all4naija: You cannot comprehend my post yet you are willing to debate an issue as involving sensitive topic as slavery. Mind you, you posted some links to ascertain your views which I pointed out to you for not using you discretion to spot the loopholes in them. That is a big shame on your side.

Oh, yeah. It is now a factoid-like question to ask a meaningful question as regarding the number of slaves involved in the illicit human trade(as in foreign land not the land of origin). What is so trivial in that question you couldn't provide answer to is still a challenge to me. Indeed, I think you are giving excuse to what you don't have answer for.

I never said 90% of the world is enslaved, low-brain! I said slavery around the world originated as forced on the enslaved people. It is not a fallacy. I put that number up to explain the magnitude of forced labor. The definition of the word by itself explains it all and I am not surprised you couldn't figure that out. Smh...

Your understanding of slavery is appalling to say the least. How on earth you defend forcing people against their will and chaining them up while beating them to work in farms, homes and other boring places is beyond me. The way you tried to use a 'working-place' notion to define slavery speaks volume of your poor understanding of the word. You generalization is faulty and I would advise you do some research on black slavery and related subjects on past history. You are no-brainier!

Servitude, whether indentured or forced is not what I am likely pointing out to you. I am pointing at your statement to prove what you mean in your statement by asking you a question. It is not a rhetoric question yet you ignore it and beat about the bush. That is the most discouraging thing about you views.

Most of my statements don't require sources. They are based on reasoning. It's for you to know your onion is and figure it out. While you are trying to affirmed you lack of ability to explain yourself here there hasn't be anything that so much required sources at this point in time. I am going to provide sources when necessary and I didn't do that because I haven't see that need in the argument so far.

I am waiting for you answer still.

all4naija:
No reference point is exclusively needed in your post to defend your points than tried to exonerate the action of those who stole people into slavery. You purported a means to blame slavery on the KINGS yet couldn't provide an answer to 'factoid question' that seems to prove otherwise. How is my question not relevant to your argument? That is still something you need to prove. It is annoying and absolutely unacceptable in any reasonable discussion.

I am not acting. I am telling you that guns were used by the slave masters to force people into slavery because there is no source pointing to African KINGS using guns on their subjects. Excepting you have to provide your different side to prove that wrong. Kings having guns possibly traded for pepper and animals materials, like skin, bone, ivory,etc. All you could figure out is that those guns were often more none traded for people. It means they probably have tenth to the hundredth of million guns for the slaves traded at their disposal. Bwahaha... Make good use of your brain, man. The superheroes in your post only makes your point very petty and prove your are shallow-mind in addressing such a sensitive issue as slavery. The weapons they come with are superior in the sense make them more of a superheroes. We can see that in today's technological advancement of the developed world. It makes them look supper-humans to Africans in their peasant lifestyle.

I assumed you were African American looking at the way you present your views. Nevertheless, while I still stand by my point, there is nothing wrong in my assumption because of your position. Now that you have able to tell us about your person there is nothing to cry about in that my statement. The earlier you realized that the better for you to move on with your miserable life in calling me a bigot.

freeafrica365:

You didnt magically get born in America. Your parents benefited from their struggle. Why arent you transforming Nigeria, living there..if you cant be bothered with the other blacks that are here with us? Why not fix glorious Nigeria?

A better news source would be MSNBC instead of Fox News or CNN.

Maam, Martin Luther Kings movement is still going on with modern leaders. And as a person that donated to bringback my girls, black Americans donated with me.

I am not trying to move you. This is an open forum, I commented like I did elsewhere in this thread. Each time you speak publicly, you risk receiving an opinion that DOESNT agree with your position.

I say: get a better grasp on civil rights. We arent exempt because we are Nigerian from being killed, no matter what we ideally believed. And even more, we should want to join with ALL our people.

But good day.

anonymous6:

I know I wasn't born here magically and I know the benefits of the Civil rights movement struggle of decades ago have done for me, It made people like President Obama, Oprah, Condolessa Rice, Mellody Hobson and many others possible. I help Nigeria they way I want and have donated to Bring back Our girls as well. Your not God and I am not, so you have no right to judge me as if you opinion is the holy grail.

Is there still issues since the Civil rights movement of decades ago? YES, Was the Trayvon Martin Case of last year one of them? YES but is Ferguson one of them? not so much

OK, CNN: http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/19/us/ferguson-michael-brown-dueling-narratives/

Yeah I know it's a open forum and I will encounter people with differing opinions but to insult is something entirely something I won't do but you did, which is what I am suspecting is how you communicate with people on nairaland.

Lets agree to disagree

have a good day

freeafrica365:
Ok well I apologize to you because you are actually black Nigerian. I will not apologize to that white troll!
Here is an alternative view (I do disagree with your position still but i will just provide you with links, you are my sister)
Will add more
http://colorlines.com/archives/2014/08/what_to_read_about_ferguson.html
http://colorlines.com/archives/2014/08/10_social_media_shares_about_the_horrors_in_ferguson.html
http://colorlines.com/archives/2014/08/9_things_about_ferguson_that_will_make_go_hmmm.html
http://www.politicususa.com/2014/08/19/deep-seated-racism-root-ferguson-polices-handling-mike-brown-shooting.html

anonymous6:

Ok, I respect that from you and will read your sources

You don't need to apologize to a white troll, lol

freeafrica365:

Loopholes? There is no loophole to actual facts. AFRICANS sold AFRICANS, whether they had help or not was not my point.

I am waiting on your answer: DID AFRICANS NOT SELL AFRICANS? WITH PROOF: Yes or no, that will suffice. You seem to have this incessant need to hear yourself talk, even when it is by mere key strokes. If you get the last key stroke, would that be a win for you? Because after this, I am done entertaining you. I only debate or banter with Nigerians not white trolls.

Your unsubstantiated claim that 90% of the world had slaves, another non factor to my point: I distinguished the two systems that you tried to conflate. You tried to place slavery under one umbrella. And I rightly distinguished the two systems. Just as WHITE (because, well, you probably are) as can be, you decided that everyone should stop talking about slavery, because...you wanted to emphasize that EVERYONE was enslaved. I pointed out that you cant compare REAL HOLOCAUST SLAVERY to INDENTURED SERVITUDE, which you attempted to umbrella and reference.

THEN...

You tried to debase and DEBUNK my position by asking for numeric values...positioning that Africans couldn't have done it alone, which NO ONE denied. So again, you just like to hear yourself talk. Because had you wanted a real debate you wouldve COUNTERED my assertion that AFRICANS SOLD AFRICANS. No. What do you do? You jump around asking me about how many kings sold Africans, then you said, "oh get over it Africa, we were all slaves". THAT isnt true, 90% of the world did NOT practice the slavery that I am talking about,

And I asked you, even IF I decided to waste my time and provide a list of the AFRICANS that were participants in the HOLOCAUST - that it DID NOT and will NOT debase my premise that:

AFRICANS sold AFRICANS. Your notion that simply because they had WHITE help, which the WORLD knows..does NOTHING to debase my original argument.

1. You dart around with hyperboles
2. You dont seek to counter with a serious counter.


AND THE POINT BOILS DOWN TO: WHY AFRICAN AMERICANS AND CARIBBEANS might feel slighted, I cite slavery. You come in - just like the resident troll that you are to twist around facts that are not twistable.

If this isnt clear, I dont know what is:

freeafrica365:

I rarely call people dumb, but you are.

1. A reference point was needed for him to research the kings apology. With that reference point, he could research the kings DOCUMENTED evidence and role in slavery.
2. The reference to kings was purely historical. You dont quite get it because you are not well versed on the subject, and instead of actually providing ME with proof that I was wrong, you and your alter ego cite oral history, and hearsay.

I dont need to prove anything. If you want to debate i d i o t, at least debase my argument.

freeafrica365:

Ok well I apologize to you because you are actually black Nigerian. I will not apologize to that white troll!

Here is an alternative view (I do disagree with your position still but i will just provide you with links, you are my sister)

I am not white, jerk! Please, I am black and white!

EbolaParasite:

How about you take a trip to west africa and we'll find out
Sitting in the comfort of your "wherever" typing racist propaganda. Screaming black this black that. What have you done to help the Ebola problem in Africa............nothing..............so why should Africans be bothered about your plight?

anonymous6:

I'm benefiting from the struggles of the civil rights movement from Martin Luther king and other civil rights activist; and what they struggled for has been accomplished for not only African americans but for all blacks and other non-blacks and non-whites who are American or immigrants. Ferguson has nothing to do with the civil rights movement struggle, so my response has nothing to do with a ingrate. I never said any culture is remarkably better, and as a american born Nigerian I stay with my opinion. I believe in Economic unity amongst African nations but forcing a ideology or mentality that you, the OP, and a few other Nigerians and other Africans believe with most African americans on Nigerians on a Nigerian forum that don't believe in that is wrong.

tonychristopher:

oh i doubt, but been dark doesnt make us brother, w still have dark abos in australian and india so ...what do they want

anonymous6:

Ferguson had nothing to do with civil rights. Mike brown after stealing from a convenient store(which Wilson didn't stop him for) and later was walking in the middle of the road, and was complained about by other black American witnesses when Wilson got on the scene. Wilson was a trigger happy cop and mike brown feel for the trap by walking in the middle of the road and then resisting arrest which lead to Wilson taking it to another level. Witnesses, who most were black american also said mike brown wasn't entirely innocent even though Wilson wasn't entirely innocent either. This has nothing to do with the civil rights movement that made oprah and president Obama today. I was born and raised in America and get racism and discrimination which I experienced from both white Americans and black Americans. So don't preach anything to me about this case, I already said before trayvon Martin rights were not given cause of racial profiling of a trigger happy fool but not with mike brown based on what has been said by the media so far.

When it comes to the other Nigerians being pompous ingrates, that's your opinion, I don't care(after all I never insulted african Americans on this thread on nairaland)and me being born and raised in this country I have a right to my opinion without being insulted and forced to your thinking(which is what your doing). I have every right to be in America, if you feel so strongly about this then maybe you should join the protesting in ferguson.

I do help in my way, I have given money and goods through Nigerian charities that they send straight to the poor in Nigeria. One of them is black girls ignite Africa, I have seen the evidence I have done. So don't you dare preach to me again on what I should or should not do on a Nigerian forum.

Think you need to preach to the Nigerians that act or tell black Americans they are better, I never said that. So take that topic to someone who cares or someone who actually said that.

So keep your arrogant and rude comments to yourself. I'm only speaking from a Nigerian American who lives in United States of America

khiaa:

Where have you seen black on black crime, the movies? lol you mutants are hilarious.

EbolaParasite:

With your tone, i'd say you are textbook description for a RACIST.
Remember when i said 50% of the members on this forum are not based in Nigeria? A lot of the people you are replying and quoting actually live in America so do not think you are telling anyone anything new.

BWOH2D:

I never stated all members were based in Nigeria. And for the ones who live in America, none of what you've stated negates what I've mentioned. You've all ready outed yourself as a non Black troll.

You all usually throw the word *racist* around, not knowing what it actually means.

BWOH2D:

West Africa is a region, it'd be quite hard to find you. Additionally, I've been several times, next...

all4naija:
I am not white, jerk! Please, I am black and white!

abdulwastecx:

there is no such thing as black or
white, those label are irrelevant to Nigerians.

EbolaParasite:

Non black troll? You got jokes. E b like say you don dey mara. How's that for a non black folk like myself. You are RACIST. End of

BWOH2D:

If you're really Black I suppose that makes it even worse. Pick up a few books and travel more. A lot of Africans (not all) only understand their locality. I find some to be very ignorant about history within Africa and outside of Africa and perpetuate a lot of propaganda/inaccuracy about Blacks in America (American Africans or African in America). Much can be said about some of us in the diaspora (the divide and conquer has done what it is supposed to do), we do the same, no escaping here. What I will focus on is continuing to build with ppl who understand and who Pan-African unity. I do not do brainwashed so called Blacks.

Good day.

EbolaParasite:


You may be the daft one because you haven't done proper research. What led to the slaves being sold? Do you think they did it willingly? Did you miss the part where the slave takers decided it was easier to deal with the Kings and Chiefs than forcefully capture slaves? Let me educate you. Africans didn't have a choice. It was either sell your people or WE WILL TAKE THEM ANYWAY.

You people never seize to amaze me. See them trying to put the blame on Africans. Last i checked, AFRICANS DID NOT BUILD A SHIP, TRAVEL TO AMERICA AND THEN SAID : HEY MR WHITE MAN, I HAVE SLAVES FOR SALE.

freeafrica365:


It isnt as though they stopped struggling after Martin Luther King, each time they enact change we benefit. Ferguson has every thing to do with the civil rights movement. And you dont have a great understanding of race relations or the law, if you think Ferguson was not about a violation of civil rights. When you are not given the right to surrender that is a violation right there. You are not benefiting from some distant Martin Luther King, you and me are benefiting from their modern day civil rights activists, like the dream defenders and other orgs.

Also, let me make this clear again: I dont care whether you agree with me or not. I think most of us are pompous ingrates. We are lazy. And we dont work hard for our own country. No. We have no problem invading other peoples countries, telling others how to behave according to OUR cultural biases..when we cant even get our OWN territories together. Any struggle that they have will impact us Africans as long as we are in their location.

I still think that you are a detached ingrate. But that has nothing to do with you disagreeing with me, it is your attitude towards the subject matter.

And further, if you think that African nations are a priority why are you here, as a Nigerian, like me? We talk a good game. But we dont even work hard to fix our own country. Then we come here to talk about how different we are than the other blacks. You are arrogant.

I dont wish for you to change your mind. I am merely commenting from a Nigerian perspective who is ALSO in America.

khiaa:



YOU ARE THE TRUTH!!!!
Most African American do not dislike Africans because of the past but their behavior of the present. Some of them come to America with an arrogant attitude of superiority over black Americans and kisses the behinds of whites and that behavior makes them look very ugly and stu.pid, and for the record, AA'S never asked Africans former their help nor support.

anonymous6:


I do think I have a right to be a American cause I was born in America whether you like it or not, just being honest.

Yup we know blacks have it harder then whites in America with the police and that's why blacks should take extra care, like not getting into their trap by walking in the middle of the road and giving them a advantage to trap you just being honest

I appreciate the civil rights struggle of Martin Luther king Cause if not for him I wouldn't be a nurse practitioner today.

I was in nigeria a few months ago, thank you

Again keep your opinions to yourself, and learn to agree to disagree. Your not moving me by making me feel wrong for my opinion, which I didn't do to you. If this was about trayvon Martin I would agree but in this case not so much.

Also stop engaging in this topic with me cause it seems to me you are looking for someone to get into a debate with and I'm one that doesn't care for it

khiaa:



Your posts reeks of so much ignorance, you speak like the movement was completed and ended with Martin Luther King.
The Civil Rights Movevment continues today and will always continue as long as whites run this country and AA'S reside here, we will never stop fighting for the rights you so arrogantly enjoy.

all4naija:

That is not true, big mouth! Most African Americans are arrogant in nature and see Africans as backward compared to them. There is no Africans who are cocky in any way to African Americans when they are in USA. Only in your twisted mind that happens. Please, go and scream as usual in your ghetto bed corner. You liar!

khiaa:


You stup.id who.re why are you still posting to me?
Do the world a favor and kill your useless halfbreed mutant behind.
I told you before to stop posting to me girl.

all4naija:
You are still on your girl's rant, i d i o t! I will post to you whenever I like because you don't make sense and you are a liar!