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Re: Does Christainity Encourage Intolerance And Arrogance? by texanomaly(f): 11:07pm On Aug 29, 2014 |
Ubenedictus: Ok Ubenedictus: To literally conquer death, and atone for our sins. Ubenedictus: Yup Ubenedictus: "Some" being the key word. Ubenedictus: I take it you don't do sarcasm. I was being facetious. Ubenedictus: Religious relativism is a crock of s***. Like I said: texanomaly: No...they can't ALL be right. I still think many have "some" truth though. Ubenedictus: It is not possible. Ubenedictus: I don't know what to believe anymore. Some days I think we are all just fvcked. Ubenedictus: Yup Ubenedictus: Who knows? |
Re: Does Christainity Encourage Intolerance And Arrogance? by texanomaly(f): 11:13pm On Aug 29, 2014 |
Tovot: True faith demands a lot of action and prayer. You should pray that GOD shows you and grants you the Grace to do the right things. Thanks Tovie. |
Re: Does Christainity Encourage Intolerance And Arrogance? by texanomaly(f): 12:30am On Aug 31, 2014 |
Ubenedictus: Blanket accusations are always inaccurate. I'm sure there are some who are intolerant, but there are many who aren't. Ubenedictus: I already defined arrogance. Let's try intolerance. Tolerate: verb allow the existence, occurrence, or practice of (something that one does not necessarily like or agree with) without interference. It amazes me how many people think I must agree with them in order to be tolerant. I really like the quote Scyllapatron posted by Mahatma Gandhi "I like your Christ, I do not like your chiristians, your christians are so unlike your Christ" Even though I disagree with including all followers of Christ, I get his gist. Many Christians can be the most hypocritical people on earth. It is so easy to generalize, and bunch a group of people into what we want to see them as. Especially if we disagree with them some how. Unfortunately it is human nature to fear what we don't understand. Many of us get so wrapped up in our fear, we begin to hate it. That is where intolerance and arrogance begin to infiltrate our hearts and our minds. It is the point where Christ-like attributes begin to wane, and fear and loathing take over. The unknown causes fear. Fear causes intolerance. Intolerance causes arrogance. Maybe this thread should have been titled; Does Ignorance and Stu.pidity cause Religious Intolerance and Arrogance. 1 Like |
Re: Does Christainity Encourage Intolerance And Arrogance? by macof(m): 1:11pm On Aug 31, 2014 |
texanomaly:The actions you speak of are all about the Bible Being a bad Christian, doesn't make anyone a non-Christian And as an ex-Christian I know there's little Faith in christianity, it is Hope you all exercise and call faith |
Re: Does Christainity Encourage Intolerance And Arrogance? by texanomaly(f): 1:38pm On Aug 31, 2014 |
macof: You are right. I was wrong. I thought I said "so called" Christian, not that they were "not" Christians. If I said "not" I was wrong. macof: It would be silly of me to deny the bolded statement since it is Biblical. Hebrews 11:1King James Version (KJV) Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Even the dictionary definition basically says the same thing. faith [feyth] noun 1. confidence or trust in a person or thing: faith in another's ability. 2. belief that is not based on proof: He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact. I do not deny that faith is based on hope. |
Re: Does Christainity Encourage Intolerance And Arrogance? by Ubenedictus(m): 8:34pm On Sep 06, 2014 |
texanomaly:among those who are intolerant will you consider religious teaching as a contributing factor to this intolerance? I already defined arrogance. Let's try intolerance.interesting take. Do you think religion may fan those flames of fear? let me paint a picture not too far from every day life, a good portion of the american population see nothing wrong with abortion, the goverment requires that the employer cover the abortions of their employee (health insurance). This is an idea many christian disagree with. Would you say the Christian should be tolerant in this situation (allow the govt implement this policy even though the christian disagrees)? The question may seem strange, i'm trying to ask, do you remain tolerant when the issue involves you? Will you allow such policies be implimented even though you disagree? I realise the picture isn't a good one. |
Re: Does Christainity Encourage Intolerance And Arrogance? by Ubenedictus(m): 8:47pm On Sep 06, 2014 |
texanomaly:the bible seems to say there is an added layer to this, it talks of reconciling man and God and man to man... Making the beliver a heir of the Kingdom a child of GOD thru the spirit of adoption and a brother with Christ. Do you accept those layers? Yupit is hard to detect sacasm in written form. Religious relativism is a crock of s***. Like I said: we ar all fvcked doesn't cut it... I think it is irrational and irresponsible to accept been fvcked, knowlegde is within our grasp.... And i think you should try and iron out your thought. It was pretty hard for me to even establish a baseline on what you believe. |
Re: Does Christainity Encourage Intolerance And Arrogance? by texanomaly(f): 8:56pm On Sep 06, 2014 |
Give me a minute. I'm working on my reply. I'm not near my computer. It may take a while with my phone. |
Re: Does Christainity Encourage Intolerance And Arrogance? by texanomaly(f): 9:04pm On Sep 06, 2014 |
Ubenedictus: Yes Ubenedictus: Yes Ubenedictus: No...I would fight them. It is happening as we speak. The Supreme Court is starting to side with religion on some fronts. It's only a matter of time and perseverance. Look what "Hobby Lobby" accomplished. http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2014/06/supreme-court-hobby-lobby-decision |
Re: Does Christainity Encourage Intolerance And Arrogance? by texanomaly(f): 9:21pm On Sep 06, 2014 |
Ubenedictus: There is no need for adoption. We are the literal spirit children of God. He is our father. Jesus is our brother. It is the Abrahamic covenant we must be adopted into. Gentiles are not a part of that covenant. Ubenedictus: You are right. I am still working some things out for myself. I guess my sarcasm may have gone a bit too far there. To be honest I was a somewhat frustrated. I am not in the habit of using the "F" word. Sorry. It would be difficult to tell you everything I believe in a few short paragraphs. |
Re: Does Christainity Encourage Intolerance And Arrogance? by texanomaly(f): 9:27pm On Sep 06, 2014 |
This is probably a good place to mention that I don't completely agree that the Bible is translated correctly. It is also apparent, to me, that Man tends to translate it the way he sees fit. No one religion believes the same as any other. Even among Christians. 1 Like |
Re: Does Christainity Encourage Intolerance And Arrogance? by macof(m): 1:26pm On Sep 08, 2014 |
texanomaly: This is probably a good place to mention that I don't completely agree that the Bible is translated correctly. It is also apparent, to me, that Man tends to translate it the way he sees fit. No one religion believes the same as any other. Even among Christians. That is because religious doctrines are only ideas nothing Divine a universal divinity would manifest the way to everybody 1 Like |
Re: Does Christainity Encourage Intolerance And Arrogance? by TheBigUrban2: 8:37pm On Sep 08, 2014 |
Ubenedictus: Calling a bigot a bigot is not an insult. And you are yet to show the amazing level of arrogance that I displayed on this thread. Do you need me to prove your bigotry? Hmmm? |
Re: Does Christainity Encourage Intolerance And Arrogance? by Ubenedictus(m): 5:51pm On Sep 16, 2014 |
TheBigUrban2: i know you want to. So you are free to "prove my bigotry". Expecting an interesting post. |
Re: Does Christainity Encourage Intolerance And Arrogance? by Ubenedictus(m): 5:56pm On Sep 16, 2014 |
macof: not exactly true. I have seen 10 different people discribe the same experience in 10 different ways. Infact if a big angel were to appear in the sky with the banner "there is God", i'll expect that by the next week the number of different religion would simply iincrease by exponential 100. Everybody will see the same thing differently. |
Re: Does Christainity Encourage Intolerance And Arrogance? by Ubenedictus(m): 6:05pm On Sep 16, 2014 |
texanomaly: This is probably a good place to mention that I don't completely agree that the Bible is translated correctly. It is also apparent, to me, that Man tends to translate it the way he sees fit. No one religion believes the same as any other. Even among Christians. i donot know any christian who accepts all translations equally. The bible is not always translated correctly. 1 Like |
Re: Does Christainity Encourage Intolerance And Arrogance? by Ubenedictus(m): 6:09pm On Sep 16, 2014 |
texanomaly: i'll address this later. You are right. I am still working some things out for myself. I guess my sarcasm may have gone a bit too far there. To be honest I was a somewhat frustrated. I am not in the habit of using the "F" word. Sorry.then i guess i use the "F" word more frequently compared to you, i have little problems with the "f" word unless when used in insult. |
Re: Does Christainity Encourage Intolerance And Arrogance? by Ubenedictus(m): 6:11pm On Sep 16, 2014 |
texanomaly: ok.... Then you'll agree that in certain people and at certain time, christian doctrines and teachings may fuel intolerance and arrogance? |
Re: Does Christainity Encourage Intolerance And Arrogance? by texanomaly(f): 6:32pm On Sep 16, 2014 |
Ubenedictus: Ummm...I'm feeling a little intimidated. |
Re: Does Christainity Encourage Intolerance And Arrogance? by texanomaly(f): 6:33pm On Sep 16, 2014 |
Ubenedictus: Sure |
Re: Does Christainity Encourage Intolerance And Arrogance? by Ubenedictus(m): 6:40pm On Sep 16, 2014 |
texanomaly: nah... Don't be... This isn't a preaching thread, i won't attempt to convince you. I'll simply ask questions. |
Re: Does Christainity Encourage Intolerance And Arrogance? by texanomaly(f): 6:46pm On Sep 16, 2014 |
Ubenedictus:. Cool. However, I am interested in what you believe. All these different takes on the same book fascinate me. |
Re: Does Christainity Encourage Intolerance And Arrogance? by texanomaly(f): 6:47pm On Sep 16, 2014 |
Hey skeeter |
Re: Does Christainity Encourage Intolerance And Arrogance? by Ubenedictus(m): 10:20pm On Sep 16, 2014 |
texanomaly: how do you interprete this passage? Ephesians 1:5 - Having predestinated us unto the adoption of sons (children) by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, the seems to say that it is through Jesus Christ that we become Children of God and that the status is by adoption. What do you think? |
Re: Does Christainity Encourage Intolerance And Arrogance? by Ubenedictus(m): 10:50pm On Sep 16, 2014 |
These may seem a bit much, just take them one at a time. Galatians 4:4-7 - But when the time had fully come, God sent forth his Son, born of a woman, born under the law, to redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. this seem to say the Christ was born that we might recieve adoption as sons.... Do we recieve what we already have? Why are we adopted if we are already natural sons? What do you think? Romans 8:14-19 - For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. Galatians 3:26 - For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. Romans 8:15 - For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. the first passage seems to say that it is those who have the holyspirit who are God's children not necessarily everyone, the 2nd one seems to say the son status doesn't come naturally but by faith, and the 3rd again say this sonship recieved by faith is an adopted sonship...or so i think, what do u think? John 1:12 - But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name: so i think my question is are we just natural son or do we receive sonship by faith in christ Jesus? Ok i'll allow you address these before i add more. |
Re: Does Christainity Encourage Intolerance And Arrogance? by texanomaly(f): 2:06am On Sep 17, 2014 |
First, I have to say, "Why do I get involed in religious discussions/debates?" I hate them. I just want to believe what I believe and be left alone, but here I go again. Every time I say I will stay out of the religion section I get pulled back in by something I find interesting. SMH The word “adoption” is used throughout the Scriptures to describe the relationship between God and His children. Many Christians believe that they are God’s sons by adoption. But does the Bible really say that? Where did the word “Adoption” come from? It was translated from the Greek word huiothesia. Huiothesia is a combination of two words. Those words are huios (“son, child, descendant”) and tithemi (“to place, put; to set, appoint, decided, arrange”). Huiothesia may mean "sonship" or "adoption". To be honest, I don't care who believes what. I only care that "you/we" are strong enough to search, ponder and pray about what we believe and not just take everything we hear to be gospel without a thought. Many words in the Bible have been translated incorrectly. Who's to say which words are correct and which are not? Which parts are allegory and which parts are to be taken literally? One group says "this". Another group says "that". All say they have the "truth". In the end we must search, ponder and pray. Never just believe whatever is taught. I believe what I believe. You believe what you will. I'm good with that. I was raised in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Many say Mormon. Some say LDS. Throughout my childhood and young adulthood, I was a staunch believer in LDS teachings. I'm not sure I still believe all I was taught growing up, but there are many teaching my heart still clings to. I do know for sure that I believe this statement made by Robert L. Millet, former dean of religious education at Brigham Young University. "Latter-day Saints do not believe that the answer to the world’s problems is ultimately to be found in more extravagant social programs or stronger legislation. Most or all of these ills have moral or spiritual roots. In the spirit of the brotherhood and sisterhood of humankind, is it not possible to lay aside theological differences long enough to address the staggering social issues in our troubled world? My recent interactions with men and women of various faiths have had a profound impact on me; they have broadened my horizons dramatically and reminded me — a sobering reminder we all need once in a while — that we are all sons and daughters of the same Eternal Father. We may never resolve our differences on the Godhead or the Trinity, on the spiritual or corporeal nature of Deity or on the sufficiency or inerrancy of the Bible, but we can agree that there is a God; that the ultimate transformation of society will come only through the application of moral and religious solutions to pressing issues; and that the regeneration of individual hearts and souls is foundational to the restoration of virtue in our communities and nations. One need not surrender cherished religious values or doctrines in order to be a better neighbor, a more caring citizen, a more involved municipal." http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/what-mormons-believe-about-jesus-christ With this post, I'm done. I've said it before, and I'm sure I'll get drawn in again, but still, I tire O. 2 Likes |
Re: Does Christainity Encourage Intolerance And Arrogance? by UyiIredia(m): 8:00pm On Sep 17, 2014 |
texanomaly: While not ignoring what you wrote I have to say tyhis quote is one of the best I've come across. I'll try and remember it because it is profound |
Re: Does Christainity Encourage Intolerance And Arrogance? by texanomaly(f): 8:03pm On Sep 17, 2014 |
UyiIredia: I think so too. |
Re: Does Christainity Encourage Intolerance And Arrogance? by logicboy01: 8:11pm On Sep 17, 2014 |
UyiIredia: Stop being a white knight. |
Re: Does Christainity Encourage Intolerance And Arrogance? by logicboy01: 8:12pm On Sep 17, 2014 |
texanomaly: Be very careful with Uyi. |
Re: Does Christainity Encourage Intolerance And Arrogance? by texanomaly(f): 8:13pm On Sep 17, 2014 |
logicboy01: Leave him alone. 1 Like |
Re: Does Christainity Encourage Intolerance And Arrogance? by texanomaly(f): 8:14pm On Sep 17, 2014 |
logicboy01: Why? |
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