alcuin:

AMORC

jantavanta:

It could mean that Fire Philosophy, which is usually attributed to Zoroastrianism, has a Yoruba origin.

jantavanta:

No way.

AMORC is not the sole repository of Egyptology and theology.

OnyeEgo1:

yea its as choice to worship oda gods but its a destructive choice liken to self inflicted death sentence... Take a wise choice today.. A Jesus Choice

2prexios: It depends on your inclinations, its either Orisala or Orunmila, Obarisa is 'king of the chosen' and both were kings in their epoch. They weren't cotemporaries. 'Odu' means 'blacky', and 'Esu' means 'darkish'. You can verify this linguistically if you are keen at it.

alcuin:

Don't even go there. The cult of fire is lost in the midst of time.

OnyeEgo1:

if u are a christian u wouldnt want to learn anyoda tin dan d scriptures,,, wait do u think u av learn the scripture finish?... The holier than thou attitude was to show the CHRIST-like Nature in you dat made u diff from an unbeliever... Take one step further in ur sourjoun on earth as a christian

iamord:

Bro I tell you.. You are brainwashed seriously! Your post is very clear. What do you think you have learn the scripture finish. Am sure you don't even know the nigerian constitution ..of course !! The bible is more important .. But u don't have to insist on her following what u want its her own choice .. Infact go to your own heaven and leave other people in peace



AFRICA future is bleak!
I say this with a sad heart!!!

OnyeEgo1:

like i av said its a matter of choice. But come to think of it which continent is as safe as AFRICA save northern NIG...

Kachisbarbie: Hehe,I know sango
-Ogun
-Osun
-Eshu
-Obatala
-and soponnaaaaa
I had this friend in secondary sch, any small thing, she would say Soponna will visit you. I had to ask her if it is a kind of 'willie-willie', when she told me the meaning, I just tire for the girl.
Now I know olokun, aint sure I have ever heard of it.

iamord:

Safe in what aspect?

Ifecoded: juz three months and u don gather followers lyk dz.... U aiit sha...

Kachisbarbie:
Why is everyone complaining about ma followers... are they plenty?
I'm more than three mths na, had an old acct, that wasn't mature to survive the NL crash, opened this new one and re-followed ma old hommies.

OnyeEgo1:

if u are a christian u wouldnt want to learn anyoda tin dan d scriptures,,, wait do u think u av learn the scripture finish?... The holier than thou attitude was to show the CHRIST-like Nature in you dat made u diff from an unbeliever... Take one step further in ur sourjoun on earth as a christian

tpia1:


dear, in Yoruba cosmology (or esoterism if you prefer that term), rivers are female, the ocean is mostly male.

Yemoja is who you have in mind, Olokun is male.

You are confused by the mami wata myths.

2prexios:

Well I'm a christian too. This morning, before stepping out, my random reading of the Holy Scripture was Ps. 28:18. Meantime, there is a place for people's Historical tradition in the word of God. The word of God has not annul history and records of the inhabitants of the world.

Jesus said, "search ye the scriptures..." Yoruba historical/religious tradition is Yoruba scripture before the Hebrew scripture (bible) came on board at the advent of British west Africa.

So, it is part of the scripture meant to be searched for our salvation to be verified. And talking about tradition, the book of wisdom gave a candid instruction in the following:

Proverb 6

My son, keep your father’s commandment,
and forsake not your mother’s teaching.
21Bind them on your heart always;
tie them around your neck.
22When you walk, they will lead you;
when you lie down, they will watch over you;
and when you awake, they will talk with you.
23For the commandment is a lamp and the teaching a light,
and the reproofs of discipline are the way of life,
24to preserve you from the evil woman,
from the smooth tongue of the adulteress.

Olokun or Ifa tradition is our mother's teaching, it has preserved our fathers when they roam and so on, and now that we are awake, it is part of what will speak with us, we wont throw away the baby with the bath water.

Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable--if anything is excellent or praiseworthy--think about such things
Phillipians 4:8

kingston277:
awaken by the demons.

macof:

Cult of fire is highly associated with sango, fire is a manifestation of Aganju, Sango's father

jantavanta:

Fire, Thunder, Lightning with Sango? Please can we specifically attribute Fire to Aganju, rather than to Sango? I thought Sango was limited to Thunder & Lightning.

macof: Olokun is female both historically and spiritually in all tales I have received.
It's only Benin people and those they influenced like Itsekiri and Ilaje that personified olokun as Male.
Even to ijebu it is considered feminine

macof:

What ese Ifa did u get that from about Olokun?
Btw omoba could refer to princess

I noticed you not talking spirituality but history.
Let's examine this points in Yoruba history.
Olokun is said to Olofin's wife in Odu Osa Meji, Olofin here often misinterpreted in,Santeria as Olorun, But in fact it is Oduduwa.
Olokun, a wealthy bead maker didn't have children, so Oduduwa married Osara whom gave birth to oduduwa's heir.

The link between Olokun and Orunmila(Agboniregun) is probably when she ran to The ocean near Epe, modern Lagos (probably her hometown) Orunmila found her and offered her sacrifice to be happy and return

tho I haven't got expert Translation to it, I would say "Ifa olokun asorodayo" relates to Ifa's speech to olokun turned to Joy
Back then anything and everything can be called sacrifice even words.

Ekundayo7:
Dear, no confusion here, again, it depends on GEOGRAPHIC area and peoples inhabiting said area whether they view Olokun as "male" or "female". Yemoja is owner of the top portions of the ocean waters, Olokun owner off ALL WATERS, both sweet and salty and owner of the depths. According to Yoruba legend SHE was close friends with Orunmila and married Odudua, was a fashioner of beads and metal crowns and bracelet as supported by the beads and bead making artifacts discovered in her shrine in Ile-Ife. Whether people merely carried out those industry there in her shrine as tribute is unknown.
The odu of Ogbe Ate tells us a true story of Olokun, as the odu Ifa have been handed down orally for thousands of years, and it is to this authentic and reliable Yoruba source that I will tell one story of Olokun, and know that there are many other versions backed up by Odu Ifa, such as how Olokun became a cowrie diviner, or how she became the most powerful among all diviners.

Ogbe Ate

Olokun is one of the most prominent, powerful and courageous orisa on earth and she holds a very high position among all diviners, besides being one of the prettiest. Her home is in Ile-ife, in the area called Igbo Olokun. The followers of Olokun were not many in the beginning. Many of them were leaving to follow and worship other orisa. Those who left were saying "Olokun is too honest, she doesn't tolerate lies". Olokun only wanted honest people around her. Olokun's intelligence goes beyond ordinary human intelligence and she doesn't tolerate any kind of nonsense from anyone. Very neat and tidy, she detests a dirty environment.

One day Olokun realized that she was not achieving the mission that Olodumare had given her because she was so honest, detested lies, didn't like dirt, and did not tolerate those things in others. She decided to consult Baba Orunmila.

IROSUN-OGBE

To her surprise, he said that he would assist her and help her to solve all of her problems. He said he needed to make sacrifice and after doing so, all of the people who had left her would come back to join her again. Furthermore, he said that she would become a powerful orisa that everyone would worship, that the work would make her rich and had never been done before on earth. Olokun of course agreed on the spot to make the sacrifice.

One day Olokun noticed a big stone that was a lovely blue color, as if water were inside, in the backyard of her home. She began thinking about what she could use the stone for. Days later she decided to fashion a necklace using the blue stone and she made a lovely ileke. When the other diviners saw the ileke they began begging Olokun to please give them their own set of ileke necklace and wrist beads. They started buying the beads from Olokun and she began to be rich and famous, to the extent that all the people who left her came back and joined her. Olokun took them back as any merciful mother would. In spite of her fame, wealth, many followers and her power amongst all the irunmole and people, she still had one problem: she did not have a husband she could lay under so she could have a child. To solve this problem she went once again to Orunmila to ask for his help.

OGBE FUN

The odu that was divined for Olokun was Ogbe-Fun

Ifa said that she will have her own husband , that he will be someone of very good character from among the diviners, that she is the one he will marry, but she must make sacrifice. She carried out the sacrifice in grand style, following all that Ifa said.

Not much later all her prayers were answered.

This is when Odudua Olofin heard the news about Olokun and her powers and beautiful beads. He began buying necklaces and bracelets from her and he himself was an accomplished blacksmith who also made lovely necklaces and bracelets made of metal. Upon first meeting her he thought she was the most beautiful woman he had ever seen, and also saw that she not under any man, nor were there any men chasing her. She was clearly not an easy woman. He saw her as a very dignified woman and he began to look for a way to befriend her in order to take her as his wife. But he began to be afraid of her power and her position. He sent for Orunmila to divine the Ifa oracle for him. Heaven advised him to go ahead and propose to Olokun, that she would accept his offer and that he should make sacrifice in order to have many children with her. Odudua refused to make the sacrifice for children. To his great surprise, Olokun accepted his proposal to be his wife with no objections. This is how Olokun became the wife of Odudua Olofin.

But to his surprise, Olokun refused to move and live with Odudua in his palace as she said it would disrupt her work of making beads for necklaces and bracelets. Odudua accepted this because he loved her so much, and also because of her beauty, wealth, power and position in society. Olokun continued doing her work and without any doubts or compromise, she loved Odudua completely, but the fact is that she did not bear him any children. She still made beautiful jewelry for him, including a brass crown that was of such beauty that it was the most beautiful in all the land and it was on his head. Europeans discovered the glass making quarry and brass works that Olokun used to create her works on the border of Ileshe in Ogun State and Esinmirin in Ile-Ife, Oyo State.

As time went by, Olokun had lots of money, her blessings were accumulating, the irunmole were all coming to her side. Among all the diviners in Ile Ife it was Olokun who was the most famous (she was also an accomplished cowrie diviner). She was very generous to all and very happy to be in the midst of people and attending to their needs. This made all the irunmole want to be around her and also ask for her assistance, but it also made them jealous. Her shrine was always full and because of this they used to complain that they were really the better ones. Every year a festival was held for Olokun and everyone knew it would be the largest, grandest, and many gifts were handed out freely for all.

OSE OWONRIN
The verse of OSE WORIN tells us that the irunmole would choose to go to her festival over all the other's festivals and this caused so much jealousy that they agreed as a group to not attend her festival. Obatala consulted Ifa to see if he should go to her festival, or stay away with all the other irunmole. The irunmole asked Obatala if he was going and he said "No, I won't go", but Ifa told him to send his messenger, the Chameleon Alagemo, so Obatala could continue to have a friendship with Olokun. Unbeknownst to Obatala, all of the irunmole who had said they were not going to her festival, went, and when Alagemo the Chameleon saw this he cried "Oh NO! Obatala has been betrayed by them. Look at them all here!". Obatala had asked Alagemo to tell Olokun that his destiny had forbade him to attend her festival.

After the festival Chameleon appeared in the gardens of the all the irunmole and he took all of the colors of their clothes. This made them very afraid and they thought that Obatala was ready to do battle with them, thinking that he had sent his messenger on ahead. The irunmole all started to feel very guilty that they had betrayed Obatala but Olokun and Obatala remained friends in spite of the irunmole's attempts to make them quarrel.

Olokun was very troubled that the irunmole were not ready to honor and respect her. They thought they were all Gods, but not her. She went to Orunmila to talk to him, as she was not happy with everything that was happening on earth. She had decided to leave IFE land and told Orunmila that she would be amazed if he could find a solution to help her.

EJI OGBE
Orunmila divined for Olokun and the odu that came was Eji Ogbe. Orunmila assured her that all of her problems would resolve and she would find a new home. He asked her to do the sacrifice. He told her to go at night and get one calabash of water and in the morning one calabash of water, to go to the left side of earth and bring water and to the right side of earth to bring water, both morning and evening, and to go to the Red Sea to bring water. Orunmila used the waters to make sacrifice for her and when he was finished he said she should take the waters he had prayed over and to bathe her body, then stay inside her home for 7 days. She must not open the door, see anyone, or see daylight. She did exactly as he said.

On the third day she discovered that the door in front had turned to grass and the door in back had turned to copper. The wooden door on the right side had turned to zinc, and the door on the left side had turned to silver. On the seventh day when she decided it was safe to leave the house she saw that all under her home had become water. Olodumare had decided to giver her a house on top of the water. Olokun was amazed and set out to Orunmila's house to give him the news. He was very happy for her and she took him home to treat him as a pampered guest, entertaining and feeding him as he had never experienced before. He began to sing praises that Olokun had given him a wonderful gift and that he was happy Eledumare had allowed him to understand the message. Olokun began singing praises saying "IFA is great!". Ever since that day Orunmila enters the ocean to divine for Olokun. The story continues on as to how Orunmila came to live with Olokun for many years in her underwater realm.
PRAYER TO OLOKUN

​I bow before your mystery Olokun

The Queen of all Mothers

Mother of all Orisa

The Womb of all Life

The Keeper of feminine ASE

Womb of the whole World

Orisa of all Oceans and Rivers

It is you who holds the mystery of divine feminine Ase

​Mo juba O!

2prexios: He that is faithful in that which is least is faithful also in much. My ancestors are not demons sir, maybe yours are.

2prexios:




@macof, it is impossible to use Christianity to validate Judaism for instance, likewise, you can't use Santeria's dinlogun [/i]or Erindinlogun to validate Ifa Oracular dicta.

Santeria is an apocrypha of Ifa, not Ifa as apocrypha of Santeria. Likewise, Christian doctrine derived from Judaism, and not Judaism deriving from Christianity.

We do not have to depend on the conclusion of Santeria [i]Dilogun to establish Yoruba history. There is a reason it is so called Syncretism, because it has incorporated foreign stories.

Meanwhile, you can hardly come about free flow of tradition from one Ifa verse to the other as you portrayed in your Ekundayo7 handle, in Yoruba Ifa verses, the stories used as checkered anecdotes are meant to be Awo, secrets.

macof:

My reason for mentioning santeria is because it's known that Olofin is the husband of Olokun but the santeros confuse Olofin with Olorun.
My post made this clear enough.

Ekundayo7 is not my handle

macof:

My reason for mentioning santeria is because it's known that Olofin is the husband of Olokun but the santeros confuse Olofin with Olorun.
My post made this clear enough.

ekundayo7 is not my handle

GooseBaba:

Mr, Ekundayo7 how market..? is this another Koloyinbo moment....

GooseBaba:

Mr, Ekundayo7 how market..? is this another Koloyinbo moment....