phantom: i am sorry you lost an uncle to what you deem an unfair and callous situation but please leave all emotions and sentiments aside and argue logically. pick a point or issue,lets trash it out. you are emotional and cant reason straight in that situation. many nigerians are like you.they have lost a relation to what they deem to be the doctors greed or wickedness BUT we are seeing just your side of the story. we dont have the other side so we cant blame no one. please calm down and be logical...

The day I lose my ability to become emotional about losing a loved one should probably be the day I die. This is the reason doctors shouldn't be going on strike. It shouldn't be heard of, it is the height of irresponsibility. Other means should be used by doctors expecially when the reason for strike is based on trivial issues.

If I had the means there should be a law that counts all deaths in a hospital during an industrial action as man slaughter on the doctors in charge.

Morotov1: No, it doesn't but apparently doctors faces more extensive academic reevaluation including professional evaluations more than others.
Check out the embargo NHS placed on the doctors produced from some Nigerian universities some time ago.
In US, you must pass the Education Commission of US medical licencing examination, enroll into a residency program before you can be licenced. Straight out of medical school without some years as an intern or completing a 3 year residency before licensing is no longer obtainable.
So a supposed doctor that made the comment that prompted these discourse won't find it easy working in such a clime.

Students and graduates of U.S. or Canadian medical school programs accredited by either the Liaison Committee on Medical Education (LCME) or Committee on Accreditation of Canadian Medical Schools, leading to the Doctor of Medicine (M.D.) degree, or by the American Osteopathic Association (AOA), leading to the Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine (D.O.) degree, register for Step 1 and Step 2 of the USMLE with the NBME. [b]Students and graduates of medical schools outside the United States or Canada register for Step 1 and Step 2 with the Educational Commission for Foreign Medical Graduates (ECFMG)[/b]Graduates of medical schools in and outside the United States and Canada register for Step 3 with the FSMB or with a medical licensing authority in the United States. Each of the three steps of the USMLE examination complements the other; no step stands alone in the assessment of readiness for medical licensure. The USMLE program recommends that for Step 3 eligibility, licensure authorities require the completion, or near completion, of at least one postgraduate training year in a program of graduate medical education accredited by the Accreditation Council on Graduate Medical Education (ACGME) or the American Osteopathic Association (AOA).

source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Medical_Licensing_Examination


pay attention to the bolded. doctors trained outside the US including british,australian and japanese doctors.

VirginFinder:

Look, a male nurse doesn't deserve to have a pEnIs!

How can you be enjoying the company of females in a 4-yr nursing course when your counterparts are burning the midnight candle studying a 6-yr medicine and surgery course?

After all said and done, they want to enjoy the benefits that comes with being a medical doctor.

They even want to be referred to as doctors! Damn!!

Males nurses are simply suffering from inferiority complex.

It's like comparing a soldier man to an officer.

No matter how many years of experience a nurse has amassed, a doctor fresh from medical school is her boss.

please stop passing rude comments about someone's choice of profession.

blink182: The day I lose my ability to become emotional about losing a loved one should probably be the day I die. This is the reason doctors shouldn't be going on strike. It shouldn't be heard of, it is the height of irresponsibility. Other means should be used by doctors expecially when the reason for strike is based on trivial issues.

If I had the means there should be a law that counts all deaths in a hospital during an industrial action as man slaughter on the doctors in charge.

i hope you know doctors go on strike in the UK you so love to point to as an example.
i hope you know israeli doctors ended a 5 month strike not too long ago
please advise us doctors,how do we handle a governemnt that is insincere? many of the reasons we are striking for now were signed by government last year.
do you know how many times we have shelved this strike?
the ASUU strike that lasted 6 months was for issues that were agreed on in 2009 and earlier.
please be objective. how do we handle a government that is notorious for not keeping agreements

Aura2:

forgive me to say that I am yet to see any para medical professional who has put logic and facts on the table since this unfortunate NMA strike.
What I see are a bunch of academically lazy bunch who are tired of taking orders from Oga doctors.

Their arguements range from what is obtainable abroad aka international best practices (forgetting that Nigerian problem behooves a Nigerian solution) to the fact that they are professionals in their own field hence deserve cosultancy, these positions are so lame that even a clueless president like ours will find it amusing.

Hitherto, the consultant doctor owns the patient, it simply means that he has the final say on the patient's treatment regime.

We run a doctors only cmd hospitals in Nigeria.

Now I want the paramedicals to base their arguements on the following points.

1 The UME and post UME cut off points for doctors and paramedicals for the last 10yrs, by schools with recognised college of medicine.

2 The curriculum of a doctor from part 1 to consultancy vs the other paramedicals.

3 from point 1 and 2 above, we can now decide whom the CMD cap fits.

I am tired of rants from academically inept bunch.

I'm sorry but you have still not made any point. To me, you're the one ranting here.

The healthcare system is an interdependent organization. No professional can perform adequately without the assistance of the others. So now, because some members of the healthcare system want to become specialists (consultants) in their respective fields, some greedy individuals decided to go on strike? How pathetic!

They are ranting and raving about the number of years they spent in the tertiary institution and how they read their brains out. So the others went to pick beans in the university, abi? Mind you, I believe them becoming specialists should require them furthering their education in other for them to meet certain standards.
I have a feeling these doctors are afraid of losing their position as the 'boss' of the hospital....
If we had Nurse Practioners (nurses who are trained and licensed to diagnose and treat both chronic and acute diseases, and prescribe drugs) in this part of the world, the hospitals would still be running quite well without the doctors.


One thing I know, if this 'evolution' doesn't happen now, it definately will later. So y'all can keep enjoying while it lasts..... And please, kindly call off the damn strike people are dying......

I have been reading the debate between the doctors and nurses for a while; I think the matters arising are both interesting and dangerous. Interesting from the point of view of political jargons that have been written to buttress each side arguments and dangerous from the point of view of numerous patients who are suffering and are bearing the brunt of the strike.
I am not a medical practitioner so I remain neutral in this argument. I have always believed that knowledge is holistic, it cannot be departmentalized. The depart mentality of knowledge is born out of necessity and that is why in field like economics, they always talk about division of labour , in essence, it not possible for a single individual to be a doctor, a nurse, a laboratory scientist etc. Because nobody is capable of having all knowledge, and no knowledge is superior to another, it then becomes inevitable to for everybody to respect what others know and you know not. That is what keeps a normal society running.
From the little I have gathered on the subject matter, the post of chief medical director as uphold in the constitution is meant for medical doctors. From my own point of view, one does need to be a medical expert but someone with good degree who has acquired ample experience in health industry to occupy the position and perform effectively. A good example is Dangote flour. Dagote might not know how to produce flour in detail, but sure know how to combine various factors of production together to achieve his aim. Such knowledge would have been acquired overs the years through his entrepreneurship. The same way a matron, or lab scientist with long years of service merit the post. Not all doctors are brilliant and not all nurses /pharmacists are mooron
I think what is causing the problems between doctors and nurses is that doctors don’t want change and change is the only thing that is permanent. They are somehow arrogant from my own perspective. If a nurse is appointed as a chief medical director at a point in time, s/he should be accorded due respect as demand by the position after all a money miss road that owns private hospitals do give them order which they abide. .
They the doctor should remember the oath of thier prossion and eschew personnal aggrandisement and greediness and go back to work for the
sake of the patients.

indian doctors are FOUR times more likely to be struck off than those trained in Britain

In the last five years, one in 1,000 British-trained doctors were struck off
During the same period, one in 250 Indian-trained doctors were struck off
About a third of doctors currently working in the UK were trained abroad
But 75% of those struck off between 2008 and 2013 were trained overseas

By Emma Innes

Published: 10:01 GMT, 6 May 2014 | Updated: 10:12 GMT, 6 May 2014

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Doctors working in Britain who received their training in India are four times more likely to be struck off than those who trained locally, figures have revealed.

The General Medical Council (GMC) statistics show that between 2008 and 2013, 117 Indian and Pakistani doctors were stuck off the medical register.

During the same time period, 142 doctors who trained in Britain were struck off.
Figures released by the General Medical Council show that between 2008 and 2013, 117 Indian and Pakistani doctors were stuck off the medical register - proportionally four times higher than those trained in Britain
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Figures released by the General Medical Council show that between 2008 and 2013, 117 Indian and Pakistani doctors were stuck off the medical register - proportionally four times higher than those trained in Britain

Proportionally, this means about one in 1,000 British-trained doctors were struck off, compared to one in 250 of those trained in India and one in 350 of those trained in Pakistan, The Daily Telegraph reports.

Currently, about a third of the doctors working in Britain received their training abroad, but 75 per cent of those who were struck off the medical register in 2013 were trained overseas.

Since 2008, 458 doctors in Britain have been struck off.


The largest proportion of these were trained in this country, followed by those trained in India, Pakistan, Egypt and Nigeria.

The figures have prompted concerns about the level of scrutiny overseas doctors are subjected to before being allowed to work in this country.

However, the British Association of Physicians of Indian Origin (BAPIO) says the figures do not reflect poorer medical training in India and Pakistan.
Currently, about a third of the doctors working in Britain received their training abroad


Instead, it says the statistics show that Indian doctors face discrimination when subjected to investigation by the GMC.

Dr Ramesh Mehta, president of BAPIO, told The Daily Telegraph: ‘Over the years we have repeatedly pointed out to the GMC that foreign doctors are treated harshly in disciplinary procedures.

‘It is ironic that on the one hand Indian doctors are being criticised and on the other hand they are being courted.’

Niall Dickson, Chief Executive of the General Medical Council, added: ‘We are here to protect the public and make sure that doctors who treat patients are safe to do so, regardless of where they have received their training.

‘These figures demonstrate that we will take action where doctors fall short of the standards we expect.

‘International medical graduates make a huge contribution to healthcare in the UK and the vast majority of them provide excellent care for their patients.

‘However, we know that doctors coming here from overseas can find it difficult to adapt to different cultural norms and it is certainly true that in the past not enough was done to support them when they first came to practise in this country.

‘More is now being done – we ourselves run a “welcome to UK practice” programme and all doctors coming here are now part of national system of regular checks.

‘We have also commissioned a major review of how we assess their knowledge and skills when they apply to join the UK register – the review will report later this year.’

Currently in the UK there are 150,000 doctors who have been trained in Britain.

There are also about 30,000 licensed doctors who trained in India and Pakistan.

source;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2621277/Indian-doctors-FOUR-times-likely-struck-trained-Britain.html


this is the article i think you are refering to but take note of the bolded.
the UK is a peculiar case.they struck of indian,nigerian and egyptian doctors due mainly to reasons NOT bordering on quality of overseas training

tohpahz: non medics dont understand that most nurses are simply
angry that a newly graduated doctor can just ORDER
them around even though they might have stayed in the
hospital before the young man/ woman entered medical
school


Doctors don't order nurses around... not in this century.. i know my work.,he knows his... it's all for the benefit of the patients.. please choose ur words carefully..

Thank you my friend. The issue has never been about who should diagnose or carry out surgery etc. These roles are known. We know what role each of these professionals play.
The matter is about who should be referd to as "consultant" and who leads the health industry and its union. That is what the matter is about. However people have twisted the matter with accusations and counter accusations of jealousy,finger pointing and envy.
It is shocking to see how this has degenerated to an entirely different matter here.
If the health industry is made up of professionals then should not these professionals have the right to head this industry based on experience,expertise and knowledge?
I am an Environmentalist and a HSE professional. Should I then say only those who studied pure Environmental Sciences or Environmental Engineering can head the NES? Or only an Environmental Chemist or Soil Mechanist carrying out tests in the lab can be refered to as a consultant?
They have forgotten where the issue started and have turned the matter into petty arguement.

hydeka: Awesome! I have said this before and I will say it again. Doctors have made themselves dictators in the healthcare system who think they can hold everybody to ransome because of their selfish demands which they want us to believe is in everyone's best interest. In the hospital they act as the lords even in cases outside their jurisdiction. They want to head every department in the hospital because they claim to know everything about patients, drugs, physiotherapy, nursing care and they go about dictating to everyone. They believe their opinion should be final. And now that the other members of the healthcare team are standing up to put an end to this anomaly, they resort to blackmailing the government and the people. That is professional tyranny at it's peak. All health practitioners are stakeholders in patient care so there is no reason why a particular group should resort to an autocratic approach in the administration of such a team. If they are all needed to ensure proper healthcare delivery, then they all should have equal say in matters affecting the team.

My dear, there is no country in the world where all health workers have equal say in patient management. It is just impossible. The doctor takes a central role, and it cannot be taken away from him. Every other health worker is there to assist the doctor, and only gets involved when the doctor needs him to.

I do not however support doctors abusing other health workers, but doctors are still central in health care and should lead the health team. No way can a lab scientist be equal to a doctor, and no way can nurses who simply nurse patients and execute doctors' management plan lead doctors in patient management.

For the writer above, u spent 5 years in school, with at least 3-4 months holiday yearly, and u claim u were taught everything doctors are taught, who spend 6 years in school with no more than 2weeks post-exam holiday per year. You must be a liar. That you were taught pathology doesn't mean you were taught everything, how much of surgery, paediatrics, O&G, internal medicine, public health, psychiatry, ORL, Ophthalmology etc were you taught?

Let's call a spade a spade. Nurses and their colleagues cannot head doctors, otherwise let the government privatize our hospitals.

Onlinebizexpert: all I see from this article is a pained NURSE who probably is trying to show us that he has better prowess in vocabulary than SENATOR PATRICK OBAHIAGBON


you are trying to address an issue by writing an article to both medics and non medics and all you do is to use medical jargons in all your statement so that readers of your article would see that you are equal or even better than a doctor.


since you claim that you got better grades than the student doctors in your time...why don't you just dress up and walk to the nearest hospital and start attending to patients since DOCTOR ARE DISPENSABLE and probably you have gone to more conferences than them

I am not against your views but I can see that your anger is not directed to the issue at hand but to some personal ego based grudges you have against doctors if not you would not have written the trash i just quoted

vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv


non medics dont understand that most nurses are simply angry that a newly graduated doctor can just ORDER them around even though they might have stayed in the hospital before the young man/ woman entered medical school

to be sincere in this war of power neither the DOCTORS' view nor the NURSES VIEW matters , what matters is the PATIENTS WELLBEING

i have gone to some hospitals where they claim that NURSES are now attending to patients, i stepped in without even being on doctors regalia all the patients ran away from the nurses so that they can get better care from a doctor

it is not about grammer or the amount of medical jargons you can speak, no matter your intelligence, your degree, qualification, money, where you read a NURSE CAN NEVER EVER USURP THE ROLE OF A DOCTOR WHO KNOWS HIS JOB WELL

so mr professor in nursing and midwivery, when you have developed extra balls enter the hospitals and take over the role of a doctor just for one day I believe you will understand that you would just be a QUALIFIED SERIAL KILLER


thanks and God bless you

GOD BLESS NIGERIA

GOD HELP THE PATIENTS

After such a beautiful writeup by this reasonable nurse,u cud only up with this crap. I know your.so sure u spent 14 years to get through with ur medical course.ur type calls ulcer an appendicitis ailment

sainty2k3:
That is what happen wen people neglect there work
Now doctors have learnt to do round alone without the nurses. We've been forced to do procedures by ourselves without their assistance despise being part of d job description

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_are_the_duties_of_a_nurse

Since it can be done alone and perfectly without any long term injury to patient...then continue doing your rounds.

phantom:
Students and graduates of U.S. or Canadian medical school programs accredited by either the Liaison Committee on Medical Education (LCME) or Committee on Accreditation of Canadian Medical Schools, leading to the Doctor of Medicine (M.D.) degree, or by the American Osteopathic Association (AOA), leading to the Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine (D.O.) degree, register for Step 1 and Step 2 of the USMLE with the NBME. [b]Students and graduates of medical schools outside the United States or Canada register for Step 1 and Step 2 with the Educational Commission for Foreign Medical Graduates (ECFMG)[/b]Graduates of medical schools in and outside the United States and Canada register for Step 3 with the FSMB or with a medical licensing authority in the United States. Each of the three steps of the USMLE examination complements the other; no step stands alone in the assessment of readiness for medical licensure. The USMLE program recommends that for Step 3 eligibility, licensure authorities require the completion, or near completion, of at least one postgraduate training year in a program of graduate medical education accredited by the Accreditation Council on Graduate Medical Education (ACGME) or the American Osteopathic Association (AOA).

source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Medical_Licensing_Examination


pay attention to the bolded. doctors trained outside the US including british,australian and japanese doctors.

Thought we talking about Nigerian doctors and I am aware of other foreign trained doctors taking the USMLE too.

Eldavido1:

I think I will like to have a source to what you just typed. Cause what I got from Google is a stake contrast.

"in an orderly system, the doctor examines with d nurse. draws findings sends patient for lab tests nd xrays.. sends symptoms nd lab test to d pharmacist who reviews it. nd. mks a prescription. which d nurse administer"

It's scary how she keeps bragging about her wrong assumptions. First it's pharms are allowed to prescribe. Now it's pharms are supposed to collect the results requested of by the docs, interpret such and then prescribe the drugs. Who knows what next she's gonna pull up, that pharms are supposed to perform the surgeries on patients? This is scary. I wonder if she's gonna submit herself to this outlined modalities or her loved ones for that matter. I just showed this to a nurse who was baffled and shocked at such utterances from a fellow nurse and what she concluded is the writer can't possibly be a nurse.

[quote author=plainmirror]OP you obviously said nothing except ranting and display of grammatic vibes.

Next time use simple and conventional english.[/quote

Oh my God!anoda wasted investement.foolish element

Onlinebizexpert: all I see from this article is a pained NURSE who probably is trying to show us that he has better prowess in vocabulary than SENATOR PATRICK OBAHIAGBON


you are trying to address an issue by writing an article to both medics and non medics and all you do is to use medical jargons in all your statement so that readers of your article would see that you are equal or even better than a doctor.


since you claim that you got better grades than the student doctors in your time...why don't you just dress up and walk to the nearest hospital and start attending to patients since DOCTOR ARE DISPENSABLE and probably you have gone to more conferences than them

I am not against your views but I can see that your anger is not directed to the issue at hand but to some personal ego based grudges you have against doctors if not you would not have written the trash i just quoted

vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv


non medics dont understand that most nurses are simply angry that a newly graduated doctor can just ORDER them around even though they might have stayed in the hospital before the young man/ woman entered medical school

to be sincere in this war of power neither the DOCTORS' view nor the NURSES VIEW matters , what matters is the PATIENTS WELLBEING

i have gone to some hospitals where they claim that NURSES are now attending to patients, i stepped in without even being on doctors regalia all the patients ran away from the nurses so that they can get better care from a doctor

it is not about grammer or the amount of medical jargons you can speak, no matter your intelligence, your degree, qualification, money, where you read a NURSE CAN NEVER EVER USURP THE ROLE OF A DOCTOR WHO KNOWS HIS JOB WELL

so mr professor in nursing and midwivery, when you have developed extra balls enter the hospitals and take over the role of a doctor just for one day I believe you will understand that you would just be a QUALIFIED SERIAL KILLER


thanks and God bless you

GOD BLESS NIGERIA

GOD HELP THE PATIENTS

Hello sir,how is it i read lack of comprehension on ur post here cos in what the Op had just written without being sentimental,he never assumed or tried usurping role that is not within his confine
What he posted was only meant to checkmate excesses of the so called doctors claiming the perpetual headship/ consultancy position of the health institution.i implore you and your likes to always view and address other peoples submissions next time on a broad angle so that every one would be informed rather than on sentiment and on aggressive note.thanks!

Morotov1: Thought we talking about Nigerian doctors and I am aware of other foreign trained doctors taking the USMLE too.

oga you tried to give the impression that nigerian doctors are retrained abroad BECAUSE of poor training here and i PUNCTURED THAT ARGUEMENT.if you have nothing better to say please lets move on.

tohpahz:

pharmacists dispense doesn't mean they cant prescribe.. their original job description before Nigerian bullshit altered it, is to prescribe.. please do tell me the difference between dispensing nd prescribing... 2. please tell me?/if a pharmacist normal work is to dispense nd dey studied drugs. y dd dey study drugs? to sit down nd b giving drugs... haba!!!

in an orderly system, the doctor examines with d nurse. draws findings sends patient for lab tests nd xrays.. sends symptoms nd lab test to d pharmacist who reviews it. nd. mks a prescription. which d nurse administer

Lord have mercy! Please modify some of the ignorant posts u have typed on this forum before your colleagues start bashing u. Chai....Please lord, may I not fall into the hands of a serial killer

phantom:

oga you tried to give the impression that nigerian doctors are retrained abroad BECAUSE of poor training here and i PUNCTURED THAT ARGUEMENT.if you have nothing better to say please lets move on.

You didn't.
USMLE is a prerequisite for license And so also internship and residency. If internship and residency aren't training then I withdraw my comment.

Morotov1: That shows you that your ability has been limited by law because the " paramedics " are already performing your duties.
No wonder Nigerian doctors are retrained and reexamined when they leave the shores of these countries.
I will find it offensive if I am called what I am not and since you failed to distinguished the different and subsequently take correction on who and who are paramedics, may I use these medium to extend my desire to and not to be quoted by you concerning this discourse. Thanks.

this is the quote i am tackling you on

please explain the bolded.
you are implying that nigerian doctors are the only ones retrained because our training here is poor if not what exactly do you mean.
please explain to me.maybe i have comprehension issues. please be kind enough to explain to me.

heykims: With all due respect,a medical doctor's line of duty can never be threatened by a nurse, what do nurses know?
A nurse is only there to carry out d plans documented by d doctor, their job is just to execute d doctors' order, so i don't see any threat to d line of profession of a magistrate who sentences by d prison officials who carries out d order.
As such, d little clinical experience re only derived when carrying out d docs' plan of management, so they then get to learn different lines of management of various health conditions from d docs' documentation, they av no formal training.
Nursing students ain't taught ow to examine patients nd neither do they acquire skills of diagnosing in school (who will even teach them when even d qualified nurses don't know it coz it isn't required to discharge their duties), so i then begin to wonder if it is even appropriate for nurses to establish coz they don't av d formal training to manage patients..
In fact it is funny nd i see it abnormal also coz once a nurse graduates from school wt a degree (Bnsc or so), she doesnt require any further education to get promotion to d highest nursing rank, she/he just sits carrying out docs' plan nd promotion keeps coming wt years spent. This is absurd..

oh! how unintelligent you are. If you read the piece the writer wrote up there, you wouldn't come here to write this nonsense. If you have done your research well, you would have come to terms with modern day reality as explained by the writer with best practises in advanced countries. your condition can be best described as hypo-exposure-induced myopia.

[quote author=StevenJay01][/quote]

You are the useless element here bro. As useless as 'P' in psychology.
Learn how to address pipo without sounding like an inseminated sadist.
Quote me to your peril.

like someone already stated, change is coming; other healthcare professionals in Nigeria will sooner or later be granted the right to reach the peak of their careers as is obtainable in saner climes, deservedly so and for THE GOOD OF THE PATIENTS. the NMA can delay this, but it will surely happen. you greedy selfish lots can enjoy the show for now.

adekayo1234: Lord have mercy! Please modify some of the ignorant posts u have typed on this forum before your colleagues start bashing u. Chai....Please lord, may I not fall into the hands of a serial killer

please do have a seat.. thanks

phantom:
this is the quote i am tackling you on

please explain the bolded.
you are implying that nigerian doctors are the only ones retrained because our training here is poor if not what exactly do you mean.
please explain to me.maybe i have comprehension issues. please be kind enough to explain to me.

You don't have comprehension issue only that you saw what you want to see to buttress your point.
No where in that post did I make a reference that only Nigerian trained doctors were retrained among others ....The training is not poor when compared to other third world countries but it is when compared to advanced countries.
Nigerian health professionals that practices outside these shores are indoctrinated on the medical jurisprudence, culture and practice of the country they are practicing in to prevent and shelve the Nigerian factor and mediocrity.

ignis: Are medical practitioners supposed to even embark on strike?
I thought the major driving force to the profession is passion to save lives.

Yes, they can strike.

People in the health sector are expected to have the passion to save other people's lives while they are at work.

Doctors on duty have a legal commitment to their patients based on their oaths. But you are not a Doc all the time. Other times, you are a mother, a friend, a daughter, etc.

So, when they are off duty or they are on strike, they are not bound by these legal responsibilities. They are citizens, just like you.

Or would you like it if you can't share your matrimonial bed at night with your "passionate" medical Doctor husband who is never around for you and your children.

For example, even the most passionate banker will not open vault for you when the bank has closed or the most passionate taxi driver will not take you anywhere when there is no fuel in his car.

Bottom line, no matter how much passion you have for your job, there are factors that sometimes make it impossible like Government policies, family, other competing responsibilities.

The Government is responsible for providing what it thinks is important for its people, and if our Government doesn't think an organized healthcare is important, then we are all in trouble.

elohorayodele:

Pls before you jump into a discussion and make funny conclusions try to ask questions so you get the whole picture. He did all the scans and tests possible at all hospitals. Reddington hospital bill was very hefty. He had muscular spasms resulting in severe Shoulder and back pain. Exact word used was alcoholic neuropathy due to depletion of Ca and some other key vitamins and minerals. Since he didn't suffer any injury affecting his bones, his muscles where the most likely culprit. This made the 2nd dr diagnose a muscle tear. He is not on any pain killers at the moment. If the injections worked he wouldn't have been looking for a 3rd hospital due to the pain. Nigerian trained doctors practice abroad just like Indian trained doctors practice in Nigeria and contrary to your claim he's licenced.

it is you that did not state your facts well, reading your previous post, you painted them like clueless, like if they didnt search. That is why doctors work in groups in teaching hospitals so that they can put heards together, nothing prevents doctors from referring to better specialists when the cause beats them. Sometimes the cause is never ever found and it is termed idiopathic.
myalgia (muscle pain) can result from a lot of things, even malaria can cause localised muscle ache. Alcoholism also leads to a lot of things... the guy probably had a prolonged hangover

Morotov1: You don't have comprehension issue only that you saw what you want to see to buttress your point.
No where in that post did I make a reference that only Nigerian trained doctors were retrained among others ....The training is not poor when compared to other third world countries but it is when compared to advanced countries.
Nigerian health professionals that practices outside these shores are indoctrinated on the medical jurisprudence, culture and practice of the country they are practicing in to prevent and shelve the Nigerian factor and mediocrity.

SMH.....you are incorrigible! you have spun a web around yourself and you are struggling to get out of it. you made an ill thought out comment and instead of you to acknowledge it you are stubbornly insisting on being right.

again look at your post:
Morotov1: That shows you that your ability has been limited by law because the " paramedics " are already performing your duties.
No wonder Nigerian doctors are retrained and reexamined when they leave the shores of these countries.
I will find it offensive if I am called what I am not and since you failed to distinguished the different and subsequently take correction on who and who are paramedics, may I use these medium to extend my desire to and not to be quoted by you concerning this discourse. Thanks.


my brother every graduate not trained in the US including british and australian doctors go through the same process a nigerian doctor will go through in the US. does it make their training poor

you also said ;"the training is not poor when compared to other thirld world countries but it is when compared to advanced countries"

my brother how is that possible when the americans put both the british and nigerian doctor through the same process for licensing

you also said ; "Nigerian health professionals that practices outside these shores are indoctrinated on the medical jurisprudence, culture and practice of the country they are practicing in to prevent and shelve the Nigerian factor and mediocrity"

oga arent british doctors in the US indoctrinated on jurisprudence,culture and practice too

you have no arguement. until you can prove to me that a british or australian doctor with their world class training is treated different from a nigerian in the US as regards USMLE, please refrain from making careless statements like that.

tohpahz:


please do have a seat.. thanks

u could have also asked me to remove my trousers so that u can inject me on my sciatic. Just admit when u make a mistake or keep shut if u have nothing sane to contribute. U are so fake!

The funny thing is that most of the medical students/doctors who are championing this debate here are those who paid money to get admitted in different forms. If there are 10 doctors/medical students here talking, especially those who are talking about sitting for JAMB, 8 of them didn't go through merit list. The doctors among them are likely those who spent extra years. The finest of doctors and students want you to experience them.

adekayo1234: u could have also asked me to remove my trousers so that u can inject me on my sciatic. Just admit when u make a mistake or keep shut if u have nothing sane to contribute. U are so fake!

u can as well do dat..id b pleased... m nuh. making a mistake.. u r just too blinded to see.. nd for d fakeness... yea i am fake... original people hv bin blinded so i prefer bin termed fake

agabaI23: The funny thing is that most of the medical students/doctors who are championing this debate here are those who paid money to get admitted in different forms. If there are 10 doctors/medical students here talking, especially those who are talking about sitting for JAMB, 8 of them didn't go through merit list. The doctors among them are likely those who spent extra years. The finest of doctors and students want you to experience them.

i wont deny the fact people get admitted to medicine after paying all sorts of outrageous amounts.it happened in my time(15years ago) and i believe its worse now. but you know the beautiful thing about medical training?? its structured like a funnel. a wide entry point for evry chidi,femi and ibrahim and a very very narrow exit........enough said!

Morotov1: Since it can be done alone and perfectly without any long term injury to patient...then continue doing your rounds.

Thanks we've been doing it, but why will people neglect their duty only to tussle with anoida man's own.
Is that in keeping with international nursing practice