dridowu: If you know your worth you will asked for it. It is only those that does not know their worth accept whatever is given to them.

johnbosco97: Most pharmacists in teaching hospitals are not knowledgeable in their profession. I m a resident in O$G. One day in the antenatal clinic, I prescribed amoxycillin 500mg 3 times a day to a pregnant woman in early third trimester with urinary tract infection. The pharmacist on duty refused to dispense the medication claiming that the dose was too much for a pregnant woman. He came to the clinic before patients shouting that I want to kill the baby with my prescription. He was very bitter. I decided to engage him in academic discussion to know his level of knowledge. I asked him dose of amoxycillin in an adult patient ,the maximum daily dose of amoxycillin and the FDA class of the drug. He was unable to answer those questions . patients started laughing at him. A patient made a side comment that he is fool by thinking that he can engage a doctor in an academic discussion. He was embarrassed and left with bitterness. At the end, the drug was dispensed and patient came back to thank me. Lesson: most allied health workers are not knowledgeable enough to advice a doctor.

Arinze96: Ok. No middle-class anywhere in the world abi?

otokx:

As usual you side track and then quote non related foreign scenarios. Dr Zacchaeus Jeremiah Awortu is not a consultant, he is a lecturer in medical lab science in NDU. The consultant in his research work is Prof Ejele who is with UPTH and is a qualified doctor with specialty in Haematology. Why you guys try to misinform the public is quite baffling? Dr Zacchaeus is an intelligent and hard working young man but he is not and cannot be a consultant. He may go on to be a professor in medical lab science.

Elythron16zero4: Quite laughable but what do you have to say when some doctors give wrong medication to patients from their faulty prognosis ; an error eh? just that single incidence you gave does not rubbish the pharmacist,with your ambiguous fallacy of "MOST PHARMACIST IN TEACHING HOSPITAL ARE NOT KNOWLEDGEABLE IN THEIR FIELD" I have seen doctors committing real blunders in the hospitals. methinks the idea of not being knowledgeable in a field also cut across doctors too.

Elythron16zero4: una really kno una worth but wen fasola trow way una. one wil tink u ppl wil just go home go stat una own job but u pple fot so hard to return especially sending all and sundry to help beg to return wen una see say fasho dont dey employ new doctors.ebi like say una no kno say plennnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnty doctors dey outside wey they find this una work and are willing to take less and even wok better dan u pple. pauper and hungry doctors. NA GEJ DEY LUK UNA FACE WEY HIM NO POSHU UNA COMMOT TAKE BETTER PPLE 4 WORK BUT HIM GO DEY FEAR LIKE LEAVE because OF 2015. rubbish and garbage doctors. IF GEJ GET SENSE LET HIM STOP THEIR SALARY WITH IMMEDIATE EFFECT AND CALL 4 FRESH RECRUITMENT HIM GO SEE AS HUNGER GO FINISH THEM.YEYE PPL

YourHealthlabs:

You can say specialized there, but are you are fully grounded, in pharm chemistry, pharmacognosy, pharmaceutics and other courses like the Pharmacists. You only borrowed pharmacology like everyone else in the Medical laboratory, Optometry, Nursing during undergraduate days.

You only did 2-week rotation in the laboratory during residency(where expected to be taught by Scientists while they are busy), but that's not enough to understand the principles, methodology and procedures behind more than 5,000 different medical tests and results. Be contented with treating the patients with reliable results.

Let me remind you a classic example, Your pathologist Dr. Enabulele once called Vibro cholera a gram positive organism TWICE in a national newspaper(The sun) dated Nov, 28, 2013 page 32. It was a shameful mistake that even a Technician can't make, but he wants to earn and head the Scientists in the laboratory who are recognized by law as Distinct Professionals. Refer to the NICN judgement on Association of Medical laboratory Scientists VS FMC ASABA. It is unlawful for pathologists to head the Scientists in their own directorate.

Ma'am, you can specialize in whatever you want, but you can't head a distinct group of Professionals under the law. I go with the LAW

yomi007k:
Guy nurses r highly dispensable. Wat do dey do by d way? Apart from taking vitals, serving medications, changing bedspread n dressings....all dis dnt require any special skills. I can teach u how 2 do it.

bumfem: I am kept aback at the shallow level of intelligence most physicians demonstrate in their post in here. I was expecting a better argument. Their presentations are misdirected. That somebody should go back to write JAMB is definitely not intelligent way of driving home a point. We are all professionals and very proud of it too.

I got lots of friends in medicine, pharmacy,dentisry, medical rehabilitation(physiotherapy), nursing,,, when in health sciences in OAU. They are all very brilliant and exceptional. That somebody read nursing bc is not good enough in most cases is fallacy of overgeneralization. I was the best in my secondary schl finals and was the best in physiology in our MB1 in ife yet i was not in medicine. Today I make more money than many of my physician friends bc of my chosen career. None of them would ever tell me that i didn't read medicine bc i was not good enough bc they know that is not the case.

Everybod should be happy at what he is doing to care for ur patient. Never make money a priority. Care for others ought to be a calling.

NMA is traveling up hill in this matter. So much energy shall be spent on little achievement. No one can drive against global norm and win.

lomaxx:

You don't have to understand me. Your ice-head friend up there said he can falsify a laboratory result to thwart diagnosis hence frustrating the doctor. And I put it to him and to you that your laboratory whatever is not always the final say in diagnosis. Most times, It is contributory. I must have a high index of suspicion of a particular ailment before I order for a laboratory test so falsify however you want, my clinical acumen will fish your incompetency out.

If a patient comes to me with a suspected typhoid fever with perforation characterized by the usual stepwise ladder pattern of fever, and GI symptoms with signs of peritonitis and your blood culture is showing me a different result, why should I not do a repeat?

Or I order a liver function test in a patient who presents with icterus and your results show me bilirubin levels and liver enzymes in normal range. I should sit down and clap for your wonderful diagnosis right? My clinical acumen tells me something is wrong somewhere. I don't even know why I'm wasting my time with this post.

Abeg, you don't need to school me on patient management. I have better , more qualified and more experienced people doing that already. Thanks for the effort.

LIBsucks:

I did specify Nigeria, didn't I?

armadeo:


Mr I like the logical way you present your arguments though i don't agree with you but this post above is a blatant lie. no fresh graduate of medicine can lecture in any medical school talk-less of being a senior lecturer.

Elythron16zero4: Quite laughable but what do you have to say when some doctors give wrong medication to patients from their faulty prognosis ; an error eh? just that single incidence you gave does not rubbish the pharmacist,with your ambiguous fallacy of "MOST PHARMACIST IN TEACHING HOSPITAL ARE NOT KNOWLEDGEABLE IN THEIR FIELD" I have seen doctors committing real blunders in the hospitals. methinks the idea of not being knowledgeable in a field also cut across doctors too.

Evergreen123:

my friend there are doctors who do residency and become a consultant in pharmacology and allied courses, stop disturbing me

Evergreen123:

my friend there are doctors who do residency and become a consultant in pharmacology and allied courses, stop disturbing me

Evergreen123:

my friend there are doctors who do residency and become a consultant in pharmacology and allied courses, stop disturbing me

Evergreen123:

help me out.
If they talk rubbish, we hire roadside ppl to do it, that's how doctors initiated the profession for them sef.
It still happens that way in private hospitals where all u need to be a nurse is ssce.

s!s! afrika:
see d people degrading nigeria health care. Employing ssce failures as 'nurses'. U knw dt is against d law yet ur proud to say it. U talk abt preventing encroaching into ur profession yet dat is wat u go abt doing by employing 'nurse titi'. I pity d ignorant clients, dey re getting wiser now tho

ACM10: Why are doctors on strike?
Of all rhetorical questions I’ve seen this has to be the most shallow. Such questions should only be asked in a land of sane people not in a nation where everything has gone awry. Sainthood is not by force. Why force doctors to be saints and perpetual onlookers in a nation where every one without exception are corrupt souls?

A majority of Nigerians don’t agree with doctors going on strike simply because they feel that by the nature of the doctors work he should trudge on even at his own peril. They talk about the Hippocratic oath to back this belief in doctors not having the fundamental human rights to seek an improvement of the profession they’ve chosen. Those who glibly speak of the Hippocratic oath do not even know the oath! They can neither recite the oath nor can they understand the history of the Hippocratic oath!

You see, the writer of that oath knew that the calling of the doctor was a sacred one. The doctor was seen as one standing between God and men. In fact the doctor was seen as only next to the priest! Today that is not the case. Today the doctor is seen as one among many other doctors which in itself is not a problem. The only problem being that everyone agrees that the doctor is not to be seen as he once used to be seen. But everyone seems to insist that he must abide by that same oath whether he is well treated or not. The challenge in such reasoning is that Hippocrates never knew a day would come when the doctor will be treated as the scum of the earth. He never envisaged that day would come when humans won’t value their doctors. That day has now come.

How Hippocrates must roll in his grave.

Dear Hippocrates I wish you were alive for your people have become endangered. The teaching hospitals where doctors are trained is now being asked to be headed by non-doctors who can’t train doctors.

Dear Hippocrates I wish you were alive. The government of the day doesn’t even protect its doctors. Doctors are harassed, beaten up, kidnapped and killed. No one bats a lid. The doctors then go on strike and everyone is up in arms against them.

Whose fault is it that the health sector is moribund in Nigeria? Ask the other health care professionals and they will tell you it is the doctors fault. O! Hippocrates. So it is the doctors fault that health professionals pose as doctors and treat patients daily. These patients are eventually rushed into hospitals with all sorts of complications and the Hippocratic doctor is asked to right all wrongs.

Whose fault is it that the health sector is moribund? Ask teachers why the education sector is comatose and they will tell you its the governments neglect. Ask even a Nigerian child why security is non existent and Nigerians will tell you its the governments fault. Ask why the Judiciary is no longer the last hope of the common man and you’ll be told the government is to blame. But ask why the health sector is hemorhhaging and the health professionals will tell you its the doctors fault!

So for some reason its not the government that’s responsible for problems in the health sector… Its the doctor! If there is no frame work for regulation of health practice in Nigeria… Its the doctor. If there is no one to check public office holders who travel out of Nigeria for treatment at taxpyers expense… Its the doctor. If other health professionals are performing surgeries, transfusing patients, misdiagnosing cases, posing as medical doctors all over Nigeria… Blame the doctor.

Now, the patients don’t know the difference between a medical doctor, a physiotherapy doctor, a pharmacy doctor, a nursing doctor , or a laboratory doctor, etc.

Now patients ask to see their hospital consultant and a Nursing consultant appears. They ask to see a their consultant and a pharmacy consultant appears. They ask to see a consultant and a Laboratory consultant appears.

O! Hippocrates. Is this the medical profession you made your hippocratic oath for? That oath should be revised. And if you think doctors shouldn’t be on strike sue them!

Copied from Usman Basir(National Association of Resident Doctors)

s!s! afrika:
I would expect u to be smarter. Pharmacology isn't pharmacy. And dat is wat he is trying to tell u. Same with others. Radiology isn't radiography. MLS isn't patHology or morbid anat. or what no. Pride,arrogance,insecurity,emptiness among others are d factors promoting/affecting call for relevance. Guess u will even stop universities now offering pharmacology as first degree since d all know all 'doctors' sppecialize in it. If pharmacy is all about rxcology how easy would life be? Saying all dis to enlighten whoever wants to and not call for relevance as u lots are doing. Many parameds are fulfiled just so u knw, same cnt be sed abt u guys. Aint hating, taaah, but arrogance on ignorance is appalling.

I would expect u to be smarter. Pharmacology isn't pharmacy. And dat is wat he is trying to tell u. Same with others. Radiology isn't radiography. MLS isn't patHology or morbid anat. or what no. Pride,arrogance,insecurity,emptiness among others are d factors promoting/affecting call for relevance. Guess u will even stop universities now offering pharmacology as first degree since d all know all 'doctors' sppecialize in it. If pharmacy is all about rxcology how easy would life be? Saying all dis to enlighten whoever wants to and not call for relevance as u lots are doing. Many parameds are fulfiled just so u knw, same cnt be sed abt u guys. Aint hating, taaah, but arrogance on ignorance is appalling.

I would expect u to be smarter. Pharmacology isn't pharmacy. And dat is wat he is trying to tell u. Same with others. Radiology isn't radiography. MLS isn't patHology or morbid anat. or what no. Pride,arrogance,insecurity,emptiness among others are d factors promoting/affecting call for relevance. Guess u will even stop universities now offering pharmacology as first degree since d all know all 'doctors' sppecialize in it. If pharmacy is all about rxcology how easy would life be? Saying all dis to enlighten whoever wants to and not call for relevance as u lots are doing. Many parameds are fulfiled just so u knw, same cnt be sed abt u guys. Aint hating, taaah, but arrogance on ignorance is appalling.

Evergreen123:

its not as if u people know more than them .
Most nurses can't explain the pathophysiology of wound healing or pharmacology of paracetamol.
All they know is administer it as the doctor said,
what makes u think u have an edge over those at the private Hosp?
U refuse to train yourselves academically and u want to be a consultant all because u have spent donkey years at the hospital.
Mtchew

YourHealthlabs:

A colleague in LUTH told me a story about mbbs fresh graduates clamouring to lecture Science students in idi-araba as Senior lecturers.

Their arguments was that since they are 'doctors' they are equal to PhD lecturers academically and should be appointed Senior lecturers without a single M.Sc.

They prolly thought that 2 Bachlelors' are greater than one M.Sc. I almost fell off my chair 'LOLing'.

Elythron16zero4: una really kno una worth but wen fasola trow way una. one wil tink u ppl wil just go home go stat una own job but u pple fot so hard to return especially sending all and sundry to help beg to return wen una see say fasho dont dey employ new doctors.ebi like say una no kno say plennnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnty doctors dey outside wey they find this una work and are willing to take less and even wok better dan u pple. pauper and hungry doctors. NA GEJ DEY LUK UNA FACE WEY HIM NO POSHU UNA COMMOT TAKE BETTER PPLE 4 WORK BUT HIM GO DEY FEAR LIKE LEAVE because OF 2015. rubbish and garbage doctors. IF GEJ GET SENSE LET HIM STOP THEIR SALARY WITH IMMEDIATE EFFECT AND CALL 4 FRESH RECRUITMENT HIM GO SEE AS HUNGER GO FINISH THEM.YEYE PPL

ceaser:

Or a patient whose serum potassium comes aout as elevated above the limit and is still walking by himself to the clinic. Laboratory results are guides. They buttress your working diagnosis and if you notice some unnatural or unrealistic contradiction between the result and the patient's state of health, heck, query that result and call for a repeat. Anyway the pathologists (doctors who specialize in the pathologic basis of disease, in case he doesn't know the meaning) do that already by ensuring quality control of results from the scientists before being churned out to the clinician.

phantomm: .........brother don't take this the wrong way but your Bmls + MSC still CANT match the MBBS. I have colleague who did his first degree in radiography, wasn't satisfied,went back to school and read medicine. he compares the experience to moving from just learning letters of the alphabet to learning machine/assembly programming.

s!s! afrika:
if dis is d trash u can come up with, I give up

YourHealthlabs:

Sorry, it's not the pathologist's Job to ensure quality control of results, there are processes that ensures quality control and quality assurance of results coming of a Scientist's bench and a Pathologist's scope doesn't cover that. If the control values fall within the L-J chart(if you know what this means) and all other factors/processes from pre-analytical to post-analytical are met, a Scientist can confidently append his signature on any result that comes of his hands. The pathologist's job is to consult with confused doctors on the meaning/comsequence of laboratory results as regards the patient's disease status. Many doctors don't know the meaning of certain laboratory results that's where the Pathologist comes in.

A PATHOLOGIST HAS NO BUSINESS IN QUALITY ASSURANCE, QUALITY CONTROL AND LABORATORY METHODOLOGY. HE WASN'T TRAINED AND EQUIPPED FOR THAT. LIKE THE OTHER CONSULTANTS IN CARDIOLOGY, O$G, HIS JOB IS PURELY CLINICAL--->CONSULTING WITH THE
OTHER DOCTOR(WHO MAY BE CONFUSED) ON THE CONSEQUENCES OF PATHOLOGY RESULTS.

For the records...

ACM10: Why are doctors on strike?
Of all rhetorical questions I’ve seen this has to be the most shallow. Such questions should only be asked in a land of sane people not in a nation where everything has gone awry. Sainthood is not by force. Why force doctors to be saints and perpetual onlookers in a nation where every one without exception are corrupt souls?

A majority of Nigerians don’t agree with doctors going on strike simply because they feel that by the nature of the doctors work he should trudge on even at his own peril. They talk about the Hippocratic oath to back this belief in doctors not having the fundamental human rights to seek an improvement of the profession they’ve chosen. Those who glibly speak of the Hippocratic oath do not even know the oath! They can neither recite the oath nor can they understand the history of the Hippocratic oath!

You see, the writer of that oath knew that the calling of the doctor was a sacred one. The doctor was seen as one standing between God and men. In fact the doctor was seen as only next to the priest! Today that is not the case. Today the doctor is seen as one among many other doctors which in itself is not a problem. The only problem being that everyone agrees that the doctor is not to be seen as he once used to be seen. But everyone seems to insist that he must abide by that same oath whether he is well treated or not. The challenge in such reasoning is that Hippocrates never knew a day would come when the doctor will be treated as the scum of the earth. He never envisaged that day would come when humans won’t value their doctors. That day has now come.

How Hippocrates must roll in his grave.

Dear Hippocrates I wish you were alive for your people have become endangered. The teaching hospitals where doctors are trained is now being asked to be headed by non-doctors who can’t train doctors.

Dear Hippocrates I wish you were alive. The government of the day doesn’t even protect its doctors. Doctors are harassed, beaten up, kidnapped and killed. No one bats a lid. The doctors then go on strike and everyone is up in arms against them.

Whose fault is it that the health sector is moribund in Nigeria? Ask the other health care professionals and they will tell you it is the doctors fault. O! Hippocrates. So it is the doctors fault that health professionals pose as doctors and treat patients daily. These patients are eventually rushed into hospitals with all sorts of complications and the Hippocratic doctor is asked to right all wrongs.

Whose fault is it that the health sector is moribund? Ask teachers why the education sector is comatose and they will tell you its the governments neglect. Ask even a Nigerian child why security is non existent and Nigerians will tell you its the governments fault. Ask why the Judiciary is no longer the last hope of the common man and you’ll be told the government is to blame. But ask why the health sector is hemorhhaging and the health professionals will tell you its the doctors fault!

So for some reason its not the government that’s responsible for problems in the health sector… Its the doctor! If there is no frame work for regulation of health practice in Nigeria… Its the doctor. If there is no one to check public office holders who travel out of Nigeria for treatment at taxpyers expense… Its the doctor. If other health professionals are performing surgeries, transfusing patients, misdiagnosing cases, posing as medical doctors all over Nigeria… Blame the doctor.

Now, the patients don’t know the difference between a medical doctor, a physiotherapy doctor, a pharmacy doctor, a nursing doctor , or a laboratory doctor, etc.

Now patients ask to see their hospital consultant and a Nursing consultant appears. They ask to see a their consultant and a pharmacy consultant appears. They ask to see a consultant and a Laboratory consultant appears.

O! Hippocrates. Is this the medical profession you made your hippocratic oath for? That oath should be revised. And if you think doctors shouldn’t be on strike sue them!

Copied from Usman Basir(National Association of Resident Doctors)

otokx: The only power lab technologists do is to lock the gate and run away with the key. Doctors in haematology, chemical pathology can do every single routine they can do and more. Its just that the doctors have other responsibilities in research and teaching of other doctors that it will be full hardy to be restricted to taking samples. The lab technologists now turn around to claim scientists that they are in charge of lab. During their last strike doctors took samples and ran tests for the critical patients in the wards. Guess what, the same lab tech came back to the hospital to try and lock the place and physically prevent the doctors from having access but it was not to be and reason prevailed. These lab tech remind me so much of ANAN and ICAN wahala where the only argument ANAN can say is we are recognized by law which is actually a decree smuggled in by the evil genius. Keep on quoting court cases Yourhealthlabs.

s!s! afrika:
I would expect u to be smarter. Pharmacology isn't pharmacy. And dat is wat he is trying to tell u. Same with others. Radiology isn't radiography. MLS isn't patHology or morbid anat. or what no. Pride,arrogance,insecurity,emptiness among others are d factors promoting/affecting call for relevance. Guess u will even stop universities now offering pharmacology as first degree since d all know all 'doctors' sppecialize in it. If pharmacy is all about rxcology how easy would life be? Saying all dis to enlighten whoever wants to and not call for relevance as u lots are doing. Many parameds are fulfiled just so u knw, same cnt be sed abt u guys. Aint hating, taaah, but arrogance on ignorance is appalling.