Co-enzymeA:


Have you also taken time to review the curriculum of the Pharmacy Schools? All those courses you mentioned they also take, so don't come here and start forming superiority. You prescribe drug because that is your duty as it is the duty of the pharmacist to ensure that what you prescribed is the right drug for the right patient. So why are you guys fighting tooth and nail to prevent him from becoming a specialist in that field? So that you can keep covering your asses when you kill people by prescribing wrong drugs or wasting patient's money?

Consultant is only an English term for a specialist in a field, and we have them in other fields that are not even medically related. I don't know why some educated "illiterates" would think it is only the prerogative of the Medical Doctors. I write with so much passion because some old consultant in a private practice who didn't see the need for a Pharmacist prescribed the wrong drug that eventually led to the demise of my Mum. Until Nigerians begin to sue and demand huge settlements from you guys like they do in Western Countries you'll not take other people serious.

to the best of my knowledge a prescription is given to the patient who then goes to the pharmacy to buy the drug. The dr signs the prescription. the pharmacist however can be uncomfortable with the dosage of the medication not the medication in it self and is duty bound to seek clarification if he feels so. without recourse to insults or know it all from both parties. (dr/pharm)

at bolded why do you want to be called a CONSULTANT for what you already are ( hospital based IMO), what extras are you as a pharmacist planning to do concerning patient care that deserves an upgrade to this title.

ps any links to the post graduate college of pharmacy for my perusal would be appreciated. we learn everyday!

armadeo:




LOL. Let me let you in on a little secret all corper docs earn less than what they earn has house officers. in most cases up to 60% reduction you can take that to the bank.

So if house officers are paid 100-150k then it shouldn't be lower as resident doctors. Pardon my ignorance here

Také this scenario, they bring in an emergency accident victim that has lost a lot of blood. Nd requires urgent blood transfusion, resident doctor admits the patient také blood samples and calls for the porter/messenger to také to the lab...... The messenger is no where to be found, will he say he's not interested, no he wont he then sends the already tired House Officer who has been busy all day to také d samples himself to the lab to group and crossmatch blood when d house officer gets there they refuse to release blood, claiming blood has almost finished the house officer then fights tooth and nail with them to collect a pint of blood which he runs to give d other doctor note that all these thing r not he's job bt that of the messenger bt if he doesnt do it, d patient will die then the relatives would say " a doctor refused to treat their son"

Why are some people taking sides here. Is it because you in the guilty-ship? I wonder who told some people that it is doctors that taught medical lab personnel their job? Or that it is medical doctors that teach doctors in the university? Same lecturers teach all medical students and most of the medical students offer same courses in the university. Nurses and others are also taught by experts in their school. Please stop feeding the public with the erroneous opinion that it is doctors who teach lab technicians, radiologist, nurses, pharmacologists, pharmacists their jobs. Is it because doctors in Nigeria have for long over stepped their boundaries? Where is it in the world practiced that doctors prescribe drugs for patients? Abeg, make all those taking sides be guided ooo!

armadeo:



I don't need to intimidate you, You are already intimidated. that's your problem not mine. medical student. go and read your books.

arrogant ignoramus!!!

During the last Nurses strike, medical students were drafted to také over the wards, they did all the nurses were supposed to do.
Change bedspreads, administer drugs, carry bedpans, name it d hospital ran very well


Even these lab pple u r talkin about self, most patients do not have money for the tests and they beg doctors to skip them. If a patients shows clinical signs of a disease i only confirm with a lab test not that i need it to make my diagnosis. And dt is if d patient has the money for it if not, i skip it

phantomm: they would rather die than have privatization. I want to know how pathcare is faring in luth. if privatization works,why not try it?

phantomm, pathcare has taken their jobs... patients with the dough prefer to go there because of fast results. meanwhile, the tribal chiefs in the health care sector who want to be called professionals sit around and point fingers at the doctor. i apologise profusely to patients when they complain about how they are treated and that it takes weeks to get results

eph12:
So if house officers are paid 100-150k then it shouldn't be lower as resident doctors. Pardon my ignorance here

sorry i don't get you, pls explain.

Ziondebade: Why are some people taking sides here. Is it because you in the guilty-ship? I wonder who told some people that it is doctors that taught medical lab personnel their job? Or that it is medical doctors that teach doctors in the university? Same lecturers teach all medical students and most of the medical students offer same courses in the university. Nurses and others are also taught by experts in their school. Please stop feeding the public with the erroneous opinion that it is doctors who teach lab technicians, radiologist, nurses, pharmacologists, pharmacists their jobs. Is it because doctors in Nigeria have for long over stepped their boundaries? Where is it in the world practiced that doctors prescribe drugs for patients? Abeg, make all those taking sides be guided ooo!

no further statements from you should be taken seriously

armadeo:


sorry i don't get you, pls explain.

How much do graduate doctor earn during housemanship?

@armadeo, the truth is bitter. It is only in your country that doctors think its their sole rite to administer prescription, while pharmacists are unimportant to them.

Ziondebade: @armadeo, the truth is bitter. It is only in your country that doctors think its their sole rite to administer prescription, while pharmacists are unimportant to them.

i dont know where you got this impression ... do you work as a pharmacist? we physicians prescribe drugs, pharmacists review, verify, discuss with physician if any confusion, compound, check for errors, quality control... dispense, they are professionals and are highly respected unlike some undergraduate quacks on this page forming that they know much. many work in pharmaceutical companies too, some produce lotions and methylated spirit used in some hospitals... and many are my good friends. what i dont get is what else do they want?

Omonoba1: arrogant ignoramus!!!

as i said before you are already intimidated,so you result to insults. we are not and can never be on the same page.

armadeo:


as i said before you are already intimidated,so you result to insults. we are not and can never be on the same page.

henceforth, you are ignored!! you can Go n ...

Ziondebade: @armadeo, the truth is bitter. It is only in your country that doctors think its their sole rite to administer prescription, while pharmacists are unimportant to them.

well in my country drs know what they where trained to do, You as a pharmacist ( am guessing ), wherever you are practicing are you telling me that you can just give every drug without a prescription. i can understand panadol and antimalarial ( in the Nigerian setting) but high dose steroids , chemo agents aren't just given over the counter. correct me if I am wrong.

Omonoba1: henceforth, you are ignored!! you can Go n ...

i could you know. A bus could knock me down, i could be struck by lightening many things could happen. as i could happen to me so could it to you but when the grim reaper comes calling who do you run to in attempts to keep him at bay?

Fraud like you. medical student my foot.


as i said before you are already intimidated, that's your problem not mine.

@Omonoba1, you are right jare. Some people are so baised in thier analysis. i wonder if there why they come here to argue blindly and insult people.Please ignore them

eph12:
How much do graduate doctor earn during housemanship?

Lol, how much do you earn? . There is a salary structure or is that what this is all about?. how much does an engineer with shell earn, or a bus driver with chisco motors, or a local govt "chaman" HO's earn what the laws of demand and supply give to them.

theexpected:

U begining to see reaosn with NMA ba? Why is JOHESU fighting to be CHIEF MEDICAL DiIRECTOR when they can be DIRECTOR of ADMINISTRATION?


Y leave their CHIEF NURSING OFFICER post to fight for someone else's

The thing is, doctors are busy, if not for the strike, i asure u no doctor would be on nairaland trading blames. These JOHESU guys do shifts, doctors do not

A nurse would do morning shift and go home a house officer will be in the hospital from morning till night running helter skelter doing d jobs of messengers and nurses because they are no where to be found and ur OGA CONSULTANT does not want to hear story.

The bolded is the reason why we are now enlightening the public. If not for this strike, the doctors would still continue doing their jobs while the shift workers after their shift would continue spreading the misinformation.

theexpected: During the last Nurses strike, medical students were drafted to také over the wards, they did all the nurses were supposed to do.
Change bedspreads, administer drugs, carry bedpans, name it d hospital ran very well


Even these lab pple u r talkin about self, most patients do not have money for the tests and they beg doctors to skip them. If a patients shows clinical signs of a disease i only confirm with a lab test not that i need it to make my diagnosis. And dt is if d patient has the money for it if not, i skip it

you my friend would have been in jail and your licence permanently revoked by now if ours was a sane society,you know it!

Joenz: you my friend would have been in jail and your licence permanently revoked by now if ours was a sane society,you know it!

as would you.

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as would you.[/quote)And you are?

bumfem:

I have noticed most of your posts are malnurished intelligently. U sound more like a student.

Physiotherapy remain one of the most satisfying profession in the world. CNN best jobs places the profession within the first five, 2011, 2012, 2013 back to back.
Years back it used to be second choice for many in universities for lack of adequate info about the profession. Today physio finds first choice of discipline for many obvious reasons. Home or abroad physio makes u a winner of all times.

I find it hard to see any relation between my reply to the guy and this your silly post.

The importance and relevance of Physiotherapy was never my interest,as that cannot be questioned.


My post laid more emphasis on a physiotherapist remaining and functioning as a physiotherapist and not seeking to be seen and treated as a Doctor, as that can only lead to confusion.

Joenz: you my friend would have been in jail and your licence permanently revoked by now if ours was a sane society,you know it!

u r so funny, kai being in jail, for what if i may ask, na wa ooh u r one of those pple that threaten everybody they have a disagreement with jail time, being in jail for saying medical students wre drafted to fill in for nurses when they went on strike...... U r tempting me but i refuse to yield to the use of insultive terms

armadeo:



Lol, how much do you earn? . There is a salary structure or is that what this is all about?. how much does an engineer with shell earn, or a bus driver with chisco motors, or a local govt "chaman" HO's earn what the laws of demand and supply give to them.

I thought the issue on ground is salary. Ok I can see its about preventing others from being consultants.

Johesu is soooooo pathetic! most of them are medical school drop outs.if they were the doctors,would they agree to other health professionals being CMDs? It will never happen! we will strike till it is reversed,let them take patients into the consulting rooms and theatres and diagnose and operate...I laugh.if they go on strike,let them watch us do laboratory invxs and dispense drugs.

[quote author=humnsik
[/quote]GOD BLESS U WITH UR WONDERFUL WRITE UP.U spoke my mind.our problem in nigeria is greed.i recalled when ASUU WENT ON STRIKE with their ridiculous demand, i posted then on nairaland that if their demand are met,i wont be surprised if NMA comes up with their own.it is high time we nigerians stop being taking for a ride by very corruptible and inefficient professional bodies.d rot in our hospitals and tertiary institutions is caused majorly by very corrupt personnels rather than goverment wc they often blame in other to cover up their lapses and inefficiencies

When a pretend doctor does an abortion for u and overscrapes ur womb, of course u r happy that u paid less, plus baby is gone.....then fast forward 10 yrs later and infertility sets in, u then go to d consultant gynaecologist expecting him to perform wonders, bt alas d uterine linig cant support a growing fetus due to the complications of d unsafe abortion...... D quack has long gone u cant trace him.........


Support their growth well ooh pls do

skippo: Johesu is soooooo pathetic! most of them are medical school drop outs.if they were the doctors,would they agree to other health professionals being CMDs? It will never happen! we will strike till it is reversed,let them take patients into the consulting rooms and theatres and diagnose and operate...I laugh.if they go on strike,let them watch us do laboratory invxs and dispense drugs.

U cant, nt bcuz u really cant bt because they would lock up the stores and pharmacy and také the keys home with them due to insecurity

Bt when doctors strike, they leave the consulting room and theatres open for anyone who wants to use it

theexpected:


u r so funny, kai being in jail, for what if i may ask, na wa ooh u r one of those pple that threaten everybody they have a disagreement with jail time, being in jail for saying medical students wre drafted to fill in for nurses when they went on strike...... U r tempting me but i refuse to yield to the use of insultive terms

Who cares abt wat some over-zealous brain-washed MB.BS students do?d issue shld b 'did d striking Nurses achieve their aim or not?'Now to y I qouted u,u feel its ethical and beneficial to treat based on some vital signs and history and u talk of qualitative healthcare delivery?Heck u dnt even try that in well-structured Nigerian clinics,my brother u won't dare!I just pity d masses @ d receiving end of dis whole imbroglio.

s!s! afrika:
u are soundiing hurt and pained. Take a chill pill. Laffing hard. And pls, go and operate a CT, MRI or even Xray. Make d films also. U can do d work of a radiographer shey? Even as house officers, nurses teach u how to set IV lines cos u blockheads arre too dumb to knw how to in ur entire 6yrs. Na me send u repeat? Spending 7 years aint mafault, u chose d route nd u must bear d brunt. And pls, go to d pharmacy and compound d extemporaneous preps. U can do a pharmacist work now? Empty tank

Now listen to your sorry arss again....did u make any sense? Repeat? We are talking about your failed state who would make you spend extra years in school as a result of incessant industrial actions. My dear I can only laugh at your ignoble standing. All we are saying is stop comparing yourselves to doctors. We are not and can never be on the same standard. If you so envy us...get a JAMB form again and go study medicine so you can see exactly how easy it is.

Stop all this inferiority complexes you are displaying to the world publicly. The truth is none of you guys can operate independent of the doctor....but we can do without you ARTISANS. So get a life!

Joenz: Who cares abt wat some over-zealous brain-washed MB.BS students do?d issue shld b 'did d striking Nurses achieve their aim or not?'Now to y I qouted u,u feel its ethical and beneficial to treat based on some vital signs and history and u talk of qualitative healthcare delivery?Heck u dnt even try that in well-structured Nigerian clinics,my brother u won't dare!I just pity d masses @ d receiving end of dis whole imbroglio.

U r still making me laugh, in nigeria nothing works, most patients do not have the money to do tests so therefore only basic tests are done in most instances most times medical students and doctors contribute money to pay for patient's test.

Do u even come in contact with patients if u do u'd know that majority are the lower class and are nt financially bouyant


Thats why as a doctor u must be well grounded to be sure enough to diagnose ur patient based on clinical findings, so that any test that can be skipped is skipped and only d neccessary ones are done




For instance if i feel a patient has anaemia from my clinical finding of paleness, i také a bld sample and send to the lab if the lab report says he is normal, nd im nt satisfied i order a repeat which in most instances turn out to be different from the former report.

Bt if i také d initial report and do nothing about it, and my patient runs into complications later, no one will listen to me when i give d excuse that "afterall, d lab report says he is alright"
I will be sanctioned. Thats y as a doctor u would make ur diagnosis even before involving any lab