TerryCarr:
did you even see my comment? hamas is no freedom fighter.

datribune:


Think & stop swallowing hook line & sinker d propaganda of d powerful zionist lobby & their western collaborators. That's what what they said about d ANC of south africa when they were fighting apartheid. Mandela was labelled a terrorist & was on d USA's terror watch till year 2008. d Palestinian struggle is about militants resisting d illegal occupation of their land by extremist zionists. It is about a people's resistance to an illegal land grab by d nation of Israel & not a conflict by religious terrorists.

datribune:




U sound exactly like d Israeli propaganda machine. In one breath u say u ar happy dat I understand dat a two state agreement is d best solution & in d next breath u suggest dat Israel should reject d 2 state solution 4 fear of Palestinians teaming up wit other Arabs 2 fight dem. dis exactly has been d tactics of d Israeli lobby. d powerful Israeli propaganda continues to deceive d gullible to believe their lies of a commitment to a 2 state solution while d truth is dat they don't want it & continue to build settlements on d lands of d future nation of Palestine. It is not rocket science to understand dat wit d continued building of settlements, there can be no 2 state solution. Even Israel's greatest ally d USA is frustrated by Israeli intransigence - Obama : Israeli settlement building not constructive to peace ... U say Palestinians do not want a 2 state solution. What then has d Palestinian authority been discussing at d peace talks?. It is painful watching d kind of indignities suffered by moderates like Mahmud Abass in their search 4 peace wit an insincere partner like zionist Israel. don't get it twisted d Palestinian struggle is not like islamic terrorists terrorising d state of israel. It is about militants resisting d illegal occupation of their land. It is naive & unfair to compare d Palestinian struggle wit d BH senseless carnage. Pls be clear. d Palestinian struggle is about an illegal land grab by zionists not a conflict by religious terrorists. Natanyahu in his usual style declared an insincere ceasefire knowing hamas will reject it because it
was based on d status-quo without making any concessions, not even to open up d human prison by relaxation of d borders &
crossings. Israel is d real terrorist.

TerryCarr:
i don't recall the ANC shooting missiles at Johannesburg anyway they are Muslim of course it's religious

datribune:


Just as hamas has an armed wing fighting d zionist occupiers, d ANC had an armed wing , Umkhonto we Sizwe, (MK) - "Spear of the Nation" fighting d apartheid oppressors. d Palestinian struggle is a just struggle against a criminal, racist & zionist nation which is worse than apartheid south africa.

TerryCarr:
they don't want a two state solution they want all of it

all4naija: It is a lie! The Israelis are entitled to that land as much as the Palestinians. That is a fact!

datribune:

U say Palestinians do not want a 2 state solution. What then has d Palestinian authority been discussing at d peace talks?. It is painful watching d kind of indignities suffered by
moderates like Mahmud Abass in their search 4 peace wit an insincere partner like zionist
Israel which continues to frustrate d 2 state solution by continuing d building of settlements on d lands of d future nation of Palestine. It is not rocket science to understand dat wit d continued building of settlements, there can be no 2 state solution

TerryCarr:
Hamas doesn't

Mee234:
The jews are not the ones giving christains ultimatum to leave or get kill. Islam totalitarian tendecies tends to leave non muslims with nothing but hatred. For some people, anything that remotely give or try to put a stop to the madness some muslims call jihad is welcome

Movingcoil: educated as per d muslim perspective? hell no, i'll remain a stark illiterate if that is the kind of education u meant. Am talking from what we are seeing, something that is so glaring, ur violent religion has no equal in causing chaos. How come muslims are liers and deny at the slightest glimpse.. U guys are very disgusting when u start showing ur selfishness. Hope you heard of how some muslims are forcing out some christians in iraq except they convert, that is why the world is scared of u guys, cos u guys are salvages and barbarians, how come if i don't have same ideology with u den u mark me for death, dat is wat israel is avoiding and God won't allow that also.

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And also don't dare wish me any ramadan anything cos itz like dipping me in a corrosive venom.

Empiree:

it's okay if u don't want Ramadan blessing . The day zionists go to hell, they will take u down with them. Baby blood suckers!

Delafruita: this isnt about what hamas is or isnt designated as.this is about isreal's insistence on encroaching into palestinean territory and using its allies to block palestine's bid for statehood.isreal insists it has withdrawn from palestine territory yet continues with its blockade.by the way,blockade is the new,refined term.it used to be intifada which it still is in action but not in name.obama has continued to re-echo that isreal has to agree to a two-state solution.give the palestines their darn country.egypt has been bought over with billions of dollars in aid.the camp david accord was supposed to broker peace and not make egypt a little puppy before isreal.its unfortunate sadat died and mubarak only cared about money and power.

The palestinians did almost everything asked of them.whenever a peace offering is brokered,they are always there.they were in oslo,arafat held a couple meetings with various isreali PMs,ehud refused to sign the final agreement in 99 and worse still leaked details of what the palestineans conceeded to the press thus embarassing arafat and Assad.

Isreal again decided not to elongate the moratarium on construction in the west bank in 2010 despite pleas from obama,the UN and even the entire world.

Have we so easily forgotten how isreal shelled innocent women and children with phosphorus bombs in january of 2010?how over 2500 people died?

Isreal is the aggressor here.palestine wants a state,give it to them

jpphilips:


wales, Scotland, Crimea, Fuji, Faulkland, Tibet, Biafra all have statehood I guess? lemme me be clear you descendants of an Incompetent administration, in world politics, it is not the amount of tears that gives you power, it is your alliance and sphere of influence that brings victory to the table. If It was by Tears, Biafra would have been a republic after all, we had kwashiokor sympathy to show for it.
Who would believe that two world powers (Russia and China) could stand Gidigba!! behind Assad?
That is what a robust foreign policy keeps on the table, tears cannot guarantee such.

onitshaigbo: I'm so proud of my country Israel! Biafra will also rise and prosper in a region surrounded by enemies.

Delafruita: this post reeks of ignorance not only of basic history but of international politics.[/b]the [b]isreal-palestine dispute is completely different from all those you listed.all those wanted to leave a union to stand alone.palestine was never part of isreal.infact palestine has never been part of any country.jordan first annexed the westbank from it in 48' claiming it was keeping it in trust till isreal seized it in 67'.isreal got its nation in 48' with its boundaries carved out.it refused the palestineans citizenship which they didnt want in the first place.many migrated to jordan where they received residence cards and eventual citizenship.others remained in palestine in hopes of a state.you see,all these problems were caused by the british.right from 1922 when they promised to divide the ottoman into jordan and palestine till 1946 when the carved out transjordan and then 1948 when they decided to give the palestinean lands to isreali "returnees".the palestinians have spent 7decades been stateless,oppressed,maimed and you expect them to rejoice?

jpphilips:
wales, Scotland, Crimea, Fuji, Faulkland, Tibet, Biafra all have statehood I guess? lemme me be clear you descendants of an Incompetent administration, in world politics, it is not the amount of tears that gives you power, it is your alliance and sphere of influence that brings victory to the table. If It was by Tears, Biafra would have been a republic after all, we had kwashiokor sympathy to show for it.
Who would believe that two world powers (Russia and China) could stand Gidigba!! behind Assad?
That is what a robust foreign policy keeps on the table, tears cannot guarantee such.

Ancestral origins
Like the Lebanese, Syrians, Egyptians, Maghrebis, and most other people today commonly called Arabs, the Palestinians are an Arab people in linguistic and cultural affiliation. Since the Islamic conquest in the 7th century, Palestine, a then Hellenized location, came under the influence of an Arabic-speaking Kurdish Muslim dynasty known as the Ayyubids, whose culture and language through the process of Arabization was adopted by the people of Palestine.[16] Genetic research studies suggests that some or perhaps most of the present-day Palestinians have roots that go back to before the 7th century, maybe even ancient inhabitants of the area.

Samaritan descent in Nablus
Much of the local Palestinian population in Nablus is believed to be descended from Samaritans who converted to Islam.[131] Even today, certain Nabulsi surnames including Muslimani, Yaish, and Shakshir among others, are associated with a Samaritan origin.

Palestinian Arab Christians
The first Christian communities in Roman Palestine were Aramaic speaking Messianic Jews and Latin and Greek speaking Romans and Greeks, who were in part descendants from previous settlers of the regions, such as Syro-Phoenicians, Arameans, Greeks, Persians, Hebrews, Nabataeans and Arabs

Contrary to the rest of oriental Christians, the vast majority of Palestinian Christians followed the Byzantine Christianity of the emperors after the Council of Chalcedon in 451 AD, and were known by other Syrian Christian as Melkites (followers of the king).[16] The Melkites were heavily Hellenised in the following centuries abandoning their distinct Western Aramaic languages in favour of Greek. By the 7th century, Jerusalem and Byzantine Palestine became the epicentre of Greek culture in the orient.[16]

Soon after the Muslim conquests, the Melkites began abandoning Greek for Arabic, a process which made them the most Arabicised Christians in the Levant.[16]

Most Palestinian Christians nowadays see themselves as culturally and linguistically Arab Christians with ancestors dating back to the first followers of Christ. They claim descent from a mixture of Jews and Gentiles who converted to Christianity in the first few centuries AD,[17] Romans, Ghassanids, Byzantines, and Crusaders. The region comprising modern Israel and State of Palestine is considered the Holy Land by Christians. Major Christian holy cities such as Bethlehem, Nazareth and Jerusalem are located in Israel and the State of Palestine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_people#Ancestral_origins
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Christians#Background_and_early_history

Delafruita: this post reeks of ignorance not only of basic history but of international politics.the isreal-palestine dispute is completely different from all those you listed.all those wanted to leave a union to stand alone.palestine was never part of isreal.infact palestine has never been part of any country.jordan first annexed the westbank from it in 48' claiming it was keeping it in trust till isreal seized it in 67'.isreal got its nation in 48' with its boundaries carved out.it refused the palestineans citizenship which they didnt want in the first place.many migrated to jordan where they received residence cards and eventual citizenship.others remained in palestine in hopes of a state.you see,all these problems were caused by the british.right from 1922 when they promised to divide the ottoman into jordan and palestine till 1946 when the carved out transjordan and then 1948 when they decided to give the palestinean lands to isreali "returnees".the palestinians have spent 7decades been stateless,oppressed,maimed and you expect them to rejoice?

The United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO) in January indefinitely postponed, at the request of Arab states, a planned display on the history of Jews in the Middle East. Protests led to a reversal of the shelving of the project and the display opened, finally, June 11 at the UNESCO headquarters in Paris. It was co-hosted by the Simon Wiesenthal Centre and authored by Robert Wistrich of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. The display consists of 24 panels showing the history of Jews in the Middle East starting with Abraham and running to the present day.

UNESCO is highly politicized and, like the rest of the United Nations, a forum for vociferous anti-Zionism. The mere fact that the exhibit took place is an achievement, progress in having the Jewish people and the Jewish state treated like any other.

Nonetheless, the exhibit had one gaping hole: the story of the movement of Jews from Arab countries to Israel. There is one sentence in the panel titled “Israel among the nations” which says, “By 1968, Middle Eastern Jews already represented 48% of the entire Jewish migration to Israel.” And that is more or less it.

Robert Wistrich had prepared a panel on Jews from Arab countries for the exhibit, but UNESCO vetoed it. It was made clear to Wistrich and the Simon Wiesenthal Center that, if they insisted on this particular panel, the exhibit would not take place.

The exhibit counters many different elements of anti-Zionist propaganda. Why was there silence on this issue pertaining to the history of the migration of Jews from Arab countries to Israel, the red line for anti-Zionists? The answer is that this story does more to counter anti-Zionist mythology than any other.

Anti-Zionist mythology says that Jews are outsiders who have come from Europe and North America to colonize Arab territory.

The fact that half of the Jews of Israel are descendants of those who have lived continuously in the region since time immemorial undermines this myth.

Anti-Zionist mythology portrays Palestinian refugees as victims of the creation of the State of Israel. The fact that there were two displaced populations and that the Jewish displaced population was more numerous than the Palestinian one shifts the blame for refugee victimization to the place where it belongs: anti-Zionists and their attacks on the existence of the State of Israel.

Anti-Zionists attempt to mobilize sympathy for the underdog by portraying the Palestinians as victims and Israelis as perpetrators.

The existence of an even larger population of displaced Jewish victims from Arab states guts this narrative of Palestinians as unique underdogs.

Jews expelled or driven out from Arab countries were resettled outside the region or locally integrated in Israel. Anti-Zionists have refused to contemplate for Palestinians either resettlement or local integration; anti-Zionists would rather keep that population in enforced misery as hostages to anti-Zionist rhetoric, as fodder for propaganda against the existence of Israel. The contrast between the hospitality Israel has offered to Jewish refugees and the hostility Arab states have manifested to Palestinian refugees is stark. Anti-Zionists want to ensure that this contrast remains hidden.

It was irrational for Arab states, at one and the same time to combat the existence of a Jewish state and to be instrumental in its creation through the expulsion of their Jewish populations, who inevitably, for the most part, ended up in Israel. The only consistent explanation for both Arab state behaviors is hatred for Jews in their midst. That is a story that, understandably, Arab states did not want told.

Palestinian peace negotiators have argued that whatever injustice was done to Jewish refugees from Arab countries was not inflicted by the Palestinians. This position ignores the fact that many of the Jewish refugees generated by the wars against the existence of Israel, about 40,000, came from the West Bank and Gaza.

Be that as it may, the refusal of Arab states to confront the reality of the injustice to Jews from Arab countries, which their opposition to the insertion of this issue in the UNESCO exhibit illustrates, means that if the issue is not dealt with in Palestinian-Israeli negotiations, it is not likely to be dealt with at all.

We need to take a cue from the anti-Zionists’ own rankings. If what is central to the core of anti-Zionist propaganda is the covering up of the story of Jews from Arab countries, then that story must be central to combating anti-Zionism. If we can learn that lesson from the UNESCO cover up, it will have done us a favor.

benebaby77: Before you guys make any opinions about
the conflict in Israel and Gaza. pls check
these facts and figures:
1. Gaza was invaded by Israel in 1967 &
ever since Israel is illegally occupying the
whole of the Gaza strip.
2. Gaza is surrounded on three sides by
Israel who has blocked all these three
sides by Israeli army.& Navy.
One side is border of Egypt where the
Egyptian army along with Israeli & UN
observers & monitors blocks the entry of
any body from/to Gaza.
Gaza is literally huge prison where not
even a bird can enter without Israel’s
permission.
3. Gaza has no sea port or airport or even
a train station.
4. Gaza residents cannot leave Gaza as
they don’t even have passports. Plus there
are Israeli checkpoints at every place. Also
no one from any country can enter Gaza
without Israel’s permission which is
impossible to get , forget about ordinary
man even the top politicians of powerful
countries had been denied entry in Gaza
by Israel. Gaza is a place which is totally
cutoff from the rest of the world.
5. Each and every daily use commodities
comes through these Israeli check points.
Even the milk, wheat medicines all items
come through these Israeli check points.
Israel charge taxes on all the items witch
goes through these check points.
6. Gaza is like a big jail. It is entire country
under seize. Even inside Gaza Israel have
several check posts at important junctions.
The Israeli army harasses and humiliates
Gaza citizens every day as the Gaza
citizens cross these check posts.
7. The UN has urged Israel numerous times
to remove this illegal seizure of Gaza but
Israel never listen to UN .
More then 50 resolutions have been
passed by UN against Israel but with USA
always on its side so Israel just doesn’t
care.
8. The food and essentials are always in
short supply in Gaza as Israel delays,
discourages and harass its imports in
Gaza. Shops don’t have enough rations,
hospitals don’t have enough and essential
medicines. Power is in short supply, petrol
and gas is in shortage too. The inflation is
highest in the world in Gaza as a result of
it. The poverty is rising at the highest rate
also. The Gaza children’s are among the
worst malnutrition children now.
9. There are no specialized doctors or
equipments to treat the serious injury or
disease in any hospitals. Every now and
then Israeli army bomb Gaza and the
innocent civilians get hurt during
bombing. These wounded civilians plead
and beg in the check points to let them out
for treatment but they kind Israeli army
never let them. So the wounds which
could have been treated become more
severe and often the wounded becomes
handicapped for the rest of their lives.
10. Once a thriving society and rich people
now have become beggars & prisoners in
their own country.Can you imagine the
trauma the humiliation the harassment the
pain in the hearts of these people who
have been invaded and made prisoners
and slaves in their own country?
They have been struggling for their
independence since almost 50 years now.
With each passing day Israel is
constructing new settlements for its Israeli
citizens in their land. With each passing
day their hope of independence, a hope to
live a normal life like any other human is
fading away. Every night they sleep in
pain and every morning they wake up
with sorrows.
In the pretext of peace talks Israel actually
is delaying their independence to capture
more and more of their land everyday by
constructing new Israeli homes and
settlements. The Palestinians know this
and they are watching it helplessly. Just
like a goat watch the lion eats its children
but can do nothing. They are shedding
tears of blood. With Israeli soldiers
harassing them , cursing them, abusing
them mocking them, hurting them , killing
them everyday in their very own land, all
Palestinians can do is watch and cry.
What suggestions do you have now? The
western paid media is making &
broadcasting news in such a manner that
one should feel as if Gaza residence are
the one who are occupying Israel and
Israel is fighting for the it freedom......

TerryCarr:
stateless my a$$ why don't their Arab "bothers" give them citizenship?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4drP0oVdEM

the Arab nations told the "Palestinians" to get out of the way so we can kick the Jews out and they failed so the palis are stuck in the Arab nations who won't give then citizenship or basic rights. the Jews got kick out of the arab nations but you don't see stateless Jews why? because Israel took them in and gave them citizenship

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists/UNESCO-silence-on-Jews-from-Arab-countriesdav-360130
http://honestreporting.com/ignoring-the-jewish-nakba/

also 20% of Israel pop is Arab so yeah....

jpphilips:


If number 4 is true, how come I see on a daily basis press TV crew reporting Live!! from Gaza? If you claim Israel doesn't allow even world leaders there, are you insinuating they grant entry to Iran (press TV crew) their biggest enemy? Aljazeera report life from Gaza who granted them access? CNN is there, BBC is there let me assume they are friends of Israel, tell me, how did doctors without borders get into Gaza, I saw them on TV and I read comments from Amnesty international Live! in Gaza, If my TV is not photo shopped, then you have failed woefully in this attempt to demonize Israel.

abdulkayus:

Guy abeg keep schooling dem. They dont knw history only to spew thrash. Just cos Hamas do t do their biddin, they hav now been termed as terrorists.
Jus cos Isreal, US and their balls lickers d EU term dem as terrorists doesn't mean we shld follow their hypocrisy. Mandela and d ANC where also term as terrorists jus cos dey are fightin for their rights and land. Up till 2008 Mandela was still label as terrorist by d US, and dey hav d guts to come for his burial and eulogised him. Hw I wish South Africa didn't invites dos hypocrites. As a Nlander said on dis thread, one man terrorist os another man freedom fighters. If US and EU want to condemn a group or person, they will jus term dem as terrorist and wit d propaganda of their media, they will keep drumming that into ppl head until d masses agree wit d designation.
There is no biggest terrorists on dis earth like d hypocritical US. They are fightin d Taliban in Afghanistan and Pakistan bt supportin dem in Syria and Libya, wat a joke.

TerryCarr:
i don't recall the ANC shooting missiles at Johannesburg anyway they are Muslim of course it's religious

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PILiMkc8mXE

Delafruita: whats this one saying?whats the long epistle to prove?that palestinians didnt align with isrealis?of course they didnt.isrealis MIGRATED from all over the world to RECLAIM their so-called god-given land and decided to reclaim it by force from those who didnt only exist side by side with them 2000years ago,but those who have remained there for millenia

seguntijan: This is a speech made by Israel Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to his cabinet about three weeks ago. It was reprinted by Affan Sosibo for the African National Congress Youth League on the 8th July 2014.

"We are not obliged even the least to try to prove to anybody and to the blacks and Arabs that we are superior people. We have demonstrated that to the blacks and Arabs in 1001 ways. The State of Israel that we know of today has not been created by wishful thinking. We have created it at the expenses of intelligence, sweat and blood………We do not pretend like other whites that we like the blacks. The fact that, blacks and Arabs look like human beings and act like human beings do not necessarily make them sensible human beings. Hedgehogs are not porcupines and lizards are not crocodiles because they look alike. If God had wanted us to be equal to the blacks and Arabs, he would have created us all of a uniform colour and intellect. But he created us differently: Whites, Blacks, Yellow, Rulers and the ruled. Intellectually, we are superior to the Blacks and Arabs; that has been proven beyond any reasonable doubt over the years. I believe that a Jew is honest, God fearing person, who has demonstrated practically the right way of being……By now every one of us has seen it practically that the Blacks and Arabs cannot rule themselves. Give them guns and they will kill each other. They are good in nothing else but making noise, dancing, marrying many wives and indulging in sex. Let us all accept that the Blackman is a symbol of poverty, mental inferiority, laziness and emotional incompetence. Isn’t it plausible? Therefore that the Whiteman is created to rule the Blackman……And here is a creature (Blackman) that lacks foresight….. The average Black does not plan his life beyond a year”