zeb04: In response to some of the views here,our problem isn't feminism. The feminist goal has been continual push for equality before the law between men and women. It just happens to advocate more on the side of the women because in some part of the world, women are more oppressed than men.

A feminist does not want to propel women above men as that would result in the same injustice they are actually against but instead want men and women to be equal.

The main fight is equal standing which wil only come through legal standing and change of consciousness.

The feminist fight will only be over if each person regardless of race,gender,ability,is exactly who he or she wants to be.

To badmouth something as simple as these to prove a point irks of insecurities. Thank you

Tallesty1: Ok....... But the problem African men have is not these women that clamour for equality. My wife is not my slave, she is my body and deserves every respect. Our real problem is feminism. I know it may sound funny to hear that I'm in for equality but against feminism, I ll explain. The people that clamour for equality want the same opportunities as men. They want equal pay to men. They want to walk alone and feel safe, they want to have a say. These are the things they want and men are ok with them but feminism but feminism operates under the assumption that simply because women's roles were considered "submissive," that they alone should be freed from gender roles.
Feminists tend to want equality only when it benefits them.

When challenged feminists do say they believe in equal rights for men as well and then they continue to support a movement who's stated aim is the destruction of men and family. Many women do not know these, even some nigerian feminists on nairaland do not know it.

The people that started the movement in the late sixties were violent, bitter, emotionally damaged lesbians who hated men and that is why most them on nland hate men. Those who ask for equal rights do not hate men but feminists do.

These man hating lesbians have been telling lies about men and vilifying us for several years. They say 1 in 4 women will be raped in her lifetime and that is a lie. They used to say that women earned less than men for the same work, that was a lie. They say that men are more violent than women, that is a lie, they say that women are living in bondage, that is a lie, and some other crazy lies like that, the biggest lie feminists have always told is that they support equal rights for women and men. That is not true.

Feminism is so deceptive and I believe is from the pit of hell. God outlines the roles of women and men as different but equally as important. He created us different physically emotionally, etc and that is the way it shall always be.

lulu69: the west has been able to harmonise this conflict. Men have come to respect and understand the equality that women crave - at least on the home front.

cococandy:
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Tallesty1: Ok....... But the problem African men have is not these women that clamour for equality. My wife is not my slave, she is my body and deserves every respect. Our real problem is feminism. I know it may sound funny to hear that I'm in for equality but against feminism, I ll explain. The people that clamour for equality want the same opportunities as men. They want equal pay to men. They want to walk alone and feel safe, they want to have a say. These are the things they want and men are ok with them but feminism but feminism operates under the assumption that simply because women's roles were considered "submissive," that they alone should be freed from gender roles.
Feminists tend to want equality only when it benefits them.

When challenged feminists do say they believe in equal rights for men as well and then they continue to support a movement who's stated aim is the destruction of men and family. Many women do not know these, even some nigerian feminists on nairaland do not know it.

The people that started the movement in the late sixties were violent, bitter, emotionally damaged lesbians who hated men and that is why most them on nland hate men. Those who ask for equal rights do not hate men but feminists do.

These man hating lesbians have been telling lies about men and vilifying us for several years. They say 1 in 4 women will be raped in her lifetime and that is a lie. They used to say that women earned less than men for the same work, that was a lie. They say that men are more violent than women, that is a lie, they say that women are living in bondage, that is a lie, and some other crazy lies like that, the biggest lie feminists have always told is that they support equal rights for women and men. That is not true.

Feminism is so deceptive and I believe is from the pit of hell. God outlines the roles of women and men as different but equally as important. He created us different physically emotionally, etc and that is the way it shall always be.

UPDATE: all yo feminists on nland that have been given a lot of misinformation, for all yo angry people that are intoxicated with hatred, believing that maleness is synonymous with violence.

To all of yo who think you can teach men how to treat a lady when you yourselves do not know what being a lady is all about in the first place.

To all yo that would never consider doing some certain works/things because they are men's work but want EQUALITY

To all of yo who claim that women arrested for domestic violence must have acted in self-defense

You have this from me: I don't care for feminism and what it has become, every man on his own, but you need to know that the law of equality states that we are created equal so no more fringe benefits because you are a lady The law also states that we all should be treated as human beings and should be held equally accountable for our actions so playing victim cards won't help

Tallesty1: Ok....... But the problem African men have is not these women that clamour for equality. My wife is not my slave, she is my body and deserves every respect. Our real problem is feminism. I know it may sound funny to hear that I'm in for equality but against feminism, I ll explain. The people that clamour for equality want the same opportunities as men. They want equal pay to men. They want to walk alone and feel safe, they want to have a say. These are the things they want and men are ok with them but feminism but feminism operates under the assumption that simply because women's roles were considered "submissive," that they alone should be freed from gender roles.
Feminists tend to want equality only when it benefits them.

When challenged feminists do say they believe in equal rights for men as well and then they continue to support a movement who's stated aim is the destruction of men and family. Many women do not know these, even some nigerian feminists on nairaland do not know it.

The people that started the movement in the late sixties were violent, bitter, emotionally damaged lesbians who hated men and that is why most them on nland hate men. Those who ask for equal rights do not hate men but feminists do.

These man hating lesbians have been telling lies about men and vilifying us for several years. They say 1 in 4 women will be raped in her lifetime and that is a lie. They used to say that women earned less than men for the same work, that was a lie. They say that men are more violent than women, that is a lie, they say that women are living in bondage, that is a lie, and some other crazy lies like that, the biggest lie feminists have always told is that they support equal rights for women and men. That is not true.

Feminism is so deceptive and I believe is from the pit of hell. God outlines the roles of women and men as different but equally as important. He created us different physically emotionally, etc and that is the way it shall always be.

UPDATE: all yo feminists on nland that have been given a lot of misinformation, for all yo angry people that are intoxicated with hatred, believing that maleness is synonymous with violence.

To all of yo who think you can teach men how to treat a lady when you yourselves do not know what being a lady is all about in the first place.

To all yo that would never consider doing some certain works/things because they are men's work but want EQUALITY

To all of yo who claim that women arrested for domestic violence must have acted in self-defense

You have this from me: I don't care for feminism and what it has become, every man on his own, but you need to know that the law of equality states that we are created equal so no more fringe benefits because you are a lady The law also states that we all should be treated as human beings and should be held equally accountable for our actions so playing victim cards won't help

crackhaus:
Unknown to you, your replies even give more meaning to my original thought pattern because:
- You have agreed that equality was never about marriage and should not be used as a criteria in any marital duty between man and wife.
- You have also agreed that it is African women (Okay maybe not all) who have made equality about marriage.

not unknown to me. I've always said equality isn't about marriage. But over sabis say I champion a cause I know nothing about.

As for the bride price thing, who told you 'many' women would fight to abolish the payment of bride prices on their heads for marriage? You can't possibly believe that... don't make me laugh.

you're not a woman. You don't know what we talk about in our girlie moments

You also said the bride price is not paid to her but to her father or kinsmen, well that also proves my point for me because when I want to buy a brand new car, I won't pay directly to the car? Would I?
Of course it's the fathers or kinsmen that collect the price because a woman's father owns her and is thereby relinquishing in totality or partiality the ownership of his daughter to his new son-in-law.

which proves my point that men are 70percent responsible for propagating the idea that women are to be owned. Repent. Repent. Repent.!!!

That said, the mentality you talked about is not the fault of men....it is normal with everyone including women that when they exchange a token (money or goods) for something else, this thing becomes theirs...
I'm not calling African wives property, but it will be pretense to not accept a claim or right of ownership over someone you paid for.

and you've still not repented. So bride price is payment for your wife? Interesting.

As for promiscuity, you and I both know that men will always be given a free pass...it's not only an African thing, it happens everywhere.
Using the cloak of equality to suggest that men should be educated early in life to not be promiscuous, or that women should not be looked down on by society if they're promiscuous is impossible and has nothing to do with equality.

impossible you say? Very well then. What that means is that the result of that mindset will keep staring yous in the face everyday. Men aren't more than women in number. So the higher the number of promiscuous men,the higher the number of promiscuous women.
Because unless the men sleep with themselves or with lower animals,I don't see any other way around this. You guys better get real.

That said. Many women get free pass in many societies for being promiscuous. So I hope you know it's not as impossible as you think




Equality started as a fight for equal economic standing and so it must remain, bringing it in to include how promiscuity is viewed in men versus women is COMPETITION...simple.

like I said. Trivial. I for one I'm not bothered about that. And in the face of bigger challenges that we have I don't see how this is even an important issue.

But the competition is already there. And you guys should deal with it


And yes don't get it twisted, it is African women who started making equality about how to run households

false. Both men and women are guilty of making it about role reversal.
Men:
We are equals so bring half the bills
Women:
We are equals so help with house chores.

Africans be losing sight of important things in pursuits of shadows since 1754 .


...the men only played along.
It wasn't men who made it about marriage and as you have rightly agreed, equality was and never should be about marriage...neither should it be about promiscuity or any other thing that is not related to economic, political, or societal structures
like I said,if two people can't work out a fair living arrangement,they shouldn't get married. If they do,they shouldn't blame equality for their failures(espeically the men)
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zeb04: In response to some of the views here,our problem isn't feminism. The feminist goal has been continual push for equality before the law between men and women. It just happens to advocate more on the side of the women because in some part of the world, women are more oppressed than men.

A feminist does not want to propel women above men as that would result in the same injustice they are actually against but instead want men and women to be equal.

The main fight is equal standing which wil only come through legal standing and change of consciousness.

The feminist fight will only be over if each person regardless of race,gender,ability,is exactly who he or she wants to be.

To badmouth something as simple as these to prove a point irks of insecurities. Thank you

zeb04: The feminist fight will only be over if each person regardless of race,gender,ability,is exactly who he or she wants to be.

Horlawoomey: Every Feminist is an Atheist, cos you can't hold the believe that is contrary to God's decree and think you believe in God. . . .

tatiana009:

I was simply correcting the impression you gave earlier which made it seem as if women paying half the bills would be a new thing. It's not in all homes that it's just a phase, there are homes where from the beginning the wife earns more and takes care of a higher percentage of the bills and it remains like that. As for the topic, this issue has been over flogged, the dynamics of every marriage is different so let each couple decide on how they want to run things. If you're a woman who believes in equality simply marry a man who believes in the same ad vice versa.

cococandy:
not unknown to me. I've always said equality
isn't about marriage. But over sabis say I
champion a cause I know nothing about.

you're not a woman. You don't know what we
talk about in our girlie moments

which proves my point that men are 70percent
responsible for propagating the idea that women
are to be owned. Repent. Repent. Repent.!!!

and you've still not repented. So bride price is
payment for your wife? Interesting.

impossible you say? Very well then. What that
means is that the result of that mindset will keep
staring yous in the face everyday. Men aren't
more than women in number. So the higher the
number of promiscuous men,the higher the
number of promiscuous women.
Because unless the men sleep with themselves or
with lower animals,I don't see any other way
around this. You guys better get real.

That said. Many women get free pass in many
societies for being promiscuous. So I hope you
know it's not as impossible as you think

like I said. Trivial. I for one I'm not bothered
about that. And in the face of bigger challenges
that we have I don't see how this is even an
important issue.

But the competition is already there. And you
guys should deal with it

false. Both men and women are guilty of making
it about role reversal.
Men:
We are equals so bring half the bills
Women:
We are equals so help with house chores.

Africans be losing sight of important things in
pursuits of shadows since 1754

like I said,if two people can't work out a fair
living arrangement,they shouldn't get married. If
they do,they shouldn't blame equality for their
failures(espeically the men)
.

zeb04: In response to some of the views here,our problem isn't feminism. The feminist goal has been continual push for equality before the law between men and women. It just happens to advocate more on the side of the women because in some part of the world, women are more oppressed than men.

A feminist does not want to propel women above men as that would result in the same injustice they are actually against but instead want men and women to be equal.

The main fight is equal standing which wil only come through legal standing and change of consciousness.

The feminist fight will only be over if each person regardless of race,gender,ability,is exactly who he or she wants to be.

To badmouth something as simple as these to prove a point irks of insecurities. Thank you

crackhaus:
Good...it is not about marriage, tell your comrades.


Really? So women talk about it, and then what?

Have any of you gone to your town council, or local government headquarters, or to your representatives in the Senate and lower house to lay a complaint about abolishing or ending the payment of bride price and other duties on your heads before marriage?

So you women talk about it, what have you people done about it to effect the change?

Doesn't that mean y'all are not serious with that discussion and it is just pure chit chat?

Hold a rally, protest, go to your representatives in the upper and lowers chambers of legislature to move a motion on your behalf...it's not by talking about it.
Don't make me laugh jor.

at least on the family level,many women are matching men penny for penny everything that goes into the wedding preparation. So that point is moot



Are we the ones in this century that started it? Men are propagating the idea..True, but the men who started it are our great grandfathers and grandfathers, so women can start with their own fathers by making sure nothing is paid on their behalf before marriage.

Problem solved.
funny. Do you know how many fathers insist on collecting bride price for their daughters? If you think the will of a daughter can automatically superceed that of her father,you're not being real. So blame the daughter for the sins of her father? Yea right.

Lorretta, what do you do with money? Na wah oo...

This is just Economic 101, what is the purpose of money? What is the law behind exchange (money or goods) as related to ownership?


you do know that after the exchange of gifts,the bride is required by my own culture to take with her gifts to the man's family too. Has she bought him then? Be serious J.

Exactly, this is the mindset I'm talking about...competitiveness!

If women are more in number to men, and men are promiscuous...this means one man has at least 2/3 women to himself.
So how does 2/3 women servicing one man translate into your 'more men = more women {promiscuity}'?

so since men are not more than women,therefore women must be more than men. . Just read that issue up. It's already over flogged. Women aren't more than men either. Which is what I meant earlier BTW.
Was typing fast. Anyway are you stylishly endorsing promiscuity in men? Are you even remotely saying it is understandable?
Anyway, this is irrelevant.


It is not trivial and you should be against competitiveness in marriage.
It is partly the cause of many misunderstandings in modern day marriages.

I'm against competitiveness in marriage. It has no place in marriage.
Unless the two people are competing for the award of who's more loving and caring then I endorse


One situation led to the other, and if you're not biased you should know which led to the other.

pfft


Exactly, unfortunately it's women who enter into marriage with the hope that the man they love will change.
You hardly see a man who notices a peculiar attitude he does not like in a woman, and still marries her.
conjectures. Did you do a research to verify this claim?.

NickiRoman: ..As in ehn...it's getting boring