GooseBaba: Ekundayo7,... Haba..!!! this was an inside joke.. People always accusing macof of having several handles. I can guarantee you that I have no problem with you.

Meanwhile, why are some ATR priests hot tempered..? I think I have to create another handle code name "ogogorobaba"

2prexios: please take note that it is not Olokun seri Aje, but Olokun Seni Ade.
Aje is Yoruba female icon of wealth. It is possible to confuse Aje with Ade... native adherents believe the same to be a man.

2prexios:
Whether you believe Olokun to be male or female, I reiterate, is due to geography.
Note:Are you an unbiased specialist?
Am actually in the Ifa priesthood, so yes, I happen to have a say in the matter.
You will find plenty of "natives" who worship Olokun as female, especially in Lagos and Ogun state.
Note: Then you are not a specialist, you have your personal preference, but you want mine "caged" in your conclusion.
Am not trying to cage anyone into a "conclusion", and actually yes, am a "specialist", being that I deal day in and day out with Ifa matters. Are you expecting me to take a poll among my peers and report back to you on who perceives Olokun as male or female lol?
And whether you are referring to Olokun as Olokun Iserin Ade or seri Aje,
Note: Your clever mistake is a proof that you have no native-vocabulary on Olokun of your own.
[b]What people fail to realize is that Ifa and the verses of Ifa have a deeper spiritual meaning. It is very easy to take something on face value, but one must look deeper. The "crown", while it can refer to one made of brass, or that she wears, or that she gave to Oduduwa, really refers to Olokun being crowned with riches, brass and cowries being the height of wealth ascribed to ancient times, she is the "Owner of Riches" and the mother/owner/giver of Aje/wealth. It is Orunmila who passed through the Akoko tree and journeyed to her home in deep ocean to dwell with her. It was through the union of Orunmila, the friendship with Orunmila, that Olokun rose to power as the most powerful of all orisa and giver of wealth. When Orunmila was traveling back from her home he was bringing with him the cowrie shells, so the other orisa were surmising and discovering that this was the source of his wealth. This is also why Ifa/Orunmila is referred to as Ifa Olokoun Asorodayo, because of the great bond and friendship the two maintained and how happiness and wealth came from this union, i.e., meaning that ALL OF US can find our spiritual and material wealth by emulating this union.[/b]
the truth remains that Olokun is the Mother of Aje, her children.
]Note:You have a wrong perception on what Aje is to Yoruba tradition. Think about this.
No, I do not have a "wrong perception" what Aje means to Yoruba tradition. Olokun is the mother/spiritual owner/creator/ possessor of aje. Aje in itself comes from Olokun. Common perception to the man or woman on the street is one thing, to people in the priesthood is an entirely different matter. That there is an "orisa" called "Aje" yes, that people commonly refer to, we can all agree, but Aje is born of Olokun, not as a material issue son or daughter, but in the deeper spiritual sense, coming from her body and realm. Olokun herself was "childless" in the anthropomorphic version of her life. This is the place where people get hung up because we insist to see things on human terms, and with spiritual energies it is not black and white.

It makes no difference if one prefers male or female. All orisa are both male and female energy.
Note: It makes a lot of difference to you, hence you choose to hammer on it to foreclose collateral damage
[b]Am really not understanding your need to make a fight over this, honestly. If you have an personal issue perhaps you should take that up in another fashion? Odu Ifa are quite clear on the matter of Olokun from Ogbe Ate, Ogbe Irete, Irosun Ogbe, Ose Owonrin, Ejiogbe, Oturupon Meji. It is very important to understand that there is always a deeper meaning to verses, and when speaking of orisa is doubly so. You can take an academic who has studied Ifa, who writes books, but he or she will miss the deeper meaning inside those verses, because they do not WORK inside the tradition, they are not priest with a destiny. You will even find some babalawo and iyanifa who are superior above others. It is natural. God gives to each one certain talents and insight. Just like a professor or academic, they can shine and have good grasp of the subject matter, but the mysteries of Ifa and orisa enter a spiritual realm that is approached by destiny and surrender, to become a true representative of the power of Ifa and orisa. Again, am not sure your point in arguing here, but if it makes you happy, you are welcome. I am not in the habit of nitpicking over details with people. If this is what you believe fine, but I am not trying to sway you over in to any position or conclusion. That is meant for each person to delve into and discover. So please excuse me, I have work to do now[/b].

Odu Ifa are quite clear on the matter of Olokun from Ogbe Ate, Ogbe Irete, Irosun Ogbe, Ose Owonrin, Ejiogbe, Oturupon Meji. It is very important to understand that there is always a deeper meaning to verses, and when speaking of orisa is doubly so. You can take an academic who has studied Ifa, who writes books, but he or she will miss the deeper meaning inside those verses, because they do not WORK inside the tradition, they are not priest with a destiny. You will even find some babalawo and iyanifa who are superior above others. It is natural. God gives to each one certain talents and insight.

tpia1: ^ what's your favorite animated movie?

can i guess lion king?


just curious.

tpia1: sorry, my question was offtopic but nevertheless, can you still answer it.


is lion king your favorite animated movie or some other one.

do you watch animation?

tpia1: ^ cool.

you should watch lion king sometime.

its very interesting.

tpia1:
i think there's been enough debating and discussion on the gender of olokun.

why dont you list the attributes of olokun, move further along.

olokun is associated with wealth, beads, fertility and what else?

2prexios:



I love Yoruba movie, especially the advert part of it, true.

Ladi ooooo

itstpia1:
you got this epiphany from lion king?


nice.

i better not ask if you've watched district 9 then.

2prexios:


I did not comment because the film is hard to come by.

tpia6:


haba, why are you folks such inexperienced liars?


una dey snag women with these weak tales?

tpia6:
^ bro, stop making destruction a part of your normal lexicon or else it will stay with you.

someone will greet you, you reply lukuluku lo ma pa e, someone says hi, you reply aye e lo ma baje, someone says ladi i love you, your response is may ebola carry you.


and you say you are better than somebody with short temper? How?

anyway, i assume your attitude is due to your experiences in life which you are yet to receive healing for.

just theorizig here.

tpia6:
Ok then.

But lion king is not hard to come by though.

StarFlux:
Interesting thread as always.

2prexios:


Where are you zeemore?

Why did you have to go?

Well I believe you will be back.

I believe you are a phoenix child.

Come back home babe.

With the night comes the moon,

with day comes beautiful sunlight.

When we are out of the day's light,

we may miss the resplendent sunshine.

Come back so the day can be renewed.

keenafeeee.

Mizchief:

Ladi Akinleye

Ahoy?
You is a Buc?

2prexios:
Guess who's comin' to dinner?

Mizchief:

Ahoy!
How you be, nee to dah bee ehn?