah, and they found the Prophet of Allah standing in prayer in Al-Masjid Al-Haram while reciting the Qur'an. They drew near to him eager to hear the Qur'an, until their chests almost pressed against him. Then they accepted Islam and Allah revealed their matter to His Messenger . We have mentioned this chapter in its entirety in the first section of the Kitab As-Sirah with lengthy discussion. Allah knows best and unto Him is all praise and blessings.



(11. `There are among us some that are righteous, and some the contrary; we are groups having different ways.') (12.`And we think that we cannot escape Allah in the earth, nor can we escape Him by flight.') (13. `And indeed when we heard the Guidance, we believed therein, and whosoever believes in his Lord shall have no fear, either of a decrease in the reward of his good deeds or an increase in the punishment for his sins.') (14. `And of us some are Muslims, and of us some are Al-Qasitun. And whosoever has embraced Islam, then such have sought the right path.' '') (15. And as for the Qasitun, they shall be firewood for Hell.) (16. If they had believed in Allah, and went on the way, We would surely have bestowed on them water in abundance.) (17. That We might try them thereby. And whosoever turns away from the Reminder of his Lord, He will cause him to enter in a Sa`ad torment.)

@Huxley: Your silly african mind. No, africans are more assured. You silly whitewashed British mind wants to be hanging out with Jinns?

You have one Jinn that knows you well. You are born with one. But your a playing a game of Chicken. You will get hurt and you will end up in Hellfire.

Try asking yourself, if you can stand the heat of a raging inferno? Can you throw yourself in one? Then imagine the fire specifically created to punish a disabedient person?

Stop acting silly. You are grown man.

olabowale:

Meteorites are flaming darts thrown by angels at jinns to keep them out of heaven. True? They did not reach to heavens. That will be impossible. But they climb up to higher level, or station. The means that they use in addition to get closer was to mount on top or carry one another, in a link, whereby the rise up. That was before Qur'an was revealed. If you look into Surah Al Rahman, verse 33, you will see that they and men were only challenged to penetrate, if they can on there own, the zones heavens and the earth (between these two distinct places), the atmosphere, the space.

Allah says that they could not be able of their own, except if He permits it. This was long time before space explorations. Today we have space travels, shuttles and other unmanned crafts. But regardless how man can designs and devices, man will never be able to go beyond whare Allah permits.

Man will never be able to get to the first heaven, which is the closest to the earth!

These jinns overhead the message that Allah is one and had no wife or children. True?
This part of the question was treated, earlier. The point is that the evil one told his community, in order to lead them away from the truth the above. But the believing Jinn know better, as they became believers.




The Jinns stealing Information from the Sky before the the Messenger was sent and striking Them with flaming Fire after His Coming


Allah informs about the Jinns when He sent His Messenger Muhammad and revealed the Qur'an to him. Among the ways He protected it (the Qur'an) was by filling sky with stern guards guarding it from all of its sides. The devils were then expelled from the places where they used to sit prior to that. This was so that they could not steal anything from the Qur'an and tell it to the soothsayers, thereby causing matters to be confused and mixed up. If this happened it would not be known who was being truthful. Allah did this out of His kindness to His creation, His mercy upon His servants and His protection of His Mighty Book (the Qur'an). This is why the Jinns said,


(And we have sought to reach the heaven; but found it filled with stern guards and flaming fires. And verily, we used to sit there in stations, to (steal) a hearing, but any who listens now will find a flaming fire watching him in ambush.) meaning, whoever would like to steal some information by listening, he will find a flaming fire waiting in ambush for him. It will not pass him or miss him, but it will wipe him out and destroy him completely.


(And we know not whether evil is intended for those on earth, or whether their Lord intends for them guidance.) meaning, `we do not know if this -- the matter which has occurred in the sky -- is intended for those who are in the earth or if their Lord intends some guidance for them.' They stated this in such a manner out of their etiquette in phrasing their speech, because they did not attribute the doing of evil to anyone and they attributed the good to Allah. Verily, it has been recorded in the Sahih,


(And evil is not attributed to You (Allah).) It used to be that shooting stars (meteors) occurred before this, however it did not happen much, rather only occasionally. As was reported in the Hadith of Ibn `Abbas when he said, "While we were sitting with the Messenger of Allah a shooting star flashed in the sky. So the Prophet said,


(What did you all used to say about this) We replied, "We used to say that a great person has been born and a great person has died.'' The Prophet said, (This is not so, rather whenever Allah decrees a matter in the heaven, )'' and then he went on to narrate the rest of the Hadith which we have already mentioned in its entirety in Surah Saba'. This is what caused them to seek the reason for this occurrence. So they set out searching in the east and the west. Then they found the Messenger of Allah reciting (the Qur'an) while leading his Companions in prayer. Thus, they knew that this Qur'an was the reason for the sky being guarded. Therefore, some among them believed in it and the others became more rebellious in their transgression. A discussion of this has preceded in a Hadith of Ibn `Abbas concerning Allah's statement in Surat Al-Ahqaf,


(And (remember) when We sent towards you (Muhammad) a group of the Jinn (quietly) listening to the Qur'an.) (46:29) There is no doubt that when so many shooting stars began appearing in the sky, it horrified humans and Jinns alike. They were very disturbed and alarmed by it. They thought that it was the destruction of the world. As-Suddi said, "The sky was never guarded except if there was a Prophet in the earth or the religion of Allah was victorious and dominant in the earth.'' So the devils before the time of Muhammad had taken sitting stations for themselves in the heaven of this world and they would listen to the matters that occurred in the heaven.



But when Allah sent Muhammad as a Prophet and Messenger, they were suddenly pelted one night (with the flaming, shooting stars). So the people of Ta'if were frightened because of this and they began to say, `The dwellers of the sky have been destroyed.' This was because they saw the severe fires in the sky and the shooting flames. They began freeing their servants and abandoning their luxuries. So `Abd Yalayl bin `Amr bin `Umayr said to them and he was referred to for judgement among them "Woe to you O people of Ta'if! Hold on to your wealth and look at these guiding stars in the sky.


If you see them remaining in their place, then the dwellers of the sky have not been destroyed, rather this has happened because of Ibn Abi Kabshah (-- meaning Muhammad ). And if you look and see that you can no longer see these stars, then verily the dwellers of the sky have been destroyed.'' So, they looked and saw that the stars still remained, and thus, they kept their wealth. The devils also were frightened during that night. They went to Iblis and informed him of what happened to them. So he (Iblis) said, "Bring me a handful of dirt from every land so that I may smell it.'' So they brought it and he smelled it and said, "It is your friend in Makkah.''


Then he sent a group of seven Jinns to Makkah, and they found the Prophet of Allah standing in prayer in Al-Masjid Al-Haram while reciting the Qur'an. They drew near to him eager to hear the Qur'an, until their chests almost pressed against him. Then they accepted Islam and Allah revealed their matter to His Messenger . We have mentioned this chapter in its entirety in the first section of the Kitab As-Sirah with lengthy discussion. Allah knows best and unto Him is all praise and blessings.



(11. `There are among us some that are righteous, and some the contrary; we are groups having different ways.') (12.`And we think that we cannot escape Allah in the earth, nor can we escape Him by flight.') (13. `And indeed when we heard the Guidance, we believed therein, and whosoever believes in his Lord shall have no fear, either of a decrease in the reward of his good deeds or an increase in the punishment for his sins.') (14. `And of us some are Muslims, and of us some are Al-Qasitun. And whosoever has embraced Islam, then such have sought the right path.' '') (15. And as for the Qasitun, they shall be firewood for Hell.) (16. If they had believed in Allah, and went on the way, We would surely have bestowed on them water in abundance.) (17. That We might try them thereby. And whosoever turns away from the Reminder of his Lord, He will cause him to enter in a Sa`ad torment.)

I think you like to hear yourself speak jsut to convince yourself of most of your delusions.

I always wondered how Haldol chases away these Jinn in Mental patients when they say God is talking to them and they are on some sort of mission?

I am guessing the Jinn control the seratonin and dopamine producing parts of the brain.

olabowale:

@Huxley: Your silly african mind. No, africans are more assured. You silly whitewashed British mind wants to be hanging out with Jinns?

You have one Jinn that knows you well. You are born with one. But your a playing a game of Chicken. You will get hurt and you will end up in Hellfire.

Try asking yourself, if you can stand the heat of a raging inferno? Can you throw yourself in one? Then imagine the fire specifically created to punish a disabedient person?

Stop acting silly. You are grown man.

I simply asked how to know if jinns are real. Are they the same as 'alujonnu' ? What are your grounds for say that such a being exists?

@Morpheus24

I think you like to hear yourself speak jsut to convince yourself of most of your delusions.

What kind of delusion? Did you read my first post because I saw you asking what I have explained here again.

I always wondered how Haldol chases away these Jinn in Mental patients when they say God is talking to them and they are on some sort of mission?

It seems you never read my post and response towards you.

I am guessing the Jinn control the seratonin and dopamine producing parts of the brain.

Do they control your own part of the brain?

I read where you emboldened Olabowale's quotes below:

This part of the question was treated, earlier. The point is that the evil one told his community, in order to lead them away from the truth the above. But the believing Jinn know better, as they became believers.

The Jinns stealing Information from the Sky before the the Messenger was sent and striking Them with flaming Fire     after His Coming

What don't you understand here please? I would volunteeer to re-explain to you the area you are not clear with despite the fact that I did that in my earlier posts.

You may still read more here
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-183341.0.html

@Huxley

I simply asked how to know if jinns are real.  Are they the same as 'alujonnu' ?  What are your grounds for say that such a being exists?

My good brother, Ife-eco-06 replied you here:

Alujonnu is just the Yoruba translation of the Qur'anic Jinn. They are one and same thing created by Allah. But due to unguided interpretation, the Yoruba description is slightly different from the Qur'anic description. The Yoruba just recognise that there are some invisible devilish forces called alujonnu, but the full description of their world is in the Qur'an and Hadeeth.
It's just like creation of  human being. The Yoruba explanation of creation is different from Islamic explanation, but both agree that God created humans.

You may read more here and when you do not understand, then you let me know which you do not understand.
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-183341.0.html

Here are some od the deeds and misdeeds of jinns:

The Jinn and birds fought in Solomon's army. 27:17

Allah gave Solomon some of the jinn to work for him. 34:12

Those who worshipped the jinn will taste the doom of the Fire. 34:41

Allah created the jinn out of smokeless fire. 55:15

Allah will fill hell with humans and jinn. 11:119

Allah created the jinn from fire. 15:27

Allah created the jinn but he is not in partnership with them. 6:100

Allah appointed jinns to be the adversaries of prophets. 6:112

Jinns have led many humans astray. 6:128

The jinn were disbelievers. 6:130

@Huxley

Is it that you needs explanation to what you posted?

babs787:

@Huxley

Is it that you needs explanation to what you posted?

That would not come amiss. Such explanations as can be independently and objectively verified.

@Huxley: « #35 on: Yesterday at 07:07:15 PM »

I simply asked how to know if jinns are real. Are they the same as 'alujonnu' ? What are your grounds for say that such a being exists?

Can you give us the word for Jinn in French, and then in authentic African languages spoken in Cameroon? I do mean authentic, please.

Have you seen everything that is in existence? For example have you seen the air, or wind, except its effect? The same apply to all unseen things. Jinn is an unseen. We already know that you speak a bit of Yoruba. Now tell us the word for "alujoonu," in Igbo and others?

Jinn does exist, in the same vein that I believe that Heaven does exist. When I say heaven, I am not talking about Paradise. I simply mean the layers that is above the earth. You and I or any person, alive today have not seen the first heaven which is the closest to us, among the seven that are layered one on to of each other, enveloping what is under itself.

Jesus was lifted and so was the journey of Muhammad, to and fro in a part of one night. And before both, Adam and his mate, Hawa decended from the Paradise which is above all heavens to earth.

If the heavens exist, and regardless of how far human and his devices go into space, they have not seen it, because they have never and can never travel far enough to get to it, then know that Jinn also do exist.

A friend, who is now a muslim, told us a story of an incident when he was a member of the Lodge, in New York City. He said a member died and they were performing his funeral ceremony at the lodge house. Of course, there came a time that the lodge ritual had to be performed. He said they opened the dead man's mouth and began to cut his tongue.

He said right there, everybody, including his family who were in the hall, heard a yell, in the dead man's voice. But this friend said that he knew it was not the man who yelled. But his "ghost/spirit" or Jinn. This incidence was a sngular reason that made this friend, from the Caribbean be so determined to get out of the mess they call Lodge!

I think you should know that all that you listed about, as if to ask real question is answered, even only you reflect about them. For instance, you stated about the creation of Jinn from Fire and then by Smokeless flame. Is fire different from flame? Is it not the sighting of flame that will allow us that there is fire? Hae you ever seen a fire without a flame? Have you ever seen a real flame with all the 100% effect of flame, except that there is fire going on?

What is interesting about the power of Allah, in His creation of the Jinn is that they are created from "Smokeless" Flame/Fire! It shows that they are not in the same as you and I from the wet mud that Adam was created from. They are also different from the "light," which the Angels are created from. Considering that all flame/fire gives out some amount of heat and light. While light simply gives out light, briliance, and brightness!

What are your grounds for say that such a being exists?

Olabowale has brought for you rational/logical proofs, in addition to the Qur'anic proofs, which you may not believe in.

In today's world I don't expect any reasonable person to still hold the belief that only things that can be seen exists. It has been proved beyond reasonable doubts that some things exist that are not seen. There are many things that are believed to exist in science just because the effect can be felt, but they cannot be seen.

Take electric current for example. Can you see electric current physically? Do you believe it exists? We know there is electric current through its effects, not by sight.
Think about Jinn in this simple respect.

ife-eco-06:

Olabowale has brought for you rational/logical proofs, in addition to the Qur'anic proofs, which you may not believe in.

In today's world I don't expect any reasonable person to still hold the belief that only things that can be seen exists. It has been proved beyond reasonable doubts that some things exist that are not seen. There are many things that are believed to exist in science just because the effect can be felt, but they cannot be seen.

Take electric current for example. Can you see electric current physically? Do you believe it exists? We know there is electric current through its effects, not by sight.
Think about Jinn in this simple respect.

olabowale:

@Huxley: « #35 on: Yesterday at 07:07:15 PM »
Can you give us the word for Jinn in French, and then in authentic African languages spoken in Cameroon? I do mean authentic, please.

Have you seen everything that is in existence? For example have you seen the air, or wind, except its effect? The same apply to all unseen things. Jinn is an unseen. We already know that you speak a bit of Yoruba. Now tell us the word for "alujoonu," in Igbo and others?

Jinn does exist, in the same vein that I believe that Heaven does exist. When I say heaven, I am not talking about Paradise. I simply mean the layers that is above the earth. You and I or any person, alive today have not seen the first heaven which is the closest to us, among the seven that are layered one on to of each other, enveloping what is under itself.

Jesus was lifted and so was the journey of Muhammad, to and fro in a part of one night. And before both, Adam and his mate, Hawa decended from the Paradise which is above all heavens to earth.

If the heavens exist, and regardless of how far human and his devices go into space, they have not seen it, because they have never and can never travel far enough to get to it, then know that Jinn also do exist.

A friend, who is now a muslim, told us a story of an incident when he was a member of the Lodge, in New York City. He said a member died and they were performing his funeral ceremony at the lodge house. Of course, there came a time that the lodge ritual had to be performed. He said they opened the dead man's mouth and began to cut his tongue.

He said right there, everybody, including his family who were in the hall, heard a yell, in the dead man's voice. But this friend said that he knew it was not the man who yelled. But his "ghost/spirit" or Jinn. This incidence was a sngular reason that made this friend, from the Caribbean be so determined to get out of the mess they call Lodge!

I think you should know that all that you listed about, as if to ask real question is answered, even only you reflect about them. For instance, you stated about the creation of Jinn from Fire and then by Smokeless flame. Is fire different from flame? Is it not the sighting of flame that will allow us that there is fire? Hae you ever seen a fire without a flame? Have you ever seen a real flame with all the 100% effect of flame, except that there is fire going on?

What is interesting about the power of Allah, in His creation of the Jinn is that they are created from "Smokeless" Flame/Fire! It shows that they are not in the same as you and I from the wet mud that Adam was created from. They are also different from the "light," which the Angels are created from. Considering that all flame/fire gives out some amount of heat and light. While light simply gives out light, briliance, and brightness!

What you guys have failed to do is to tell me exactly what a jinn is.

Is is a good/bad spirit created by god?
Is it material or immaterial?
Do it reside with humans or not?
Are there as many jinns as there are people?
What happens to a jinn when a person dies?
etc, etc.

You resorted to making childish analogies about the wind, electricity, etc. Frankly, you should hold your heads in shame if this is the level at which you think.

Whereever did I say we should only accept thing we are able to see with the eyes (not metaphorically see)? When I say real, I mean things that can be perceived. As far as we know, humans can perceive with the five natural senses, namely, sight, smell, hearing, taste and touch.

Other animals have greater and acute senses of perception that humans. For instance, humans are only able to see within a very narrow range of light waves, but bees can see wavelenghts that we cannot see, dogs hear and smell sense where we fall short, etc. Some animals are sensitive to electromagnetic waves, while humans are dumb to these.

Incidentally, given our limitation, we have developed technologies to aid us where our senses are inadequate. Thus we have detectors for x-rays, soundwave, etc.

Now, can we perceive a jinn with any of our five senses and/or with our technological devices? To what extent is a jinn similar to Sussicorn?

What you guys have failed to do is to tell me exactly what a jinn is.

Is is a good/bad spirit created by god?
Is it material or immaterial?
Do it reside with humans or not?
Are there as many jinns as there are people?
What happens to a jinn when a person dies?
etc, etc.

Did you read the earlier posted Questions and Answers at all?
All your questions have been answered.

ife-eco-06:

Did you read the earlier posted Questions and Answers at all?
All your questions have been answered.

Those "answers" were far too waffley and verborse. Can you give a brief answer to each pls, not forgetting;

Now, can we perceive a jinn with any of our five senses and/or with our technological devices? To what extent is a jinn similar to Sussicorn?

@Huxley: #43 on: Today at 02:51:21 PM »

What you guys have failed to do is to tell me exactly what a jinn is.

Is is a good/bad spirit created by god?

good and bad. Exactly like what you have in human.

Is it material or immaterial?

It could be immaterial, as when it is not seen. Then material when it is seen as in the case of UFO phenomena

Do it reside with humans or not?

they are created along with every human, except 3. One is Mary. The other is Jesus her son. And the last I think is a child whom I think the prophet of Islam, Muhammad (AS) prayed for the child mother on this very subject.

Are there as many jinns as there are people?

In a nutshell, yes. Definitely not less.

What happens to a jinn when a person dies?
etc, etc.

The Jinn of the dead person does not die. At least not yet. Hence the message of my story above. It is als these Jinns that the psychic people, etc work with. Read a Book titled, the world of Angels and Jinns.

You resorted to making childish analogies about the wind, electricity, etc. Frankly, you should hold your heads in shame if this is the level at which you think.

Its you who should be ashamed. Afterall, unless you want to say that the whole of Yoruba people, who call Jinn alujonnu don't anything. Am certain that in your native tongue there is a word similar in meaning!

Whereever did I say we should only accept thing we are able to see with the eyes (not metaphorically see)? When I say real, I mean things that can be perceived. As far as we know, humans can perceive with the five natural senses, namely, sight, smell, hearing, taste and touch.

What about intuition? What peopl call sixth sense? Your knowledge leaves something to be desired. lol.
Have you ever felt something that arose your inner spirit before? Have you felt anything that made your
hairs stand on ends? Am sorry I forgot that I am talking to the emotionalless Huxley! My apology, man.

Other animals have greater and acute senses of perception that humans. For instance, humans are only able to see within a very narrow range of light waves, but bees can see wavelenghts that we cannot see, dogs hear and smell sense where we fall short, etc. Some animals are sensitive to electromagnetic waves, while humans are dumb to these.

Incidentally, given our limitation, we have developed technologies to aid us where our senses are inadequate. Thus we have detectors for x-rays, soundwave, etc.

Yet in all our science, there will be many things that we will never be able to discover, reach, etc. Even in the very last day before the human race comes to an end.


[quote
Now, can we perceive a jinn with any of our five senses and/or with our technological devices? To what extent is a jinn similar to Sussicorn?
[quote][/quote]

Please read your own writing, above about animals. The animals can with relative easy, while humans can't with the same ease.

@Huxley: « #45 on: Today at 03:28:02 PM »

Those "answers" were far too waffley and verborse. Can you give a brief answer to each please, not forgetting;

Now, can we perceive a jinn with any of our five senses and/or with our technological devices? To what extent is a jinn similar to Sussicorn?

You may not be able to perceive a jinn with any of the five senses or the most advanced technoligal devices. Unless God wants to text you as He only can permit. Maybe sussicorn is a jinn. Since the Jinns can adapt and take so many and alsmost all forms, except a few.

@Huxley: Short and concise answers coming up. I think thats what you deserve.

@Huxley

Answers have been provided to your questions

Is is a good/bad spirit created by god?

They are not created by god but God. We have good and bad ones among them just like we have god and bad human beings. We have believers and non believers among them.

Is it material or immaterial?

It could be immaterial when not seen and felt but could be material when it is being felt e.g It creates disturbance

Do it reside with humans or not?

Yes it does. Believers and non believers reside with human being.

Are there as many jinns as there are people?

Yes they are creation like human being. God created them as He created man. God said that He didnt create man and Jinn except to worship Him.

What happens to a jinn when a person dies?

Nothing happens. They continue with their life. They live longer than human being

etc, etc.

Expecting,

verse 100 of Sura Al- An’am .  So why Allah created Jinn (especially the bad ones)  Knowing that the bad ones can whisper evil things in your ears and cause you to do haram things.  Why create something knowing that it is bad. why??

Cayon has asked a good question.

Does anyone know why?

@Cayon: « #50 on: Today at 04:36:07 AM »

verse 100 of Sura Al- An’am . So why Allah created Jinn (especially the bad ones) Knowing that the bad ones can whisper evil things in your ears and cause you to do haram things. Why create something knowing that it is bad. why??

Allah said that Jinns and mankind He gave free will. He also gave the laws and process of knowing good and also wrong. It is in the free will of Jinns and men that you find Jinns who are good; muslims among their nations as it is clearly expressed in Surah Jinn. The Jinns who saw Prophet Muhammad and went to their nations to tell them that a New Prophet had appeared, in the same law informing like Moses!

The disbelieving among the Jinns include their chief; Shaitan, who agitates his followers among them into diobedience with his lies. They in turn because they are his associates, comrades in lies and creating ways of disobedience of man to the rules of Allah. Jus like among mankind, you find those who will encourage others to disobey Allah.


In this wise, you have evil doers and instigators to doing evils among Jinns and mankind, too. This is why the verse in the Bible, where Jesus (AS) was reported to have said that no one among his followers after him should try to abrogate or postulate the abrogations of any of the laws of the Old Prophets, is agreeable with the Muslims.

If Jesus did not abrogate it himslef, if was not proper for any of his so called followers to do contrarily to what he did. For example he did "good work" which were not selfish work, but selfless work on Sabbath. This is in the same mood that you have muslims, not stopping doing productive work on Fridays.

The Jinns like humans do have freewill and they have the choice of doing good (obedience) and the choice of doing evil (disobedience), just like man.

Nimshi:

Cayon has asked a good question.

Does anyone know why?

Nimshi, sincerely i doubt if you are a muslim. Whats wrung in you answering it. Aren't you supposed to be a muslim too?

I tire for the guy o.

javalove:

Nimshi, sincerely i doubt if you are a muslim. Whats wrung in you answering it. Aren't you supposed to be a muslim too?

nimshi, Muslim? Abeg, talk of something else.

Dont mind him. He is not a Muslim but here as mischief maker and confusionist but would never suceed.

The only and time tested way to drive jinns (demons) away is to call and shout the name of Jesus in your heart with the belief that he will hear you. i rest my case.

@chuxy12

The only and time tested way to drive jinns (demons) away is to call and shout the name of Jesus in your heart with the belief that he will hear you. i rest my case.

Can a demon cast out demon?

Are you awared that christianity is another plot devised by Jinn to mislead people?
Are you aware that the so called pictures of Jesus portray here and there were brought up by Jinn?
Are you aware that Mary, Jesus mother was alive and rejected the so called picture of Jesus being portrayed as Jesus?
Are you aware that most of the speaking in tongues are false and happened to be language of the Jinn? e.g calling Jinn for assistance?

babs787:

@chuxy12

Can a demon cast out demon?

Are you awared that christianity is another plot devised by Jinn to mislead people?
Are you aware that the so called pictures of Jesus portray here and there were brought up by Jinn?
Are you aware that Mary, Jesus mother was alive and rejected the so called picture of Jesus being portrayed as Jesus?
Are you aware that most of the speaking in tongues are false and happened to be language of the Jinn? e.g calling Jinn for assistance?

Do you know what a jinn is or you're just reciting the mantra your imaam told you?

You may read about Jinn in some threads and if not satisfied,you may create for you and I because your bible did not educate you on that

babs787:

You may read about Jinn in some threads and if not satisfied,you may create for you and I because your bible did not educate you on that

The bible NEVER mentioned a jinn. a jinn is a figment of allah's imagination.

On a lighter note, this is the most ridiculous thread in the islamic section. You have FAILED to establish how the appearance of Jesus is jinn-like.

@Noetic2

The bible NEVER mentioned a jinn. a jinn is a figment of allah's imagination.

On a lighter note, this is the most ridiculous thread in the islamic section. You have FAILED to establish how the appearance of Jesus is jinn-like.

Your book didnt mention that and even silent on that because thats not the revelation given to Jesus and Jesus said he would not be able to teach you all things but the comforter would come to do all these and the comforter is Muhammed (saw) which you are denying blindly and that is the more reason Allah explains some things in the Quran which are not in the bible just like the case of the Jinn.

babs787:

@Noetic2
Your book didnt mention that and even silent on that because thats not the revelation given to Jesus

Jinn is a figment of allah's imagination. Jehovah God has/had no business with allah's jinns.
what I am interested in is the topic of discussion. How does a jinn represent Jesus? why not just establish that fact.

and Jesus said he would not be able to teach you all things but the comforter would come to do all these and the comforter is Muhammed (saw) which you are denying blindly and that is the more reason Allah explains some things in the Quran which are not in the bible just like the case of the Jinn.

comforter means Holy Spirit. Are u saying that mohammed is the Holy Spirit?