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Facts All US Citizens Need to Know About Israel and Palestine

Posted on July 12, 2014 by Robert Barsocchini


■Gaza (along with the West Bank and East Jerusalem) is occupied Palestinian territory under international law, determined by the vast majority of the world, as well as the highest court in the world, the UN’s International Court of Justice. Gaza cannot commit aggression against Israel, since Israel is in constant and continual commission of illegal aggression against Palestine by occupying it (illegally and sadistically blockading it and frequently committing terrorism against its civilians, including by targeting them with chemical weapons provided by US taxpayers – see “Rain of Fire” by Human Rights Watch). As documented by Amnesty Int’l, Human Rights Watch, and many others, Israel intentionally targets and murders civilians, including children, en masse.
■Israel also kidnaps and tortures children, including by keeping them in outdoor cages, over night, in winter.
■But, even ignoring international law and that Gaza is under illegal Israeli occupation, Gaza did not initiate this current round of violence; Israel did:
■Western/US/Israeli propaganda says the violence started with the kidnapping and killing of three Israeli youths on June 12th. That is a lie:
■On May 20th, the Israeli government murdered 2 unarmed Palestinian teens, one on video, and wounded a third.
■The firing of pathetic scrap metal rockets from impoverished Gaza, which have killed no one, were in fact launched in response to earlier Israeli bombings, killings, assassinations, and arrests of Palestinians, including children.
■Since the year 2000, Israel has killed 1,500 Palestinian children, while Palestinians have killed 132 Israeli children. That means Israel has killed over 1,000% percent more Palestinian children than vice versa.
■As documented by the Washington DC based non-Profit, The Jerusalem Fund, Israel breaks far more ceasefires than Palestine – this includes firing of the Palestinian scrap metal rockets.
■For example, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, and many other human rights organizations reported that in Israel’s 2009 Gaza Massacre, Israel killed about 450 children, and it was Israel, they documented, that broke the ceasefire. (In that massacre, Israel killed overall from 1,400 to 7,000 Palestinians, almost all civilians, while 13 Israelis were killed, several from friendly fire.)
■According to a landmark, comprehensive study of all of Israel’s wars, by Zeev Maoz, Professor of Political Science at the University of California, Davis, former head of the Graduate School of Government and Policy and of the Jaffee Center for Strategic Studies at Tel Aviv University, and former academic director of the M.A. Program at the Israeli Defense Forces’ National Defense College:
■“. most of the wars in which Israel was involved were the result of deliberate Israeli aggressive design . None of these wars – with the possible exception of the 1948 War of independence – was what Israel refers to as Milhemet Ein Berah (war of necessity). They were all wars of choice . ” – Defending the Holy Land, pg. 35, (bold added)
■“I review a number of peace-related opportunities ranging from the Zionist-Hashemite collusion in 1947 through the collapse of the Oslo Process in 2000. In all those cases I find that Israeli decision makers – who had been willing to embark upon bold and daring military adventures – were extremely reluctant to make even the smallest concessions for peace . I also find in many cases Israel was engaged in systematic violations of agreements and tacit understandings between itself and its neighbors.” – Defending the Holy Land, pg. 40
■Israel has violated more UN resolutions than any other country. That includes Iraq under Hussein.
■Hamas is the government elected by Gaza in elections that Jimmy Carter (and many others) observed and said were completely fair and free. Israel constantly says Hamas uses human shields. But in Israel’s biggest massacre of Gaza, the one in 2009, all the human rights organizations, including Amnesty, HRW, and the jurist Richard Goldstone, found that Hamas DID NOT use human shields. On the contrary, Israel used human shields, which is a regular practice for Israel. Israel uses civilians as human shields.
■Israel forced Palestinian civilians to dig and lay naked in trenches around Israeli tanks. See here at 6:45.
■Goldstone Report:
■XIV. THE USE OF PALESTINIAN CIVILIANS AS HUMAN SHIELDS
■“The Mission received allegations that in two areas in north Gaza Israeli troops used Palestinian men as human shields… The Mission found the foregoing witnesses to be credible and reliable. It has no reason to doubt the veracity of their accounts and found that the different stories serve to support the allegation that Palestinians were used as human shields.”
■Noam Chomsky: “Hamas is regularly described as ‘Iranian-backed Hamas, which is dedicated to the destruction of Israel.’ One will be hard put to find something like ‘democratically elected Hamas, which has long been calling for a two-state settlement in accord with the international consensus’—blocked for over 30 years by the US and Israel. All true, but not a useful contribution to the Party Line, hence dispensable.”
■In the history of all rocket and mortar fire into Israel, 26 people, total, have been killed. And remember, Palestine breaks ceasefires far less often than Israel, as documented above.
■This number of 26 is in contrast to the minimum number of 1,400 people who were murdered by Israel in a single one of its terrorist atrocities, the 2009 Gaza Massacre.
■Noting that in the current massacre, zero Israelis and over 100 Palestinians have thus far been killed, and noting that Gaza is a concentration camp – Israel allows no one to enter or leave – Dan Sanchez gives a perfect description of the disparity in arms between the US/Israeli war machine and Palestinian scrap metal projectiles: “They [the Gazans] are like fish in a barrel, being blasted by a shotgun from above. It’s like some of the fish in the barrel pathetically spitting water at the gunman, and [US media calls] that a “shooting battle.”
■The rhetoric and tactics of Hamas and other groups resisting Israeli occupation and colonization can be brutal (though far less so than Israel). Propagandists try to attribute this to anti-Semitism, to distract from the fact that these groups are resisting having their country stolen and their people dispossessed and annihilated. Native American resistance to European colonizers was sometimes extremely brutal, as was their rhetoric, but everyone universally recognizes that this was not because of “anti-White-ism”, or “anti-European-ism”, but because they were having their land stolen and their people massacred, the same thing that Israel is doing to the Palestinians.
■Palestinians have the right under international law to resist occupation, ethnic cleansing, colonization, aggression, and annexation. Miko Peled, son of an Israeli general, recently stated that if Israel doesn’t Like rockets, they should decolonize Palestine. Dr. Norman Finkelstein notes that “The Palestinians have the right to use arms to resist an occupation . However, the fact that morally and legally they have that right doesn’t mean that it’s the most prudent strategy. In my opinion, a national Palestinian leadership committed to mobilizing nonviolent resistance can defeat the Israeli occupation if those of us living abroad lend support to it.”
■In 1948, the people who wanted to form a Jewish state carried out a massive terror and ethnic cleansing campaign against the occupants of Palestine, expelling about half of them (750,000) from their land and into concentrated areas (Gaza and West Bank). Israel has slowly continued colonizing even those areas, which were specifically reserved by the UN for Palestinians. Israel takes all the best land and resources, such as water. Here is a visualization of what has happened, and is currently happening with massive support from Obama:


■Obama requested more military aid for Israel than any president ever.
■Israeli settlement building in Palestine is a war crime under international law. Under Obama, Israeli settlement building is up over 130%.
■For about 40 years, there has been an international consensus that Israel must stop colonizing territory outside its 1967 borders. The consensus has been blocked by the United States, in isolation from the international community (much like the USA’s isolated, strong support for South African Apartheid). Every year there is a UN vote on the issue, and every year it goes about 165 to 2, the world against the US and Israel. This continues under Obama. All human rights groups support the consensus, as does Hamas, the Arab League, Iran, the Organization of the Islamic Conference… Virtually everyone, except the US and Israel. (More details on this page.)
■Palestinians are brutalized, repressed and impoverished by Israel. To get a quick visual understanding of the difference between Gaza and Israel, take a look at the images of people and cities being wantonly pummeled by Israeli terrorism when you search the word “Gaza“, and the images of opulence, wealth and luxury that come up when you search “Tel Aviv“.
■Israel has an illegal stash of hundreds of nuclear weapons.
■Israel, whose government intentionally targets, tortures, and murders civilians, including children, including with chemical weapons, and whose government uses Palestinian civilians as human shields, and whose government is the last entity on Earth carrying out old-style ethnic cleansing and colonization of foreign countries, is the single biggest recipient of US aid, at over three billion dollars a year and huge amounts of lethal weaponry such as attack helicopters and white phosphorous chemical explosives.
■To reiterate, Obama requested more military aid for Israel than any president ever. This is not because Obama and the USA love Jewish people. Obama was recently an accomplice in a literal neo-Nazi-led coup d’etat in Ukraine, and is currently fully supporting the junta-integrated Ukrainian government, which is staffed with several neo-Nazis in high ministries, and which uses neo-Nazi paramilitaries to carry out massacres (and possibly genocide) against people resistant to the junta. The actual reason the US supports Israel is discussed below.
■As Amnesty International has noted, all aid to Israel is illegal under international (and US) law, because Israel is a consistent violator of human rights.


Amnesty International also noted that Israel’s 2009 massacre of Gaza would not have been possible without the illegal funding (money and weapons) and support Israel gets from the USA.


This is also true of the current massacre Israel is committing in Gaza.


However, in a way, that is good news.


That means US citizens can STOP the massacres.


If we stop our money and weapons-flow to Israel, which is illegal anyway, we stop Israeli terrorism! All we have to do is stop committing a crime, and we will stop more crimes! That’s great news.


Here is a previous example of how this has worked: When the USA cut its funding for Indonesia’s genocide against East Timor, which the USA was funding almost exclusively, Indonesia was forced to stop and withdraw. All it took was cutting off our illegal flow of money and weapons to the criminals.


The same thing would happen if we cut our illegal funding for Israel’s genocides and acts of terrorism, ethnic cleansing, colonization, and annexation against Palestine.


But since the USA is an anti-democratic country, the only way to stop US plutocrats from using our money to fund Israeli terrorism is to force it through massive, non-violent pressure.


One way it happens is when it becomes too politically costly for the plutocracy to keep funding genocide and terror, meaning the costs of their illegal support outweigh the benefits, as in Indonesia. In that case, massive publicity and indigenous resistance accomplished the goal.


But Israel is the USA’s main imperial – and nuclear – base for controlling the Middle East, which US planners, in 1945, called the greatest material prize in world history, due to the oil and gas. Thus, it might require more, as in non-violently making our country into a democracy so that people control their own institutions and money, and thus the way we operate as a society and interact with the world.


Last note: To be clear, Israel is a legal state, but only within the borders allotted to it by the United Nations – the Pre-1967 borders, which existed before Israel started eating away, through terror, ethnic cleansing, colonization, and annexation, at the areas reserved by the United Nations for Palestinians, as well as areas of other countries, such as Syria (the Golan Heights).


Per international law, US domestic law, and common sense, Israel doesn’t deserve any support until it abandons isolationism and accepts that it can’t steal other people’s countries, and stops blockading and withdraws its soldiers and settlers, all there illegally, from those countries.


Israel is, militarily, the most powerful country in the Middle East, by far. Removing our support for the Israeli government (which we are legally required to do) will not put Israelis in danger. It will pressure the Israeli government to stop doing what endangers Israelis, which is committing aggressive acts against Israel’s neighbors.


If Israel ends its status as a consistent violator of human rights, decolonizes Palestine, and respects its neighbors, it could be a pleasure – and legal – to work with and support Israel.


Germany, Japan, and South Africa went from being the most reviled countries on Earth to being some of the most admired. Maybe Israel could undergo the same transformation, but not unless we, US citizens, help by ceasing to enable Israeli terrorism and war crimes by illegally supporting them.

Underground: Lol!
You have even debunked yourself without realizing it! Where on earth did you get this map from? A palestine state with arficial staright line borders? And why is the outline of the present state of Israel and Palestine showing within this map itself? Have you asked yourself that question? The map is so ridiculous it beggars belief!

I'll do you one. Why don't you log unto wikipedia where you would find accurate historical pictures of Palestine, not this fictional one which you have posted here... Here is the link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine

davidylan:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Jordan#Transjordan_Emirate

Jordan was originally a part of the british mandate of palestine... although of course all the maps are now redrawn to deliberately obfuscate this fact.

Underground:


Lol! U have attempted a tactically retreat.....No one is trying to obfuscate any fact except YOU with your attempt to merge a map of historical British ruled Palestine (Mandatory Palestine) with that of modern Jordan.

Now, that would explain the question I asked you earlier as to why you still have the outline of map of Palestine still highlighted within that map you posted which you claimed to be the original map of Palestine......Like I explained in my previous mail, these maps were carved out by the British and French with the Sykes–Picot Agreement...... The entire Middle East had no boundaries as they exist today prior to this agreement.........
You were caught out and now attempting to backtrack.......Oga, we all have access to historical books and the internet.....

You were right though by this statement: Jordan was part of the British Mandate for Palestine which I must stress was the name a legal instrument for a much larger region encompassing Jordan and even parts of modern day Iraq and Saudi Arabia NOT that Jordan was ever originally part of Palestine!!


The British Mandate for Palestine, or simply the Mandate for Palestine, was a legal commission for the administration of the territory that had formerly constituted the Ottoman Empire sanjaks of Nablus, Acre, the Southern portion of the Beirut Vilayet, and the Mutasarrifate of Jerusalem, prior to the Armistice of Mudros. The draft of the Mandate was formally confirmed by the Council of the League of Nations on 24 July 1922, amended via the 16 September 1922 Transjordan memorandum[1][2] and which came into effect on 29 September 1923[1] following the ratification of the Treaty of Lausanne.[3][4] The mandate ended at midnight on 14 May 1948.

davidylan:

As many have sussed out here already... you're really a noisy empty barrel. Look at the question you asked in the link provided above...

So if I borrow 2 people money, one person can refuse to pay me and tell me I am not serious about getting my money back because I am not asking the other person for my money, and that would make sense to you?

You asked that IN THE CONTEXT and IN RESPONSE to this that i said, again in the link provided above...

Not sure what was so difficult about the question really... if "palestinians" are seriously claiming they want their "land" back, why have they not also tried to take Jordan back from the Saudis?

When you asked the same "question" again here... this was my response...

The question above is in response to my initial question directed to those whining piteously (and brainlessly i might add) that the palestinian crisis is one of land... i asked a very simple question in return - if it was merely all about land, why would the "palestinians" be fighting Israel for a tiny sliver of land when Jordan (ruled by hashemite princes from Mecca) is sitting on over 75% of historic palestine? Afterall, prior to 1967, westbank arabs were "jordanian citizens".

Note how my response goes RIGHT BACK to the context of the argument being made in the link and CLEARLY addresses the issue. Your insistence on my answering an abstract question from you... seems to me more an attempt to avoid the REAL ISSUES and to play musical chairs with the facts. It is also a sleazy attempt to avoid answering the questions put to you...

all4naija:
I never said your view is completely skewed but skewed a BIT. I quote your previous post prior to my reply below.

The bold statement leave out something concerning the Hamas members who are using these 'people who have absolutely no power' as human shields. That is where your skewed view lies.

davidylan:
you didnt expect a politically correct charlatan with no clue of the facts to actually provide an objective insight did you? Is he equally as alarmed about hamas attacking innocent jewish kids, killing them and tossing their bodies into thrash cans?

Underground: Lol!
You have even debunked yourself without realizing it! Where on earth did you get this map from? A palestine state with arficial straight line borders? How so? And why is the outline of the present state of Israel and Palestine showing within this map itself? Have you asked yourself that question? The map is so ridiculous it beggars belief!

I'll do you one. Why don't you log unto wikipedia where you would find accurate historical pictures of Palestine, not this fictional one which you have posted here... Here is the link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine

Sagamite:

Did you watch the video I posted earlier that I said See mad people?

If not, I suggest you do asap. It is a 3 part series, so roughly 2 and the half hours.

Despite its length, I suggest you invest some time in watching it.

There you will find ISRAELIs (including the PM) admitting to their own crimes. Of soldiers stating instructions by IDF commanders telling them to shoot anything and kill everyone.

Then you would learn that Israel have choices that could limit the killing of innocent civilians while fighting HAMAS but just choose to apply collective punishment because some of them want to slaughter Palestinians and take their land while America (through the person Bush) signs it off.

Or you think it is because of HAMAS using people as human shield that Israel decides to flatten 4000 homes in Palestine?

WATCH the video.

https://www.nairaland.com/1804892/isreal-bombards-gaza-it-literally/18#24625669

Underground: How many of you even know that an original possible location to settle the Jewish people was in Africa? In Uganda to be precise!!

The Uganda Scheme was a plan in the early 1900s to give a portion of British East Africa to the Jewish people as a homeland. It drew support from prominent Zionist Theodor Herzl as a temporary means of refuge for Russian Jews facing antisemitism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda_Scheme

The Jews are living on occupied land...Kapish!

all4naija: Come on! I don't know where you are getting your information from But one thing is certain the Hamas group is to blamed for escalating the tension in this recent crisis in Gaza. Regarding your convoluted statement on collective punishment you would have to understand prevent the death of the innocent in such a situation can be very dangerous and risking the lives of the IDF in the hands of those Hamas member using the innocent as shield. It is easy to blame the Israelis but you failed to also view if from the perspective there is a risk to protect their lives. There is no way they can do it without losing innocent lives due to this silly terror group gorilla tactics. You just blame for blaming sake and put forth what seem to support your view in earnest to a video that is arguably non-confirmed. This is a region where any little misinformation can be used to support what is happening there.Israelis Defense Force and government have repeatedly said they would do their best to prevent human casualties, not what you are saying. If you have been involved in attack before and lost a loved one you would understand it's not a child-play. And, to handle terror group with lose-hand is not the right thing to do. They have no human feelings and the can do anything to achieve their aim.

My argument is that you are lopsided in your approach to this whole discussion. You continue to blame IDF without telling us about the other side , with some idea to the actions of Hamas. You aren't doing the right thing, my friend. No sensible person would buy into such ludicrous opinion. I would rather have views from both side to balance the argument than criticizing on side and crucifying the other for taking action to protect themselves.

What choices are you talking about? The government has repeatedly said they would do the needful by using ground incursion. That is going to put the IDF in harms way. I agree there is need for house-to-house search and it is very dangerous. That how much they are willing to take the risk to cut down on human casualties to their own detriment. If there is going to be a collective punishment it would be done from the air with continuous bombardment until the whole Gaza is destroy complete. That would be largely a crime on humanity. Which is very punishable.

You have chosen a side to support. That is not going to stop others from see there is something missing in some of your views. These are lopsidedness, expecting Israelis to risk their live for the people of Gaza and referencing misleading video as it is not confirmed or verified by a known body or organization.

Demainman1: Nobody has been able to answer a simple question among the HAMAS Palestine apologists. What would you like ISREAL to do?

A) Fold her hands and watch the crude bombs fall on her citizens?
B) Cry to UN?
C) Beg for Mercy from the Arabs Dominators?
D) Agree to be moved to UGANDA?
E) Just Kill all the JEWS once and for all so that the Arabs can live in peace in their 'land'?
F)
G)

We all know that the answer is none of the above. So give us your solutions please and stop this same line of they are killing women and children.

Women and children have always been victims of war so it is not surprising. It is the same in Iraq, Syria, Sudan, Congo etc.

Boko haram throws one bomb, 200 dead (including women and children), Nigeria Goverment does nothing.

Isreal drops 1,500 bombs, only 160 dead.

I personnally commend Israel for showing a great deal of restraint. The likes of Russia or China would not take that rubbish those HAMAS guys are dishing out I tell you. If that happens in China or Russia, HAMAS would have long become history(with many, many dead women, men and children), only to be read on the pages of newspapers and books

Demainman1: SAGAMITE, Omo Ale.

Motherfoka!

Ibnsultan: Israel commandos running like chickenshttp://edition.presstv.ir/mobile/detail.aspx?id=371209

Sagamite:

Blamed for the tension in the area by who?

The people that announced Hamas was responsible before and without any investigation or evidence provided?

all4naija:
Please, provide explanations what you mean than asking questions. The fact that you are now going about asking questions in the form of rhetoric is questionable in this whole argument. I am waiting to read your explanations regarding those two questions.

Thank you.

all4naija:
Please, provide explanations what you mean than asking questions. The fact that you are now going about asking questions in the form of rhetoric is questionable in this whole argument. I am waiting to read your explanations regarding those two questions.

Thank you.

Demainman1:

He doesn't have any explanation. he will just be going round and round like a tyre. 23-pages and counting yet the m0ron cannot answer one simple question.

Make boko haram fire dat sagamite mouth.

Demainman1: SAGAMAGGOT, god of FOOLS

Sagamite:

Oya, make I give you summary gists instead of toying with these ignorant boys while holding back knowledge and using it piecemeal to humiliate them.

At least you are open to learning and asked. And you know who to ask when you want facts.

The thing there in summary is that:

- Jewish people originated and have always existed in that area.
- Unfortunately for them, most of the kingdoms and states they created there in the old times were always defeated and they were conquered.
- Time after time, many rulers picked on them and they had to start migrating to stay alive. They migrated as far as Europe, the Caucuses and North Africa in the medieval times.
- They have not been a major force in the area for about 1,300 years before 1948. Only a few Jewish communities existed in Arabia, where they were left in peace as Muslims tend to leave people they dominate. But the largest communities of the Jews were in the Palestine area of Arabia.
- But their time in exodus was not fun as well as their new hosts also oppressed them. Afterall, they were seen (in strongly Christian nations) as the ones that killed Jesu Christi and also they were rootlessly entrepreneurial (anything for money mentality) and selfishly usually kept it within the family.
- During the 1300 years period, there were many pogroms in Europe and Jews were slaughtered by others, from Russians to Ukrainians to the Spanish etc, or sometimes they were all expelled like Ghana-must-go in places like England.
- Jews suffered.
- So someone took the lead in the late 1800s and tried to organise them, after 1300 years to all go back to Galilee, abi Canaan de ni (or is it Canaan). This is what the Jews call Aliyah.
- So that started the gradual migration back to the promise land which was being ruled by the Ottomans now. It was now a full Muslim-Arab place after hundreds of years, just like Sagamu is a full Ijebu land. No "Nna" can ever come claim say Chukwu promise them my land.
- Only few migrated in the late 1800s and early 1900s.
- But after WW1, the allied forces defeated the Ottoman Empire and then after sharing the bloods (Chei, Chei, Chei!), they shared the lands with UK getting Palestine. Dairisgodooo!
- By this time, many Jews were rich and connected in Europe because they owned the banks and many industries. Notably were the family they called Rothschild. Rothschild Bank still exists to this day and the family are still billionaires.
- One of the Rothschild negotiated with his contacts in the British Government in 1917, and the British Foreign Minister, Arthur Balfour, promised them that they would allow Jews migrate to Palestine and have a home there. This is what is known as the Balfour Declaration.
- This led to Jews around the world starting to migrate more to Palestine in the 1920s.
- The Arabs there were not consulted and after a while started complaining that too much Jews were coming in.
- They complained to the Authorities (British), who did not listen or most likely did not take it seriously and could not control the Jewish desire to come to the promise land, the Arabs started rebelling against the British.
- The British being powers obviously dealt with them but now took them seriously.
- The Jews kept coming in illegal despite the British now trying to control the migration.
- Then WW2 broke out and the long suffering Jews were slaughtered en masse by Heil Hitler. Drastically killed for existing.
- After the allied forces defeated Hitler and the Nazis and freed the Jews, the Jews now took the migration more seriously as they did not want to be exterminated from Earth. The British could not stop them as the World now had pity for the Jews after seeing the horror they suffered.
- They started doing the Aliyah "goin back, back, forth and forth" .
- So the Arabs said "ALLLLLLLLLAHU AKBAR, ALLLLLLLLLAHU AKBAR! No Jews must come here" and then stated roaming the streets slaughtering Jews at night in their new homes in Palestine or on the streets with the daggers for Allah.
- The Jews that just realised they were almost wiped out in gas chambers said "Lai, lai" (Never, Never) and started fighting back. The news of them being killed in the Holy Land even led to more migration as angry Jews joined the fight to avoid another massacre like Hitler did them.
- This led to the 1947-48 civil war. The British, kia kia, (quick quick) pack their bags and left the area to independence. They just fought a WW and faced economic ruin, they aint getting involved in this shyt.
- The Israelis won the war and seized more Arab lands, drove out the inhabitants they did not slaughter and made them refugees till this day. The UN got involved in negotiating the end of the war in 1948 and let Israel keep some land, while Palestine took the rest unhappily.
- Another war broke out in 1967 with Arab nations trying to help the Palestines gain their land back and drive the Infidel settlers into the sea but Israel defeated them in 6 days and even took the land of some of these Arab nations. But they gave it back years later.
- Since then Israel has overlorded over the area and locked the Palestines in a huge prison while some are still refugees without status in other Arab countries since 1948.
- Israel continues to bully them and even take more land despite the agreement made by the UN in 1948. These are what are known as illegal settlements.
- Palestinians continue to fight with the guerrilla warfare of sending bombs and suicide bombs to drive the infidels to the sea. Israel retaliates by committing atrocities of their own and then come and tell the world "We are civilised oppressors".

Demainman1: Now, Let me try and summarize this your report with the bolded
- So you agreed that the Jews were once inhabitants of that area but were always defeated by their arab neighbours hence most of them migrated outside the place.
- You also agreed that after roaming about the whole place and when condition was right they started flooding back to their home (What do they say about east or west home is the best again?)
- You also agreed that when they started trooping back their arabs neighbours were not happy and attempted to DOMINATE them again like the muslims always do.
- You now agreed that but now things are different. The jews are stronger and cannot only defend themselves but just like the elephant they still remember how these muslim neighbours dominated before and will never want that to happen again hence the constant wars.
Now my question to you @Sagamite is this;
If you were in their shoes what will you do? Will you allow your muslim neighbour to continue to dominate you in this current dispensation with the new knowledge that the MUSLIMS now not only want to dominate but they want you completely decimated!!
What would you do?
HOW DO YOU RELATE TO SOMEONE THAT LIKES TO DOMINATE? ALLOW HIM TO CONTINUE TO DOMINATE OR LET HIM KNOW THAT YOU ARE MAN ENOUGH TO SPEAK FOR YOURSELF?
Can any one of you HAMAS apologist answer the question? If you were israel how would you deal with HAMAS? Leave the land for them and move to UGANDA? The same land SAGAMAGGOT acknowledge that the jews originated and have always existed in

Demainman1: Your ability to comprehend is the bane of your problem. Show me where i made that statement you have been desperately trying to lob at me.
"I will kill the descendants of my ancestors enemies"?

Answer the question please.

What do you want Israel to do? move to UGANDA just as you have ran away from your fatherland and never to return?


One day na one day BNP will throw your decendants back to that Nigeria that you are running away. Hopefully boko haram will welcome them back with volleys of homemade rockets

Born throway!

Demainman1: ^^^^ I don't argue with fools like you. Answer the question or shut the fu-k up.