DISCLAIMER: This is just my honest view from what I perceive to be an ignorant error or mere coincidence, so I sincerely implore people to read with open minds and zero sentiment. I could be wrong after all.

I happen to be a fan of ancient movies and so I came across a film “Da Vinci’s Demons” (I’m not advertising movies here) and there is this phrase “sons of Mithras” they kept talking about, so me being my curious self I went surfing the internet for who these people were/are. Its unsurprisingly name for the occult members who worship “Mithras”, a god believed to have been born by a rock (absurd, isn’t it?) and worshipped in 1st to 4th century Rome. Now to the interesting part, members of this sect actually celebrate the birth of Mithras and/the festival of natalis invicti (birth of the Sun god, Sol) on December 25th, have a Phrygian cap as one of their symbols exactly like that worn by Santa Claus, prayers were addressed to the Sun (Sol) three times a day and Sundays were especially held sacred. At some point after a weird sacrifice, Mithras on with his Phrygian cap is seen ascending into the heaven in a Chariot (sounds like somebody you know?). It is said that Mithra
or [the] Sun took birth in the Cave on December 25th.[The Sun's] great festivals are observed in the Winter Solstice and the Vernal Equinox—Christmas and Easter. His symbol is
the Lamb!...." Mithras is often represented as carrying a lamb on his shoulders, just as in alleged pictures of Jesus. Midnight services were found in both religions. Christianity as we have it has its practices redefined in Rome, could it be that the earliest people allow some elements of paganism to enter the religion? Or due to mass corruption in the hierarchy, some could be members pretending to be men of God? So, if all these are true, it can’t be rescinded now, can it? Imaging the Pope saying, “Oh my people, I think we might have being erring on the wrong of our leaders past”, sound silly don’t you think? And also it questions the credibility of the religion. Anyways, as I’ve said this may be a coincidence or an abject, ignorant truth, you decide.






"Whoever stubbornly refuses to accept criticism will suddenly be broken beyond repair." (Proverbs 29:1)

"And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."" (John 8:32).

U think christainity is any different from pagan worship abi?

^^Ignorant statement.


You said you might be wrong with this thread and you are right.
It is true that the dates of christmas was fixed at the time the pagans used to have their festival.It was done so that instead of continuing in pagan worship,they can now gather at the same period to know the true God and worship Him.There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

Op,did you ever hear the statement Jesus made when he said He is the Lord of the sabbath?Do you know what it means?Dates don't mean a thing.

Vinx4Christ: "And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."" (John 8:32).

And the truth is?...I think truth should be based on facts or evidence...what's written up there are facts!

thorpido: ^^Ignorant statement.


You said you might be wrong with this thread and you are right.
It is true that the dates of christmas was fixed at the time the pagans used to have their festival.It was done so that instead of continuing in pagan worship,they can now gather at the same period to know the true God and worship Him.There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

Op,did you ever hear the statement Jesus made when he said He is the Lord of the sabbath?Do you know what it means?Dates don't mean a thing.

"So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ." (Colossians 2:16-17).

thorpido: ^^Ignorant statement.


You said you might be wrong with this thread and you are right.
It is true that the dates of christmas was fixed at the time the pagans used to have their festival.It was done so that instead of continuing in pagan worship,they can now gather at the same period to know the true God and worship Him.There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

Op,did you ever hear the statement Jesus made when he said He is the Lord of the sabbath?Do you know what it means?Dates don't mean a thing.

I don't o...so tell me
And who told you dates don't mean a thing?...if that date isn't Jesus birthday, why in God's holy name should people still be celebrating it?

Vinx4Christ:

"So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ." (Colossians 2:16-17).

And how are u so sure,that line was not rephrased by the same set of people who made people practice those dark things?

Even the sons of mithras called their god, christ too...just saying

Crocz:

I don't o...so tell me
And who told you dates don't mean a thing?...if that date isn't Jesus birthday, why in God's holy name should people still be celebrating it?

The Lord owns every SINGLE day.Whatever day a man chooses to celebrate is approved of God.The 25th of December is chosen and it serves its purpose.Whether sunday or wednesday doesn't matter.Moreover,i hope you know church services hold on almost every day of the week so what will you say about that.

Read Colossians 2:16-17.If you don't understand it I'll explain it to you.

thorpido: The Lord owns every SINGLE day.Whatever day a man chooses to celebrate is approved of God.The 25th of December is chosen and it serves its purpose.Whether sunday or wednesday doesn't matter.Moreover,i hope you know church services hold on almost every day of the week so what will you say about that.

Read Colossians 2:16-17.If you don't understand it I'll explain it to you.

Sweet...so I can decide to do my own Xmas tomorrow then?...so what about the chariot, the lamb eh?...and do you know that the "new testament" went under sever review and most even agreed that it has been doctored!...could be by the same set of people who lead men astray

Crocz:

And how are u so sure,that line was not rephrased by the same set of people who made people practice those dark things?

Even the sons of mithras called their god, christ too...just saying

The line was never rephrased. Most importantly, your so-called sons of mithra were never regarded as Christ. There were several Jesus, of which Bar-jesus was one; none other carried the name 'Christ'. Yeshua, as Jesus is called in the Hebrew tongue, is the ONLY one ever to carry the name 'Christ'.


And about the Christmas date; true, most still argue that it was modelled after the pagan date of the worship of their god. For most Christians all over the world and even to non-Christians, December 25 holds a memory; not because we look at the sun or the moon to mark the birth of our Lord Jesus Christ but because we understand that God demonstrated the greatest love of all by giving to man-kind His only begotten. Thus, we Christians honour this day, they do it with the teachings of Christ and the great example God laid before man; to rejoice, give and share selflessly.


#Shalom!

Crocz:

Sweet...so I can decide to do my own Xmas tomorrow then?...so what about the chariot, the lamb eh?...and do you know that the "new testament" went under sever review and most even agreed that it has been doctored!...could be by the same set of people who lead men astray

Sure, you can, as long as you put the name CHRISTmas under consideration. I reiterate; the season is beyond any other and is by far recognized by the said pagans who started it as a day in which Christians remember their Lord and Saviour. About the New Testatment being doctored, I'd recommend that you get your facts and evidences or you put your hearsays aside.

Sanchez01:

The line was never rephrased. Most importantly, your so-called sons of mithra were never regarded as Christ. There were several Jesus, of which Bar-jesus was one; none other carried the name 'Christ'. Yeshua, as Jesus is called in the Hebrew tongue, is the ONLY one ever to carry the name 'Christ'.


And about the Christmas date; true, most still argue that it was modelled after the pagan date of the worship of their god. For most Christians all over the world and even to non-Christians, December 25 holds a memory; not because we look at the sun or the moon to mark the birth of our Lord Jesus Christ but because we understand that God demonstrated the greatest love of all by giving to man-kind His only begotten. Thus, we Christians honour this day, they do it with the teachings of Christ and the great example God laid before man; to rejoice, give and share selflessly.


#Shalom!

Did I dispute Jesus is christ?...what I said is that the sons of mithras call their god christ too!

And honouring a pagan day by making people rejoice in it as Jesus birthday, IMO, is absolutely wrong!..go to church and see the kind of songs they sing on such day, like "Today he's born" and so on..again, the symbols of chariot, Santa clause attire and Jesus holding a lamb on his shoulders are pagan too....and I'm finding it difficult to strike a balance between this two:
Is Jesus son of God?..or
Is Jesus God?

Sanchez01:
Sure, you can, as long as you put the name CHRISTmas under consideration. I reiterate; the season is beyond any other and is by far recognized by the said pagans who started it as a day in which Christians remember their Lord and Saviour. About the New Testatment being doctored, I'd recommend that you get your facts and evidences or you put your hearsays aside.

There are three grades of evidences available in the bible and you need not be a scholor of the bible to tell this, because if you open the bible at random you will find the words of God, words of Prophets and the words of Historians. And let me support my claim by providing an example for each of the evidence from the bible.

The below are few of the quotations :
Words of God : Book of Deuteronomy 18:18
Words of Prophet : Gospel of Mark 12:29
Words of Historians : Gospel of Mark 11:13

And no wonder the bulk of the bible is a witnessing of this
THIRD kind i.e., the Words of Historians. And the moment you say that apart from the words of God it also contains the words of some other people who were eye witness (or) heard it from "HEARSAY" then it is made crystal clear that its not 100% verbatim word of Almighty God. And if only one word from the complete bible is proved that that word is not from God then by God the complete bible is not
from God and has been doctored!

The bible it contains 66 books of the protestians and 73 books of the roman catholic. And several portion of the testament was taken from the roman catholic, so several pagan ways may have been indoctrinated into the religion!

Even the roman catholic encyclopedia admits the bible has been ALTERED!

The Bible's own theologians even admit that the bible contains "fictions", its original manuscripts "had been lost", and contains "fairy tails and fables".

And all these are facts!...no hearsay!!

Crocz:

Did I dispute Jesus is christ?...what I said is that the sons of mithras call their god christ too!

And honouring a pagan day by making people rejoice in it as Jesus birthday, IMO, is absolutely wrong!..go to church and see the kind of songs they sing on such day, like "Today he's born" and so on..again, the symbols of chariot, Santa clause attire and Jesus holding a lamb on his shoulders are pagan too....and I'm finding it difficult to strike a balance between this two:
Is Jesus son of God?..or
Is Jesus God?

First thing first: The 'songs' that are rendered on Christmas day are called CAROLS. Secondly, it is quite obvious you don't know much about Mithras. Lemme help you: Mithras is Zoroastrian tradition and Persian mythology; what you claim it carries is not a Lamb but a BULL, which he is said to have slain before FERTILIZING the world with its blood. Mithras was never described as christ. Mithras was Persian's god of the sun/light, just like Aton is to Egypt. He was never called Christ because Mithras was only a myth.

The word Christmas entered the English language around 1050 as the Old English Phrase "Christes Maesse" meaning "Festival of Christ"

Although the Gospels describe Jesus's birth in detail, they never mention the date, so historians do not know on what date he was born. The Roman Catholic church chose December 25 as the day of the Feast of the Nativity in order to give Christian meaning to existing pagan rituals. The church replaced festivities honouring the birth of Mithra with festivities to commemorate the birth of Jesus, whom the Bible calls the Light of the world. The Catholic church hoped to draw pagans into its relgion by allowing them to continue their revelry whil simultaneously honouring the birthday of Jesus.


#Shalom!

Sanchez01:
First thing first: The 'songs' that are rendered on Christmas day are called CAROLS. Secondly, it is quite obvious you don't know much about Mithras. Lemme help you: Mithras is Zoroastrian tradition and Persian mythology; what you claim it carries is not a Lamb but a BULL, which he is said to have slain before FERTILIZING the world with its blood. Mithras was never described as christ. Mithras was Persian's god of the sun/light, just like Aton is to Egypt. He was never called Christ because Mithras was only a myth.

The word Christmas entered the English language around 1050 as the Old English Phrase "Christes Maesse" meaning "Festival of Christ"

Although the Gospels describe Jesus's birth in detail, they never mention the date, so historians do not know on what date he was born. The Roman Catholic church chose December 25 as the day of the Feast of the Nativity in order to give Christian meaning to existing pagan rituals. The church replaced festivities honouring the birth of Mithra with festivities to commemorate the birth of Jesus, whom the Bible calls the Light of the world. The Catholic church hoped to draw pagans into its relgion by allowing them to continue their revelry whil simultaneously honouring the birthday of Jesus.


#Shalom!

He slain a bull, yes...but never carried a bull on his shoulder...he was seen carrying a lamb on his shoulder thou
Mithras is also called christ by "it's" worshippers!

And what did you mean by "continue their revelry whil simultaneously honouring the birthday of Jesus"?...you mean they were never full converts?...and they had to compromise in order to accept christianity?
Whatever you say, doesn't make it RIGHT!

Just In Case: Jesus is the true and only Christ!