I want to get some clarity on this organization. Some NL muslims say ISIS/ISIS are not Muslims and they are not Islamic. Can anyone with more factual information through more light on this topic?

cloudstar: I want to get some clarity on this organization. Some NL muslims say ISIS/ISIS are not Muslims and they are not Islamic. Can anyone with more factual information through more light on this topic?

Individual members maybe misguided Musliims but the group is not Islamic.

maclatunji:

Individual members maybe misguided Musliims but the group is not Islamic.

How did you determine that the group are not Islamic?

See if you can study a bit of Islamic eschatology. You may be able to get clear picture. Jewish, Christian and Islamic eschatology have a lot in common but differ as well. From eschatology perceptive, you may be able to see Islam from different view. This is better than bashing Islam and Muslims. That's irrelevant.

However, this subject requires your "internal eyes" for proper understanding. Believe it or not, what's happening is by divine plan. But they plan and God (also) plan. God's plan's will prevail.

cloudstar:

How did you determine that the group are not Islamic?

Empiree: See if you can study a bit of Islamic eschatology. You may be able to get clear picture. Jewish, Christian and Islamic eschatology have a lot in common but differ as well. From eschatology perceptive, you may be able to see Islam from different view. This is better than bashing Islam and Muslims. That's irrelevant.

However, this subject requires your "internal eyes" for proper understanding. Believe it or not, what's happening is by divine plan. But they plan and God (also) plan. God's plan's will prevail.

I didn't bash anyone, I asked a simple question. You didn't provide any answer to the question I asked. How do we determine if something is Islamic or if it's not. How do we determine if someone is a Muslim or if they are not.

Please be objective Bros and tell me why they are not Islamic

cloudstar:

I didn't bash anyone, I asked a simple question. You didn't provide any answer to the question I asked. How do we determine if something is Islamic or if it's not. How do we determine if someone is a Muslim or if they are not.

Please be objective Bros and tell me why they are not Islamic

No, i wasnt referring to you personally. I only used it to describe those bashing islam for no reason. As for your question, again, pls you need to study eschatology

"The truth that we can not deny is: ISIS learned from our schools, prayed in our mosques, listened to our media… and our religious platforms, read from our books and references, and followed fatwas (religious edicts) we produced. "
- Saad bin Tafla al Ajami Former Kuwaiti Minister of Information

www.clarionproject.org/content/isis-learned-our-schools-prayed-our-mosques-dr-elham-manea

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5688631

And again, my post got deleted by the mods for no genuine reason and guess what? I see weakness.
Wait for my exposé on Jihad next week.

Empiree: No, i wasnt referring to personally. I only used it to described those bashing islam for no reason. As for your question, again, pls you need to study eschatology

So, we have to study the eschatology and not the Quran/Hadith to answer the ISIL/ISIS question?

cloudstar:

So, we have to study the eschatology and not the Quran/Hadith to answer the ISIL/ISIS question?

Let me help you a little bit. Eschatology is derived from both Qur'an and Hadith then coupled with current political, economy and social events in our world. Like saying you should study marriage (in Islam)

usermane:

And again, my post got deleted by the mods for no genuine reason and guess what? I see weakness.
Wait for my exposé on Jihad next week.

You can post anything you want really; but i tell you, this subject is not your area. The person you quoted up there only said what he thought was right. Where they studied is really irrelevant to subject of Islamic eschatology and epistemology position in this Last Age. ilm Akhir zaman, fact.
There are approximately 100 Americans and 500 UK citizens who joined the vagabond. Did they also study in the same school with those crazies?.

Empiree: Let me help you a little bit. Eschatology is derived from both Qur'an and Hadith then coupled with current political, economy and social events in our world. Like saying you should marriage (in Islam)

Okay, can you use Eschatology to answer the question I asked. Most importantly, we have to refer back to the Quran and Hadiths for historical references

cloudstar:

Okay, can you use Eschatology to answer the question I asked. Most importantly, we have to refer back to the Quran and Hadiths for historical references

That's your homework. I will not answer this on internet. I'm sorry. Besides, it's a very complex subject. You need to study from the scratch. That's why it's your homework.

Empiree:
That's your homework. I will not answer this on internet. I'm sorry. Besides, it's a very complex subject. You need to study from the scratch. That's why it's your homework.

. So it's a home-work to determine is ISIL/ISIS is an Islamic group? It's apparent you don't have anything to contribute

U bore me. Talking like this makes me feel like you opened ths thread to make jest. Well, I am not going to engage you on this subject. This is ur homework. I have been studying eschatology for 8yrs now. A brief answer to ur question makes nosense. Rather, you need to study it. Thats how it work. So onus on you. I am not going to enage you on this until you get serious.

cloudstar:

. So it's a home-work to determine is ISIL/ISIS is an Islamic group? It's apparent you don't have anything to contribute

Empiree: U bore me. Talking like this makes me feel like you opened ths thread to make jest. Well, I am not going to engage you on this subject. This is ur homework. I have been studying eschatology for 8yrs now. A brief answer to ur question makes nosense. Rather, you need to study it. Thats how it work. So onus on you. I am not going to enage you on this until you get serious.

Omo, you are the one pissing me off right now. I opened the thread to get some insight why a group that claims to be Islamic i.e. they call themselves the Islamic State, their leader has a PHD in Islamic studies, they pray 5 times a day, they grow beards like Mohammad did.

So, I am asking anyone that has insight some insight why they claim ISIL/ISIS are not Islamic. All you have done is ignored the question I asked and started talking about something different. I asked a simple question, if you can't answer it why did you bother responding to the post.

Again, if you have no answer, please sit down and shut up.

cloudstar:

Omo, you are the one pissing me off right now. I opened the thread to get some insight why a group that claims to be Islamic i.e. they call themselves the Islamic State, their leader has a PHD in Islamic studies, they pray 5 times a day, they grow beards like Mohammad did.

So, I am asking anyone that has insight some insight why they claim ISIL/ISIS are not Islamic. All you have done is ignored the question I asked and started talking about something different. I asked a simple question, if you can't answer it why did you bother responding to the post.

Again, if you have no answer, please sit down and shut up.

I live close to army hospital, everyday soldier come in with bullet wound all over there bodies, come and see soldiers , young guys with one arm and leg, they are many, as a mata of fact some are muslim,all of them know boko haram are islamic sect, yesterday afternoon a soldier from bornue had a phone call to a friends sayin "the area they want to pass, boko haram engage them there in a gun battle, the soldier back down" most of the village the boko haram capture , they are preaching islam to them.

Bible predicted it long ago, check Genesis 16 :12. What do you expect from a 'wild man'? Just like wild animal in among domestic animals! Jews and Christians dominate innovations, sciencetific development, and d 'wild man' also specialises in destruction of lives and civilisation!

true2god: Most NL muslims do not have OND in islamic studies yet they undertstand islam more than the ISIS leader, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, who has a Phd in islamic studies. Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is a doctor of islamic studies, meaning that all his actions are in line with the trilogy of the sunnah of the prophet, the hadith and the quran.

Muslims are only denying him cos, in this modern era, the islamic world have not regular military force to fight a global jihad against the 'infidels'; they are militarily weak and will be annihilated if they try what their prophet did in 1400 years ago. A single ballistic nuclear warhead will finish the job, and the islamic nations know this.

If mohammed should wake up, declare jihad against the infidels, just as Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi and his marshalls are currently doing now, the muslims in southern Nigeria, europe and america will say he is not a true muslim.

Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is following the foot-step of the prophet of islam, but unfortunately for him (and unlike mohammed period), he cannot win any jihad in the 21st century against the 'infidels' (notably the judeo-christian world of today).

Agreed and thanks for the insightful post

maclatunji:

Individual members maybe misguided Musliims but the group is not Islamic.

But they base their actions on Islamic text. Who misguide them seeing where their sole source of inspiration is from?

Islamic State is Saudi Arabia at war. Saudi Arabia is Islamic State at peace.

Look at sharia laws in Saudi Arabia and tell me I’m wrong, it is in line with IS religio-political ideology which SA is not implementing but IS is doing exactly that.

Mee234:
But they base their actions on Islamic text. Who misguide them seeing where their sole source of inspiration is from?

It is like asking: "how come some students fail when their mates are getting As whilst they were all taught by the same teacher?".

Answer: The capacity to comprehend and correctly apply knowledge is not held by everyone.

maclatunji:

It is like asking: "how come some students fail when their mates are getting As whilst they were all taught by the same teacher?".

Answer: The capacity to comprehend and correctly apply knowledge is not held by everyone.

Some fail because they are not paying attention to the teacher not because of lack of capacity to correctly apply knowledge. Those who do not comprehend what they are being taught don't go about with zeal trying to implement the teaching. They don't even have the wherewithal to apply any knowledge seeing they don't comprehend in the first place. Don't you think if any body or group of persons consistently incorrectly apply acquired knowledge, the source of that knowledge or teacher interpreting that knowledge should be question?.

Mee234: Don't you think if any body or group of persons consistently incorrectly apply acquired knowledge, the source of that knowledge or teacher interpreting that knowledge should be question?.

I think I fully agree with you here.

maclatunji:

It is like asking: "how come some students fail when their mates are getting As whilst they were all taught by the same teacher?".

Answer: The capacity to comprehend and correctly apply knowledge is not held by everyone.

Logical irrelevance - so many Christians read the same Bible and have different interpretations but they don't slit one another throats over it. You have just confirmed that Islam has an interpretation problem. The Quran claims to be clear for all to understand, I wonder why some of it's adherents can't "understand" it.

Mee234:
Some fail because they are not paying attention to the teacher not because of lack of capacity to correctly apply knowledge. Those who do not comprehend what they are being taught don't go about with zeal trying to implement the teaching. They don't even have the wherewithal to apply any knowledge seeing they don't comprehend in the first place. Don't you think if any body or group of persons consistently incorrectly apply acquired knowledge, the source of that knowledge or teacher interpreting that knowledge should be question?.

Out of over a billion Muslims, how many are killers or criminals based on Islam?

cloudstar:

Logical irrelevance - so many Christians read the same Bible and have different interpretations but they don't slit one another throats over it. You have just confirmed that Islam has an interpretation problem. The Quran claims to be clear for all to understand, I wonder why some of it's adherents can't "understand" it.

Hahahhahahaha... I guess this is why we have a list of popes who died having sex. The understanding of the teachings of Jesus (AS) by them is deep or very good Christians coming to Africa to steal, rape and plunder for hundreds of centuries backed and funded in part by churches.

You do not even have a book. There is no single Bible, isn't that something?

maclatunji:

Hahahhahahaha... I guess this is why we have a list of popes who died having sex. The understanding of the teachings of Jesus (AS) by them is deep or very good Christians coming to Africa to steal, rape and plunder for hundreds of centuries backed and funded in part by churches.

You do not even have a book. There is no single Bible, isn't that something?

Another Muslim telling Christians they don't have a holy book when you guys can't interpret yours . Christians are not the ones slaughtering themselves and forcing others to convert. Jesus Christ didn't marry a 6 year old either.

It's an embarrassment to see what Muslims are doing to themselves in the Middle East and even here in Nigeria. As always, you will ignore the obvious and try to play the blame game. Pathetic!.

If Mohammad was alive today and owned slaves, folks like you would tell us he is not practicing true Islam. If he killed over 700 jews like he did similar to what Boko Haram and ISIS are doing - you will find way to tell us it's an interpretation problem

maclatunji:

Out of over a billion Muslims, how many are killers or criminals based on Islam?

The number must be much because almost every terror act is base on Islam. From Nigeria to Somalia, Irag, Iran. e. t. c. If you feel the number is insignificant, than the majority are not doing enough to negate the actions of this bad few.