shdemidemi:

I appreciate your logical thinking, but we really have no basis for discussion as we don't believe the same things. We don't need to engage in talk that will eventually be a waste of time.

nep2ra:

Ha Ha!

Got you cornered. No wiggle room now.

Have a good day mate.

May your mind be continually refreshed.

frosbel:

Salvation coming through a Jewish man does not mean that God is a Jewish God, that will be insane. How can we put God in a box and restrict him to a single race ?

frosbel:

Millions of your ancestors did not believe in the Jewish God, tell me how they were saved or expect to be saved !

shdemidemi:

Ancestors, saved ke.. By who, by what standard?

The bible taught that every man was under devils control due to the fall of Adam... No man could be saved until Christ pay the price. But the journey to the salvation of the world started by Gods election of Abraham through whose loins came the saviour of the world. The saviour declared one single way to His father at His arrival.

Which other back door have you seen in the bible?

frosbel:

so they are all damned ?

shdemidemi:

I stand to be corrected if shown how people could be saved through the back door in the bible.

frosbel:

Then your theology is insane and I mean totally insane and not any different from Jihadist Islam.

shdemidemi:

Ok, does the bible support your theology? I want to believe your ideas are not formed merely from the top of your head.

frosbel:

You are saying that hundreds of millions of people were born into this world by your loving God and predestined to an eternity of perpetual torture because they did not hear about the Jewish God or had the misfortune of being born in another era or into a different race. You see this is the type of theology that gets people locked up in an asylum.

shdemidemi:

My brother, I am speaking scriptures you are speaking emotions....please talk from the book too.

Didn't the same God clear cities, man, woman and children at one go in your bible?

What if billions perish, have you got a court to take the creator?

frosbel:

Its not about emotion, its about common sense and decency.

If your God has no emotion then what is he , a Robot ? SMH.

This is the result of brain washing.

frosbel:

Millions of your ancestors did not believe in the Jewish God, tell me how they were saved or expect to be saved !

Bidam: Since they didn't hear about Christ..They will be judged by the Law written in the conscience of their hearts.( Romans 2:14-15).

frosbel: I am really beginning to worry that a lot of the hog wash I was fed as a so called believer is actually starting to unfold into a horror movie of myth and fable.

For example, Christians believe they worship the one true God but so do Muslims, Jews and almost all religions. The problem is this : How can the creator of mankind be limited to a particular religion, race , time or location ?

I personally think God is ONE but he is for ALL , he is not a Christian God he is the Peoples God, he is not a Muslims God he is the people's God, he is not the Jewish God he is the peoples God. God is absolutely no respecter of persons and many so called Christians will be shell shocked on the last day when he says the dreaded words " depart from me you workers of evil ". They erroneously think that they own God and therefore can live as they like and all will be just fine. What nonsense.

Furthermore , the Christian boasts in his God but has also killed in the name of his God, in fact the Muslim is still killing in the name of his God and worst yet the Jews think they own God 100% and say to themselves 'why don't we just blow the whole middle east into smithereens and take the land of our fathers back' etc....

I have news for you religious people :

YOU DO NOT OWN GOD, GOD IS FOR ALL not for a FEW People who belong to a cult, sect or religious affilication.

Lets see the qualificatrions for being a Gods favourie :

"My hands have made both heaven and earth; they and everything in them are mine. I, the LORD, have spoken! "I will bless those who have humble and contrite hearts, who tremble at my word" - Isaiah 66:2

"Opening his mouth, Peter said: "I most certainly understand now that God is not one to show partiality, 35but in every nation the man who fears Him and does what is right is welcome to Him.…" - Acts 10:34

God is LOVE !!

frosbel:

Now that's a more sane answer.

But what Law are we talking about here ?

Bidam: Moral law which is universal.It is what embodies LOVE.

Bidam: Since they didn't hear about Christ..They will be judged by the Law written in the conscience of their hearts.( Romans 2:14-15).

shdemidemi:

Now, Paul did not say they will be justified by the works of the law of their conscience. No one is saved by observing the law, no one can. He was only disparaging the Jews assumptions that they were still very much special in God's agenda as they have the law and circumcision and most importantly they were children of the patriarchs.

Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.


Paul went on to say in the next verse (verse 16)that God will not only be judging things we do on the outside, even our line of thought will be judged.

He went on to present a gospel that sets us free aside any law that can be kept or unkept...

Romans 3:21

But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22 This righteousness is given through faith in[h] Jesus Christ to all who believe

frosbel:

in which case 99% of them will be saved since they showed true love in those days !

frosbel:

haha, in your own world nobody will be saved,

frosbel:

in which case 99% of them will be saved since they showed true love in those days !

But at least you are also in agreement that they were saved apart from Jesus ?

[quote author=frank317]the problem with frosbel is that he is confused, yet is trying real hard to justify his confusion... it will never work that way bro. you will never make sense to anyone when you try to justify your confusion... how is that going to be possible?

Bidam: Yes since they never heard of Christ.

shdemidemi:

Now, Paul did not say they will be justified by the works of the law of their conscience. No one is saved by observing the law, no one can. He was only disparaging the Jews assumptions that they were still very much special in God's agenda as they have the law and circumcision and most importantly they were children of the patriarchs.

Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.


Paul went on to say in the next verse (verse 16)that God will not only be judging things we do on the outside, even our line of thought will be judged.

He went on to present a gospel that sets us free aside any law that can be kept or unkept... In actual fact, no one can escape God's wrath without Fiath. (Faith meaning being in Christ)

Romans 3:21

But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22 This righteousness is given through faith in[h] Jesus Christ to all who believe

frosbel:

haha, in your own world nobody will be saved,

alexleo:

Its obivious from your submissions that you are preaching based on your sentiments and emotions while Bidam and shidemi are tackling with scriptures. I remember some 2 years ago when you were making noise here that we should stick to the scripture and Jesus. Now that you have seen that you can't twist the scripture for long to back up your whims and capricess you are no more sticking to the scripture and Jesus rather what we see here about your preaching is emotional outpouring. You are sounding like a confused person bro. Atheists here have said that you are heading their way. Infact one of them lashed on you last night and said you are a confused fellow. Like I said, na look we dey look you.

frank317: the problem with frosbel is that he is confused, yet is trying real hard to justify his confusion... it will never work that way bro. you will never make sense to anyone when you try to justify your confusion... how is that going to be possible?

Bidam: Are Christians free from moral law?

frosbel:

Sorry Sir,I don't take advice from someone who is captive to a church that almost destroyed me.

You are indeed a victim of American pentecostal brain washing and I pity you to the extent that I hope you see the light.

The problem is your God is an American Jew and not for ALL.