Abdulsalam20: U TRIED TO DODGE THE ALLEGDED ANTI CHRIST THAT YOU ARE WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT MARRIAGE A LADY IS DEEM FIT FOR MARRIAGE WHEN SHE ATTAIN PUBERTY EVEN THIS HAS BEEN WIDELY PRACTICED IN MANY COUNTRIES
NOW I WILL EXPLAIN THE FACT FOR U IN DETAIL BELOW

Apart from Muslim countries - which other countries allow 6 year old girls to get married?

Nowhere did the Bible talk about Muhammad or islam. Muslims fabricated it. Jesus said Moses and other prophets spoke concerning Him, not Muhammad:

And beginning at Moses and ALL prophets, he (Jesus) expounded unto them in ALL the Scriptures [/b]the things concerning [b]HIMSELF (Luke 24:27).

And he (Jesus) said unto them, these are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were WRITTEN in the law of Moses and the PROPHETS and in psalms concerning ME (Jesus). Luke 24:44

Matthew 21:43: 43 Therefore I tell you, "the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a different nation" producing the fruits of it.

Who was Jesus addressing in that verse? The answered is in verse 45: "And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them". Therefore Jesus was addressing the chief priests and Pharisees as a NATION. The kingdom was actually taken away from them and given to the Christian as a NATION.

Referring to the Christians to whom the Kingdom has been given, the bible says: But ye are a chosen generation, a ROYAL PRIESTHOOD, an HOLY NATION, a peculiar people......(I Peter 2:9).

A study of the verse reveals: PRIESTHOOD has been transferred from the Priests and Pharisees to the Christians as a HOLY NATION.

eyeopener: Nowhere did the Bible talk about Muhammad or islam. Muslims fabricated it. Jesus said Moses and other prophets spoke concerning Him, not Muhammad:

And beginning at Moses and ALL prophets, he (Jesus) expounded unto them in ALL the Scriptures [/b]the things concerning [b]HIMSELF (Luke 24:27).

And he (Jesus) said unto them, these are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were WRITTEN in the law of Moses and the PROPHETS and in psalms concerning ME (Jesus). Luke 24:44




Who was Jesus addressing in that verse? The answered is in verse 45: "And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them". Therefore Jesus was addressing the chief priests and Pharisees as a NATION. The kingdom was actually taken away from them and given to the Christian as a NATION.

Referring to the Christians to whom the Kingdom has been given, the bible says: But ye are a chosen generation, a ROYAL PRIESTHOOD, an HOLY NATION, a peculiar people......(I Peter 2:9).

A study of the verse reveals: PRIESTHOOD has been transferred from the Priests and Pharisees to the Christians as a HOLY NATION.

YOU LIED JESUS WAS NEVER A RULER DURING HIS LIFE TIME U EVEN MISINTERPRETED THE VERSE

Jesus said to the Jews: "Therefore say I unto
you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and
given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. (From
the KJV Bible, Matthew 21:43) "
(According to the Apocalypse of Peter, this nation
would come from the Arabs)
What other nation beside the modern Muslims of today
bow down to GOD Almighty in the most proper way? What
other nation beside the modern Muslims Glorify GOD
Almighty in their 5-daily Prayers, and fast the Month of
Ramadan for Him?
Let's look at what GOD Almighty said about Ishmael, the
father of the Muslims: "And God said, Sarah thy wife shall
bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac:
and I will establish my covenant with him for an
everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him. And as
for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed
him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him
exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will
make him a great nation. But my covenant will I establish
with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set
time in the next year. (From the KJV Bible, Genesis
17:19-21) "
The Jews were GOD Almighty's chosen people: "We did
aforetime grant to the Children of Israel the Book the
Power of Command, and Prophethood; We gave them, for
Sustenance, things good and pure; and We favoured them
above the nations. (The Noble Quran, 45:16) "
But after they utterly failed with GOD Almighty and His
Messengers (Not Moses ever liked their actions, nor Jesus
ever liked them and their killings of the Prophets):
"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets,
and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often
would I have gathered thy children together, even as a
hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye
would not! (From the KJV Bible, Matthew 23:37) "
"You have heard these things; look at them all. Will you
not admit them? "From now on I will tell you of new
things, of hidden things unknown to you. They are created
now, and not long ago; you have not heard of them
before today. So you cannot say, 'Yes, I knew of them.'
You have neither heard nor understood; from of old your
ear has not been open. Well do I know how treacherous
you are; you were called a rebel from birth. For my own
name's sake I delay my wrath; for the sake of my praise I
hold it back from you, so as not to cut you off. (From the
NIV Bible, Isaiah 48:6-9) "
"So I will disgrace the dignitaries of your temple, and I
will consign Jacob to destruction and Israel to scorn.
(From the NIV Bible, Isaiah 43:28) "
"But now, all you who light fires and provide yourselves
with flaming torches, go, walk in the light of your fires and
of the torches you have set ablaze. This is what you shall
receive from my hand: You will lie down in torment.
(From the NIV Bible, Isaiah 50:11) "
They became cursed, and GOD Almighty removed His
Kingdom from them and gave it to another nation. That
nation is non other than the "blessed" Muslims who came
from the "blessed" Ishmael.
The liars of the NIV Bible had inserted a forgery into their
English translation. In Genesis 16:11-12, they inserted a
cheap name-calling "wild ass" for Ishmael, while the
original scripts in the King James Version Bible called him
"wild man":
"And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art
with child and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name
Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction. And
he will be a wild man ; his hand will be against every man,
and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in
the presence of all his brethren. (From the KJV Bible,
Genesis 16:11-12) "
Ishmael was a wild man, and a "blessed" one by GOD
Almighty (Gen. 17:19-21). He fought the pagan Arabs who
practiced brutal slavery and degradation of women. It
was part of the pagan Arabs' custom to bury daughters
alive at the age of 4, because a birth of a female brought
shame to the family. Many pagan Arabs used to practice
it.
Ironically, the New Jerusalem Bible also agrees with this
ridiculous pagan practice: "....and the birth of ANY
daughter is a loss. (From the New Jerusalem Bible,
Ecclesiasticus 22:3 )"
The "blessed" Ishmael peace be upon him was Allah
Almighty's Apostle: "And Isma'il and Elisha, and Jonas, and
Lot: and to all We gave favour above the nations: (The
Noble Quran, 6:86) "
"Also mention in the Book (the story of) Isma'il: He was
(strictly) true to what he promised, and he was an apostle
(and) a prophet. (The Noble Quran, 19:54) "
Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him has a direct
blood relationship with Prophet Ishmael peace be upon
him. Before Prophet Muhammad became a Prophet at the
age of 40, he was a well-respected and honored person
among his people. The pagans used him to judge between
their affairs. They also used to trust him with their
wealth. He was called "Al-Sadiq, Al-Ameen", which means
"The Honest, the Trust Worthy" .
When Prophet Muhammad became the Messenger of Allah
Almighty, he brought the Divine Religion of Islam that
ended the Judeo-Christian and pagan brutal slavery, lifted
the status of women and gave them their rights , and
brought Justice, Light and Mercy to the Arabs and to the
Muslims world-wide.

Abdulsalam20: YOU LIED JESUS WAS NEVER A RULER DURING HIS LIFE TIME U EVEN MISINTERPRETED THE VERSE

Jesus said to the Jews: "Therefore say I unto
you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and
given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. (From
the KJV Bible, Matthew 21:43) "
(According to the Apocalypse of Peter, this nation
would come from the Arabs)
What other nation beside the modern Muslims of today
bow down to GOD Almighty in the most proper way? What
other nation beside the modern Muslims Glorify GOD
Almighty in their 5-daily Prayers, and fast the Month of
Ramadan for Him?
Let's look at what GOD Almighty said about Ishmael, the
father of the Muslims: "And God said, Sarah thy wife shall
bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac:
and I will establish my covenant with him for an
everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him. And as
for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed
him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him
exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will
make him a great nation. But my covenant will I establish
with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set
time in the next year. (From the KJV Bible, Genesis
17:19-21) "
The Jews were GOD Almighty's chosen people: "We did
aforetime grant to the Children of Israel the Book the
Power of Command, and Prophethood; We gave them, for
Sustenance, things good and pure; and We favoured them
above the nations. (The Noble Quran, 45:16) "
But after they utterly failed with GOD Almighty and His
Messengers (Not Moses ever liked their actions, nor Jesus
ever liked them and their killings of the Prophets):
"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets,
and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often
would I have gathered thy children together, even as a
hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye
would not! (From the KJV Bible, Matthew 23:37) "
"You have heard these things; look at them all. Will you
not admit them? "From now on I will tell you of new
things, of hidden things unknown to you. They are created
now, and not long ago; you have not heard of them
before today. So you cannot say, 'Yes, I knew of them.'
You have neither heard nor understood; from of old your
ear has not been open. Well do I know how treacherous
you are; you were called a rebel from birth. For my own
name's sake I delay my wrath; for the sake of my praise I
hold it back from you, so as not to cut you off. (From the
NIV Bible, Isaiah 48:6-9) "
"So I will disgrace the dignitaries of your temple, and I
will consign Jacob to destruction and Israel to scorn.
(From the NIV Bible, Isaiah 43:28) "
"But now, all you who light fires and provide yourselves
with flaming torches, go, walk in the light of your fires and
of the torches you have set ablaze. This is what you shall
receive from my hand: You will lie down in torment.
(From the NIV Bible, Isaiah 50:11) "
They became cursed, and GOD Almighty removed His
Kingdom from them and gave it to another nation. That
nation is non other than the "blessed" Muslims who came
from the "blessed" Ishmael.
The liars of the NIV Bible had inserted a forgery into their
English translation. In Genesis 16:11-12, they inserted a
cheap name-calling "wild ass" for Ishmael, while the
original scripts in the King James Version Bible called him
"wild man":
"And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art
with child and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name
Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction. And
he will be a wild man ; his hand will be against every man,
and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in
the presence of all his brethren. (From the KJV Bible,
Genesis 16:11-12) "
Ishmael was a wild man, and a "blessed" one by GOD
Almighty (Gen. 17:19-21). He fought the pagan Arabs who
practiced brutal slavery and degradation of women. It
was part of the pagan Arabs' custom to bury daughters
alive at the age of 4, because a birth of a female brought
shame to the family. Many pagan Arabs used to practice
it.
Ironically, the New Jerusalem Bible also agrees with this
ridiculous pagan practice: "....and the birth of ANY
daughter is a loss. (From the New Jerusalem Bible,
Ecclesiasticus 22:3 )"
The "blessed" Ishmael peace be upon him was Allah
Almighty's Apostle: "And Isma'il and Elisha, and Jonas, and
Lot: and to all We gave favour above the nations: (The
Noble Quran, 6:86) "
"Also mention in the Book (the story of) Isma'il: He was
(strictly) true to what he promised, and he was an apostle
(and) a prophet. (The Noble Quran, 19:54) "
Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him has a direct
blood relationship with Prophet Ishmael peace be upon
him. Before Prophet Muhammad became a Prophet at the
age of 40, he was a well-respected and honored person
among his people. The pagans used him to judge between
their affairs. They also used to trust him with their
wealth. He was called "Al-Sadiq, Al-Ameen", which means
"The Honest, the Trust Worthy" .
When Prophet Muhammad became the Messenger of Allah
Almighty, he brought the Divine Religion of Islam that
ended the Judeo-Christian and pagan brutal slavery, lifted
the status of women and gave them their rights , and
brought Justice, Light and Mercy to the Arabs and to the
Muslims world-wide.

Debating you is useless - you have no clue about your own Islamic history

cloudstar:

Debating you is useless - you have no clue about your own Islamic history

YEAH BECAUSE U CAN NEVER HIDE THE TRUTH ALL WHAT I POSTED IS WITH REFERENCE SO NO LOOPHOLE EXCEPT IF U WILL DERAIL AND I AM EQULLY READY.........INDEED ISLAM HAS BEEN PERFECTED BY GOD

Abdulsalam20:
YEAH BECAUSE U CAN NEVER HIDE THE TRUTH ALL WHAT I POSTED IS WITH REFERENCE SO NO LOOPHOLE EXCEPT IF U WILL DERAIL AND I AM EQULLY READY.........INDEED ISLAM HAS BEEN PERFECTED BY GOD

You are not making any sense Bros - in a debate, we tackle agreed upon topics. If you have claims and you want us to debate them; when we respond; please tackle our response and don't post the same thing.

Islam is what it is - Boko Haram, ISIS, wife beating, child marriage, shia and Sunni fighting and killing one another.

cloudstar:

You are not making any sense Bros - in a debate, we tackle agreed upon topics. If you have claims and you want us to debate them; when we respond; please tackle our response and don't post the same thing.

Islam is what it is - Boko Haram, ISIS, wife beating, child marriage, shia and Sunni fighting and killing one another.

I TACKLED UR RESPONSE BECAUSE WHAT I BELIEVE IS THAT IF U CAN READ WHAT IPOSTED VERY WELL IF U CAN READ IT IN BETWEEN THE LINE YOU WILL UNDERSTAND WHAT I AM SAYING...........AND EVEN IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A PERSON WHO IS NOT GOOD IN DEBATE IT SHOULD BE YOU BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION BUT YOU NEVER ANSWER MINE

CHECK MY SIGNATURE THAT IS ENOUGH TO TACKLE BOKO HARAM AND ISIS
Islam commands justice and kindness towards women:
"O you who believe, it is not lawful for you to take women as heritage against (their) will. Nor
should you straiten them by taking part of what you have given them, unless they are guilty
of manifest indecency. And treat them kindly. Then if you hate them, it may be that you dislike
a thing while Allah has placed abundant good in it."
The Holy Qur'an Ch.4:19 (The Women)
In the above verse, Allah tells the Muslims that they cannot treat women like slaves, but must
act justly with them. The verse enjoins Muslims to treat women kindly and warns them that they
may hate a woman when Allah has “placed abundant good”, in her. Muslims are to be just kind
to women and they must be careful not to underestimate the worth of women because of
imperfections that are made up for by their much greater good traits. Muslims are not to exploit
women, be cruel to them nor take them for granted. These are the commands of Allah to “you
who believe.”
Relationship between the believing men and women:
“ And the believers, men and women are friends of one another. They enjoin good and
forbid evil and keep up prayer and pay the poor rate, and obey Allah and His Messenger. As
for these Allah will have mercy on them, Surely Allah is Mighty, Wise."
The Holy Qur'an Ch.9:71
Both Holy Qur'an and Authentic Hadith support kind treatment of women:
Other than the verse of the Holy Qur’an commanding kind treatment towards women, there are
also hadith on the subject matter.
“ The most perfect of the believers in faith is the best of them in moral excellence, and the best
of you are the kindest of you to their wives. ( TR. 10:11 )
“ Accept my advice in the matter of doing good to women.” ( BU. 67:81 ).
Muslim (15:19) has this hadith about the Farewell Pilgrimage address:
“ O my people! You have certain rights over your wives and so have your wives over you---
They are the trust of Allah in your hands, so you must treat them with all kindness.”
" Admonish your wives with kindness."
(Page 790, 8500 Precious Gems, Allahdin Publications)
“ A person who ill-treats his wife during the day and loves her at night, acts in complete
contradiction of the beauty of human nature.”
( Page 801, 8500 Precious Gems, - Allahdin Publications)
" Woman is fragile like glass, and men should therefore treat women with delicacy and
tenderness as they would handle an article made of glass."
( Page 801, 8500 Precious Gems, Allahdin Publications)
“The more civil and the kinder is a Muslim to his wife, the more perfect of faith he has; fear God
with reference to two meek beings, woman and orphan.”
The Holy Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, stressed kindness and
good treatment of wives. This is an echo of the Holy Qur’an, in the verse mentioned in the
beginning, as well as others:
“keep them in good fellowship, or let them go in kindness (2:229 )------“Retain them in kindness,
or set them free in kindness, and retain them not for injury.” ( 2:231 )
Overwhelmingly, the Holy Qur’an and authentic hadith command kind treatment of women, yet
there is one verse in the Holy Qur’an that has been taken to advocate the mistreatment of
women, especially by Non-Muslim critics.
The Holy Qur’an states:
“And as to those on whose part you fear desertion ( nushuz ), admonish them, and leave
them alone in the beds and chastise (wadribu-root dharaba ) them. So if they obey you, seek
not a way against them. Surely, Allah is ever Exalted, Great.” Ch.4:34
“ And If you fear a breach between the two, appoint an arbiter from his people and an arbiter
from her people. If they both desire agreement, Allah will effect harmony between them.
Surely Allah is ever Knowing, Aware.” Ch. 4:35
Obviously all the measures from admonishment to marriage counseling mentioned here are
attempts to save a marriage that is in danger of dissolution. If the chastisement in this verse
means beating one’s wife to an inch of her life, it is hard to see how that would contribute to
rejuvenating the marriage. On the contrary, it probably would destroy the marriage, by making
the wife hate her husband. It could end, the husband as well as the marriage; more than one
abused wife has killed her husband, or mutilated him. This is very bad advice and the Holy Qur’
an does not give bad advice.
The word, ‘Dharaba ’ (chastise), does not suggest repetitive or intense beating:
The word, “ Dharaba ”, translated as “chastise”, is in the singular, so only one strike is allowed.
Page 106 If (2 R’s or R’s rather than one) “ Dharraba ”, had been used, it would have meant to
strike repeatedly on intensely. That word was not used in this verse. “ Dharaba ”, can mean also
“to set an example.”
Asma Barlas quotes Amina Wadud that this verse,” should be read as prohibiting unchecked
violence against females. Thus this is not a permission, but a severe restriction of existing
practices.” ("Believing Women" in Islam', Asma Barlas, . U. of Tx. Press, Austin, 2002.)
The chastising mentioned in the verse apparently was symbolic, a way for the husband to
express his displeasure for serious misconduct on the part of the wife. Barlas writes that,
“Tradition holds that the gesture should not cause pain. Hence some exegetes favor using a
folded handkerchief. She notes that ‘dharaba ’ also means to prevent further gross misbehavior
by making clear the husband’s unhappiness with his wife’s behavior.” ( Page 188, Barlas)
Ibn Abbas, a companion of the Holy Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, said
that the chastisement could be with a toothbrush, or something similar. The Holy Prophet,
according to Tirmidhi (10:11 ) said, “ You have a right in the matter of your wives that you do
not allow anyone whom you not like to come in to your houses. If they do this, chastise them in
such a manner that it should not leave an impression.”
When some women complained of their husbands ill treating them, the Prophet, said,
according to Abu Daud (12:42) , “ You will not find these men as the best among you.”
John Esposito writes, “ Muhammad’s wife Aisha narrated that, “Muhammad never physically
struck anyone with his own hand. Neither the Qur’an nor the Hadith record Muhammad as ever
mistreating or losing his temper with any of his wives, even when he was unhappy or
dissatisfied.” (Page 106, Esposito 'What everyone needs to know about Islam', 2002)
In the major hadith collections---hadith about striking, all emphasize that striking should be
done in such a way as not to cause pain or harm. The Founder of the Shafi Law School
maintained that it is preferable to avoid striking altogether. Despite the fact that domestic
violence continued to exist in male dominated cultures and to be legitimated in the name of
religion, neither the majority of Quranic verse, nor the hadith support or permit it. (Page 107,
Esposito)

Women in Christianity and Islam:
We Muslims are well aware of the fact that Muslim women
are objects of derision and mockery especially in the
Western world. Women in Islam are portrayed to be
"oppressed" and "inferior" by many Westerners.
However, most of the Westerners I've heard this from are
usually Christian. It is amazing how many verses the
Christian bible has which supports Islamic treatment of
women, among other issues. Here is a small list I would
like to share with all of you. Please memorize it and
defend the truth from those who make a mockery out of it!
You will also know that the christian bible degrades the
female sex!
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ARE WOMEN OPPRESSED IN ISLAM?
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Islam: Women must cover their heads as a sign of
"modesty." It also serves as protection for the female.
Christianity: 1 CORINTHIANS 11:3-10 in the christian bible
orders women to cover their heads in prayers. These
verses further state that the male doesn't have to cover
his head because "female was made from male, and the
male not from the female." It further states that a woman
covering her head is a sign of male "authority."
Conclusion: Islam and Christianity both tell women to
cover their heads.
The main difference, however, is that women in Islam
cover their heads for purposes of "modesty." Christian
women cover their heads as a sign of "male authority." It
is clear that the bible gives women an inferior status,
whereas Islam doesn't.
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Islam: Adam and Eve (peace be upon them) were
EQUALLY responsible for eating from the "forbidden
tree." They both repented and were forgiven by the Most-
Forgiving and Most-Merciful Allahu ta'ala.
Christianity: Eve ate from the "forbidden tree" BEFORE
Adam did. Adam ate from the tree AFTER Eve did. The
woman was deceived FIRST. Because of EVE causing
Adam to sin by eating from the forbidden tree, the ground
is "cursed." God doesn't forgive them, but damns them
and humanity -- thanks to Eve (the woman)! ALL females
go through "pains of childbearing" as a punishment from
God -- because of EVE'S sin. All males have to go through
pains of eating from the ground, thanks to EVE. ALL
babies are born in SIN, thanks to EVE. All of this can be
found in GENESIS 2:4-3:24.
"Adam was not decieved but the woman was" (1 TIMOTHY
2:11-14)
"Woman will be ruled over by the male" (GENESIS 3:16)
In other words, thanks to a FEMALE, we are damned!
It is clear that in Christianity, the very first woman is
blamed for wrongdoing, but not the very first male.
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Islam: Quran orders us that we should not "bury
daughters alive."
Christianity: -"The birth of a daughter is a
loss" (ECCLESIASTICUS 22:3, Catholic Bible)
- Ritual impurity of a mother is TWICE as long if a female
is born and not a male. (LEVITICUS 12:2-5)
Is it not clear that Islam again gives a higher status to
females? What Islam came to eradicate -- the bad
treatment of females -- still continues in today's Protestant
and Catholic scriptures.
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ISLAM: Women can talk in the mosque.
CHRISTIANITY: -"It is a shame for women to talk in the
church." (1 CORINTHIANS 14:34-35)
If females cannot talk, then how are they supposed to
learn? Again, it is obvious that Islam gives the female a
higher status than the bible does.
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ISLAM: If the husband dies, then the wife may marry
another male by choice.
CHRISTIANITY: If the husband dies without impregnating
the wife, then the "brother" of the dead husband MUST
marry his wife. The female CANNOT marry anyone else,
but ONLY her dead husband's brother (DEUTERONOMY
25:5).
Islam gives the woman a choice to marry or not, and to
whom she want to marry, if her husband dies. In
Christianity (and Judaism), the woman has NO CHOICE,
but to marry her dead husband's brother. It is clear which
religion is oppressing women.

Deuteronomy 22:28-30 "If a man happens to meet a virgin
who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they
are discovered, he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of
silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He
can never divorce her as long as he lives."
(This verse was taken from the NIV Bible. The NIV Bible is
the most trusted and used Bible among Trinitanian
Christians. Many other authors of other bibles were
ashamed of this verse and changed the words "rapes her"
to words like "lay hold on her" or "seizes her and lies
down with her" . Other Bibles like the WE Bible removed
this verse completely, which is a total corruption !.)
One must ask a simple question here, who is really
punished, the man who raped the woman or the woman
who was raped? What is to prevent someone from finding
the best looking woman in town, raping her, telling
everyone about it, and then having the courts force her to
be his wife for the rest of her life?
We all hear about "date rapes" here in the US and Europe.
If the Christian groups from the "Army of God" who blow
abortion clinics in the US, or the owners of
www.godhatesfags.com ever rule their churches over the
state, then we will see things such as men brutally raping
the women they sexually desire the most on their dates,
then take these women to court and sue them and prove
that they raped them. Then marry them by force, and
continue raping them for the rest of their natural life.
This might sound harsh and mean to you, but in reality, it
is all allowed in the Bible, and this is how it would be if the
church from the Fundamentalist Christians rule over the
state. In the middle centuries, women in the Christian
societies had absolutely no value !!. They were only sex
objects controlled and played with by their masters, the
men.
Exodus 21:7-8 "And in case a man should sell his
daughter as a slave girl , she will not go out in the way
that the slave men go out. If she is displeasing in the eyes
of her master so that he doesn't designate her as a
concubine but causes her to be redeemed, he will not be
entitled to sell her to a foreign people in his treacherously
dealing with her."
Here in this verse we can see that fathers can easily and
freely sell their daughters as slaves to other men. The
other men are free to rape the daughters if they wish to do
so.
Deuteronomy 25:11-12 "And in case men struggle together
(in a fight) with one another, and the wife of the one has
come near to deliver her husband out of the striking one
(to save her husband), and she has thrust out her hand
and grabbed hold of his private (the other man's groin) ,
she must then get both her hands cut off, and the eyes of
the men must feel no sorrow. "
One has to ask himself a very simple question here: Why
should the wife who is trying to save her husband from
brutal beating by another man get both her hands cut off?
and why should we not have any mercy on her? Does this
sound inspired from God to you? Be honest with yourself.
Leviticus 21:9 "And the daughter of any priest, if she
profane herself by playing the LovePeddler, she profaneth her
father: she shall be burnt with fire. "
Why a priests daughter be burnt in fire just because her
father is a priest if she decides to act like a LovePeddler? Is this
fair? Should it make a difference whether or not a girl's
father is a priest or not?
Ecclesiastes 25:22 "Of the woman came the beginning of
sin, and through her we all die." (from the Catholics
Bible) Women in the Bible are considered evil !!!.
Ecclesiasticus 22:3 "....and the birth of ANY daughter is a
loss" (From the New Jerusalem Bible. It's a Roman
Catholics Bible); Roman Catholics today form more than
75% of the Christians population throughout the world.
Why should the Bible give stupid (with all respect to you)
generalizing statements like that about ALL women?
Leviticus 12:2-5 , if a woman gives birth to a baby boy, then
she becomes unclean for 7 days. But if she gives birth to a
baby girl, then she becomes unclean for 14 days. This
verse is another proof that women in the Bible are disliked
to be born !.
Ecclesiastics 7:26-28 "And I find more bitter than death
the woman who is a snare, whose heart is a trap and
whose hands are chains. The man who pleases God will
escape her, but the sinner she will ensnare....while I was
still searching but not finding, I found one upright man
among a thousand but not one upright woman among
them all". The Bible claims that it is impossible to find a
single good woman among a thousand women.
Let us examine the following two verses from the book
Leviticus:
Let us look at Leviticus 20:15 "If a man has sexual
relations with an animal, he must be put to death, and
you must kill the animal."
Let us look at Leviticus 20:16 "If a woman approaches an
animal to have sexual relations with it, kill both the
woman and the animal. They must be put to death; their
blood will be on their own heads."
Notice that in Leviticus 20:15 the man has to be caught
having sex with an animal in order for him to be put to
death. We have to be sure 100% beyond the shadow of the
doubt to kill him.
Notice however in Leviticus 20:16 that if a woman only
looks SUSPICIOUS and not necessarily get caught having
sex with an animal, she would still be put to death. We do
not have to be sure 100% beyond the shadow of the doubt
with her in order for us to kill her.
It is beyond question that Leviticus 20:15 and Leviticus
20:16 prove that the Bible prefers to put women to
death whenever an opportunity presents itself!
Also, who determines whether she was approaching the
animal for sex or not?
What ever happened to the "Beyond the shadow of the
doubt" court law!!
Further more in the Bible:
Genesis 3:12-16 "And the man (Adam) said, The woman
(Eve) whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the
tree, and I did eat. And the LORD God said unto the
woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman
said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat. And the
LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done
this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every
beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust
shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: And I will put enmity
between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and
her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his
heel. Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy
sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring
forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and
he shall rule over thee."

Here is what Islam teaches about women:

Qur'an (4:34) - "Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and BEAT THEM; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great."

Can you show us in the Bible, where Jesus taught that Christian men should beat their wives?

Qur'an (38:44) - "And take in your hand a green branch and BEAT HER with it, and do not break your oath..." Allah telling Job to beat his wife.

As if that is not enough, here is Mohammad punching his favorite wife:

Book 004, Number 2127 = Muhammad b. Qais said (to the people): Should I not narrate to you (a hadith of the Holy Prophet) on my authority and on the authority of my mother? We thought that he meant the mother who had given him birth. He (Muhammad b. Qais) then reported that it was 'A'isha who had narrated this: Should I not narrate to you about myself and about the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him)? We said: Yes. She said: When it was my turn for Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) to spend the night with me, he turned his side, put on his mantle and took off his shoes and placed them near his feet, and spread the corner of his shawl on his bed and then lay down till he thought that I had gone to sleep. He took hold of his mantle slowly and put on the shoes slowly, and opened the door and went out and then closed it lightly. I covered my head, put on my veil and tightened my waist wrapper, and then went out following his steps till he reached Baqi'. He stood there and he stood for a long time. He then lifted his hands three times, and then returned and I also returned. He hastened his steps and I also hastened my steps. He ran and I too ran. He came (to the house) and I also came (to the house). I, however, preceded him and I entered (the house), and as I lay down in the bed, he (the Holy Prophet) entered the (house), and said: Why is it, O 'A'isha, that you are out of breath? I said: There is nothing. He said: Tell me or the Subtle and the Aware would inform me. I said: Messenger of Allah, may my father and mother be ransom for you, and then I told him (the whole story). He said: Was it the darkness (of your shadow) that I saw in front of me? I said: Yes. He struck me on the chest which caused me pain, and then said: Did you think that Allah and His Apostle would deal unjustly with you? She said: Whatsoever the people conceal, Allah will know it. He said: Gabriel came to me when you saw me. He called me and he concealed it from you. I responded to his call, but I too concealed it from you (for he did not come to you), as you were not fully dressed. I thought that you had gone to sleep, and I did not like to awaken you, fearing that you may be frightened. He (Gabriel) said: Your Lord has commanded you to go to the inhabitants of Baqi' (to those lying in the graves) and beg pardon for them. I said: Messenger of Allah, how should I pray for them (How should I beg forgiveness for them)? He said: Say, Peace be upon the inhabitants of this city (graveyard) from among the Believers and the Muslims, and may Allah have mercy on those who have gone ahead of us, and those who come later on, and we shall, God willing, join you.

So, keep brain-washing yourself and talk about women equality in Islam.

YOU ARE STILL ASKING ME OF THE ERSE IN THE BIBE ABOUT BEATING WOMEN I GUESS YOU DIDDNT READ ALL MY POST BECAUSE IF YOU READ IT YOU SHOULD JUST BURY YOUR HEAD IN SHAME BECAUSE IT IS VERY WORST.........AND I EXPECT U TO DEFEND THEM AS I HAVE ALWAYS SAID I DONT REALLY EXPECT U TO ANSWER MY QUESTIONS BECAUSE I CERTAINLY KNOW THAT YOU CAN NEVER ANSWER THEM
AND I WILL ALWAYS ANSWER YOURS
QURAN CHAPTER 38 VS 44
PLS READ IT FRM VERSE 41
1:34 Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).1:41 Commemorate Our Servant Job. Behold he cried to his Lord: "The Evil One has afflicted me with distress and suffering!"1:42 (The command was given "Strike with thy foot: here is (water) wherein to wash, cool and refreshing, and (water) to drink."1:43 And We gave him (back) his people, and doubled their number,- as a Grace from Ourselves, and a thing for commemoration, for all who have Understanding.1:44 "And take in thy hand a little grass, and strike therewith: and break not (thy oath)." Truly We found him full of patience and constancy. How excellent in Our service! ever did he turn (to Us)!1:45 And commemorate Our Servants Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, possessors of Power and Vision.1:46 Verily We did choose them for a special (purpose)- proclaiming the Message of the Hereafter.1:47 They were, in Our sight, truly, of the company of the Elect and the Good.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE THE VERSES ARE TALKING ABOUT THE STRESS WENT THROUGH BY PROPHETS OF ALLAH
THEN WHY DID U EVEN WRONGLY QUOTE VERSE 44 SELF
CONCERNING THE HADITH YOU QUOTED HERE IS THE EXPLANATION

Answer to the mistranslation:
The term used in the hadith is:
Imam Nawawi in his Sharh states that:
The word "lahada" according to the lexicographers means, "to
push" (dafa'a).
The usage of the word "struck" is not a correct translation . Rather,
the phrase should be translated as (as Gf haddad said):
- He pushed my chest with a push that made me sore
Secondly, this calls to an important matter that is related to the
Hand imposition of the Prophet - Allah bless him - because it is a
gesture associated with driving away evil influence (waswâs) and
conferring blessing as the following reports show:
1. Ubay ibn Ka`b said: "There occurred in my mind a sort of denial
which did not occur even during the Days of Ignorance. When the
Messenger of Allah - Allah bless and greet him - saw how I was affected,
he slapped me on the chest. I broke into a sweat and felt as if I were
looking at Allâh in fear."
(Sahih Muslim)
2. Jarir ibn Abdullah Al Bajalî was sent by the Prophet - Allah bless
him - on a mission to destroy Dhu Al Kahalasa, the idol-house of
Khatham, nicknamed the Yemenite Kaba. Jarr narrates:
"I went along with a hundred and fifty horsemen but I could not sit
steadily on horse. I mentioned it to the Messenger of Allah - Allah bless
and greet him - who then struck his hand on my chest so hard that I
could see the trace of his fingers on it, saying: 'O Allah! Grant him
steadfastness and make him a guide of righteousness and a rightly-guided
one!' (Bukhari and Muslim)
More proof that the correct translation is
‘He pushed my chest with a push that made me sore’
Aaishah (Radhiallahu 'Anha) said: "Allaah's Messenger (Sallallahu
'Alaihi Wa Sallam) never hit anything with his hand ever, except
when fighting in the path of Allaah. Nor did he ever hit a servant
or a woman." [Recorded by Ibn Maajah. Al-Albaanee graded it
Saheeh.]
Wife-beating can’t be considered "in the Cause of Allaah" - the
reference in the Hadeeth is a reference to Jihaad on the battlefield.
"When the prohibitions of Allaah were violated" is a reference to
someone committing a crime, and their being tried and then punished
by flogging. This is not a reference to the way a husband should treat
his wife.
So here we clearly see in a sahih (authentic) hadith that Aisha clearly
told that the prophet ‘never hit a servent or a women’.
So this is also a clear proof that The usage of the word "struck" is not a
correct translation. Rather, the phrase should be translated as (as Gf
haddad said):
- He pushed my chest with a push that made me sore

Quran 4:34 “Men are the protectors and maintainers of
women, because Allah has made one of them to excel
(strength) the other, and because they spend (to support
them) from their means. Therefore the righteous women
are devoutly obedient (to Allah and to their husbands), and
guard in the husband’s absence what Allah orders them to
guard (e.g. their chastity, their husband’s property, etc.). As
to those women on whose part you see ill-conduct,
admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds,
(and last) beat them (lightly), but if they return to
obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance).
Surely, Allah is Ever Most High, Most Great.”
The claim by critics that ‘the Quran sanctions wife abuse’,
that a man can beat her wife black and blue for
disobedience any-time he wants, is a complete lie.
Firstly, there is a serious sequence of events that has to
take place before a husband can lightly beat his wife. When
the word ‘beat’ is mentioned in the passage, it is meant in
a symbolic way, it is meant to emotionally make the wife
think, what she is doing is wrong. It is important to point
out that the verse starts off with that men are protectors of
women, it says: “Men are the protectors and maintainers of
women, because Allah has made one of them to excel the
other (strength).” It is also crucial to show the fact that the
Quran describes three steps to be taken, before a husband
can symbolically, ‘lightly beat’ her. The verse does not start
off with ‘beat her whenever she disobeys’. The main aim of
the passage is to prevent (restrain) a husband from using
violence against his wife.
1.Qawwamuna – ‘Protectors and maintainers’
The passage begins by stating that men are ‘protectors
and maintainers’ of women, this straight away throws the
false argument held by critics that men in Islam are
allowed to abuse their wives. Also I would like to highlight
that the verse does not denote that men are superior to
their wives. The Arabic word ‘qawwamuna’ used in the
start of the verse literally means that men are “protectors
and maintainers’.
Dr. Ahmed K. Nazir comments on the word
‘Qawwam’ (‘qawwamuna’) in his book, he says:
“Some quote the verse 4:34 (Men are the protectors and
maintainers of women…) to say that, in Islam, men are the
bosses of women. This phrase does not mean that men are
the rulers or commanders of women. As human beings,
Islam gives equal status to both men and women. This
phrase means that men are protectors of women and they
are responsible to spend of their property for the support of
women. The Arabic word ‘Qawwam’ (protectors) means
‘One who stands firm in another’s business, protects his
interests, and looks after his affairs: or it may be, standing
form in his own business, managing affairs, with a steady
purpose.’” [1]
Thus, the Arabic word ‘Qawwamanu’ only means, to guard,
protect, maintain, take-care of, not what uneducated
missionaries have assumed that ‘men are masters over
their wives.’ We shall now bring forth further evidence for
the Arabic word ‘Qawwamanu’.
Encyclopaedic Dictionary of Religion: Q-Z gives the
meaning for the Arabic word Qawwam, it says:
“Qawwam: Qawwam or qayyim is a person responsible for
administering or supervising the affairs of either an
individual or an organization, for protecting and
safeguarding them and taking care of their needs.” [2]
We can see that the word ‘Qawwamuna’ is someone who is
a ‘protector and maintainer’ for the wife, a man who is
financially responsible for the family. God Almighty has
assigned men the role, to be a maintainer and guardian of
the household, taking care of the wife’s needs-i.e, food on
the plate, clothing, shelter and protecting her physically
and emotionally when she is down. This just goes to show
that women in the Quran are treated with dignity, and
commanded by God that they be protected.
2. Arabic word ‘Nushuz’
Next, the word ‘nushuz’. Dr. Ahmed Shafaat, who is a
commentator of the Quran gives a thorough, detailed
explanation on the word. He writes:
“As for those women on whose part you fear nushuz…”
Before we go any further with the translation, it is
important to explain the meaning of the key word nushuz.
The literal meaning of the word is “rebellion” . But rebellion
against whom and in what sense? We should certainly not
think of this in terms the rebellion of the ruled against a
ruler in a sultanate or dictatorship and conclude that it
consists of the wife disobeying some of the husband’s
commands. This is because the same word nushuz is used
in case of a husband in verse 128 of the same surah 4,
where it is said: “If a woman fears nushuz on her
husband’s part…” So nushuz is something that can be
feared by the husband on the wife’s part or by the wife on
her husband’s part. It cannot therefore be understood in
terms of the ruler-ruled relationship. To correctly
understand the meaning of the word, it must be noted that
both in the verse under consideration and in verse 128 the
reference to nushuz is followed by a reference to the break-
up of the marriage (see vv. 35, 130). If this context is kept
in mind, then it becomes evident that nushuz means the
type of behaviour on the part of the husband or the wife
which is so disturbing for the other that their living together
becomes difficult .
Now the behaviour of a marriage partner can become
disturbing for the other in one of the following two ways:
1) There is no ill-will on the part of the offending party. It is
simply because of some incompatibility between the two or
the failure on the part of one to understand the other that
one of them finds some aspect of the other’s behaviour
disturbing.
2) One partner knowingly behaves or continues to behave
in a way which seriously disturbs the other partner. In this
case there is obviously an ill-will on the part of the first
partner towards the second.
Nushuz is only this second type of behaviour, for only a
deliberate ill-conduct based on ill-will can be described as
“rebellion”.
There is also a measure of relativeness about nushuz in
the sense that what constitutes nushuz in the eyes of one
person may not be so viewed by another. For this reason,
the judgment that one’s spouse has been guilty of nushuz
is partly a subjective and personal one. That is why the
verse says: “If you fear nushuz…” instead of for example,
“if you find nushuz….” In the Holy Qur’an “fearing” signifies
subjective but certain, knowledge or judgment about
something.
In short, nushuz is a behaviour on the part of one marriage
partner which comes out of ill-will and seriously disturbs
the other partner. ( Source)
3. Speaking to your wife (1) and then separating beds (2)
It is also important to highlight to everyone that, when a
wife is disobedient, who is seriously disturbing the peace in
marriage. The husband has to first speak to her with gentle
words, to bring her to her senses that, what she is doing is
wrong. When the verbal complaint to the wife is exhausted
and she continuous. Then the Quran commands the
husband to separate beds with her, depriving her of her
sexual needs.
4. Arabic word ‘Iddribunnah’
The Arabic word ‘Iddribunnah’ for chapter 4 verse 34, has
been by many critics, especially Anti-Islam propagandists
websites twisted, distorted. They assume that this word
sanctions (approves) of wife abuse. When the word
‘iddribunnah’ is used for the passage (Q 4:34), which
means ‘beat’ (lightly), this final step the husband takes,
that he beats (lightly) her. When one looks at the verse, in a
historical perspective, it has always meant in a symbolic
way. The husband is not allowed to hurt, bruise, break any
part of her body, must also avoid the face. Prophet
Muhammad (p) stated in his farewell pilgrimage:
“Treat women kindly, they are like captives in your hands;
you do not owe anything else from them. In case they are
guilty of open indecency, then do not share their beds and
beat them lightly but if they return to obedience , do not
have recourse to anything else against them . You have
rights over your wives and they have their rights over you.
Your right is that they shall not permit anyone you dislike
to enter your home, and their right is that you should treat
them well in the matter of food and clothing”. [At- Tirmidhi
Arabic/English book reference: Book 1, Hadith 276]
We see from the above narration the Prophet(p),
commanding Muslims that they treat they wives with
kindness. Also, the prophet (p) mentioned that, if a woman
is found to be ‘guilty of indecency’ that the husband should
separate his bed from his wife, depriving her of her sexual
needs. Then, if the wife continuous with the same old
behaviour, not changed, last resort ‘beat lightly’, touching
her in such a way as to not leave a mark, not to hurt her.
Abu Ja’far Muhammad ibn Jarir al-Tabari who is one of
the earliest commentators of the Quran writes on Surah
4:34. Tabari who has a tradition going back to one of the
Companions of the Prophet (p), and explains the word
‘beat’, he says:
“I asked Ibn Abbas: ‘What is the hitting that is ghayr al-
mubarrih?’ He replied [with] the siwak (toothbrush like a
twig) and the like’. Narrated by al-Tabari in his tafsir (Dar
al-fikr reprint 5:68)
Furthermore Al-Razi (865 – 925 A.D.) who is a scholar
also comments on the verse:
Al-Razi (3:222) mentions that as a rule (a) it must be a
light beating and (b) the face must be avoided. He added
that certain Shafi’I jurists said “coiled scarf (mindil malfuf)
or his hand may be used but not a whip nor a stick.
From the evidences presented, it is abundantly clear that
the beat must be very light, that one has to use a Miswak
(toothbrush) or “coiled scarf”, as scholars mentioned it. It
is evident that the force utilised by a ‘folded scarf’ or a
‘miswak’ is, therefore, purely symbolic, it is in no way
meant to hurt her, it is more like a shock to wake her up. I
mentioned at the start of the article that, I will present non-
Muslim Scholarly evidences, who know about Islamic law
and the rights of women. Pay close attention to what they
have to say, regarding Quran 4:34.
John Louis Esposito (born May 19, 1940) is a professor of
International Affairs and Islamic Studies at Georgetown
University. Professor John L. Esposito is a Catholic
Christian he says in his book “What does Islam have to say
about domestic violence?” He writes:
“Domestic violence is a serious social problem in the West
and globally, and the Muslim world is no exception. Many
grass-roots movements and women’s organizations who
work to eradicate it through education for both men and
women emphasize Quranic teachings about the rights and
responsibilities of men and women and about marital
relations. In some Muslim societies, men use the Quran to
justify domestic violence. However, many verses in the
Quran teach that men and women are to be kind to and
supportive of each other. Love and justice in family
relationships are emphasized, and cruelty is forbidden .
Quran 30:21 states, ‘And among his signs is this, that He
created for you mates from among yourselves, that you
may dwell in tranquillity with them, and He has put love
and mercy between your [hearts]: behold, verily in that are
signs for those who reflect.’ Quran 4:19 further commands,
‘O you who believe! You are forbidden to inherit women
against their will. Nor should you treat them with
harshness. On the contrary live with them on a footing of
kindness and equity. If you take dislike to them it may be
that you dislike a thing through which God brings about a
great deal of good. ’Chronologically, the last Quranic verse
to be revealed that addressed relations between husband
and wife was 9:71, in which women and men are described
as being each other’s protecting friends and guardians,
emphasizing their cooperation in living together as
partners, rather than adversaries or superiors and
subordinates. Likewise, the hadith (Prophetic traditions)
note Muhammad’s respect for and protection of women.
Muhammad said, ‘The best of you is he who is best to his
wife.’ Muhammad’s wife Aisha narrated that Muhammad
never hit any servant or woman and never physically struck
anyone with his own hand . Neither the Quran nor the
hadith record Muhammad as ever mistreating or losing
temper with any of his wives, even when he was unhappy
or dissatisfied . Those who use the Quran to justify wife-
beating point to 4:34, which says, ‘Good women are
obedient, guarding in secret that which God has guarded.
As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish
them, then banish them to beds apart and strike them. But
if they obey you, do not seek a way against them.’ In recent
years scholars have argued that ‘obedience’ refers to
women’s attitude toward God, not toward her husband.
Furthermore, obedience in this verse is tied to the women’s
guarding of her chastity, so that an obedient women is one
who does not commit sexual immorality. The word typically
translated as ‘disobedience’ (Nushuz) refers to disruption
of marital harmony in which one spouse fails to fulfil the
required duties of marriage . It is applied elsewhere in the
Quran to bother men and women. The end of the verse
admonishes men not to mistreat women who obey them.
Rather than granting men the right to strike their wives,
reformers argue, this verse reminds men of their
responsibility to treat women fairly. Quran 4:34 lists three
methods to be used in resolving marital disputes. First
comes admonition or discussion between the husband and
wife alone or with the assistance of arbiters. This practice,
also recommended by 4:35 and 4:128, is also to be used
for couples considering divorce. If this fails, the second
option is physical separation, sleeping in separate beds,
which gives the couple space for cooling off and thinking
about the future of their marital relationship. The third and
final method is to strike or hit. The striking takes the
singular form grammatically, so that only a single strike Is
permissible. Quran 4:34 was revealed early In the Medinan
period of Muhammad’s ministry, a time and place in which
cruelty and violence against women remained rampant.
Thus some Muslim scholars today argue that the single
strike permitted in this verse was intended as a restriction
on an existing practice, not as a recommended method for
dealing with one’s wife.
In the major hadith collections- Muslim, Bukhari, Tirmidhi,
Abu Daud, Nasai, and Ibn Majah- hadith about striking all
emphasize that striking should be done in such a way AS
NOT TO CAUSE PAIN OR HARM. THESE SOURCES TRESS
STRESS THAT IN CASES WHERE A SINGLE STRIKE IS
USED, IT SHOULD BE MERELY SYMBOLIC . The founder of
the Shafii law of school maintained that it is preferable to
avoid striking altogether. Despite the fact that domestic
violence continued to exist in male-dominated cultures and
to be legitimated in the name of religion, neither the
majority of Quranic verses nor the hadith support or permit
it.” [3]
Rev. Dr. Ira Gilbert Zepp, Jr., professor emeritus of the
Religious Studies department at McDaniel College, also
comments on the Quranic passage 4:34, he says the
following:
“The husband is the head of the household, is the final
authority, and has due obedience and cooperation from his
wife. If the wife is rebellious or disobedient, there are
several options open to the husband. He may first try
dissuade her with kind and gentle reasoning. If this fails,
he may then refrain from sleeping with her. And if the
above are not effective, he has Quranic permission to ‘beat
her lightly’ (4:34).
Such ‘slight physical correction’ (as Yusuf Ali says) avoids
her face and other sensitive areas. Striking your wife in the
face (as was pictured in the film Not without my Daughter)
and other forms of verbal and physical cruelty have no
sanction in the Quran .
Many Muslims feel that although permitted, such activity is
not advisable and is the exception much more than the
rule. If all else fails, the next verse (4:35) suggests the
couple seek help and counsel from a mediator. Perhaps the
disagreement between husband and wife can be resolved
in this open, balanced and neutral way.” [4]

Dr. Chris T. R. Hewer ‘comes from a background in
Christian theology, education, Islamic studies and inter-
faith studies and has worked in the field of Muslims in
Britain and Christian-Muslim relations since 1986.’ Dr.
Chris T.R Hewer who is of Christian faith, is another in line
of respected experts commenting on the Quranic passage
4:34, he says:
“An adult woman has many rights within Islam that were
granted by the Qur’an and Hadith of Muhammad but for
which Western women have had to fight in the twentieth
century. Both men and women have an equal responsibility
to follow the Islamic way of life (Q. 33.35) . A Muslim
woman is allowed to own property in her own right and
dispose of it without reference to her husband. She
normally keeps her own name after marriage. She is
permitted to make her own will to dispose of her goods
after death. She has an entitlement to education at all
levels equal to that of a man. She is entitled to sexual
fulfilment. She has a right to engage in any profession or
business. She should be consulted in public affairs,
following the example of Muhammad who habitually sought
the opinion of some of the Muslim women before making a
decision. She has the right to keep and control her
earnings, it being the duty of the husband to meet all
domestic expenditure, house his family and educate his
children (Q. 4.34).
There are no grounds for her to be a domestic drudge, it
technically being the husband’s duty to see that hot food is
laid before his wife. The only duty laid upon a wife is to be
open to bear children, should God bless them, and to nurse
them when they are young, although even here a wet-nurse
can be retained. These are of course the ideals as provided
by Islamic law but the realities in Muslim families around
the world do not always follow these prescriptions.
Reference is often made to the verse of the Qur’an that
appears to allow a husband to beat his wife (Q. 4.34). The
context here is one of nushuz, a violation of duties on the
part of the religious wife. This verse of the Quran lays down
four steps to be taken, which may be seen as a correction
and limitation of pre-Islamic practices . First the man
should speak to his wife. If this fails, he should then refuse
sleep with her. Only if this fails to change her ways, is he
allowed a kind of symbolic humiliation by striking her with
his miswak, a piece of wood smaller than a pencil, the tip
of which is used for brushing the teeth . Even this is
considered inadvisable in some schools of Islam, and any
form of cruelty, including verbal abuse, is unanimously
forbidden . Should all this fail, then the couple should seek
arbitration within the family.” [5]
We can see & understand that God has commanded men to
protect their wives financially, physically and emotionally.
If the wife should be guilty of lewd or indecent conduct, the
husband is told to first, admonish her and then if she
would cease this lewdness. If she still continues in this
indecency (rebellion), then he should no longer share the
bed with her. Also, if she still, deliberately continuous with
the same old behaviour, then the husband has the
command from the Quran to beat her lightly with a Miswak
(a small toothbrush). Finally, the critics false arguments,
trying to criticise the Quran, assuming that ‘Islam allows
wife abuse’ has thoroughly been refuted, using Muslim and
non-Muslim scholarly evidences against their fictitious
arguments. We get a clear picture that Islam in no way
advocates’ wife abuse. Islam has always taught “to love
your wife,” to feed them, to treat your wife with kindness,
as it will be shown in the following statements from
Prophet Muhammad (p):
Narrated Mu’awiyah al-Qushayri: “I went to the Apostle of
Allah (peace_be_upon_him) and asked him: What do you
say (command) about our wives? He replied: Give them
food what you have for yourself, and clothe them by which
you clothe yourself, and do not beat them , and do not
revile them . (Abu-Dawud, Book 11, Marriage (Kitab Al-
Nikah), Number 2139 recorded in Ibn Majah as well, and
others. Verified to be Authentic by Al- Albani, As sahihah
Number. 687).
Abu Huraira (Allah be pleased with him) reported Allah’s
Apostle (may peace be upon him) as saying: “He who
believes in Allah and the Hereafter, if he witnesses any
matter he should talk in good terms about it or keep quiet.
Act kindly towards woman , for woman is created from a
rib, and the most crooked part of the rib is its top. If you
attempt to straighten it, you will break it, and if you leave
it, its crookedness will remain there. So act kindly towards
women .” (Muslim, The Book of Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah),
Book 8, Number 3468)
Ghazzali’s Ihya Ulum-Id-Din, Marriage:
“The most perfect of believers in faith are those who are the
finest in manners and most gentle toward their wives.” [6]
References:
[1] Dispositions: Gazing Into the Amazing, Colorful, Global
Crystal of Human Life [2009] By Ahmed K. Nazir M.D. page
108
[2] Encyclopaedic Dictionary of Religion: Q-Z [Copyright
2005] Dr. Ramesh Chopra page 623
[3] What Everyone Needs to Know about Islam: Second
Edition [Copyright 2011] By John L. Esposito page 114 –
116

Abdulsalam20: Dr. Chris T. R. Hewer ‘comes from a background in
Christian theology, education, Islamic studies and inter-
faith studies and has worked in the field of Muslims in
Britain and Christian-Muslim relations since 1986.’ Dr.
Chris T.R Hewer who is of Christian faith, is another in line
of respected experts commenting on the Quranic passage

Can you show me in the Bible where men are taught to beat their wives or women?

cloudstar:

Can you show me in the Bible where men are taught to beat their wives or women?

I HAVE ANSWERED IT NW.........READ MY EARLIER POSTS BUT AT LEAST THE VERSES U QUOTED IN TTHE QURAN U NOW UNDERSTAND IT BECAUSE U MISQUOTED THE VERSE WELL! I DONT NEED U TO DEFEND MY EARLIER POSTS BECAUSE I KNOW U CANT DEFEND IT
THIS IS JUST AN ADDITION TO WHAT I POSTED ABOUT HOW WOMEN ARE TREATED IN THE BIBLE
"Young people take pride in their strength, but the gray
hairs of wisdom are even more beautiful. A severe
beating can knock all of the evil out of you! (From the
Contemporary English Version (CEV) Bible, Proverbs
20:29-30) "
"Hatred stirs up trouble; love overlooks the wrongs that
others do. If you have good sense, it will show when you
speak. But if you are stupid, you will be beaten with a
stick. If you have good sense, you will learn all you can,
but foolish talk will soon destroy you. (From the
Contemporary English Version (CEV) Bible, Proverbs
10:12-14) "
"A curse you don’t deserve will take wings and fly away
like a sparrow or a swallow. Horses and donkeys must be
beaten and bridled— and so must fools . Don’t make a
fool of yourself by answering a fool. (From the
Contemporary English Version (CEV) Bible, Proverbs
26:2-4) "
Beating here is open for anyone who is deemed to have
evil in them, and/or is acting stupid and is a fool. The
Bible doesn't object to the concepts of beating and
disciplining of any individual who is in the wrong, and
who is deemed to be deserving to it.
Parables about Beating:
"Athletes work hard to win a crown that cannot last, but
we do it for a crown that will last forever. I don’t run
without a goal. And I don’t box by beating my fists in the
air . I keep my body under control and make it my slave,
so I won’t lose out after telling the good news to others.
(From the Contemporary English Version (CEV) Bible, 1
Corinthians 9:25-27) "
"If that happens, the master will come on a day and at a
time when the servant least expects him. That servant will
then be punished and thrown out with the servants who
cannot be trusted. If servants are not ready or willing to
do what their master wants them to do, they will be
beaten hard . But servants who don’t know what their
master wants them to do will not be beaten so hard for
doing wrong. If God has been generous with you, he will
expect you to serve him well. But if he has been more than
generous, he will expect you to serve him even better.
(From the Contemporary English Version (CEV) Bible,
Luke 12:46-48) "
Even though these are parables, but notice that beating
was a norm in the society. Yet, never was it directly
condemned, especially on wives! . Not only that, but we
find the beatings being ok even in parables in the
Bible.
First of all, as I mentioned above, the Bible allows beating
of people who commit wrong acts, and the fools:
1- The Concept of Beating in the Bible:
"Young people take pride in their strength, but
the gray hairs of wisdom are even more
beautiful. A severe beating can knock all of the
evil out of you! (From the Contemporary
English Version (CEV) Bible, Proverbs 20:29-30) "
"Hatred stirs up trouble; love overlooks the
wrongs that others do. If you have good sense, it
will show when you speak. But if you are stupid,
you will be beaten with a stick. If you have
good sense, you will learn all you can, but foolish
talk will soon destroy you. (From the
Contemporary English Version (CEV) Bible,
Proverbs 10:12-14) "
"A curse you don’t deserve will take wings and fly
away like a sparrow or a swallow. Horses and
donkeys must be beaten and bridled— and so
must fools . Don’t make a fool of yourself by
answering a fool. (From the Contemporary
English Version (CEV) Bible, Proverbs 26:2-4) "
Again, beating here is open for anyone who is deemed to
have evil in them, and/or is acting stupid and is a fool.
The Bible doesn't object to the concepts of beating and
disciplining of any individual who is in the wrong, and
who is deemed to be deserving to it.

Abdulsalam20: I HAVE ANSWERED IT NW.........READ MY EARLIER POSTS BUT AT LEAST THE VERSES U QUOTED IN TTHE QURAN U NOW UNDERSTAND IT BECAUSE U MISQUOTED THE VERSE WELL! I DONT NEED U TO DEFEND MY EARLIER POSTS BECAUSE I KNOW U CANT DEFEND IT
THIS IS JUST AN ADDITION TO WHAT I POSTED ABOUT HOW WOMEN ARE TREATED IN THE BIBLE
.

You still haven't quoted one verse from the Bible where men are instructed to beat their wives. I am still waiting for you oh

cloudstar:

You still haven't quoted one verse from the Bible where men are instructed to beat their wives. I am still waiting for you oh

U NEVR DEFEND THE ONE I POSTED ABOVE NW... ATLEAST I HAVE DEFEND THE VERSES AND HADITH YOU QUOTED FOR ME........... ABI U DIDNT READ IT SO OYA I DEY WAIT

Abdulsalam20: [size=14pt]U NEVR DEFEND THE ONE I POSTED ABOVE NW...[/size] ATLEAST I HAVE DEFEND THE VERSES AND HADITH YOU QUOTED FOR ME........... [size=14pt]ABI U DIDNT READ IT SO OYA I DEY WAIT[/size]

After you've already confirmed it yourself that those verses ARE PARABLES yet you still want him to defend them, this shows how little your brain works.

Again you said "THIS IS JUST AN ADDITION TO WHAT I POSTED ABOUT HOW WOMEN ARE TREATED IN THE BIBLE" but no verse quoted by you mention or single out WOMEN. can you see what Zakir Naik teaching has turned you to.

Abdulsalam20: U NEVR DEFEND THE ONE I POSTED ABOVE NW... ATLEAST I HAVE DEFEND THE VERSES AND HADITH YOU QUOTED FOR ME........... ABI U DIDNT READ IT SO OYA I DEY WAIT

You were posting the entire Quran, it was hard to read. Pick one point and we can tackle it together

Emusan:

After you've already confirmed it yourself that those verses ARE PARABLES yet you still want him to defend them, this shows how little your brain works.

Again you said "THIS IS JUST AN ADDITION TO WHAT I POSTED ABOUT HOW WOMEN ARE TREATED IN THE BIBLE" but no verse quoted by you mention or single out WOMEN. can you see what Zakir Naik teaching has turned you to.

FUNNY MAN!.....SO PARABLE CANNOT BE INTERPRETED WELL U SHOULD HELP ME TO TRANSLATE THIS
First of all, as I mentioned above, the Bible allows beating
of people who commit wrong acts, and the fools:
1- The Concept of Beating in the Bible:
"Young people take pride in their strength, but
the gray hairs of wisdom are even more
beautiful. A severe beating can knock all of the
evil out of you! (From the Contemporary
English Version (CEV) Bible, Proverbs 20:29-30) "
"Hatred stirs up trouble; love overlooks the
wrongs that others do. If you have good sense, it
will show when you speak. But if you are silly,
you will be beaten with a stick. If you have
good sense, you will learn all you can, but foolish
talk will soon destroy you. (From the
Contemporary English Version (CEV) Bible,
Proverbs 10:12-14) "
"A curse you don’t deserve will take wings and fly
away like a sparrow or a swallow. Horses and
donkeys must be beaten and bridled— and so
must fools . Don’t make a fool of yourself by
answering a fool. (From the Contemporary
English Version (CEV) Bible, Proverbs 26:2-4) "
Again, beating here is open for anyone who is deemed to
have evil in them, and/or is acting silly and is a fool.
The Bible doesn't object to the concepts of beating and
disciplining of any individual who is in the wrong, and
who is deemed to be deserving to it.
WHO TOLD YOU THAT I ONLY RELY ON ZAKR NAIK I MADE PERSONAL RESEARCH PLS JUST TRY TO DEFEND IT ABI.....U SAID BEATING WOMEN ARE NOT PERMITTED ........THE VERSE SAID ANYBODY SO U MEAN WHEN THE VERSE SAYS ANYBODY WOMEN ARE EXCLUDED?.......JUST EXPLAIN IT EVEN UR BRO KNEW THE TRUTH AND HE RAN AWAY WITH EXCUSE

IN ADDITION SEE HOW U DISGRACE WOMEN
Deuteronomy 22:28-30 "If a man happens to meet a virgin
who is not pledged to be married and Molests her and they
are discovered, he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of
silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He
can never divorce her as long as he lives."
(This verse was taken from the NIV Bible. The NIV Bible is
the most trusted and used Bible among Trinitanian
Christians. Many other authors of other bibles were
ashamed of this verse and changed the words "Molests her"
to words like "lay hold on her" or "seizes her and lies
down with her" . Other Bibles like the WE Bible removed
this verse completely, which is a total corruption !.)
One must ask a simple question here, who is really
punished, the man who Molested the woman or the woman
who was Molested? What is to prevent someone from finding
the best looking woman in town, Molesting her, telling
everyone about it, and then having the courts force her to
be his wife for the rest of her life?
We all hear about "date Molests" here in the US and Europe.
If the Christian groups from the "Army of God" who blow
abortion clinics in the US, or the owners of
www.godhatesfags.com ever rule their churches over the
state, then we will see things such as men brutally Molesting
the women they sexually desire the most on their dates,
then take these women to court and sue them and prove
that they Molested them. Then marry them by force, and
continue Molesting them for the rest of their natural life.
This might sound harsh and mean to you, but in reality, it
is all allowed in the Bible, and this is how it would be if the
church from the Fundamentalist Christians rule over the
state. In the middle centuries, women in the Christian
societies had absolutely no value !!. They were only sex
objects controlled and played with by their masters, the
men.
Exodus 21:7-8 "And in case a man should sell his
daughter as a slave girl , she will not go out in the way
that the slave men go out. If she is displeasing in the eyes
of her master so that he doesn't designate her as a
concubine but causes her to be redeemed, he will not be
entitled to sell her to a foreign people in his treacherously
dealing with her."
Here in this verse we can see that fathers can easily and
freely sell their daughters as slaves to other men. The
other men are free To Molest the daughters if they wish to do
so.
Deuteronomy 25:11-12 "And in case men struggle together
(in a fight) with one another, and the wife of the one has
come near to deliver her husband out of the striking one
(to save her husband), and she has thrust out her hand
and grabbed hold of his private (the other man's groin) ,
she must then get both her hands cut off, and the eyes of
the men must feel no sorrow. "
One has to ask himself a very simple question here: Why
should the wife who is trying to save her husband from
brutal beating by another man get both her hands cut off?
and why should we not have any mercy on her? Does this
sound inspired from God to you? Be honest with yourself.
Leviticus 21:9 "And the daughter of any priest, if she
profane herself by playing the LovePeddler, she profaneth
her
father: she shall be burnt with fire. "
Why a priests daughter be burnt in fire just because her
father is a priest if she decides to act like a LovePeddler? Is
this
fair? Should it make a difference whether or not a girl's
father is a priest or not?
Ecclesiastes 25:22 "Of the woman came the beginning of
sin, and through her we all die." (from the Catholics
Bible) Women in the Bible are considered evil !!!.
Ecclesiasticus 22:3 "....and the birth of ANY daughter is a
loss" (From the New Jerusalem Bible. It's a Roman
Catholics Bible); Roman Catholics today form more than
75% of the Christians population throughout the world.
Why should the Bible give silly (with all respect to you)
generalizing statements like that about ALL women?
Leviticus 12:2-5 , if a woman gives birth to a baby boy, then
she becomes unclean for 7 days. But if she gives birth to a
baby girl, then she becomes unclean for 14 days. This
verse is another proof that women in the Bible are disliked
to be born !.
Ecclesiastics 7:26-28 "And I find more bitter than death
the woman who is a snare, whose heart is a trap and
whose hands are chains. The man who pleases God will
escape her, but the sinner she will ensnare....while I was
still searching but not finding, I found one upright man
among a thousand but not one upright woman among
them all". The Bible claims that it is impossible to find a
single good woman among a thousand women.
Let us examine the following two verses from the book
Leviticus:
Let us look at Leviticus 20:15 "If a man has intimate
relations with an animal, he must be put to death, and
you must kill the animal."
Let us look at Leviticus 20:16 "If a woman approaches an
animal to have intimate relations with it, kill both the
woman and the animal. They must be put to death; their
blood will be on their own heads."
Notice that in Leviticus 20:15 the man has to be caught
having sex with an animal in order for him to be put to
death. We have to be sure 100% beyond the shadow of the
doubt to kill him.
Notice however in Leviticus 20:16 that if a woman only
looks SUSPICIOUS and not necessarily get caught having
sex with an animal, she would still be put to death. We do
not have to be sure 100% beyond the shadow of the doubt
with her in order for us to kill her.
It is beyond question that Leviticus 20:15 and Leviticus
20:16 prove that the Bible prefers to put women to
death whenever an opportunity presents itself!
Also, who determines whether she was approaching the
animal for sex or not?
What ever happened to the "Beyond the shadow of the
doubt" court law!!
Further more in the Bible:
Genesis 3:12-16 "And the man (Adam) said, The woman
(Eve) whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the
tree, and I did eat. And the LORD God said unto the
woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman
said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat. And the
LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done
this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every
beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust
shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: And I will put enmity
between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and
her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his
heel. Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy
sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring
forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and
he shall rule over thee."

Abdulsalam20: IN ADDITION SEE HOW U DISGRACE WOMEN
Deuteronomy 22:28-30 "If a man happens to meet a virgin
who is not pledged to be married and Molests her and they
are discovered, he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of
silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He
can never divorce her as long as he lives."

I asked you to choose one subject matter so we can discuss. Your problem is that you are all over the place. If you decide to keep the debate coherent, I will engage you. So, pick one subject matter in the Bible and let us discuss it. Pick one verse and I will respond to you. I will do the same with the Quran

cloudstar:

I asked you to choose one subject matter so we can discuss. Your problem is that you are all over the place. If you decide to keep the debate coherent, I will engage you. So, pick one subject matter in the Bible and let us discuss it. Pick one verse and I will respond to you. I will do the same with the Quran

that is why I stop replying him, when you exposed his lies on one verse, he will bring another verse.

Abdulsalam20: IN ADDITION SEE HOW U DISGRACE WOMEN
Deuteronomy 22:28-30 "If a man happens to meet a virgin
who is not pledged to be married and Molests her and they
are discovered, he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of
silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He
can never divorce her as long as he lives."
(This verse was taken from the NIV Bible. The NIV Bible is
the most trusted and used Bible among Trinitanian
Christians. Many other authors of other bibles were
ashamed of this verse and changed the words "Molests her"
to words like "lay hold on her" or "seizes her and lies
down with her" . Other Bibles like the WE Bible removed
this verse completely, which is a total corruption !.)
One must ask a simple question here, who is really
punished, the man who Molested the woman or the woman
who was Molested? What is to prevent someone from finding
the best looking woman in town, Molesting her, telling
everyone about it, and then having the courts force her to
be his wife for the rest of her life?
We all hear about "date Molests" here in the US and Europe.
If the Christian groups from the "Army of God" who blow
abortion clinics in the US, or the owners of
www.godhatesfags.com ever rule their churches over the
state, then we will see things such as men brutally Molesting
the women they sexually desire the most on their dates,
then take these women to court and sue them and prove
that they Molested them. Then marry them by force, and
continue Molesting them for the rest of their natural life.
This might sound harsh and mean to you, but in reality, it
is all allowed in the Bible, and this is how it would be if the
church from the Fundamentalist Christians rule over the
state. In the middle centuries, women in the Christian
societies had absolutely no value !!. They were only sex
objects controlled and played with by their masters, the
men.
Exodus 21:7-8 "And in case a man should sell his
daughter as a slave girl , she will not go out in the way
that the slave men go out. If she is displeasing in the eyes
of her master so that he doesn't designate her as a
concubine but causes her to be redeemed, he will not be
entitled to sell her to a foreign people in his treacherously
dealing with her."
Here in this verse we can see that fathers can easily and
freely sell their daughters as slaves to other men. The
other men are free To Molest the daughters if they wish to do
so.
Deuteronomy 25:11-12 "And in case men struggle together
(in a fight) with one another, and the wife of the one has
come near to deliver her husband out of the striking one
(to save her husband), and she has thrust out her hand
and grabbed hold of his private (the other man's groin) ,
she must then get both her hands cut off, and the eyes of
the men must feel no sorrow. "
One has to ask himself a very simple question here: Why
should the wife who is trying to save her husband from
brutal beating by another man get both her hands cut off?
and why should we not have any mercy on her? Does this
sound inspired from God to you? Be honest with yourself.
Leviticus 21:9 "And the daughter of any priest, if she
profane herself by playing the LovePeddler, she profaneth
her
father: she shall be burnt with fire. "
Why a priests daughter be burnt in fire just because her
father is a priest if she decides to act like a LovePeddler? Is
this
fair? Should it make a difference whether or not a girl's
father is a priest or not?
Ecclesiastes 25:22 "Of the woman came the beginning of
sin, and through her we all die." (from the Catholics
Bible) Women in the Bible are considered evil !!!.
Ecclesiasticus 22:3 "....and the birth of ANY daughter is a
loss" (From the New Jerusalem Bible. It's a Roman
Catholics Bible); Roman Catholics today form more than
75% of the Christians population throughout the world.
Why should the Bible give silly (with all respect to you)
generalizing statements like that about ALL women?
Leviticus 12:2-5 , if a woman gives birth to a baby boy, then
she becomes unclean for 7 days. But if she gives birth to a
baby girl, then she becomes unclean for 14 days. This
verse is another proof that women in the Bible are disliked
to be born !.
Ecclesiastics 7:26-28 "And I find more bitter than death
the woman who is a snare, whose heart is a trap and
whose hands are chains. The man who pleases God will
escape her, but the sinner she will ensnare....while I was
still searching but not finding, I found one upright man
among a thousand but not one upright woman among
them all". The Bible claims that it is impossible to find a
single good woman among a thousand women.
Let us examine the following two verses from the book
Leviticus:
Let us look at Leviticus 20:15 "If a man has intimate
relations with an animal, he must be put to death, and
you must kill the animal."
Let us look at Leviticus 20:16 "If a woman approaches an
animal to have intimate relations with it, kill both the
woman and the animal. They must be put to death; their
blood will be on their own heads."
Notice that in Leviticus 20:15 the man has to be caught
having sex with an animal in order for him to be put to
death. We have to be sure 100% beyond the shadow of the
doubt to kill him.
Notice however in Leviticus 20:16 that if a woman only
looks SUSPICIOUS and not necessarily get caught having
sex with an animal, she would still be put to death. We do
not have to be sure 100% beyond the shadow of the doubt
with her in order for us to kill her.
It is beyond question that Leviticus 20:15 and Leviticus
20:16 prove that the Bible prefers to put women to
death whenever an opportunity presents itself!
Also, who determines whether she was approaching the
animal for sex or not?
What ever happened to the "Beyond the shadow of the
doubt" court law!!
Further more in the Bible:
Genesis 3:12-16 "And the man (Adam) said, The woman
(Eve) whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the
tree, and I did eat. And the LORD God said unto the
woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman
said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat. And the
LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done
this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every
beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust
shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: And I will put enmity
between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and
her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his
heel. Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy
sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring
forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and
he shall rule over thee."

this is old testament law,jesus has already come and fulfilled it by making t simple for us to follow.
1.LOVE GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART;if you love GOD WITH all your heart , you will not worship other gods beside Him.
2.love your neighbour as your self;if you love your neighbour you will not molest her/him.

cloudstar:

I asked you to choose one subject matter so we can discuss. Your problem is that you are all over the place. If you decide to keep the debate coherent, I will engage you. So, pick one subject matter in the Bible and let us discuss it. Pick one verse and I will respond to you. I will do the same with the Quran

HOW MANY TIME DID I WANT TO DO THAT?!.......U QUOTED VERSE OF BEATING IN THE QURAN I REMEMBER IT WAS 3 I DEFENDED IT U SAID MUHAMMAD BEAT HIS WIFE AND I PROVE U WRONG AM NT SUPRISE U NEVER ARGUE ON ANY OF THE VERSE IN THE QURAN AND BIBLE I QUOTED......PLS HOW MANY TIME DID I WANT TO POST......PLS AS I HAVE ALWAYS SAID DEFEND ANY OF THE VERSES I HAVE QUOTED..PLS CHOOSE ANY UR SELF........U SAID I AM ALL OVER THE PLACE YES!......BECAUSE U PEOPLE LACK SIMPLE KNOWLEDGE AND WE NEED TO EDUCATE YOU........I REMEMBER U QUOTED THAT MY POST IS TOO LONG SMH!......THAT IS WHAT TRUTHMAN2012 ALWAYS FIND AS AN EXCUSE AS I HAVE ALWAYS SAID I POST TO EDUCATE SO IT HAS TO BE COMPREHENSIVE AND IT IS AN ACT OF HYPOCRACY FOR U TO SAY THAT JUST READ IT AND PROVE ME WRONG......AND DONT FORGET WHAT I SAY JUST CHOOSE AMONG ANY OF THE VERSE I HAVE QUOTED UR SELF AND JUSTIFY IT

malvisguy212: this is old testament law,jesus has already come and fulfilled it by making t simple for us to follow.
1.LOVE GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART;if you love GOD WITH all your heart , you will not worship other gods beside Him.
2.love your neighbour as your self;if you love your neighbour you will not molest her/him.

Many times when I enter a debate with fellow Christians
and present verses from the Old Testament to them about
some of life's laws and issues that were given to the Jews
from GOD Almighty, they immediately give me answers
such as "Oh, this is an old testament law that we Christians
don't have to follow...." I find that to be quite an
interesting statement.(just like what you did)
Jesus orders Christians to follow the Law of Moses in the
Old Testament: "Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to
abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to
abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until
heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the
least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from
the Law until everything is accomplished. (Matthew
5:17-18) " It is quite clear from these verses from the New
Testament that Jesus peace be upon him did honor the Old
Testament and did say that every single "letter" of it has to
be honored, followed and fulfilled.

"Then Jesus said to the crowds and to
his disciples: 'The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit
in Moses' seat. So you must obey them and do everything
they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not
practice what they preach.' (Matthew 23:1-3) " We clearly
see in these verses that Jesus peace be upon him did not
prohibit for the Old Testament to be followed, but only
warned his followers to not follow it the way the current
religious leaders of the Law (the Jewish Rabies) were
following it.(just like what you said)

Abdulsalam20:
Many times when I enter a debate with fellow Christians
and present verses from the Old Testament to them about
some of life's laws and issues that were given to the Jews
from GOD Almighty, they immediately give me answers
such as "Oh, this is an old testament law that we Christians
don't have to follow...." I find that to be quite an
interesting statement.(just like what you did)
Jesus orders Christians to follow the Law of Moses in the
Old Testament: "Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to
abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to
abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until
heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the
least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from
the Law until everything is accomplished. (Matthew
5:17-18) " It is quite clear from these verses from the New
Testament that Jesus peace be upon him did honor the Old
Testament and did say that every single "letter" of it has to
be honored, followed and fulfilled.

"Then Jesus said to the crowds and to
his disciples: 'The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit
in Moses' seat. So you must obey them and do everything
they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not
practice what they preach.' (Matthew 23:1-3) " We clearly
see in these verses that Jesus peace be upon him did not
prohibit for the Old Testament to be followed, but only
warned his followers to not follow it the way the current
religious leaders of the Law (the Jewish Rabies) were
following it.(just like what you said)

jesus come to fulfilled the law, how?by taking full control of the law.how did jesus take full control of the law? When the people ask him who they are to pay tax to? And he say"give to ceaser what is ceaser and to God what is God"for the people to ask him this question mean that he take full control of the law.the old testament has the ten commandment, the first five is about worshiping God and the other's five is about loving your fellow human. But in the new testament jesus break it to two.
1. WORSHIP GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART AND MIND;if you love God you will worship Him alone.
2.LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOUR AS YOUR SELF;if you love your neighbour, you will not kill or molest him. So now we see the law in the new and old testament are still the same but the difference is in the new testament God judge us with righteousness and grace,
RIGHTEOUSNESS ;if you believe in Jesus christ, the Lord righteousness will dwell in you, you will not sin.
GRACE;as a human, we are not perfect if we sin and genieuly repent God will give us his grace and forgive us.


The arab live by the law denying the righteousness and grace of God, by implementing sharia law.

malvisguy212: jesus come to fulfilled the law, how?by taking full control of the law.how did jesus take full control of the law? When the people ask him who they are to pay tax to? And he say"give to ceaser what is ceaser and to God what is God"for the people to ask him this question mean that he take full control of the law.the old testament has the ten commandment, the first five is about worshiping God and the other's five is about loving your fellow human. But in the new testament jesus break it to two.
1. WORSHIP GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART AND MIND;if you love God you will worship Him alone.
2.LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOUR AS YOUR SELF;if you love your neighbour, you will not kill or molest him. So now we see the law in the new and old testament are still the same but the difference is in the new testament God judge us with righteousness and grace,
RIGHTEOUSNESS ;if you believe in Jesus christ, the Lord righteousness will dwell in you, you will not sin.
GRACE;as a human, we are not perfect if we sin and genieuly repent God will give us his grace and forgive us.


The arab live by the law denying the righteousness and grace of God, by implementing sharia law.

THE ONLY THING U CAN USE TO CONVINCE ME IS TO BRING A VERSE WHERE JESUS SAY DONT FOLLOW THE OLD TESTAMENT.....BECAUSE I GUESS WHAT U ARE TRYING TO PROVE IS THAT JESUS WAS DRUNK WHEN HE SAID
"Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to
abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to
abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until
heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not
the
least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from
the Law until everything is accomplished. (Matthew
5:17-18) " It is quite clear from these verses from the
New
Testament that Jesus peace be upon him did honor the
Old
Testament and did say that every single "letter" of it has
to
be honored, followed and fulfilled.
"Then Jesus said to the crowds and to
his disciples: 'The teachers of the law and the Pharisees
sit
in Moses' seat. So you must obey them and do everything
they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not
practice what they preach.' (Matthew 23:1-3) " We clearly
see in these verses that Jesus peace be upon him did not
prohibit for the Old Testament to be followed, but only
warned his followers to not follow it the way the current
religious leaders of the Law (the Jewish Rabies) were
following it.(just like what you said)
U SAID JESUS BRING GRACE WHAT AN ANTICHRIST!........U EVEN MAKE ME LAUGH IF JESUS SAY LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOUR AS YOUR SELF DOES THAT MEAN CRIMINAL SHOULD NOT BE PROSECUTED?......PLS GIVE ME A SINGLE VERSE WHERE JESUS SAY DONT FOLLOW THE OLD TESTAMENT.........I JUST LAUGH AT U LIKE I HAVE ALWAYS SAID U NEVER ANSWER MY QUESTION SINCE WHEN I HAVE KNOWN U U BETTER FOLLOW THE FACT I HAVE ALWAYS ANSWER YOURS WITH COMPREHENSIVE EVIDENCE.........IF U ARE NOT A MUSLIM I ACCUSE YOU OF ANTICHRIST!!!.....DONT QUOTE ME BECAUSE U WILL BE BUSTED I FOLLOW YISA MORE THAN YOU BECAUSE YISA IS A PROPHET OF GOD IF I FOLLOW MUHAMMAD I AM FOLLOWING HIM.......ASK FOR EVIDENCE I AM ALWAYS READY ALL CHRISTIANS NOWADAYS ARE ANTICHRIST IMAGINE JESUS SAY FOLLOW THE OT U SAID GRACE SMH!!!!OR U MEAN JESUS IS DRUNK(JUST AS U PEOPLE SAY JESUS IS A DRUNKARD EVEN THOUGH WE MUSLIM KNOW THAT IT IS A LIE.....WHAT AN ANTICHRIST!!!!!!

Abdulsalam20:
THE ONLY THING U CAN USE TO CONVINCE ME IS TO BRING A VERSE WHERE JESUS SAY DONT FOLLOW THE OLD TESTAMENT.....BECAUSE I GUESS WHAT U ARE TRYING TO PROVE IS THAT JESUS WAS DRUNK WHEN HE SAID
"Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to
abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to
abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until
heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not
the
least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from
the Law until everything is accomplished. (Matthew
5:17-18) " It is quite clear from these verses from the
New
Testament that Jesus peace be upon him did honor the
Old
Testament and did say that every single "letter" of it has
to
be honored, followed and fulfilled.
"Then Jesus said to the crowds and to
his disciples: 'The teachers of the law and the Pharisees
sit
in Moses' seat. So you must obey them and do everything
they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not
practice what they preach.' (Matthew 23:1-3) " We clearly
see in these verses that Jesus peace be upon him did not
prohibit for the Old Testament to be followed, but only
warned his followers to not follow it the way the current
religious leaders of the Law (the Jewish Rabies) were
following it.(just like what you said)
U SAID JESUS BRING GRACE WHAT AN ANTICHRIST!........U EVEN MAKE ME LAUGH IF JESUS SAY LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOUR AS YOUR SELF DOES THAT MEAN CRIMINAL SHOULD NOT BE PROSECUTED?......PLS GIVE ME A SINGLE VERSE WHERE JESUS SAY DONT FOLLOW THE OLD TESTAMENT.........I JUST LAUGH AT U LIKE I HAVE ALWAYS SAID U NEVER ANSWER MY QUESTION SINCE WHEN I HAVE KNOWN U U BETTER FOLLOW THE FACT I HAVE ALWAYS ANSWER YOURS WITH COMPREHENSIVE EVIDENCE.........IF U ARE NOT A MUSLIM I ACCUSE YOU OF ANTICHRIST!!!.....DONT QUOTE ME BECAUSE U WILL BE BUSTED I FOLLOW YISA MORE THAN YOU BECAUSE YISA IS A PROPHET OF GOD IF I FOLLOW MUHAMMAD I AM FOLLOWING HIM.......ASK FOR EVIDENCE I AM ALWAYS READY ALL CHRISTIANS NOWADAYS ARE ANTICHRIST IMAGINE JESUS SAY FOLLOW THE OT U SAID GRACE SMH!!!!OR U MEAN JESUS IS DRUNK(JUST AS U PEOPLE SAY JESUS IS A DRUNKARD EVEN THOUGH WE MUSLIM KNOW THAT IT IS A LIE.....WHAT AN ANTICHRIST!!!!!!

are you blind? Where did I say christian should not follow the old testament law? Dint I say christ fulfilled it? The muslim implement sharia law by neglecting the righteousness and grace of God,man has no right to judge me, christ has already gives us the grace. I LIVE BY HIS GRACE, BY HIS GRACE AM A CHRISTIAN. But you live by the law[sharia law] .

PLEASE DON'T BE DECEIVED BY THEM. IF THEY
DO NOT KNOW JESUS THEN THEY DON'T
KNOW WHO THE FATHER IS. FOR JESUS IS THE
WAY AND LIFE IS ONLY FOUND IN JESUS AND
HIS HOLY WORD THE BIBLE.
John 14:6 Jesus answered him, “I am the
way, the truth, and the life; no one goes to
the Father except by me.
THEY CAN CALL MOHAMED OR THEIR ALLAH
BUT THEY CAN'T BE SAVED BECAUSE
SALVATION ONLY COMES THROUGH JESUS
CHRIST. NO OTHER NAME CAN SAVE US
EXCEPT THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST,,THEIR
MOHAMED/ALLAH CAN'T SAVE THEM ONLY
JESUS ALONE.
Act 4:12 Salvation is found in no one else,
for there is no other name under heaven
given to men by which we must be saved."
Philipians 2:9 2:10 that at the name of
Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven
and on earth and under the earth,11 and
every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is
Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
DO NOT BE DECEIVED THAT MUSLIMS/ARABS
ARE THE TRUE WAY WHEN THE DO NOT
ACCEPT JESUS US THE WAY TO HEAVEN.
2 John 1:6-7 This love I speak means that
we must live in obedience to God's
commands. The command, as you have all
heard from the beginning.
THOSE PEOPLES DO NOT HONOUR JESUS THEY
HONOUR MOHAMED AND ALLAH ,THEY DENIE
JESUS TO BE THE WAY THAT IS WHY THEY DO
NOT EVEN BELIEVE THE HOLY SPIRIT SO HOW
CAN THEY SAY THEY KNOW GOD WHEN THEY
DENIE JESUS THE WAY TO GOD ?
1John 4:3 but every spirit that does not
acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is
the spirit of the antichrist, which you have
heard is coming and even now is already
in the world. THOSE WHO DO NOT
ACKNOWLEGDE JESUS ARE ANTICHRIST FROM
SATAN.
TAKE CARE OF THOSE FALSE TEACHINGS
WHICH COMES FROM THE DEVIL AND DON'T
FALL AWAY FROM THE TRUE FAITH .
1 John 1:7 Many deceivers have gone out
over the world, people who do not
acknowledge that Jesus Christ came as a
human being. Such a person is a deceiver
and the Enemy of Christ. 8 Be on your
guard, then, so that you will not lose what
we have worked for, but will receive your
reward in full.
BE WISE AND ON WATCH NOT ABARDON OUR
LORD JESUS CHRIST WHO DIED FOR ALL
HUMANITY TO BE SAVED AND IT IS ONLY IN
CHRIST THAT WE CAN BE SAVED AND IT IS
ONLY IN JESUS THAT WE CAN GO TO THE
FATHER .HOW CAN THEY DENIE JESUS AND
SAY THEY KNOW ALLAH,?
1John 2:22 Who is the liar? It is the man
who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a
man is the antichrist--he denies the Father
and the Son.
23 No one who denies the Son has the
Father; whoever acknowledges the Son
has the Father also.
24 See that what you have heard from the
beginning remains in you. If it does, you
also will remain in the Son and in the
Father.And this is what he promised us--
even eternal life.2:26 I am writing these
things to you about those who are trying
to lead you astray.
IF YOU LOOSE JESUS YOU WILL LOOSE LIFE .
STICK IN JESUS AND HIS WORD THE HOLY
BIBLE .
SHALOM.

dont be decieved by their lies, muhammad lied, his angel and allah are all liars. They say the book allah gave has been lost, they say the present one was written by jewish scholars etc. If muhammad is in the Bible, where is mecca, black stone and where was it commanded that israelis shud face and bow to the cubic stone in saudi? Did moses say that d prophet would be an highway robber raiding caravans or killing d jews or will have his teeth removed by a stone or be sleeping with 9yr old child etc? They know their religion has no basis if its not connected with d Bible. You dont ask yursef why allah hates d jews and muhammad on his dying bed had to b laying curse on them even though their God had already bless them and cursed whoever curses them. Today, d jews are respected arround the world not becos of how many muslims they have killed or how many mosques they have blown up, but because of what dey how dey have been innovating and having breakthrough in many areas of life. But their enemies are only retrogressing back to the stone age of their profet and known around the as trouble makers and terorists. Shalom