crackhaus:
Really Sophy, I can't believe you would ask me this...however, going by your antecedents on discussions regarding marriage, I can't say I'm surprised.

If I'm reading you right, and although you didn't type it...I'm inclined to presume that you associate the 'head of a household' to whoever brings in the most cheddar or whomever is the sole breadwinner.

If that's your stance, then we can't deliberate on this further.

Kachisbarbie:
Ok...now I understand why your school of thought comes out very aggressive.

The Christian family Organogram :God the Father - God The Son - God the Holy Spirit - Husband - Wife - Children.
It's the responsibility of the man to provide leadership (1Corin 11:3)
-train the kids (prov 22:6)
-provide for the family (1Tim 5: 8 )

...but no matter how things may turn around, that Organogram set by God, shouldn't be changed. A man remains the head of the family, the woman may be the financial head...etc...BUT...she isn't the head of the family (Submission- Eph 5:22-24)
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BABE3:

So the head must provide every single basic necessities of life in the home; You say the man should typically play this role; so of what use are you in the home as a wife, sophy?

Kachisbarbie:
Ok...now I understand why your school of thought comes out very aggressive.

The Christian family Organogram :God the Father - God The Son - God the Holy Spirit - Husband - Wife - Children.
It's the responsibility of the man to provide leadership (1Corin 11:3)
-train the kids (prov 22:6)
-provide for the family (1Tim 5: 8 )

...but no matter how things may turn around, that Organogram set by God, shouldn't be changed. A man remains the head of the family, the woman may be the financial head...etc...BUT...she isn't the head of the family (Submission- Eph 5:22-24)

These women are still trying hard to put up a good picture to people around them, pampering the man, maybe that's why they are so comfortable lazing about.
There is the kind of 'polite insult' they should be giving him, that would make him sit up.

Sophyrocks:

As a Head of a family, are you not to PROVIDE for your family? If your wife earns more than you do, does that mean you should leave all financial responsibilities to her? I'm not focusing on who earns more. I am focusing on who carries out the responsibilities of a Head. I can earn more than my husband but that doess not mean i must be the Head. A true Head carries out responsibilities inspite of what he earns and makes sure he is the driving force in the home. His wife may choose to support as a partner that she is but he the Head takes charge and does not leave his responsibilities for his wife to carry. That is the mistake most men make when they see that their wives earn more. They sit down and leave everything for their wives to do.

andromida:

How come you quoted Tim 5:8 and did not see this- But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

crackhaus:
You're contradicting your position.
What are you saying exactly? Is it that you believe whoever shoulders the financial responsibilities assumes headship or is it that a man is always the head regardless of who is the breadwinner going by the emboldened?

Sophyrocks:

No I am not contradicting myself. Read slowly. The Head is to provide. A wife is to complement/be his partner. A man who deliberately sits down, does nothing and leaves major financial responsibilities for his wife is not playing the role of the Head. You are to provide a larger share financially as the Head. That is your role. TO PROVIDE. It is only when your financial status is incapable of solving other problems that your wife can be a partner. As the Head, you are the person who should take major financial responsibilities.

Kachisbarbie:

Younglady, did I argue with the fact that the man is an 'infidel'?
I only said he is still the 'head' of the family.

Ok, I get your point @ Sophyrocks. You're right though, I'm only looking @ it from the Christian side, but Christianity aside, the guy no try @all.

Sophyrocks:

Please define the role of the Head of a family. ANYBODY WHO PLAYS THAT ROLE IN THE HOME, MALE OR FEMALE, IS THE HEAD. As a man who calls himself the head, are you to sit down and allow your wife play your role for you?

pickabeau1:


What if the man is providing say 30 per cent...is he still the head

So are u saying being a husband is all about provision

Why then do u castigate fathers who provide but are not always around

coogar:

how come men don't cry out that they slave to feed their housewives. must women moan over everything? when women were asked to sit at home so men would bring the bacon - they screamed out that they are being marginalised or discriminated against.

now men are taking the backseat so that women can do what they have always wanted to do & yet they are still screaming that they are slaving to feed their husbands. which is which? feminism fought for 50 years to put women in this position, it would be heartbreaking if women are still not satisfied.

Emmalot121: Equality is not in the natural order of things, and the crusade to make everyone equal in every respect (except before the law) is certain to have disastrous consequences.—Murray Rothbard

iwakolewa:
So,the tables are being turned now....but in a different way, the men are taking a backseat, cheating on the women who are doing what they should be doing and even getting violent with them....

carefreewannabe: These "head discussions" make me think that people don't have heads.

Kachisbarbie:

Younglady, did I argue with the fact that the man is an 'infidel'?
I only said he is still the 'head' of the family.

Ok, I get your point @ Sophyrocks. You're right though, I'm only looking @ it from the Christian side, but Christianity aside, the guy no try @all.

coogar:

and who told you housewives back then didn't cheat on their husbands? where was potiphar when his wife was harassing young joseph?

Sophyrocks:

Equality, to me, is all about 'doing unto others what you would like them to do unto you'.

iwakolewa:
that was back then

andromida:

How come you quoted Tim 5:8 and did not see this- But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

Emmalot121: We are not saying the same thing.

coogar:

nothing has changed....an idle mind is a workshop of the devil. if a good looking man is left at home to become a house-husband, then one should expect housewives in that area to form some sort of covalent bonding with him.

Emmalot121: I doubt the quality of your brain.

andromida:

You went with the biblical POV and apparently the bible points the head Must provide not only as a husband,father or son where parents can no longer provide for themselves but also as a sign of faith in God once he stops providing he has denied his faith. The scriptures holds the man very responsible for his household.

Just keeping it balanced in terms of headship.

Stillfire: The roles have really not been defined in these households. The man still thinks he's the head. The man must willingly accept his role as a househusband and the wife as the head of the household. The head of the household has to be firm on how money should be spent. The woman should not complain if the husband takes care of the home, the kids, cooks, and makes the house presentable. If you lose your job, kindly make yourself useful on the home front. That is why it takes two to make a marriage. When one falls, the roles can be reversed.

tpia1: More females are financially empowered these days, so this is going to be a common scenario at some point.


In olden times the men would have had their farms or other endeavours.

However, the women mentioned should weigh their options- gigolos also don't come free.

In addition, the men ( husbands) should at least not allow satan to destroy their homes with all this cheating.

Sophyrocks:

As a Head of a family, are you not to PROVIDE for your family? If your wife earns more than you do, does that mean you should leave all financial responsibilities to her? I'm not focusing on who earns more. I am focusing on who carries out the responsibilities of a Head. I can earn more than my husband but that doess not mean i must be the Head. A true Head carries out responsibilities inspite of what he earns and makes sure he is the driving force in the home. His wife may choose to support as a partner that she is but he the Head takes charge and does not leave his responsibilities for his wife to carry. That is the mistake most men make when they see that their wives earn more. They sit down and leave everything for their wives to do.

coogar:

how come men don't cry out that they slave to feed their housewives.