OLAADEGBU:
This doctrine gives me reason for concern in Christendom today.

I see nothing wrong with the doctrine...

Romans 11.29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

Eruditor:

Jesus went to Hell, but not to suffer. He went there to collect the keys of Hell and of Death from the one who had it- the devil. He also set free men of God in the OT who could not yet go to heaven because Jesus had not died and resurrected.

Jesus went to hell as the son of man (not as the son of God). Son of man means he was man's representative to God.

As per sin and what it can do to a Christian, it can affect his relationship with God (from the angle of sin-consciousness). It can make demons disobey you. It can cause sicknesses and diseases to fasten themselves to you. It could lead to death BUT it cannot change a man's righteousness in God because God gave that as an unmerited gift- free of charge on accepting Jesus Christ as lord.

In other words, you can live like the devil after you've accepted Jesus Christ as Lord.

MaziOmenuko:

I see nothing wrong with the doctrine...

Romans 11.29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

Can you continue to minister to God after getting off the bed of an adulterer? You may be able minister to men after that sin but no doubt you will not be able to minister to God until you repent.

OLAADEGBU:

Can you continue to minister to God after getting off the bed of an adulterer? You may be able minister to men after that sin but no doubt you will not be able to minister to God until you repent.

I used the bible to back up my points. Stop trying to understand Christianity thru ur logical reasoning. Isn't that what you accuse atheist of? Spiritual things needs spiritual maturity to understand; once again...

Romans 11.29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

Btw, just so we're clear, I'm not discussing any person or pastor here. I only stopped by b'cos of the wrong assertion you were trying to make. Don't use any case of any pastor to reply me, else I'll leave your thread for you

MaziOmenuko:

I used the bible to back up my points. Stop trying to understand Christianity thru ur logical reasoning. Isn't that what you accuse atheist of? Spiritual things needs spiritual maturity to understand; once again...

Romans 11.29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

Btw, just so we're clear, I'm not discussing any person or pastor here. I only stopped by b'cos of the wrong assertion you were trying to make. Don't use any case of any pastor to reply me, else I'll leave your thread for you

If you want to know the meaning of that verse you quoted and how it applies to this thread I'll tell you. It means God can fire a person and at the same time leave him to continue in his employment (without pay). Is that clear?

OLAADEGBU:

If you want to know the meaning of that verse you quoted and how it applies to this thread I'll tell you. It mean God can fire a person and at the same time leave him to continue in his employment. Is that clear?

Nope, I don't want to know the meaning, I already know the meaning. It wasn't a proverb, it was written simple and apt; and doesn't need any other false interpretation.

Once again....

Romans > 11.29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

Stop adding or removing; isn't that what the bible thought you

Eruditor:

Jesus went to Hell, but not to suffer. He went there to collect the keys of Hell and of Death from the one who had it- the devil. He also set free men of God in the OT who could not yet go to heaven because Jesus had not died and resurrected.

Jesus went to hell as the son of man (not as the son of God). Son of man means he was man's representative to God.

As per sin and what it can do to a Christian, it can affect his relationship with God (from the angle of sin-consciousness). It can make demons disobey you. It can cause sicknesses and diseases to fasten themselves to you. It could lead to death BUT it cannot change a man's righteousness in God because God gave that as an unmerited gift- free of charge on accepting Jesus Christ as lord.

Are you implying a "born again sinner" is in right standing with God and can make heaven on his/her passing on? Kinda hard to swallow me think.

OLAADEGBU:
In other words, you can live like the devil after you've accepted Jesus Christ as Lord.

Why would I receive a new life from Christ and then accept the base life of sin that I was born in and not getting blessed by?

4C2215131:

Are you implying a "born again sinner" is in right standing with God and can make heaven on his/her passing on? Kinda hard to swallow me think.

There's is nothing like Born Again sinner. You are either a sinner or you are born again.

The question is who is a sinner and who is born again?

MaziOmenuko:

Nope, I don't want to know the meaning, I already know the meaning. It wasn't a proverb, it was written simple and apt; and doesn't need any other false interpretation.

Once again....

Romans > 11.29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

Stop adding or removing; isn't that what the bible thought you

The more reason why we should not follow so called "men of God" because you don't know whether they've been fired even though they still got the gift to keep working.

Eruditor:

There's is nothing like Born Again sinner. You are either a sinner or you are born again.

The question is who is a sinner and who is born again?

It's still a question I'm posing to you. I coined the term couretesy of your re-joinder. Will a born again thief or fornicator who per chance died via a car accident while returning from the bank where he went to lodge money 'stolen' from his firm the day before be welcome at St.Peter's gate? Note, he ministered in church the night before with signs and wonders accompanying the service.

4C2215131:
It's still a question I'm posing to you. I coined the term couretesy of your re-joinder. Will a born again thief or fornicator who per chance died via a car accident while returning from the bank where he went to lodge money 'stolen' from his firm the day before be welcome at St.Peter's gate? Note, he ministered in church the night before with signs and wonders accompanying the service.

If a sinner (an Armed Robber) gets shot during a crossfire with the Police and before he dies he asks all his loot to be sent to an orphanage where will he go to?

Eruditor:

If a sinner (an Armed Robber) gets shot during a crossfire with the Police and before he dies he asks all his loot to be sent to an orphanage where will he go to?

Good! Now you talking like a liberal. I rest my case.

OLAADEGBU:
Are you now denying that you said sins committed in the body does not affect your right standing with God?

That's a broad language . I won't assume you understand what "right standing with God " is. So don't entrap me.

My position on sin has been . That Christ has given us dominion over sin, and if a christian sin. He has christ as advocate. There's grace for forgiveness.

Concerning right standing . We are talking about the nature of righteousness . There's no sin committed in the body that can change a christian from having the nature of righteousness . There are consequences of continuing in sin, sin can rob a man of graces in God. The evil that comes through sin is not from God . It's from the enemy and accuser. Who can use christian sins as point if contact to afflict them.

So if you wanna quote me . Quote me right.

OLAADEGBU:

It is what you teach about the "New Creation" that is heretical. The fact that you teach that sins committed does not affect your right standing with God, is what is heretical. I have seen the damage that this doctrine of yours has made in the marriages of those close to me. So, I know what I'm talking about.

Dont be a hypocrite Don't you commit sin. You've COMMITED enough on this forum . For self righteous people like you . The only thing you see as sin is sex. But the gossip you do is holy gossip .

4C2215131:
Good! Now you talking like a liberal. I rest my case.

I am not sure we are saying the same things.

OLAADEGBU:

Does that imply that you also take sides with this heretical doctrine?

Sharrap we all know when it comes to matters of the belly, you and joagbaje agree on the heretical doctrine of tithes. Ole barawo buruku

Joagbaje:

That's a broad language . I won't assume you understand what "right standing with God " is. So don't entrap me.

My position on sin has been . That Christ has given us dominion over sin, and if a christian sin. He has christ as advocate. There's grace for forgiveness.

Concerning right standing . We are talking about the nature of righteousness . There's no sin committed in the body that can change a christian from having the nature of righteousness . There are consequences of continuing in sin, sin can rob a man of graces in God. The evil that comes through sin is not from God . It's from the enemy and accuser. Who can use christian sins as point if contact to afflict them.

So if you wanna quote me . Quote me right.

Gan!
Very apt response

Eruditor:

I am not sure we are saying the same things.

OLAADEGBU:

The more reason why we should not follow so called "men of God" because you don't know whether they've been fired even though they still got the gift to keep working.

I'm stunned! Has someone hacked ola's account?

Joagbaje:

That's a broad language . I won't assume you understand what "right standing with God " is. So don't entrap me.

My position on sin has been . That Christ has given us dominion over sin, and if a christian sin. He has christ as advocate. There's grace for forgiveness.

Concerning right standing . We are talking about the nature of righteousness . There's no sin committed in the body that can change a christian from having the nature of righteousness . There are consequences of continuing in sin, sin can rob a man of graces in God. The evil that comes through sin is not from God . It's from the enemy and accuser. Who can use christian sins as point if contact to afflict them.

So if you wanna quote me . Quote me right.

Is that because you now see yourself as a god?

Joagbaje:

Dont be a hypocrite Don't you commit sin. You've COMMITED enough on this forum . For self righteous people like you . The only thing you see as sin is sex. But the gossip you do is holy gossip .

You might as well say that Paul was gossipping when he said the following:

"It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife. And you are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that has done this deed might be taken away from among you. For I verily, as absent in the body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that has so done this deed" (1 Cor.5:1-3).

You can see how immorality can defile the church and instead of you to show remorse you are here boasting that it's no big deal.

PastorKun:

Sharrap we all know when it comes to matters of the belly, you and joagbaje agree on the heretical doctrine of tithes. Ole barawo buruku

We know that you are fixated on tithes. There's more to life that tithes and offerings, giving your life to Christ comes top.

Gombs:

I'm stunned! Has someone hacked ola's account?

When I said fired I meant to be sacked by God. God sacked Adam when he ate of the forbidden fruit but was allowed to continue living until he eventually expired.

OLAADEGBU:

You might as well say that Paul was gossipping when he said the following:

Paul had every right to rebuke in churches in his domain under his jurisdiction . How can that be gossip. Your own talks are gossip .

OLAADEGBU:
You can see how immorality can defile the church

Every sin defile . Gossip , mummuring, hate, bitterness etc . All are in the same boat. Why cherry picking ?

and instead of you to show remorse you are here boasting that it's no big deal.

Show remorse for what na? Did I commit a sin?

Joagbaje:

Paul had every right to rebuke in churches in his domain under his jurisdiction . How can that be gossip. Your own talks are gossip .

If Paul had kept it within the confines of his jurisdiction how come the whole world knows about it? It also follows that if you had kept your doctrine within the confines of your church we will not be here rebuking you of heresy. Christians have the right to judge and discern false prophets by their fruits.

Joagbaje:

Every sin defile . Gossip , mummuring, hate, bitterness etc . All are in the same boat. Why cherry picking ?




Show remorse for what na? Did I commit a sin?

It is not gossip to me it is personal because some of my loved ones have been hurt as a result of your heresies.

OLAADEGBU:

It is not gossip to me it is personal because some of my loved ones have been hurt as a result of your heresies.

So now the whole thread thing is personal? Tell me how would this change situations of your loved ones?

And bro, it's gossiping, no matter how you sugar coat it

OLAADEGBU:

If Paul had kept it within the confines of his jurisdiction how come the whole world knows about it? It also follows that if you had kept your doctrine within the confines of your church we will not be here rebuking you of heresy. Christians have the right to judge and discern false prophets by their fruits.

It takes grace for you to take correction. It's obvious you realised the truth I'm passing across but little pride is hindering your acceptance . Hence this your deliberate twisting which is not making sense.

Paul wrote letter to churches under him as their pastor . That is not gossip at all .

Olaadegbu gossip of churches and ministers is busybody .and being judgemental of other men servant .

If you want to judge . You can judge doctrine and deed by the word . But you are judging individual with biase and false accusation .

And this hypocrisy is only to other churches . Who evil things are said and exposed about deeper life church thst you attend you don't apply the same principle .

I'm never in a position to condemn ministers but we should judge righteous judgement . You choose to believe lies not the word

OLAADEGBU:

It is not gossip to me it is personal because some of my loved ones have been hurt as a result of your heresies.

You don't get personal with the word. Have people and family not been hurt by your church doctrine . Is your doctrine 100% correct? Why dont you make gbeborun news out of them .

If a loved one of yours hot hurt why would you think it's the new creation message thsts the issue . Could it be that they misunderstood what they heard?

Jesus was misquoted , paul was misquoted and misunderstood in their days and labelled as false . Some have misunderstood paul yo their destruction , does thst make paul doctrine as false?. You should deal with specifics and not general blanket if you're a spiritual person . This gbeborun gossip thing is a weakness in your life that you need to deal with . It's carnal . But you think it's holiness. One sided holiness for thst matter becsuse you don't apply it to the maggot in your church .

My advice to you is to deal with topic and not personalities . I shouldn't kumuyi is a false teacher because he said handshake with opposite sex is wrong. I should rather say " is handshake with opposite sex wrong ? Then let's discuss biblically . It shouldn't be about kumuyi or deeper life. Personality attack may be sweet because it gives you the feeling of " we are better' but it's carnal and unspiritual

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It takes grace for you to take correction. It's obvious you realised the truth I'm passing acros but little pride is hindering your acceptance . Hence this your deliberate twisting which is not making sense.

I thought I was the only one who noticed that

Paul wrote letter to churches under him as their pastor . That is not gossip at all .

Ola, is it gossip?

Olaadegbu gossip of churches and ministers is busybody .and being judgemental of other men servant .

I'm sure daddy Kumuiyi won't do what ola did...overly busybody and judgemental

If you want to judge . You can judge doctrine and deed by the word . But you are judging individual with biase and false accusation .

He is on the "I said it" bandwagon

And this hypocrisy is only to other churches . Who evil things are said and exposed about deeper life church thst you attend you don't apply the same principle .

Gbam

I'm never in a positionto condemn ministers but we should judge righteous judgement . You choose to believe lies not the word

I can't find myself in such, the Coza saga, the KICC own, Yung gi Cho, even deeper life GO son's wedding debacle, I did not for one day followed the media nor judged any...I prayed. Sadly, a lot of Christians see these as "thier wahala".... an attack on the church no matter the denomination is an attack on the body of Christ. But ola of all people decided to join the media spread lies