PastorAIO:

The question, I imagine, would be: how do you know that they are Jesus' words. Whether something has inconsistencies or not does not depend on who said them. If on reading them you find that they have inconsistencies, according to the basic rules of Logical rigour, then you just have to accept that. You can't that becos Jesus said it then it is consistent even if it is actually inconsistent. That's like saying the sky is yellow cos the holy authority said so and it doesn't matter what your eyes tell you.

pickabeau1:
What is the question//// where are you comin from

PastorAIO:

how do you know that they are Jesus' words?

pickabeau1:
which words now... the Gospels according to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John?
if that... i believe it
What do you believe

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PastorAIO:

If your standards are low enough I'm sure you'll have no trouble finding one on NL.

PastorAIO:

If your standards are low enough I'm sure you'll have no trouble finding one on NL.

MizMyColi: El Boo, He called me out upon the waters, the great unknown, where feet may fail. And there I find him in the Mystery, in oceans deep, my faith will stand, I will call upon his name and keep my eyes above. When oceans rise, my soul will rest in his embrace. I am His and He is Mine.------- That's a line from one of my best hits ever, though I've personalized it. Thank You El.....I may not be questing for truth (so to speak), I'll keep your advice close to my heart

PastorAIO:

So in Jesus' words Jesus said, 'Jesus said .... verily verily ... he who has ears to hear'. If they were just Jesus' words then there would be no need to quote Jesus within them, they are all quotations of Jesus.

Anyway... that was not the core of what I was saying. My question was on the matter of inconsistencies. If something has inconsistencies then it has inconsistencies full stop. If you ascribe it to Jesus and then say in spite of the obvious inconsistencies it has no inconsistencies because Jesus said so then your logic is faulty.

Whether Jesus said the entire contents of Matthew Mark Luke etc or not has not bearing on whether or not the Gospels are inconsistent.

and for the record, the gospels are inconsistent as an historical accounts.

pickabeau1:


So what do you believe

PastorAIO:

What I believe has no bearing on the topic at hand. I get asked that question at least 2ce a week on NL. I'm going to open a thread soon called 'MY BELIEFS' and then if another person asks me I'll just refer them to that thread. But for the here and now just take this little belief.... :

The Gospels Are Inconsistent As Historical Records.

pickabeau1:

I will be interested in your thread..

torchwave: MizMyColi

What I infer from your belief is the fact that you prefer seeking God personally to reading the Word of God, right?

If by word of God, you mean bible, yes.[Though I don't consider the bible - "THE WORD OF GOD"] I quote scriptures and they are a huge blessing to me, however, I find that the zeal to study the "word" has unconsciously left me. The zeal I have now is to KNOW THE WORD......for in the beginning was the word, this word was with God and the word was God - Jesus. Hope that answers your question?

MizMyColi: If by word of God, you mean bible, yes.[Though I don't consider the bible - "THE WORD OF GOD"] I quote scriptures and they are a huge blessing to me, however, I find that the zeal to study the "word" has unconsciously left me. The zeal I have now is to KNOW THE WORD......for in the beginning was the word, this word was with God and the word was God - Jesus. Hope that answers your question?

torchwave: Yes it does perfectly. But if you don't consider the Bible as the Word of God, how would you recognize the voice of Jesus since He would never say anything that is contrary to His Word. Have you thought about that?

He lives in me, and I in Him...."My sheep know my voice and they follow". One thing though, the early christians did not have the bible as we do today, and I'm pretty sure that not all of them met Jesus, so how did they know his "voice"..... While I don't dispute that there are actually people who hear God, more oft than not, the "voice" we think of as the voice of God are just voices in our head. God speaks to me, yes....but I've become humble enough to accept that I've never actually heard him audibly or even in my mind. Yet, when he speaks to my spirit through other means, I know he has and I obey/act on it. I've never regretted. God cannot be boxed in a bible....that's idolatory. I trust his spirit to guide me in the best paths....no one puts their trust in God, NOT the bible and is ever misled. That is not to say the bible is bad.......Its the best and most life transforming book I've ever read, through the lenses of the holy spirit. When I'm led to, I will not hesitate to pick it up again.

MizMyColi: He lives in me, and I in Him...."My sheep know my voice and they follow". One thing though, the early christians did not have the bible as we do today, and I'm pretty sure that not all of them met Jesus, so how did they know his "voice"..... While I don't dispute that there are actually people who hear God, more oft than not, the "voice" we think of as the voice of God are just voices in our head. God speaks to me, yes....but I've become humble enough to accept that I've never actually heard him audibly or even in my mind. Yet, when he speaks to my spirit through other means, I know he has and I obey/act on it. I've never regretted. God cannot be boxed in a bible....that's idolatory. I trust his spirit to guide me in the best paths....no one puts their trust in God, NOT the bible and is ever misled. That is not to say the bible is bad.......Its the best and most life transforming book I've ever read, through the lenses of the holy spirit. When I'm led to, I will not hesitate to pick it up again.

MizMyColi: He lives in me, and I in Him...."My sheep know my voice and they follow". One thing though, the early christians did not have the bible as we do today, and I'm pretty sure that not all of them met Jesus, so how did they know his "voice"..... While I don't dispute that there are actually people who hear God, more oft than not, the "voice" we think of as the voice of God are just voices in our head. God speaks to me, yes....but I've become humble enough to accept that I've never actually heard him audibly or even in my mind. Yet, when he speaks to my spirit through other means, I know he has and I obey/act on it. I've never regretted. God cannot be boxed in a bible....that's idolatory. I trust his spirit to guide me in the best paths....no one puts their trust in God, NOT the bible and is ever misled. That is not to say the bible is bad.......Its the best and most life transforming book I've ever read, through the lenses of the holy spirit. When I'm led to, I will not hesitate to pick it up again.

torchwave: MizMyColi, all you said is just wrong, especially the bolded. I don't want to go further than this because I dislike sermonising tones. However, be certain it is very very dangerous to fight the good fight of Faith without the Sword of the Spirit - the Word of God. It is suicidal at the least.

So, which of the versions exactly is the word and sword of the spirit, is it the protestant 66 books or the catholic 81 books or the septuagint version or the deuterocanonicals and so many other variations of scriptures out there. I assert that the only word of truth I know is Jesus and there are so many ways he reveals himself to his own, if he chooses the bible or any other spirit inspired manuscript or book.......why not?! It might interest you to know that Peter, Paul, that Eunuch and many first century Christians didn't have the bible, so, what was their sword of the spirit and word of God back then?

MizMyColi: So, which of the versions exactly is the word and sword of the spirit, is it the protestant 66 books or the catholic 81 books or the septuagint version or the deuterocanonicals and so many other variations of scriptures out there. I assert that the only word of truth I know is Jesus and there are so many ways he reveals himself to his own, if he chooses the bible or any other spirit inspired manuscript or book.......why not?! It might interest you to know that Peter, Paul, that Eunuch and many first century Christians didn't have the bible, so, what was their sword of the spirit and word of God back then?

torchwave: So which Jesus are we talking about here? Which of the books did you learn about Jesus? Did you hear about Him from a Pastor? What version of the Word of God does that Pastor read?

Like I said earlier, it may not have been called the Bible then but they had the Words of Jesus as well as the letters of the Apostles to the churches. The only difference is that they were later gathered into one whole book and called the Bible. No doubt, they had the same authority as from God as they still do today.

See! not all of them had the words of Jesus, but they sure had the holy spirit, not the bible to guide them into ALL TRUTH. It might also interest you to know that the apostles' letters were written to a particular group of people like - The church in Corinth, the Romans, the church in Philipines etc......are you now saying that the letters were distributed throughout the whole world at the time? One More Thing, In as much as I've greatly benefited from Apostle Paul and John's preaching, please and please and please......how on earth do their letters or the book of Acts qualify as the word of God?!

I may not reply your quote anymore, you may understand why here --> (https://www.nairaland.com/1827221/17-things-people-report-shedding), but just so you know:

Though the bible contains God's words to his people of a particular age (which remains the same forever), though the bible contains life changing, devil defeating quotes - It is not The Word of God. Jesus Christ is. "For in the beginning was the word, the word was with God, the word was God. This word that is of God is Jesu Chrsiti.

torchwave: Hey, did not mean to get you peeved or something, just offering a friendly word. Christ will meet us wherever we are.

This is me exit cue...

Lmao...... I sounded angry/peeved, right?
Believe me, I wasn't. It's why I had to take down the fonts and characters I used.
I just wish someone gets me, I wouldn't be surprised if in long run, it is ultimately discovered that we're saying the same thing. The only culprit then would be ENGLISH.

Thanks for your time btw

MizMyColi: Lmao...... I sounded angry/peeved, right?
Believe me, I wasn't. It's why I had to take down the fonts and characters I used.
I just wish someone gets me, I wouldn't be surprised if in long run, it is ultimately discovered that we're saying the same thing. The only culprit then would be ENGLISH.

Thanks for your time btw

MizMyColi:
No I'm not. Though my posts sound very christianese.......it might interest you to know that I no longer qualify as a Christian . I admit though, that I'm a very spiritual being

For now, I don't fit in anywhere.