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Re: Doctors’ Strike Cripples Hospitals Nationwide by vinnyvinny(m): 12:00pm On Jul 03, 2014
YourHealthlabs:
Even if you have know a few strip tests in the laboratory, you are NOT LEGALLY EMPOWERED to run laboratory procedures and append your signature like a Scientist. It is quackery. In fact many of the private laboratories we see churning out fake results and running sensitivity for C. ablicans are owned by doctors running quack labs without Scientists. That's why they fight and prevent the Medical lab council for doing their regulatory jobs. INFACT, ANY RESULT THAT COMES OUT OF A LABORATORY WITHOUT A SCIENTIST'S SIGNATURE IS FAKE IN THE EYES OF THE LAW.
There were reagents constituted to certain dilutions by the Scientists, you were not their during the constitution, you don't know the method he employed during dilutions, then you rush in and start working with the solution/reagents/biochemicals because you are doctor. Of course, the results will false. We have a saying in the lab-It's better you don't give a result at all than give a fake, unreliable one, infact delay the result if need be but make sure it is RELIABLE.
So if they came in to lock their labs, it's in the patient's interest as you will still turn around to blame the Scientist for every unreliable results, if the result leads to falter.
It's like a Surgical Nurse trying to perform surgery in Nigeria. He/she is not is empowered to do so even he/she may know the procedures and have worked with the best surgeons for years.
Let me think like you a bit-If you crave to channel your "intelligence" working in the laboratory. You know the legal thing to do. B.MLS is the way.
I enjoy working with my hands and brains in laboratory detective work, that's why i'm a Scientist in the Medical Microbiology lab.

Please can u educate me on the job description of a consultant lab scientist and the qualification required to be one. Thank you.
Re: Doctors’ Strike Cripples Hospitals Nationwide by Nobody: 12:04pm On Jul 03, 2014
vinnyvinny:

Please can u educate me on the job description of a consultant lab scientist and the qualification required to be one. Thank you.

This is an interview with a Consultant Biomedical Scientist in UK NHS. Pathologists also exist there.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKhskzCHY0I


It's just a few minutes video. You can afford it.
Re: Doctors’ Strike Cripples Hospitals Nationwide by vinnyvinny(m): 12:14pm On Jul 03, 2014
Pls can anybody on this forum educate me on the input of a consultant doctor in patient management and the qualifications required to become one. In the same vein I Wld like to know that of a consultant physiotherapist, consultant lab scientist, consultant optometrist,consultant nurse that is currently lacking hence the clamour to be consultants by JOHESU members. It would be enlightening if members of NMA and JOHESU members in these various fields can contribute instead of the mudsling I've been reading on this thread all day.
Re: Doctors’ Strike Cripples Hospitals Nationwide by Ochek: 12:58pm On Jul 03, 2014
On the JOHESU and NMA national
strikes
On wed July 1 all medical doctors
proceeded on an indefinite strike and
not too long ago medical lab scientists,
nurses, physiotherapists, radiographers,health information
officers, pharmacists etc had embarked
on a nation-wide strike. All well and
done. But come to think of it had it
been patients ill health wouldn't have
gone from bad to worse or even die these group of professionals in our
hospitals would not be so confident to
go on strike in order to get the
listening hear of the govt. Yes because if we go to the hospital
and there were no services ..we will go
back home and do other things just
like going to a football pitch and there
no players to play the ball with.... you
will definitely go back home and relax... NO SHAKING! But here we are....dependent on the
knowledge and skills of health
professionals to remain healthy which
is crucial to the very existence of the
human person on the earth
plain....Bravo guys! You have gotten us just where it can hurt most.... Of course
nobody can function in sickness... Yes o! We need them all health
professionals be it medical
doctors..nurses...physiotherap
ists...Medical Lab scientists....P
harmacists But looking at the way things are
going..... One is tempted to imagine
hospitals in Nigeria run without the
medical doctors or at the other end
hospitals ran by only medical doctors
without any other of the health professionals.. Are these scenarios
possible? Even in private health
practices ran by these professionals,
they don't work alone they employed
other health professionals So why does it look like our hospitals
will soon loss quality healthcare
because whereby this disharmony
continues whether we like it or not
after the NMA strike ends with their
demands met the other body JOHESU/ AHPA will surely embark on their own
strike and so it will continue....
Whether we like it or not we cannot
do without each of the health
professional skills and knowledge he
or she has acquired our years of specialised and structured training to
become a nurse..medical
doctor...medical lab scientist or a
pharmacist...Ignoring or giving an
unbalanced advantage of one over the
other will definitely continue to create disharmony among them Permit me to say....is it not possible for
the health professional bodies to meet
amongst themselves.... iron out issues
and present a common front to govt...I
feel this approach would have
attracted more sympathy to the health sector if at all the incessant strike is for
the interest of the general health
welfare of Nigerians The drum of war is becoming very
loud in our hospitals..Very soon
patients who ordinarily would have
just needed a first aid by a nurse to
checkmate his or her condition will be
left to wait to see a doctor who may be too busy then or a doctor who
comes to a ward and can't find a
patient case note will not bother to
look for it because the nurse was too
busy or a pharmacist who has observe
a patient with hyperpyrexia will not give the patient paracetamol except
he sees a doctor.... all in our hospital..
We can't with this strikes way to
win...I don't see a winner but for the
Nigerian patient who remain the loser
and after our NMA...JOHESU/AHPA strikes has gotten us the extra
allowances and big salaries ...We as
health processionals should at least be
humane enough to kneel down and
pray for the people that had died and
spill their blood all over the hospitals in the 36 States so that we can take
home the these largesse... May their
soul continue to rest in Lord ...Amen
Re: Doctors’ Strike Cripples Hospitals Nationwide by vinnyvinny(m): 1:08pm On Jul 03, 2014
YourHealthlabs:

This is an interview with a Consultant Biomedical Scientist in UK NHS. Pathologists also exist there.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKhskzCHY0I


It's just a few minutes video. You can afford it.

Thank you for that enlightening video. So what is the minimum professional qualification required for one to be a lab consultant. I also couldn't help but notice that the speaker is a consultant biomedical scientist to centre for hemostasis and thrombosis, Guys and St Thomas NHS foundation trust, London. This I assume is a special facility for research and not a conventional hospital laboratory as is obtainable in Nigeria.

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Re: Doctors’ Strike Cripples Hospitals Nationwide by Nobody: 1:30pm On Jul 03, 2014
vinnyvinny:

Thank you for that enlightening video. So what is the minimum professional qualification required for one to be a lab consultant. I also couldn't help but notice that the speaker is a consultant biomedical scientist to centre for hemostasis and thrombosis, Guys and St Thomas NHS foundation trust, London. This I assume is a special facility for research and not a conventional hospital laboratory as is obtainable in Nigeria.



If you followed my posts throughout you will understand that i've thrashed this question severally, i'm busy on other threads. The guy you watched is Gary Moore FIBMS(UK)...a fellow in the Institute of Biomedical Science.
We already have our own in tetiary and teaching hospitals. Google up names like Dr Jeremiah Awortu FIMLS, FRCPATH. he is a Scientist and acquired same on merit. Prof Emeribe a Scientist is a Consultant in Laboratory Hematology, they are numerous.

Just like the West African College of Pathologists we also have West African College of Medical laboratory Scientists (WAPCMLS) and West african college of Pharmacy WACP. They were not established to "compete with physician's salary" but to develop their specialty.

If you spend you time learning about professional advancements in other fields, you won't call them "mere artisans" as some of physicians do.

Thank you
Re: Doctors’ Strike Cripples Hospitals Nationwide by Tobbie9(m): 1:52pm On Jul 03, 2014
As long as the salary ratio is maintained i couldn't care less who becomes a consultant
Re: Doctors’ Strike Cripples Hospitals Nationwide by Nobody: 2:10pm On Jul 03, 2014
Tobbie9: As long as the salary ratio is maintained i couldn't care less who becomes a consultant
Salary ratios should not be set arbitrarily.Salary ratio is a matter of demand and supply. In short an economic issue not an egotistic one. Who set the salary ratio of Footballers to volleyballers or footballers to doctors.
No one agitates to say that cleaners should not get the highest pay.If the MARKET decides cleaners deserve the highest pay everyone will become a cleaner and the market will change its mind.If the market decides that nurses deserve the highest pay very good this just makes life easy.No need to go to medical school anymore Shikena!!

What determines the pay of any worker is not how clever he is or how long he spent in school but how much the MARKET IS WILLING TO PAY. This would work not just in an INTER disciplinary way but also an INTRA disciplinary way. So e.g the question would arise should Surgeons earn the same with paediatricians and psychiatrists etc.
Overcentralization of wages means some doctors "CARRY" other doctors who might not be as productive. This might not be obvious when we look at SALARIES but when you look at LOCUM pay you will discover that MARKET FORCES determine who gets what.
In summary employers pay you for what you do not what you know. If I am running a hospital business I know I will get more money for Hip replacements,IVF, etc than for treating hypertension or diabetes and the pay reflects that. In the oil industry some deep water welders earn more than Engineers. This is all down to demand and supply and not how long you spent in school. I have seen situations where Psychiatrists earn up to 50% more than physicians who work"harder" in terms of exertion simply because of shortages.I have seen also Specialist nurses earn more than physicians for similar reasons. The way the market works if such a situation is sustained it would attract new entrants and a new equilibrium is found. No one can force a price of garri on the market unless there is a distortion.The market will equilibrate and this applies to salaries too. If a particular job is attracting distorted high salaries it will attract a lot of entrants until there is oversupply and not even medicine is immune from this principle. A similar example would apply to location : Many doctor prefer to work in the cities or south and so employers would need to pay a premium to attract quality doctors to rural areas like Chibok or Damaturu.
Re: Doctors’ Strike Cripples Hospitals Nationwide by manny4life(m): 2:41pm On Jul 03, 2014
All these headache and bickering over what? In the U.S., most states approve of hospitals using Nursing Practitioners as ER Replacements. How do I know? The good ole Inova hospital chain uses them. Few times I went to the emergency room, well, NP's are the ones on duty. I just think medicine should be regulated via state statutory laws, and the FG should hands off from this madness. Let states make the decision. The field of medicine is an important one, doctors in Nigeria should learn to respect other fields of medicine. A doctor should NEVER compare himself to a degree-ed lab scientist, and vice versa. Everyone should work together, and doctors lead the team in their own field but NOT in the entire hospital. The General Management of successful hospitals in the U.S. aren't led by doctors, from Kaiser owned units to several other chains.
Re: Doctors’ Strike Cripples Hospitals Nationwide by vinnyvinny(m): 3:16pm On Jul 03, 2014
YourHealthlabs:



If you followed my posts throughout you will understand that i've thrashed this question severally, i'm busy on other threads. The guy you watched is Gary Moore FIBMS(UK)...a fellow in the Institute of Biomedical Science.
We already have our own in tetiary and teaching hospitals. Google up names like Dr Jeremiah Awortu FIMLS, FRCPATH. he is a Scientist and acquired same on merit. Prof Emeribe a Scientist is a Consultant in Laboratory Hematology, they are numerous.

Just like the West African College of Pathologists we also have West African College of Medical laboratory Scientists (WAPCMLS) and West african college of Pharmacy WACP. They were not established to "compete with physician's salary" but to develop their specialty.

If you spend you time learning about professional advancements in other fields, you won't call them "mere artisans" as some of physicians do.

Thank you

I can see that it is an incontrovertible fact that there are non medical consultants in more developed societies like in the U.S and U.K. It is also wrong that doctors should blanketly oppose the appointment of non medical consultants. The issue should be is Nigeria ripe for such. We cannot just say because there are non medical consultants in U.K then there must be non medical consultants in NIgerian hospitals. Medical doctors should accept the fact that with development in the field of medical research there wld definitely be need for non medical consultants in different fields. Most of the teaching hospitals I've been oppourtuned to visit in this country are nothing but mere secondary health facilities where no ground breaking researches are conducted. It is hard to imagine why one wld need non medical consultant in these facilities because it won't add value to patient care as presently constituted. If government is able to upgrade our health facilities to tertiary level am sure the medical doctors would be the ones to even clamuor for other health workers to be employed especially in the field of research. It is hard to think of why one wld need a consultant medical lab scientist when all that the majority of labs in our hospital do I learnt includes full blood count, mp, genotype, ESR, blood group, pcv, microscopy and sensitivity, u & e, urinalysis, cultures, serology and other basic test that should be conducted by lab technicians. These investigations I must confess are below what a medical lab scientist should be doing talk more of a medical lab scientist consultant. This vehement clamour for consultancy position by JOHESU at this stage of our medical development in my humble observation is for ego and fianacial gain. At some stage in our development I learnt almost all medical doctors in Nigeria were medical officers and the lab technicians were in charge of the labs. As we evolved we saw the need for various medical specialties hence medical consultants and lab scientists as we have today. It is inevitable that we would eventually have non medical consultants if we continue to develop our health sector but for now we are far from that reality. Other health workers need to better themselves academically so that they can be ready for the enormous challenge ahead. Objective observers would agree that JOHESU as a union is an antagonistic alliance. Most JOHESU members are quick to talk about what is obtainable abroad but from my research there is no such alliance of unrelated medical professionals abroad. The only thing that could have cemented this union which is missing is the doctor. The doctor is what all the units that make up JOHESU have in common. I also observed that most JOHESU members are quick to insult medical doctors which is rather strange. You call them half baked and incompetent yet you want to be treated as equals with these "incompetent doctors". This stark of inferiority complex. You need to be proud of your profession. When members of the public erroneously think you are a medical doctor don't just smile and fail to correct them. Be proud to say "sorry mister am not a medical doctor am an optometrist or physiotherapist or lab scientist" and educate them on your job description. Be proud of your profession. On a lighter note the story was told of a female optometrist parading herself as a doctor in the community her bubble bursted when a convulsing child was rushed to her she was so confused that she fainted. If only she had told them she was not a medical doctor even though she has a Dr before her name. Is it right for government to pay call duty monthly to optometrist when I learnt they don't take calls. Who wld require an emergency refraction or low viaion assesament at 1am. These are some of the irregularity that government has created and every body in the health sector explore. Medical doctors should learn to accommodate other health professionals and treat them with respect. This unnecessary phobia is uncalled for. We know you spent many years during your training. It was by choice I believe. Don't be afraid when other people are trying to seek advancement. God has by your calling place you at the apex of the medical field and every JOHESU member know that in their heart though they would never admit it. That is why it is you they seek when they or a member of their family is ill. No lab scientist goes to a fellow lab scientist when he is ill. One cannot isolate NMA or JOHESU from the larger decay that is obtainable in the larger society. Their member are drawn from this same society where corruption is the order of the day. I would conclude by saying doctor should prepare their minds for non medical consultant in the future as our hospitals as composed presently have no place for such except if a clueless government want anarchy to rein. JOHESU should stop this campaign of calumny against medical doctors in other to achieve their aims. MEDICAL DOCTORS ARE FIRST AMONG EQUALS.

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Re: Doctors’ Strike Cripples Hospitals Nationwide by phantomm: 5:04pm On Jul 03, 2014
iwonbaoko: Salary ratios should not be set arbitrarily.Salary ratio is a matter of demand and supply. In short an economic issue not an egotistic one. Who set the salary ratio of Footballers to volleyballers or footballers to doctors.
No one agitates to say that cleaners should not get the highest pay.If the MARKET decides cleaners deserve the highest pay everyone will become a cleaner and the market will change its mind.If the market decides that nurses deserve the highest pay very good this just makes life easy.No need to go to medical school anymore Shikena!!

What determines the pay of any worker is not how clever he is or how long he spent in school but how much the MARKET IS WILLING TO PAY. This would work not just in an INTER disciplinary way but also an INTRA disciplinary way. So e.g the question would arise should Surgeons earn the same with paediatricians and psychiatrists etc.
Overcentralization of wages means some doctors "CARRY" other doctors who might not be as productive. This might not be obvious when we look at SALARIES but when you look at LOCUM pay you will discover that MARKET FORCES determine who gets what.
In summary employers pay you for what you do not what you know. If I am running a hospital business I know I will get more money for Hip replacements,IVF, etc than for treating hypertension or diabetes and the pay reflects that. In the oil industry some deep water welders earn more than Engineers. This is all down to demand and supply and not how long you spent in school. I have seen situations where Psychiatrists earn up to 50% more than physicians who work"harder" in terms of exertion simply because of shortages.I have seen also Specialist nurses earn more than physicians for similar reasons. The way the market works if such a situation is sustained it would attract new entrants and a new equilibrium is found. No one can force a price of garri on the market unless there is a distortion.The market will equilibrate and this applies to salaries too. If a particular job is attracting distorted high salaries it will attract a lot of entrants until there is oversupply and not even medicine is immune from this principle. A similar example would apply to location : Many doctor prefer to work in the cities or south and so employers would need to pay a premium to attract quality doctors to rural areas like Chibok or Damaturu.
very true!!!
Re: Doctors’ Strike Cripples Hospitals Nationwide by phantomm: 5:09pm On Jul 03, 2014
vinnyvinny:

I can see that it is an incontrovertible fact that there are non medical consultants in more developed societies like in the U.S and U.K. It is also wrong that doctors should blanketly oppose the appointment of non medical consultants. The issue should be is Nigeria ripe for such. We cannot just say because there are non medical consultants in U.K then there must be non medical consultants in NIgerian hospitals. Medical doctors should accept the fact that with development in the field of medical research there wld definitely be need for non medical consultants in different fields. Most of the teaching hospitals I've been oppourtuned to visit in this country are nothing but mere secondary health facilities where no ground breaking researches are conducted. It is hard to imagine why one wld need non medical consultant in these facilities because it won't add value to patient care as presently constituted. If government is able to upgrade our health facilities to tertiary level am sure the medical doctors would be the ones to even clamuor for other health workers to be employed especially in the field of research. It is hard to think of why one wld need a consultant medical lab scientist when all that the majority of labs in our hospital do I learnt includes full blood count, mp, genotype, ESR, blood group, pcv, microscopy and sensitivity, u & e, urinalysis, cultures, serology and other basic test that should be conducted by lab technicians. These investigations I must confess are below what a medical lab scientist should be doing talk more of a medical lab scientist consultant. This vehement clamour for consultancy position by JOHESU at this stage of our medical development in my humble observation is for ego and fianacial gain. At some stage in our development I learnt almost all medical doctors in Nigeria were medical officers and the lab technicians were in charge of the labs. As we evolved we saw the need for various medical specialties hence medical consultants and lab scientists as we have today. It is inevitable that we would eventually have non medical consultants if we continue to develop our health sector but for now we are far from that reality. Other health workers need to better themselves academically so that they can be ready for the enormous challenge ahead. Objective observers would agree that JOHESU as a union is an antagonistic alliance. Most JOHESU members are quick to talk about what is obtainable abroad but from my research there is no such alliance of unrelated medical professionals abroad. The only thing that could have cemented this union which is missing is the doctor. The doctor is what all the units that make up JOHESU have in common. I also observed that most JOHESU members are quick to insult medical doctors which is rather strange. You call them half baked and incompetent yet you want to be treated as equals with these "incompetent doctors". This stark of inferiority complex. You need to be proud of your profession. When members of the public erroneously think you are a medical doctor don't just smile and fail to correct them. Be proud to say "sorry mister am not a medical doctor am an optometrist or physiotherapist or lab scientist" and educate them on your job description. Be proud of your profession. On a lighter note the story was told of a female optometrist parading herself as a doctor in the community her bubble bursted when a convulsing child was rushed to her she was so confused that she fainted. If only she had told them she was not a medical doctor even though she has a Dr before her name. Is it right for government to pay call duty monthly to optometrist when I learnt they don't take calls. Who wld require an emergency refraction or low viaion assesament at 1am. These are some of the irregularity that government has created and every body in the health sector explore. Medical doctors should learn to accommodate other health professionals and treat them with respect. This unnecessary phobia is uncalled for. We know you spent many years during your training. It was by choice I believe. Don't be afraid when other people are trying to seek advancement. God has by your calling place you at the apex of the medical field and every JOHESU member know that in their heart though they would never admit it. That is why it is you they seek when they or a member of their family is ill. No lab scientist goes to a fellow lab scientist when he is ill. One cannot isolate NMA or JOHESU from the larger decay that is obtainable in the larger society. Their member are drawn from this same society where corruption is the order of the day. I would conclude by saying doctor should prepare their minds for non medical consultant in the future as our hospitals as composed presently have no place for such except if a clueless government want anarchy to rein. JOHESU should stop this campaign of calumny against medical doctors in other to achieve their aims. MEDICAL DOCTORS ARE FIRST AMONG EQUALS.
o my o my!!!!!! are you nigerian? i read this post with tears in my eyes and clapping at the same time. god bless you. i wish every nigerian can think like you. this is definitely post of the week. hope you dont mind if i share. i am so impressed!!! shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked grin grin cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy
the bolded is what i expected the sensible nairalanders here to debate.you will live long o jare!
Re: Doctors’ Strike Cripples Hospitals Nationwide by Nobody: 5:55pm On Jul 03, 2014
vinnyvinny:

I can see that it is an incontrovertible fact that there are non medical consultants in more developed societies like in the U.S and U.K. It is also wrong that doctors should blanketly oppose the appointment of non medical consultants. The issue should be is Nigeria ripe for such. We cannot just say because there are non medical consultants in U.K then there must be non medical consultants in NIgerian hospitals. Medical doctors should accept the fact that with development in the field of medical research there wld definitely be need for non medical consultants in different fields. Most of the teaching hospitals I've been oppourtuned to visit in this country are nothing but mere secondary health facilities where no ground breaking researches are conducted. It is hard to imagine why one wld need non medical consultant in these facilities because it won't add value to patient care as presently constituted. If government is able to upgrade our health facilities to tertiary level am sure the medical doctors would be the ones to even clamuor for other health workers to be employed especially in the field of research. It is hard to think of why one wld need a consultant medical lab scientist when all that the majority of labs in our hospital do I learnt includes full blood count, mp, genotype, ESR, blood group, pcv, microscopy and sensitivity, u & e, urinalysis, cultures, serology and other basic test that should be conducted by lab technicians. These investigations I must confess are below what a medical lab scientist should be doing talk more of a medical lab scientist consultant. This vehement clamour for consultancy position by JOHESU at this stage of our medical development in my humble observation is for ego and fianacial gain. At some stage in our development I learnt almost all medical doctors in Nigeria were medical officers and the lab technicians were in charge of the labs. As we evolved we saw the need for various medical specialties hence medical consultants and lab scientists as we have today. It is inevitable that we would eventually have non medical consultants if we continue to develop our health sector but for now we are far from that reality. Other health workers need to better themselves academically so that they can be ready for the enormous challenge ahead. Objective observers would agree that JOHESU as a union is an antagonistic alliance. Most JOHESU members are quick to talk about what is obtainable abroad but from my research there is no such alliance of unrelated medical professionals abroad. The only thing that could have cemented this union which is missing is the doctor. The doctor is what all the units that make up JOHESU have in common.[b] I also observed that most JOHESU members are quick to insult medical doctors which is rather strange. You call them half baked and incompetent yet you want to be treated as equals with these "incompetent doctors". This stark of inferiority complex. You need to be proud of your profession. When members of the public erroneously think you are a medical doctor don't just smile and fail to correct them. Be proud to say "sorry mister am not a medical doctor am an optometrist or physiotherapist or lab scientist" and educate them on your job description.[/b]Be proud of your profession. On a lighter note the story was told of a female optometrist parading herself as a doctor in the community her bubble bursted when a convulsing child was rushed to her she was so confused that she fainted. If only she had told them she was not a medical doctor even though she has a Dr before her name. Is it right for government to pay call duty monthly to optometrist when I learnt they don't take calls. Who wld require an emergency refraction or low viaion assesament at 1am. These are some of the irregularity that government has created and every body in the health sector explore. Medical doctors should learn to accommodate other health professionals and treat them with respect. This unnecessary phobia is uncalled for. We know you spent many years during your training. It was by choice I believe. Don't be afraid when other people are trying to seek advancement. God has by your calling place you at the apex of the medical field and every JOHESU member know that in their heart though they would never admit it. That is why it is you they seek when they or a member of their family is ill. No lab scientist goes to a fellow lab scientist when he is ill. One cannot isolate NMA or JOHESU from the larger decay that is obtainable in the larger society. Their member are drawn from this same society where corruption is the order of the day. I would conclude by saying doctor should prepare their minds for non medical consultant in the future as our hospitals as composed presently have no place for such except if a clueless government want anarchy to rein. JOHESU should stop this campaign of calumny against medical doctors in other to achieve their aims. MEDICAL DOCTORS ARE FIRST AMONG EQUALS.


I will give your write up a pass mark, but not without sharing my thoughts on it.

@first bolded
I'm a Scientist and i work with documented facts.
You don't just declare us that Consultancy for other professionals won't work by mere fiat.... Show us the evidence and results of the study you conducted to that effect.
If you don't have it then start by experimenting in phases, by choosing select tertiary hospitals and research institution, implement it there and see how it works out.

I share the belief with many that Nigeria needs to have it's own Consultants (heck we already have international renowned and respected ones) contributing effectively in patient's care, research and other fields of health care. Ok, what happens to our Scientists who have been confirmed as Consultants in developed countries but has their consultancy withdrawn by Nigerian NMA-members in the health ministry? we ship them off back to South Africa, U.K, and U.S because a group of organized thugs feel insure. Hilarious if you ask me.

As a nation we are already behind schedule in the Vision 20,20,20 and Millenium develpoment goals, according to our poor health indices. So i ask for the umpteenth time, When will we be ready to have our Consultant pharmacist, Scientists, Physios, Nurses e.tc contribute their quota as is done abroad. In 3099?, a million years from now?

@second bolded.
The tests you mentioned (pcv, genotype) are important they seem easy to some of you on the surfaced so you
believe anyone can run those test. It goes beyond that. The Technician though important is not well equipped with
knowledge on the Epidemiology and Genetic factors in haemoglobinopathies, so he might run a genotype and report an SC genotype as AS..
how will you feel then if you are the patient or anyone related to the that case.
It is a mistake but the Technician can not give what he doesn't have.
I will lay the blame on the Scientist for not doing his job as he is the only professional equipped to carry out an investigation as important as
that, no matter how easy the procedure may seem.
There is a saying that "lots of "reactions" go on in a Scientist's mind while
looking observing a reaction in a test tube, tile or slide"
Heck people get married guided with genotype results of their partners. It will be "simple mistake" on a "simple test" that could cause agony for generations to come. Imagine marrying someone thinking she is AA, after having genotype tests run by different unqualified personnels, but finds out she is AS after a Sickler child already came aboard.
Let the professionals do their job, no matter how it seems.
If the Technicians and Assistants are not important they won't be in our labs. They are very important.

They are there so our Scientists CAN CONCENTRATE ON THINKING THROUGH INVESTIGATIONS for the benefit of the patient. Patient's sample should be treated as the Patients, because it is the little part(samples) that tells you about the whole(patient).

@3rd bolded.
Action begets reaction, Nobody naturally hates doctors, why should anyone?, they should take a good look at themselves
and identify the problem. Treating nurses and other health staffs like rags and calling them names like elizan, drug dispenser etc.and fighting for their pockets alone while claiming to be the leader will not be tolerated anymore. JOHESU is the frankeinstein monster created by NMA 's insensitivity to other partners in the health sector.
Personally I don't care about their ego, i'm bright and not an underachiever, i had "Scientist tag" over my name on the
breast poocket of my white lab coat during internship. I proudly identified with my status as a Scientist.

On a lighter note during my internship days one house-officer i knew, anytime his superiors
send him to come collect results in the lab he calls me a Lab boy, i keep a stright face and call him a houseboy.

Him: Hey, lab boy i came for the result of patient XYZ.

Me: Ah houseboy, you already here, the result is not ready, we're still calibrating our faulty machines and running manuals. Come later.

A Medical officer, once wrote a note addressing a Senior Scientist as a Technician during call,
the Scientist wrote back reminding him that technicians don't do calls, and addressed him as a Ward officer. Funny experiences.
It goes both ways but when our physicians are ready it will stop.

@4th bolded
Everyone needs everyone to function optimally, I will go to the hospital if i or a relative is sick,
the doctors will of course bring his relatives sample during call for investiagtion, i can decide to have nothing to do with that sample
or ask him to go pay first. I could also decide to stop all other sample i'm running and attend to his sample first. It goes both ways brother.
If a doctors becomes a patient, he'll need a nurse to care for him, if he is to be admmitted and his tests won't be run in the moon...will they?

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Re: Doctors’ Strike Cripples Hospitals Nationwide by ohzee(f): 6:34pm On Jul 03, 2014
I still remember this thread on nairaland last year.

https://www.nairaland.com/1158874/why-anyone-want-doctor
Re: Doctors’ Strike Cripples Hospitals Nationwide by vinnyvinny(m): 7:12pm On Jul 03, 2014
phantomm: o my o my!!!!!! are you nigerian? i read this post with tears in my eyes and clapping at the same time. god bless you. i wish every nigerian can think like you. this is definitely post of the week. hope you dont mind if i share. i am so impressed!!! shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked grin grin cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy
the bolded is what i expected the sensible nairalanders here to debate.you will live long o jare!

Pls feel free to share if it wld take this discuss to another level.
Re: Doctors’ Strike Cripples Hospitals Nationwide by vinnyvinny(m): 8:14pm On Jul 03, 2014
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Re: Doctors’ Strike Cripples Hospitals Nationwide by Nobody: 8:24pm On Jul 03, 2014
vinnyvinny:

I can see that it is an incontrovertible fact that there are non medical consultants in more developed societies like in the U.S and U.K. It is also wrong that doctors should blanketly oppose the appointment of non medical consultants. The issue should be is Nigeria ripe for such. We cannot just say because there are non medical consultants in U.K then there must be non medical consultants in NIgerian hospitals. Medical doctors should accept the fact that with development in the field of medical research there wld definitely be need for non medical consultants in different fields. Most of the teaching hospitals I've been oppourtuned to visit in this country are nothing but mere secondary health facilities where no ground breaking researches are conducted. It is hard to imagine why one wld need non medical consultant in these facilities because it won't add value to patient care as presently constituted. If government is able to upgrade our health facilities to tertiary level am sure the medical doctors would be the ones to even clamuor for other health workers to be employed especially in the field of research. It is hard to think of why one wld need a consultant medical lab scientist when all that the majority of labs in our hospital do I learnt includes full blood count, mp, genotype, ESR, blood group, pcv, microscopy and sensitivity, u & e, urinalysis, cultures, serology and other basic test that should be conducted by lab technicians. These investigations I must confess are below what a medical lab scientist should be doing talk more of a medical lab scientist consultant. This vehement clamour for consultancy position by JOHESU at this stage of our medical development in my humble observation is for ego and fianacial gain. At some stage in our development I learnt almost all medical doctors in Nigeria were medical officers and the lab technicians were in charge of the labs. As we evolved we saw the need for various medical specialties hence medical consultants and lab scientists as we have today. It is inevitable that we would eventually have non medical consultants if we continue to develop our health sector but for now we are far from that reality. Other health workers need to better themselves academically so that they can be ready for the enormous challenge ahead. Objective observers would agree that JOHESU as a union is an antagonistic alliance. Most JOHESU members are quick to talk about what is obtainable abroad but from my research there is no such alliance of unrelated medical professionals abroad. The only thing that could have cemented this union which is missing is the doctor. The doctor is what all the units that make up JOHESU have in common. I also observed that most JOHESU members are quick to insult medical doctors which is rather strange. You call them half baked and incompetent yet you want to be treated as equals with these "incompetent doctors". This stark of inferiority complex. You need to be proud of your profession. When members of the public erroneously think you are a medical doctor don't just smile and fail to correct them. Be proud to say "sorry mister am not a medical doctor am an optometrist or physiotherapist or lab scientist" and educate them on your job description. Be proud of your profession. On a lighter note the story was told of a female optometrist parading herself as a doctor in the community her bubble bursted when a convulsing child was rushed to her she was so confused that she fainted. If only she had told them she was not a medical doctor even though she has a Dr before her name. Is it right for government to pay call duty monthly to optometrist when I learnt they don't take calls. Who wld require an emergency refraction or low viaion assesament at 1am. These are some of the irregularity that government has created and every body in the health sector explore. Medical doctors should learn to accommodate other health professionals and treat them with respect. This unnecessary phobia is uncalled for. We know you spent many years during your training. It was by choice I believe. Don't be afraid when other people are trying to seek advancement. God has by your calling place you at the apex of the medical field and every JOHESU member know that in their heart though they would never admit it. That is why it is you they seek when they or a member of their family is ill. No lab scientist goes to a fellow lab scientist when he is ill. One cannot isolate NMA or JOHESU from the larger decay that is obtainable in the larger society. Their member are drawn from this same society where corruption is the order of the day. I would conclude by saying doctor should prepare their minds for non medical consultant in the future as our hospitals as composed presently have no place for such except if a clueless government want anarchy to rein. JOHESU should stop this campaign of calumny against medical doctors in other to achieve their aims. MEDICAL DOCTORS ARE FIRST AMONG EQUALS.
Re: Doctors’ Strike Cripples Hospitals Nationwide by vinnyvinny(m): 8:31pm On Jul 03, 2014
YourHealthlabs:


I will give your write up a pass mark, but not without sharing my thoughts on it.

@first bolded
I'm a Scientist and i work with documented facts.
You don't just declare us that Consultancy for other professionals won't work by mere fiat.... Show us the evidence and results of the study you conducted to that effect.
If you don't have it then start by experimenting in phases, by choosing select tertiary hospitals and research institution, implement it there and see how it works out.

I share the belief with many that Nigeria needs to have it's own Consultants (heck we already have international renowned and respected ones) contributing effectively in patient's care, research and other fields of health care. Ok, what happens to our Scientists who have been confirmed as Consultants in developed countries but has their consultancy withdrawn by Nigerian NMA-members in the health ministry? we ship them off back to South Africa, U.K, and U.S because a group of organized thugs feel insure. Hilarious if you ask me.

As a nation we are already behind schedule in the Vision 20,20,20 and Millenium develpoment goals, according to our poor health indices. So i ask for the umpteenth time, When will we be ready to have our Consultant pharmacist, Scientists, Physios, Nurses e.tc contribute their quota as is done abroad. In 3099?, a million years from now?

@second bolded.
The tests you mentioned (pcv, genotype) are important they seem easy to some of you on the surfaced so you
believe anyone can run those test. It goes beyond that. The Technician though important is not well equipped with
knowledge on the Epidemiology and Genetic factors in haemoglobinopathies, so he might run a genotype and report an SC genotype as AS..
how will you feel then if you are the patient or anyone related to the that case.
It is a mistake but the Technician can not give what he doesn't have.
I will lay the blame on the Scientist for not doing his job as he is the only professional equipped to carry out an investigation as important as
that, no matter how easy the procedure may seem.
There is a saying that "lots of "reactions" go on in a Scientist's mind while
looking observing a reaction in a test tube, tile or slide"
Heck people get married guided with genotype results of their partners. It will be "simple mistake" on a "simple test" that could cause agony for generations to come. Imagine marrying someone thinking she is AA, after having genotype tests run by different unqualified personnels, but finds out she is AS after a Sickler child already came aboard.
Let the professionals do their job, no matter how it seems.
If the Technicians and Assistants are not important they won't be in our labs. They are very important.

They are there so our Scientists CAN CONCENTRATE ON THINKING THROUGH INVESTIGATIONS for the benefit of the patient. Patient's sample should be treated as the Patients, because it is the little part(samples) that tells you about the whole(patient).

@3rd bolded.
Action begets reaction, Nobody naturally hates doctors, why should anyone?, they should take a good look at themselves
and identify the problem. Treating nurses and other health staffs like rags and calling them names like elizan, drug dispenser etc.and fighting for their pockets alone while claiming to be the leader will not be tolerated anymore. JOHESU is the frankeinstein monster created by NMA 's insensitivity to other partners in the health sector.
Personally I don't care about their ego, i'm bright and not an underachiever, i had "Scientist tag" over my name on the
breast poocket of my white lab coat during internship. I proudly identified with my status as a Scientist.

On a lighter note during my internship days one house-officer i knew, anytime his superiors
send him to come collect results in the lab he calls me a Lab boy, i keep a stright face and call him a houseboy.

Him: Hey, lab boy i came for the result of patient XYZ.

Me: Ah houseboy, you already here, the result is not ready, we're still calibrating our faulty machines and running manuals. Come later.

A Medical officer, once wrote a note addressing a Senior Scientist as a Technician during call,
the Scientist wrote back reminding him that technicians don't do calls, and addressed him as a Ward officer. Funny experiences.
It goes both ways but when our physicians are ready it will stop.

@4th bolded
Everyone needs everyone to function optimally, I will go to the hospital if i or a relative is sick,
the doctors will of course bring his relatives sample during call for investiagtion, i can decide to have nothing to do with that sample
or ask him to go pay first. I could also decide to stop all other sample i'm running and attend to his sample first. It goes both ways brother.
If a doctors becomes a patient, he'll need a nurse to care for him, if he is to be admmitted and his tests won't be run in moon...will they?


Sir, I know for sure that "consultant" is not an academic qualification. It is an appointment for which people who engage the services of one specify the minimum academic qualification they require from such an appointee be it in medicine or other fields of endeavour.
In the case of medical doctors I learnt a fellowship from either the West African College or National college or its equivalent obtained abroad is the minimum qualification required by hospitals in Nigeria for appointment as medical consultant. Hence having passed the fellowship exam does not make one a consultant; it only makes one a Fellow hence qualified academically to seek a job as a consultant if such opening presents itself in his chosen specialty. I happen to have heard about doctors who though have passed the fellowship exam but are still been paid as senior registrars because their centres don't need the services of additional consultants in that field. I made this analogy because you said some Nigerian scientists have been confirmed as consultants abroad. I believe this is because they have the minimum academic requirement that the institution abroad advertised when it needed a consultant in that field. Hence such a scientist cannot insist on been employed as a consultant if he decides to come back and serve his mother land. A firm may decide that they need someone to consult on an area of specialty. Such a person automatically becomes a consultant to that firm. It is left for the firm to decide whether the consultant should have a minimum of first degree or a PhD. You guys in the medical field both doctors and other health workers think your residency makes you a consultant; it doesn't. It makes you a Fellow which is the minimum requirement for the appointment as a medical consultant in Nigeria. Hence, it is erroneous to say someone's consultancy was stripped by the ministry of health. It is not an academic qualification nor is it a chieftaincy title. It is an appointment that can be terminated by the employer. If a consultant rheumatologist appointment is terminated by hospital XYZ such a person ceases to be a consultant to XYZ but it doesn't take away his fellowship which he can use to seek another consultant position somewhere else. In a situation where he cannot find a place where is service is needed he has to work as and earn the salary of a medical officer. It is all about demand. If there is no demand for consultancy in a field why insist on having one. With development in health care there wld be demand for consultants in all sphere on health care even in the records department because we live in a digital world.

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Re: Doctors’ Strike Cripples Hospitals Nationwide by Nobody: 8:46pm On Jul 03, 2014
vinnyvinny:

Sir, I know for sure that "consultant" is not an academic qualification. It is an appointment for which people who engage the services of one specify the minimum academic qualification they require from such an appointee be it in medicine or other fields of endeavour.
In the case of medical doctors I learnt a fellowship from either the West African College or National college or its equivalent obtained abroad is the minimum qualification required by hospitals in Nigeria for appointment as medical consultant. Hence having passed the fellowship exam does not make one a consultant; it only makes one a Fellow hence qualified academically to seek a job as a consultant if such opening presents itself in his chosen specialty. I happen to have heard about doctors who though have passed the fellowship exam but are still been paid as senior registrars because their centres don't need the services of additional consultants in that field. I made this analogy because you said some Nigerian scientists have been confirmed as consultants abroad. I believe this is because they have the minimum academic requirement that the institution abroad advertised when it needed a consultant in that field. Hence such a scientist cannot insist on been employed as a consultant if he decides to come back and serve his mother land. A firm may decide that they need someone to consult on an area of specialty. Such a person automatically becomes a consultant to that firm. It is left for the firm to decide whether the consultant should have a minimum of first degree or a PhD. You guys in the medical field both doctors and other health workers think your residency makes you a consultant; it doesn't. It makes you a Fellow which is the minimum requirement for the appointment as a medical consultant in Nigeria. Hence, it is erroneous to say someone's consultancy was stripped by the ministry of health. It is not an academic qualification nor is it a chieftaincy title. It is an appointment that can be terminated by the employer. If a consultant rheumatologist appointment is terminated by hospital XYZ such a person ceases to be a consultant to XYZ but it doesn't take away his fellowship which he can use to seek another consultant position somewhere else. In a situation where he cannot find a place where is service is needed he has to work as and earn the salary of a medical officer. It is all about demand. If there is no demand for consultancy in a field why insist on having one. With development in health care there wld be demand for consultants in all sphere on health care even in the records department because we live in a digital world.

@bolded
Sir, You misunderstood me. Maybe i sounded like consultancy is awarded by the FMOH, absolutely no.

I agree with you, the ministry of health can't take strip a Scientist's or Pharmacist's of his credentials as FIBMS,FRCPATH, FWAPCMLS or FWACP, they can only terminate a Consultant's appointment. In JOHESU's case some of them have been appointed consultants before now until a circular was released by the FMOH pressured by NMA to terminate those appointments. That's where the problem lies.

It was nice chatting with you.
Re: Doctors’ Strike Cripples Hospitals Nationwide by Nobody: 8:54pm On Jul 03, 2014
In my opinion...NMA demands are just truckload of crap. Its nt even patient-focussed...just adminstrative battle between them and JOHESU. its the patient that will suffer in this whole brouhaha...and they are jus too greedy to see that.

For starters...what the heck is a Surgeon General of the Federatn and hw does it better the lives of patients...if nt that its simply a political position and one more bragging claim over other health professionals

Secondly, why are they fighting to head over all the units in the hospital. Imagine a doctor that just graduated and did masters in maybe...say Nursing, would come and be the Chief Nursing Officer in a unit that has matrons with over 25years experience...what a disparity.

I think the major reason why there is so much decay in the health sector is because all the units have always been headed by medical consultants that are ill-trained for the field they are heading. Let the Nurses, lab scientists other health workers man their own unit if they are duly qualified to do so.

NMA cant survive on their own and neither can JOHESU. What is a doctor without a lab test result...NATIVE DOCTOR.

They should stop all this admistrative war and put aside all differences and overbloated ego... to work together for the benefit of the patients...which is their primary purpose of being health workers.

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Re: Doctors’ Strike Cripples Hospitals Nationwide by armadeo(m): 9:08pm On Jul 03, 2014
Slimchy09: In my opinion...NMA demands are just truckload of crap. Its nt even patient-focussed...just adminstrative battle between them and JOHESU. its the patient that will suffer in this whole brouhaha...and they are jus too greedy to see that.

For starters...what the heck is a Surgeon General of the Federatn and hw does it better the lives of patients...if nt that its simply a political position and one more bragging claim over other health professionals

Secondly, why are they fighting to head over all the units in the hospital. [b]Imagine a doctor that just graduated and did masters in maybe...say Nursing, would come and be the Chief Nursing Office[/b]r in a unit that has matrons with over 25years experience...what a disparity.

I think the major reason why there is so much decay in the health sector is because all the units have always been headed by medical consultants that are ill-trained for the field they are heading. Let the Nurses, lab scientists other health workers man their own unit if they are duly qualified to do so.

NMA cant survive on their own and neither can JOHESU. What is a doctor without a lab test result...NATIVE DOCTOR.

They should stop all this admistrative war and put aside all differences and overbloated ego... to work together for the benefit of the patients...which is their primary purpose of being health workers.



The nerve of some posts sha. there is no need to explain to you.

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Re: Doctors’ Strike Cripples Hospitals Nationwide by Nobody: 9:14pm On Jul 03, 2014
armadeo:



The nerve of some posts sha. there is no need to explain to you.

Dont quote me next time...if u have nothing reasonable to say.
I am entitled to my opinions.
Re: Doctors’ Strike Cripples Hospitals Nationwide by infolekan(m): 9:40pm On Jul 03, 2014
Slimchy09: In my opinion...NMA demands are just truckload of crap. Its nt even patient-focussed...just adminstrative battle between them and JOHESU. its the patient that will suffer in this whole brouhaha...and they are jus too greedy to see that.

For starters...what the heck is a Surgeon General of the Federatn and hw does it better the lives of patients...if nt that its simply a political position and one more bragging claim over other health professionals

Secondly, why are they fighting to head over all the units in the hospital. Imagine a doctor that just graduated and did masters in maybe...say Nursing, would come and be the Chief Nursing Officer in a unit that has matrons with over 25years experience...what a disparity.

I think the major reason why there is so much decay in the health sector is because all the units have always been headed by medical consultants that are ill-trained for the field they are heading. Let the Nurses, lab scientists other health workers man their own unit if they are duly qualified to do so.

NMA cant survive on their own and neither can JOHESU. What is a doctor without a lab test result...NATIVE DOCTOR.

They should stop all this admistrative war and put aside all differences and overbloated ego... to work together for the benefit of the patients...which is their primary purpose of being health workers.

While your bluntness and sketchy(don't want to use childish) view of the hospital system was tolerable at its best....that highlighted part up there is where I feel you need to draw some sense out of the well.
Number of years spent on a Job isn't what qualifies one to be a Head in the Institution.
Most people have the problem of comparing a hospital to a ministry.
There's a post of Chief Nursing Officer that is ably and we'll occupied by a Nurse. Nobody contests that aside a Nurse.
There's a Chief Pharmacist. You don't smell that position without being a Pharmacist.
Before the advent of Specialty training in Medicine....most hospitals had just Medical officers. The new and young Consultants threw them out because they were specialists and better read.
The CNO doesn't really mean squat in the scheme of seniority...she gets all the respect due to a Senior colleague but she has to learn to work as a team mate with a much younger Doctor ( the idea of a team doesn't mean there is no team leader or who would bear responsibility)
All the other points you raised aren't really worth answering. Felt you really went too low in the highlighted part though

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Re: Doctors’ Strike Cripples Hospitals Nationwide by armadeo(m): 9:55pm On Jul 03, 2014
Slimchy09:

Dont quote me next time...if u have nothing reasonable to say.
I am entitled to my opinions.


yes you are in that i agree with you 100%.
Re: Doctors’ Strike Cripples Hospitals Nationwide by 09temple(m): 10:14pm On Jul 03, 2014
Native Doctors can now dust dia kits n get ready for work. Doctor na Doctor naaa
Re: Doctors’ Strike Cripples Hospitals Nationwide by Nobody: 10:26pm On Jul 03, 2014
infolekan:

While your bluntness and sketchy(don't want to use childish) view of the hospital system was tolerable at its best....that highlighted part up there is where I feel you need to draw some sense out of the well.
Number of years spent on a Job isn't what qualifies one to be a Head in the Institution.
Most people have the problem of comparing a hospital to a ministry.
There's a post of Chief Nursing Officer that is ably and we'll occupied by a Nurse. Nobody contests that aside a Nurse.
There's a Chief Pharmacist. You don't smell that position without being a Pharmacist.
Before the advent of Specialty training in Medicine....most hospitals had just Medical officers. The new and young Consultants threw them out because they were specialists and better read.
The CNO doesn't really mean squat in the scheme of seniority...she gets all the respect due to a Senior colleague but she has to learn to work as a team mate with a much younger Doctor ( the idea of a team doesn't mean there is no team leader or who would bear responsibility)
All the other points you raised aren't really worth answering. Felt you really went too low in the highlighted part though
I agree that number of years spent doe not qualify one to be head so what is it that qualifies one to be head. Let us try and clarify that exactly
Re: Doctors’ Strike Cripples Hospitals Nationwide by ujustice: 10:29pm On Jul 03, 2014
There is no need to complain about the strike by doctors. There are consultant nurses, pharmacists and lab scientist, consultant records staff and consultant cleaners manning the hospitals. Johesu has asked for legalisation of quackery while they go behind to privately consult medical doctors. Soon the court clerk will fight to b a judge or say their salaries should be equal, senate presidency should b for national assembly staff not the sole preserve of legislators. Instead of going to school to read medicine they took the easy way out and want equal renumeration? Everywhere except Nigeria medical doctors are first class citizens. In Nigeria it is more profitable to be a nurse than a doctor. Nurses work for two weeks and are paid for the whole month. Doctors work 24 hrs most days and are not paid over time. I have seen doctors pay out of pocket for critically I'll patients who arrived hospital with no money. its a shame that this is even an issue, in the military a doctor of a lower rank than a nurse, pharmacist etc is the automatic commander in charge of a military hospital, even the military that holds seniority in high esteem recognised that the doctor is in charge of a hospital by default. Pls those who say doctors are useless and should not b in charge of hospitals have an opportunity to demonstrate the capability of other support staff to take charge of the hospital therefore they should see the strike by Doctors as a welcome development. But those who recognise the use fullness of doctors and agree that only doctor can b trusted with human life should prevail on government to do the right thing. When I fall sick I want a medical Doctor to see me no one else, I don't know about you?
Re: Doctors’ Strike Cripples Hospitals Nationwide by Elythron16zero4: 11:17pm On Jul 03, 2014
Circle-Of-Wilis:
explain 'faulty prognosis'
If you are a doctor as i presume that u are one taking a lead from your stance on this matter and you don't know what a prognosis is and when it's wrong then it leaves much to be desired of you and calls to credibility the source of your certificate. visit MedicineNet.com
Re: Doctors’ Strike Cripples Hospitals Nationwide by phantomm: 11:24pm On Jul 03, 2014
Elythron16zero4: If you are a doctor as i presume that u are one taking a lead from your stance on this matter and you don't know what a prognosis is and when it's wrong then it leaves much to be desired of you and calls to credibility the source of your certificate. visit MedicineNet.com
and you are further making a fool of yourself...no offence. thats why he was laughing at you because you are throwing words around all in the bid to give an opinion. please what is "faulty prognosis" ? educate us since we are quacks.... grin grin grin grin
Re: Doctors’ Strike Cripples Hospitals Nationwide by Nobody: 11:32pm On Jul 03, 2014
ujustice: There is no need to complain about the strike by doctors. There are consultant nurses, pharmacists and lab scientist, consultant records staff and consultant cleaners manning the hospitals. Johesu has asked for legalisation of quackery while they go behind to privately consult medical doctors. Soon the court clerk will fight to b a judge or say their salaries should be equal, senate presidency should b for national assembly staff not the sole preserve of legislators. Instead of going to school to read medicine they took the easy way out and want equal renumeration? Everywhere except Nigeria medical doctors are first class citizens. In Nigeria it is more profitable to be a nurse than a doctor. Nurses work for two weeks and are paid for the whole month. Doctors work 24 hrs most days and are not paid over time. I have seen doctors pay out of pocket for critically I'll patients who arrived hospital with no money. its a shame that this is even an issue, in the military a doctor of a lower rank than a nurse, pharmacist etc is the automatic commander in charge of a military hospital, even the military that holds seniority in high esteem recognised that the doctor is in charge of a hospital by default. Pls those who say doctors are useless and should not b in charge of hospitals have an opportunity to demonstrate the capability of other support staff to take charge of the hospital therefore they should see the strike by Doctors as a welcome development. But those who recognise the use fullness of doctors and agree that only doctor can b trusted with human life should prevail on government to do the right thing. When I fall sick I want a medical Doctor to see me no one else, I don't know about you?
Sentiment and bad logic. Immediately I read your offering it is obvious you are young and immature but still that should not stifle reasoning. As a matter of fact a hospital can be very well managed by a person with ANY university degree from Anthropology to Zoology who has administrative /management experience. The idea that it must be a doctor is just unfathomable .The starting point should be "what are the duties of a hospital CEO?"
Yes when I enter an aeroplane I want a pilot to be in charge of the aircraft but that does not mean he should be in charge of the airline. What make people prefer one airline to another is not the pilots.
Being in charge of treatment for a patient is a clinical issue. Being in charge of a hospital is a management issue. All those example of court clerks etc are irrelevant. I am sorry but you reason like a child

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Re: Doctors’ Strike Cripples Hospitals Nationwide by Elythron16zero4: 12:01am On Jul 04, 2014
infolekan:
This up here is a very childish post from a seemingly matured adult.
One of the well documented fallacy of assuming that every one with an access to a computer is matured intellectually at least to operate one.
the comments of a nipper has no reply but to be silent would mean that he knows what he is saying whereas he doesn't know. I can see how intellectually stupid your namby-pamby is that you resort to frenzy. I thought matured adults are very reasonable to see that it takes a colossal effort to earn a degree from the university and very exacerbating to see another rubbishing that effort on unfounded ad hominem that one discipline is superior than another as you people(Dr's) always feel.why didn't pick up a second degree in yoruba,igbo,hausa or french and see how easy it is. If you guys think you are better than others why are you people taking courses from other departments in your formative years? one of you was quick to say doctors can do every other persons job forgetting that the ability to do that was premised on the knowledge he/she acquired from the ancillary medical fields/departments in the school. If you were not taught your paucity of knowledge in those areas will be worse than a novice. It's painful when people claim they are better than others or had more hard times than others yet some medical doctors actually failed some courses in those department they consider inferior today when they were in school. If they were that easy why did they fail? so my friend mind your language. No thanks to the free MB given to you courtesy of the telecom companies that gave you the gusto to write trash on this thread.
Re: Doctors’ Strike Cripples Hospitals Nationwide by Elythron16zero4: 12:20am On Jul 04, 2014
phantomm: and you are further making a fool of yourself...no offence. thats why he was laughing at you because you are throwing words around all in the bid to give an opinion. please what is "faulty prognosis" ? educate us since we are quacks.... grin grin grin grin
i am very sure you know but you claim you don't. Prognosis means: The forecast of the probable outcome or course of a disease; the patient's chance of 'recovery. Now when you guys predict what a patients disease condition may lead to and you give prescriptions to stop or cure it/ for what you consider is the cause of an ailment and it doesn't match the cure to that sickness, what do you call that? a guess work? Look my aunty went to UK with her medical report and the docttors there said she was wrongly diagnosed. These are some of the flaws of you guys.mind you diagnosis is not d same with prognosis but one is a link to d other. i do know there are a thousand and one reason why certain drugs may not produce results which may necessitate giving another but that in itself amounts to a guess work because the exact cause is not known and an exact cure/treatment is no given.

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