armadeo:




before a prognosis can be considered a diagnosis MUST have been made so if a wrong diagnosis is made it follows that the prognosis following that would be wrong. however if a diagnosis is made then the prognosis is ALMOST a guarantee depending on what studies have shown.


e.g stroke patients have a 70% chance of survival (an example not actual figures) then the prognosis is that out of every 10 patients with stroke 7 would survive. so this is in play once a diagnosis of stroke is made, however if the patient doesn't have a stroke and is misdiagnosed and given same prognosis isn't it wrong from the onset. what is wrong here the prognosis or the diagnosis.

the above post is just for example

stop playing with words not all readers here are put off with links or long drawn explanations.








only after a diagnosis is made can a prognosis come into play therefore there is literally no such thing as a faulty prognosis because a prognosis cant be faulty it is iron clad with respect to the disease in question. however if a diagnosis is wrong the prognosis for that particular patient as informed by the dr is also wrong.

There is no such thing as faulty prognosis only faulty[/b] wrong diagnosis.


1)defines it as an opinion, based on medical experience of the likely development of a disease or illness;(2) the judgement about something is likely to develop in the future


i believe that i have explained however info me if more clarification is required. sorry about the exclamation.

centje: yes, doctors makes mistakes, sometimes. Like pharmacists, Doctors are also humans. Just like a pharmacist can make mistakes so can a doctor.

It is also true that doctors take most of the blame for most mistakes made in patient care so also does pharmacist take less of the blame. It just shows which shoulder carries most of the responsibilities of patient care. If Mr president can get rewards and honors due for him, for taking up the country's responsibilities why would a doctor be denied his. Why won't other healthcare workers keep to their various responsibilities and take the rewards and honors due for such responsibilities.
Well, all these are attempt by you to shift attention. The issue at hand is 'faulty prognosis' in relation to the context you used it.

So, I quoted you again so that we re-orient the discussion devoid of emotion and deviation of attention. To you, doctors jump to prescribe based on prognosis before diagnosis. Some people have tried explaining this thing to you, in dept, but the same 'ego' you tag doctors won't allow you to accept your mistake, to learn and move on.

Elythron16zero4: please read my post above and explain how it justifies your stance on this.

centje: Quit courting circles, my dear. Learn and move on, this time...forward and in straight line.

Elythron16zero4: YOU HAVE NOT ANSWERED ME. EXPLAIN THAT PROGNOSIS UP THERE DR CENTJE NOT COURTING CIRCLES.

babat89: You are d one acting out 'high shoulder and stiff necked syndrome'
Saying, "wow! Ok...I didn't know that, now I do," doesn't make you weak. It just shows you are actually stronger- characterwise.

babat89:

Diagnosis-which you meant to say- tells the CAUSE of a disease (bacterial, viral...) and what the disease is.

Prognosis, tells the COURSE of a disease- how it will progress/develop/evolve. Will he die? Will he get better? Any disabilities? Something like that

Elythron16zero4: please read my post above and explain how it justifies your stance on this. ANYWAY THANKS FOR ADMITTING THAT DOCTORS CAN BE WRONG, THAT IS THE CRUX OF MY ARGUMENT BUT YOUR PEOPLE ONLY PICKED ON THE USE OF THE WORD PROGNOSIS IN TRYING TO RUBBISH MY STANCE ON THE POINT RAISED DUE TO ""HIGH SHOULDER SYNDROME" EQUAL TO EGO . CASE CLOSED.

centje: The letters in capital wasn't part of your post when i quoted it. You edited it. And that's why i decided to post again.

The other posters who picked that part of post did so because the context in which you used the word prognosis was wrong. Why i won't take time to explain further, the meaning and use of prognosis and diagnosis, is because from all your posts so far you don't know these medical words and how they are used. At the same time, you have refused to learn. What makes your attitude on this thread different from the egotistical attitude you accuse doctors.

I will allow you to enjoy your 'ego' till you're ready to learn, then i will explain.

Elythron16zero4: i don't get you, pls show the post i edited which is different from the post you refer to in question. Are you trying to say i re-quoted you or i edited a post? which one sir?

Slimchy09:

Mister...In UNTH, the Chief Nursing Officer is a Medical Doctor and has always been so.... Go figure

Slimchy09:

Be my guest

Elythron16zero4: you are confusing me the more if you say there is no wrong prognosis, how come you said this however if a diagnosis is wrong the prognosis for that particular patient as informed by the dr is also wrong. Is it a contradiction? Now look at this Varicella(chickenpox): The prognosis for an individual with varicella is good. The diseasse runs its course in 2 to 3weeks. complications may include secondary bacteria infections of the skin as a result of scratching open lesions, thrombocytopenia,arthritis,hepatitis and Reye's syndrome. Going by the above analogy, a doctor who fails to associate these signs with this disease even after diagnosis and gives a completely different medication has formed a wrong opinion with the disease in question. although some of these signs may be common with other diseases but where it is obvious that it is for this disease and the doctor gives very wrong opinion and gives medications based on his wrong opinion, do you say that is a correct prognosis? since you are saying there is nothing like wrong/faulty prognosis, can we also deduce from your comment that there is nothing like a correct prognosis

Elythron16zero4: please read my post above and explain how it justifies your stance on this. ANYWAY THANKS FOR ADMITTING THAT DOCTORS CAN BE WRONG, THAT IS THE CRUX OF MY ARGUMENT BUT YOUR PEOPLE ONLY PICKED ON THE USE OF THE WORD PROGNOSIS IN TRYING TO RUBBISH MY STANCE ON THE POINT RAISED DUE TO ""HIGH SHOULDER SYNDROME" EQUAL TO EGO . CASE CLOSED.

milychocs:


My mother just told me to ask the "people of Nairaland" to give you a life ban from here!
But what you are saying is the biggest lie on this planet

You clearly are not a nurse
Then as for being a doctor, humans would live in Mercury first!

centje:

Below is a screenshot of your post which i quoted before you edited it and added the part in capital letters.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/1527213_img_20140705_124015_edit_jpeg9fdf29fdb1a74c36b9b32d73857abdab

armadeo:





the user name is slimchy09 for posterity sake, i have already advise the user to deactivate the account.

armadeo:




I see you like playing with words so here goes.



Now look at this [b]Varicella(chickenpox): The prognosis for an individual with varicella is good. The diseasse runs its course in 2 to 3weeks. complications may include secondary bacteria infections of the skin as a result of scratching open lesions, thrombocytopenia,arthritis,hepatitis and Reye's syndrome.



at this point we agree that the patient has chicken pox with a good prognosis despite possible complications.



a doctor who fails to associate these signs with this disease even after diagnosis

this is where you confuse me. a diagnosis has been made for chicken pox so all associated complications are considered. how will a dr make a diagnosis and not make consideration for possible complications beats me. A disease condition isnt just a single entity most times multiple symptoms make it up hence the need for history taking to rule out.

lets take the post further

a[b] doctor who fails to associate these signs with this disease even after diagnosis and gives a completely different medication has formed a wrong opinion with the disease in question.[/b]

this Dr who makes one diagnosis and treats something else

so again...

a doctor who fails to associate these signs with this disease may be common with other diseases but where it is obvious that it is for this disease and the doctor gives very wrong opinion and gives medications based on his wrong opinion


at this point bolded above this Dr failed to associate signs to a disease after diagnosis. my question at this point is what was the diagnosis?
here i believe lies the issue. is it a diagnosis of chicken pox if yes then the patient has a good prognosis, ( because good prognosis has been tied to chicken pox as you said yourself)

however if the patient chicken pox and is treated for something else (QUACKERY ??) and fails to get better does that mean the prognosis for chicken pox is wrong, NO!! because the chicken pox hasn't been managed as it should. where it properly managed the patient should have a good outcome (prognosis).

Lets take it a step further as you said there are other diseases that could have the complications listed. lets assume this patient also doesn't have chicken pox but lets say herpes simplex or drug eruptions and he is been managed for chicken pox and came out bad.

The prognosis for chicken pox is still good as outlined but in this patient the diagnosis was wrong therefore tying a good prognosis of chicken pox to him was also wrong ab initio. so the problem here isn't the wrong prognosis but the wrong diagnosis.

Comprende........

milychocs:


My mother just told me to ask the "people of Nairaland" to give you a life ban from here!
But what you are saying is the biggest lie on this planet

You clearly are not a nurse
Then as for being a doctor, humans would live in Mercury first!

Slimchy09:

Crazy guy

armadeo:










I always tell the truth even when i lie.

your account is still active i see.

milychocs:


My mother just told me to ask the "people of Nairaland" to give you a life ban from here!
But what you are saying is the biggest lie on this planet

You clearly are not a nurse
Then as for being a doctor, humans would live in Mercury first!

Slimchy09:

I apologise for my error...seems i was wrongly [b]mis[/b]informed.

Slimchy09:

I apologise for my error...seems i was wrongly misinformed.

Slimchy09:

like i said earlier...i was wrongly misinformed. U can take it or leave it.

Elythron16zero4: Needless dissipating your energies fruitlessly, there is no need beating about the bush. ab initio i do know the context of the word usage was not ideal but you know what,on like others who tried to correct me with insolence you were about the only person who spoke from knowledge sharing and very reasonable. Even with my insistence though i knew i was wrong but you have not descended to expletives and i quite appreciate that. Thank you. I actually chose to escalate this argument when i saw that those trying to correct me from inception were merely trying to make a caricature of themselves and not me. This is especially with the insistence that i should explain the meaning of faulty/wrong prognosis. If they have said did you mean diagnosis? i would have concurred but they are making it sound as if i don't know the meaning of the word i used not that they are seeing it as a mistake or misused of words. one of them said i have no medical inclination and that the word was grammatically wrong. That was why i became exasperated and neck bent to defend the word and now they are all tired and not responding again. That is what you get when you try to correct people by mockery. Prognosis for all diseases are already known before hand once the disorder is identified.That is why it is pro>before and gnosis>knowing i.e before a disorder comes we know what the prognosis of that disorder will be. without running a test if you ask a doctor/pharmacist/an allied health worker to tell you the prognosis of mumps for example, he/she with a good knowledge of the disease etiology will be able to tell you because he/she already knows it. I am sure some Pharmacist on this platform knows that the context of that word usage is truly wrong but kept mute because those spotting the error are trying to be egoistic about it. In my view prognosis are standards like formularies and pharmacopeias were you can look for drug info so before any diagnosis is carried out the prognosis is already in place. It is when the doctor identifies the disorder that he can now link the signs and symptoms with the prognosis and then recommend the appropriate drugs. Truly there are no wrong/faulty prognosis unless one is giving the prognosis of disease A for disease B then it becomes wrong which still support my argument which is a fallacy. In all i thank you for being reasonable and for not seeing me as one who didn't know but one who made a wrong use of the word .

yomi007k:





If na doctor mistakenly type that "wrongly misinformed", some ppl for don hang hin head for market square.










No further comment, your honour.

Samgreguc:
yea, they wanted studying med surg bt, cudnt belns of either jamb nonentical markings, post utme runs and even admission runs. Do u get it?
Moreover, all those knowledge u get from ur o'level which enables u into the systen ends in year 1 and a new thing is met in year 2. For Pharmacy, u are going into no year 2 without passing all the whole year1 course. So, dont that tell u somethg?
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A 400level pharm student is a badoo. . . Quote me anywhere, to get pass 300level makes u a genius(having pass 12 to 14 courses with huge handout whose pass marks are 50% and some 60%). . . .
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.entering is one thing, continuing is anoda.