Empiree:
This is Northern problem. I have said earlier that what they need to improved is their social order like the West. But there is no difference wether teen is married(northern nigeria) or premarital sex (west). The only difference is social order. Islam has nothing to do with "forced marriage". This was simply invented by nincompoops out of greed. However islam encourages early marriage, which i believe is better, far better than so called "sex education" which breeds nothing but deceit and hypocrisy. Whether they use condom or not makes no difference.

Similar cases of forced marriages in the us.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/uncovering-problem-forced-marriage-u-s/

I am sure forced marriages exist every part of the world. Media chose to focus on muslim and poor regions in this case.

Lol...i am surprised you dont know this. If they could legalize gayism, expect more and worst. You carefully chose your word "legally" . It is the same with gay marriage. Can it happen "legally" in Nigeria?. In the US, once you reach marriageable age, or you are matured in your own way to have sex, there is no limit. Laws vary by states. Soem need parental consent and it is none of anyone's business.

They are simply hypocritical about marriageable age at 18. In America for in stance, sex has no age at all. They usually sweep crazy news like this under the carpet. Here is underage marriage "legally" in the USA. 65 yrs old marries 12yrs old girl

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/uncovering-problem-forced-marriage-u-s/

It appears that not much of this openly happen but slowly but surely it will just like homosexual was considered abhorrent before 1960s. It is now normal to be gay.

You see, you giving excuses for those teens in the Western world. whether lack of education or not, it is about sexual revolution that started in the 60s in the US. How many of them regret having baby as teenager today?. Very few. Do you know that govt specifically encourage them to get pregnant?. They know if they have baby they are getting money. Confirm this with anyone living in US. They get tax money anywhere from 2000 dollars to 6000 dollars. Tell me how they regret?. The only thing they might regret is with whom they have baby with. Not pregnancy or baby itself. Thats long gone. So tax money encourage them to do this. If you as single adult with no child, and work hard all through the yr, compared to a teen who enjoys herself, hangs out with boys and eventually gets pregnant, doesnt work, she gets more money than you at the time of filing taxes. Tell why you not gonna get a lady pregnant outside of marriage seeing this temptation?. Sad news is they dont utilize the money wisely.

Again, this is part of social welfare i dont like. I dont agree with them also. They need to improve on this. But my point is there is no difference whether northen teen married to older man, her age group or simply get pregnant of out wedlock. If there was proper rights (women's rights, no forced marriage) etc, i swear you wont hear anything bad about north.

No, absolutely not. I have outlined that i would united her with her boyfriend since she's mst likely hang out with her mate. My point is instead of them sexing anyhow and she is eventually pregnant, i rather prevent that as early as possible by engaging the boy. If his parents aren't financially capable, i will take over until he gains strength

Thats african mentality. I support West approach but i wont allow them to stick to boyfriend-girlfriend situation for long. I am taking it to another level so long as they love each other. I dont have time for "i will wait til i finish school". That's boosh!t

Before she finishes school, market don finish Agbero don pafuka her yansh and marriage doesn't interest her no more. Thats exactly what's happening today. I want to avoid that by any means necessary.

Oh well, they no gonna directly encourage it now. Thats silly of them. But by saying "if you must have sex, use protection". My point is why not start teaching them importance of marriage instead even though they dont necessarily marry yet?. Bush administration tried on this really. He appeared to emphasized on abstinence

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/all-about-sex/201703/teen-pregnancies-fall-school-sex-ed-doesn-t-work-huh

Few yrs ago during Michael Bloomberg's administration, they distributed condoms to students to "prevent STDs. Doesnt this encourage them to have sex?. I am telling you, these girls worl around with condoms in their bags "should in case" and they are quiet young man

http://www.nytimes.com/1991/02/08/us/studies-on-teen-age-sex-cloud-condom-debate.html?pagewanted=all

Again the only thing Northern nigeria needs to work on is "standard social order" but this can only possible by stable govt. Otherwise, i see no change

See that. I was thgouht none yet i am not rascal or womanizer



Common now. Just like they detest "forced marriage". Africans and muslims also detest gay marriage. So i see double standard in all of these.

Empiree:
No, not that. And not like that. By age limit i am referring to simply not how the west regulates it. Again, my question stands, that, there is still no difference. There are bunch of teens in the West already pregnant. not necessary by older men but their age group. So i ask again, if "age limit" was meant to curb excesses, why is this not manifest their in society and why do they keep blaming 3rd world when they do the same thing?. Thats really my concern. I am not giving my 12 yr old daughter in marriage. However, maturity varies place to place especially in this day and age. If i notice my 12yr old is sexually act and she is on demand,. i can do whatever it takes to curb her first. In the case of out of control situation, I am definitely marrying her to her boy she hangs out with before agbero mess her up. Both of them would be under my roof (but i understand not everyone may have luxury to do this) and this will in no way disturb her career. I am pleased this way than she becoming wayward.

I am not interested in their "sex education" they encourage them to have sex but dont teach them importance of marriage. So again, whats the difference btw them boys and girls sexing each other like pigs and having babies and current northern Nigeria situation?. I see double standard how media portrays the whole thing. If underage sons and daughters of celebs do the same, no one says anything. If poor muslim people do the same, they are called backward. My only objection to the north is improvement in social order AS SEEN in the West.

vedaxcool:
Child marriage is legal in some circumstances in almost every state in the U.S. Though nearly every state has laws barring children under 18 from marrying, there are ways to get exemptions — for example, by asking for judicial consent or presenting parents' permission, according to the Pew Research Center.

In 27 states, the law does not specify any minimum age below which a child cannot marry, according to Unchained At Last.

Helping children in forced marriages is murky territory for activists and social workers. A child who leaves home under the age of 18 is considered a runaway, meaning that social service organizations and shelters could face legal action for helping them.

Generally, children cannot initiate legal action in their own name. In many states, that means a child is allowed to marry but not allowed to divorce.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/child-marriage-in-the-u-s-surprisingly-widespread/

tintingz:
Child marriage in U.S are done in religious, traditional communities mostly in southern part in U.S. The reason law didn't go against child marriage completely in those area is because of freedom of religion practice in the country.

Also the circumstances for child marriage in those area is when the girl is pregnant for a guy, the cleric will have to marry her to the guy following bible/Jewish scriptures(Deuteronomy 22:28-29).

And besides the age gab between a female marrying a male is not much like we have here in Nigeria.

In general, 18 is the marriageable age in U.S.

tintingz:
Child marriage in U.S are done in religious, traditional communities mostly in southern part in U.S. The reason law didn't go against child marriage completely in those area is because of freedom of religion practice in the country.

Also the circumstances for child marriage in those area is when the girl is pregnant for a guy, the cleric will have to marry her to the guy following bible/Jewish scriptures(Deuteronomy 22:28-29).

And besides the age gab between a female marrying a male is not much like we have here in Nigeria.

In general, 18 is the marriageable age in U.S.

vedaxcool:


Please could you stop lying aimlessly? Everybody can simply read the article why do propaganda for the US or retell article which clearly says child marriage is legal in the US as the parents simply gets a waiver from the court. It has little to do with religion.

Empiree:
See, you shot urself in the foot. At least you admitted for once there is child marriage in the US unlike your previous stance. So you see why you cant really condemn northern Nigeria and other places too?. Whether the gap is close or wide is irrelevant. What you should call for is proper or standard social order where everyone gets benefits whether you are poor or rich. Young or old. male or female. So blame politicians for failed governance. And also educate folks to desist from taking pre-election gifts from them. Pre-election gifts is exchange for their rights.

tintingz:
Where did I lied?

I will quote from the same link you provided.

Child marriage is legal in some circumstances in almost every state in the U.S. Though nearly every state has laws barring children under 18 from marrying, there are ways to get exemptions — for example, by asking for judicial consent or presenting parents' permission, according to the Pew Research Center.

vedaxcool:



If you can't fanthom what legal means then what story are you telling?

Akeemqudsi:


In the u.s. The child has to be legal age of consent which is usually 16 or sometimes 15 but without legal permission they have to be 18 or you could end up with stagetory rape charges and labeled a sexual offender. Actually, scholars have spoken about this and they say that "whoever does this in the U.S. and uses the the age of 'A'ishah is an Extremely Ignorant Person" the reason is because this not from the culture of the U.S. so it's completely haram because it more harm than anything else in it

vedaxcool:



If you can't fanthom what legal means then what story are you telling?

AbdelKabir:
^^ yet you believe the prophet "cursed" muawiyyah

Hypocrisy level 100%

AbdelKabir:
^^ yet you believe the prophet "cursed" muawiyyah

Hypocrisy level 100%

AlBaqir:
^^^

[s]Anyway, you have to seriously worry yourself about the textual evidences your past Ulama documented on the facts above rather than those who fashion out their believe based on those textual evidences.

You the responsibility of erasing those textual evidence from your books.[/s]

You like chest beating, why?!