OLAADEGBU:

Rebuke is not judgment. Constructive criticism is not tantamount to Condemnation. We in Christendom often get that fact mixed up.

Beautiful nonsense! Rebuking and criticising him and pulling down his church on a public forum is constructive abi?

No matter your denomination, just know the body of Christ is one, not many. You are actually pulling yourself and your own church down. The body of Christ should not attack or hate itself! It's preprosterous!

OLAADEGBU, pray for Pst Chris and Pst Anita, their children and CE. That's what all Christians should do. That's what love will do. Love never fails. Please don't fail.

lanre316: OLAADEGBU believes that tearing other ministries down will lend more credence to his own ministry - Deeper Life.

Don't worry. What goes around comes around. It's just a matter of time, another great scandal will rock deeper life to the core, greater than Kumuyi's son wedding fiasco.

May God forbid such in Jesus name. Amen. Are you sure you are a BORN-AGAIN christian? If you are, you'd never pray for such. It's a good thing that God doesn't answer such prayers.

OLAADEGBU:

Rebuke is not judgment. Constructive criticism is not tantamount to Condemnation. We in Christendom often get that fact mixed up.

Bro, you just reminded me of yesterday's M.B.S. Keep up the good work.

OLAADEGBU:

Here is an excerpt of point 2 of the article that I have confirmed with Joagbaje on this forum and that I have also observed happening with relatives of mine who are members of his church:

You didn't confirm anything from me o bros .i thought you have repented from these "I'm holier than thou" spirit

This doctrine gives me reason for concern in Christendom today.

You should rather be more concerned about this satanic gossip ministry you enjoy. Better to invest your money and time to talk about Jesus than criticizing others. Besides your title is wrong . She didn't accuse him of adultery and even if she does , it has to be proven and not assumed . Holy brother


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lanre316: OLAADEGBU believes that tearing other ministries down will lend more credence to his own ministry - Deeper Life.

It's sad . It's a spirit .

Don't worry. What goes around comes around. It's just a matter of time, another great scandal will rock deeper life to the core, greater than Kumuyi's son wedding fiasco.

The guy is typical hypocrite .There have been several scandal against pastors and leaders in his ministry (DEEPER LIFE) cases from rape case to 419. How come his holiness don't publish these good news ? Even when such threads are opened he runs away and pretend not to see them . But if it's another church That is when he gets CONCERNED about the body of the LORRRD.

OLAADEGBU:
. Do you now see the danger in that heretical doctrine of "New Creation"?

Dude What is heretical about new creation? . Don't just cast stone . Prove your case scripturally . The gospel is about new creation. The fact that you don't understand a teaching doesn't make it wrong

The quickest way to broker peace between Joagbaje and his holiness Olaadegbu is to talk about TITHES where both seem to be in total agreement.

Money matters bring strange bedfellows together.

LordHaveMercy: The quickest way to broker peace between Joagbaje and his holiness Olaadegbu is to talk about TITHES where both seem to be in total agreement.

sbaks:

critisms for how long brother?? Going to 3 weeks?? 'Haba!' If GOD criticizes you for 3 weeks, would you be able to stand in his presence?? Haba! Criticism is good 'but 3 days never do??' I'm suprised at you!!! Don't you of all people know that pastors need MUCH MORE ENCOURAGEMENTS and PRAYERS compared to congregants?? 'Haba!' This topic has ran for weeks if I'm not mistaken. 'Abeg, make una start to pray for am ABEG!!!! Christianity no easy'

I am more concerned about the heretical doctrines that leads to sinful practises in his adherents than any particular person who has chosen his own path in life. Great minds think of ideas while little minds think of persons.

sbaks:

I've not heard his messages, and I don't really listen as such, but I believe a sinner needs prayers and a godly counsel

I am not in position to give him counsel, I am more concerned in the heresy that is leading many people astray.

sbaks:

@olaadegbu just keep praying for him. I've heard so many things though(about him and his ministry) but prayers could help 'abi?'. From what i see, "i think" he started the race well but along the line............

The Church of God is marching on and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

DeeMain:

Beautiful nonsense! Rebuking and criticising him and pulling down his church on a public forum is constructive abi?

No matter your denomination, just know the body of Christ is one, not many. You are actually pulling yourself and your own church down. The body of Christ should not attack or hate itself! It's preprosterous!

OLAADEGBU, pray for Pst Chris and Pst Anita, their children and CE. That's what all Christians should do. That's what love will do. Love never fails. Please don't fail.

"Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap" (Galatians 6:7).

Chi59:

May God forbid such in Jesus name. Amen. Are you sure you are a BORN-AGAIN christian? If you are, you'd never pray for such. It's a good thing that God doesn't answer such prayers.

Let's hope and pray that he learns that lesson and repents.

Chi59:

Bro, you just reminded me of yesterday's M.B.S. Keep up the good work.

Thanks. I am also looking forward to listening to that message in our church today.

Oh dear o dear. . . .

So this thread is because people believe that Adams sin was greater than Christ's sacrifice and as such when someone was in Adam, regardless of what good thing he did he remained a sinner but when he became a new creation if per adventure he sinned he immediately became a sinner again, needing to be re-saved?

Okay ooo.

I have to then assume that you who didn't believe in the heretical messages of the MOG have 100% sinless christians in your midst like the one's who were not accused of (and later confessed to) stealing 100Bs of Naira from the banks that they owned.

I see.

Joagbaje:

You didn't confirm anything from me o bros .i thought you have repented from these "I'm holier than thou" spirit

Are you now denying that you said sins committed in the body does not affect your right standing with God?

Joagbaje:

You should rather be more concerned about this satanic gossip ministry you enjoy. Better to invest your money and time to talk about Jesus than criticizing others. Besides your title is wrong . She didn't accuse him of adultery and even if she does , it has to be proven and not assumed . Holy brother


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What's wrong with critique? Are you similar to the other religion that cannot stand criticism?

OLAADEGBU:

Thanks. I am also looking forward to listening to that message in our church today.

Didn't you go for the M.B.S yesterday?

Joagbaje:

It's sad . It's a spirit .



The guy is typical hypocrite .There have been several scandal against pastors and leaders in his ministry (DEEPER LIFE) cases from rape case to 419. How come his holiness don't publish these good news ? Even when such threads are opened he runs away and pretend not to see them . But if it's another church That is when he gets CONCERNED about the body of the LORRRD.

"If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified. But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters. Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf. For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?" (1 Peter 4:14-17)

Whoever suffers as a criminal should bear with it, if Christians suffer unjustly God will vindicate them. There are no sacred cows here.

Joagbaje:

Dude What is heretical about new creation? . Don't just cast stone . Prove your case scripturally . The gospel is about new creation. The fact that you don't understand a teaching doesn't make it wrong

It is what you teach about the "New Creation" that is heretical. The fact that you teach that sins committed does not affect your right standing with God, is what is heretical. I have seen the damage that this doctrine of yours has made in the marriages of those close to me. So, I know what I'm talking about.

LordHaveMercy:

The quickest way to broker peace between Joagbaje and his holiness Olaadegbu is to talk about TITHES where both seem to be in total agreement.

Money matters bring strange bedfellows together.

This is not about taking sides with men as you guys do, it's about who is on the Lord's side. Are you on the Lord's side or on man's side?

PastorKun:

Does that imply that you also take sides with this heretical doctrine?

LordHaveMercy: The quickest way to broker peace between Joagbaje and his holiness Olaadegbu is to talk about TITHES where both seem to be in total agreement.

Money matters bring strange bedfellows together.

In fact...

In fact...

PM your account number to me. I must give something for this wise observation.

sbaks: Look! He that has not sinned should be the FIRST TO CAST A STONE. I don't like the way people are going about this issue. He is a brother in the LORD. If he is erring, pray for him or better still, COUNSEL HIM. We should learn to cover our shame and unclothedness in christendom.

point of correction, pastor chris is a criminal on the lord.

sbaks: Look! He that has not sinned should be the FIRST TO CAST A STONE. I don't like the way people are going about this issue. He is a brother in the LORD. If he is erring, pray for him or better still, COUNSEL HIM. We should learn to cover our shame and unclothedness in christendom.

point of correction, pastor chris is a criminal in the lord.

Eruditor:

Oh dear o dear. . . .

So this thread is because people believe that Adams sin was greater than Christ's sacrifice and as such when someone was in Adam, regardless of what good thing he did he remained a sinner but when he became a new creation if per adventure he sinned he immediately became a sinner again, needing to be re-saved?

Okay ooo.

I have to then assume that you who didn't believe in the heretical messages of the MOG have 100% sinless christians in your midst like the one's who were not accused of (and later confessed to) stealing 100Bs of Naira from the banks that they owned.

I see.

This is where the problem lies...

Chi59:

Didn't you go for the M.B.S yesterday?

No. Our Bible Studies are on Tuesdays.

WinsomeX:

In fact...

In fact...

PM your account number to me. I must give something for this wise observation.

Anyone who agrees with the Word of God is in agreement with me.

OLAADEGBU:

No. Our Bible Studies are on Tuesdays.

Ok. Are you on Facebook? I'd like to add you as a facebook friend. What's your username?

OLAADEGBU:
This is where the problem lies...

Enlighten me from the scriptures. Let us see what is heretical and what is not.

I am already here wondering why Jesus had to die when we were better of obeying the ten commandments to be or remain saved.

Chi59:

Ok. Are you on Facebook? I'd like to add you as a facebook friend. What's your username?

Check my profile for my email address for the answer.

Eruditor:

Enlighten me from the scriptures. Let us see what is heretical and what is not.

I am already here wondering why Jesus had to die when we were better of obeying the ten commandments to be or remain saved.

It is heretical to teach and believe that Jesus suffered in hellfire according to your doctrine.

It is also heretical to teach and believe that the sins (adultery/fornication) committed in the body does not affect your righteousness in the spirit.

OLAADEGBU:
It is heretical to teach and believe that Jesus suffered in hellfire according to your doctrine.
It is also heretical to teach and believe that the sins (adultery/fornication) committed in the body does not affect your righteousness in the spirit.

Jesus went to Hell, but not to suffer. He went there to collect the keys of Hell and of Death from the one who had it- the devil. He also set free men of God in the OT who could not yet go to heaven because Jesus had not died and resurrected.

Jesus went to hell as the son of man (not as the son of God). Son of man means he was man's representative to God.

As per sin and what it can do to a Christian, it can affect his relationship with God (from the angle of sin-consciousness). It can make demons disobey you. It can cause sicknesses and diseases to fasten themselves to you. It could lead to death BUT it cannot change a man's righteousness in God because God gave that as an unmerited gift- free of charge on accepting Jesus Christ as lord.