PastorKun:



A miracle can't verified You now see the damage oyakhilome is doing to your already pathetic mental faculties. This criminal has totally destroyed your ability to reason. I remember this was the manipulative lie that he told his victims when NBC insisted he must verify his miracles before airing them. He said " how can mere mortals want to verify spiritual things"? Thus confusing his victims and giving him an escape route for his inability to verify even a single miracle.

I pray God delivers you, Gombs and others from the spell of oyakhilome. Amen( I suspect joagbaje's case is beyond redemption though as he might have sold his soul to the devil)

OmoPastor:
I thought this thread was about the program that held at the Excel center, what's all these rantings am reading here.
OP please post pix of the program, miracles, excerpts of the Word etc.
Thanks

Gombs:


Can all Jesus' miracles be verified naturally? If yes, how can one verify these? See what some folks already said of Jesus' miracles

Jesus was born of a virgin (Matt. 1:25). It could be said that Jesus was born normally, and myth crept into the story of Christ's birth in order to make Him seem special.  After all, how do you verify a virgin birth?

Jesus changed water into wine (John 2:6-10)
It is possible for anyone to say that Jesus switched the water for wine or had some help in doing it. Else, how could anyone verify it, it's those servant's word against anyone's?

Jesus caused the disciples to catch a large load of fish (Luke 5:4-6).
I can come up with only one account for the time when Jesus instructed the disciples to cast their net into the water; they caught a large amount of fish even though they had been fishing all night long and caught nothing.  From that shore, Jesus was somehow able to see into the water and spot the fish swimming there.  How do we verify this was a miracle?

Jesus cast out demons (Matt. 8:28-32; 15:22-28).
It is possible that demons were never cast out of anyone.  It is possible that the people were pretending to be sick and then appeared cured after Jesus did whatever He did to cure them.  

Jesus raised the dead (Matt. 9:25; John 11:43-44).
Those who were dead really only appeared to be dead--given that the people of the time were not aware of many of the medical intricacies that can lead to people looking dead when they were not really dead. 

Jesus cured deafness (Mark 7:32-35).
The deaf person was not really deaf.  It was a trick--a previously arranged setup to make Jesus look good.

Moral of story... No need verifying anything to anybody, for they'd have their own theory of the matter. Days ago, Joagbaje put up a video of a HIV case, alot of folks here had their own theories about it, no matter the proofs submitted. Same thing in the crusade he had, folks still had their theory. What then? Keep healing folks in the name of Jesus and let those waiting for verification keep waiting.

If you and NBC need verification, it's not a new thing, folks in Jesus' day needed it too.

Gombs:


Can all Jesus' miracles be verified naturally? If yes, how can one verify these? See what some folks already said of Jesus' miracles

Jesus was born of a virgin (Matt. 1:25). It could be said that Jesus was born normally, and myth crept into the story of Christ's birth in order to make Him seem special.  After all, how do you verify a virgin birth?

Jesus changed water into wine (John 2:6-10)
It is possible for anyone to say that Jesus switched the water for wine or had some help in doing it. Else, how could anyone verify it, it's those servant's word against anyone's?

Jesus caused the disciples to catch a large load of fish (Luke 5:4-6).
I can come up with only one account for the time when Jesus instructed the disciples to cast their net into the water; they caught a large amount of fish even though they had been fishing all night long and caught nothing.  From that shore, Jesus was somehow able to see into the water and spot the fish swimming there.  How do we verify this was a miracle?

Jesus cast out demons (Matt. 8:28-32; 15:22-28).
It is possible that demons were never cast out of anyone.  It is possible that the people were pretending to be sick and then appeared cured after Jesus did whatever He did to cure them.  

Jesus raised the dead (Matt. 9:25; John 11:43-44).
Those who were dead really only appeared to be dead--given that the people of the time were not aware of many of the medical intricacies that can lead to people looking dead when they were not really dead. 

Jesus cured deafness (Mark 7:32-35).
The deaf person was not really deaf.  It was a trick--a previously arranged setup to make Jesus look good.

Moral of story... No need verifying anything to anybody, for they'd have their own theory of the matter. Days ago, Joagbaje put up a video of a HIV case, alot of folks here had their own theories about it, no matter the proofs submitted. Same thing in the crusade he had, folks still had their theory. What then? Keep healing folks in the name of Jesus and let those waiting for verification keep waiting.

If you and NBC need verification, it's not a new thing, folks in Jesus' day needed it too.

PastorKun:


Congratulations in your attempt to bring Jesus down whilst glorifying oyaks and joagbaje.

There is nothing difficult about verifying a simple case of miraculous healing, shame on your thieving pastor for not being able to verify a single one of his so called miracles.

One question Mr, Did anybody in the time of Jesus doubt any of the miracles he performed?

Wasn't it a general consensus that he had powers?

Did people not think the Apostles were gods? and even tried to worship them because of undeniable miracles?

Joagbajes video was a joke

Gombs:

Really? Folks doubted God himself in the days of the old church, ask Moses! Why won't they doubt Jesus and why not Jo or Pastor Chris or any other Christian?

Lobeez:


Don't play smart mr Gombs, was the miracles of Jesus or the apostles ever in doubt by the people of their time?

Yes when people doubted Moses, God always performed a miracle through him that shut them up. those miracles were never denied read your bible Mr

Lobeez:


7.5 million my bum, those figures are usually exaggerated. I'll give you and example, Pastor Chris has been reported by his ministry to pull up to 3.5million people during a crusade at the national stadium surulere. now tell me, hows that possible? Lets do a small maths okay
if the total sitting capacity of the stadium is 60,000 for instance, and the open field takes the same capacity of 60,000 that totals to 120,000 right? lets assume the impossible that the overflow outside the stadium takes twice this number that is 240,000 (impossible) that means total attendance grosses at 380,000 which is still less than half a million. Yet this liars claimed they had 3.5million people in attendance and even called it a conservative estimate. Wow!



You're not current dude, Holyfield was later confirmed to have been misdiagnosed, even the wikipedia link you posted admits this

"...Holyfield later stated that his heart was misdiagnosed due to the morphine pumped into his body."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evander_Holyfield

After this discovery he was interviewed and this is what he said "There really was not anything to heal. That is because I do not believe that I had a problem with my heart to begin with."



That is so not true, none of Hinns miracles have checked out. Most of his miracle recipients have been traced and all have been found to either still live with the same sicknesses or that their conditions were exaggerated or that they have even died.
Some of his books have been rewritten several times because of false testimonies he published and he was forced to remove the testimonies.



With all pleasure Sir


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HH4J75BfPbA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnEo6-i_aZw

PastorKun:



A miracle can't be verified

You now see the damage oyakhilome is doing to your already pathetic mental faculties. This criminal has totally destroyed your ability to reason.

That you choose to see things as expressed above is not a new thing sir! Ride on Pastor Kunle your congregation dey applaud you!

I remember this was the manipulative lie that he told his victims when NBC insisted he must verify his miracles before airing them. He said " how can mere mortals want to verify spiritual things"? Thus confusing his victims and giving him an escape route for his inability to verify even a single miracle.

It begs the question therefore, thou Pastor Kunle that: What is a miracle?
Can you explain how 5 loafs and 2 fishes feed 5000 men (excluding women and children)?
Can you explain with proof sir how a woman without ovaries conceive a baby, carry it for 9 months and give birth to that child?
Or how a disease that was medically incurable became cured?
That's all!

I pray God delivers you, Gombs and others from the spell of oyakhilome. Amen!

Too late sir! We're sold out for Christ already!

(I suspect joagbaje's case is beyond redemption though as he is all out for God)

Fixed
Do have a blissful sunday sir!

Can you explain with proof sir how a woman without ovaries conceive a baby, carry it for 9 months and give birth to that child?

Lobeez:


stop trying to shift the post dude, we're talking about the miracles of Jesus and the Apostles; none was doubted, they only doubted the source of power.




If he did provide any proof of his miracles, he would not have remained banned




Yea, they told him he couldn't use the title miracles unless he could prove just one miracle. He couldn't




And you didn't see him expose a prominent Pastor? Just tell me you didn't see that

PastorKun:


Congratulations in your attempt to bring Jesus down whilst glorifying oyaks and joagbaje.

There is nothing difficult about verifying a simple case of miraculous healing, shame on your thieving pastor for not being able to verify a single one of his so called miracles.

Jesus wasn't able to verify his miracles to the "PastorKun's" of his days too oh!
Does that mean, shame on him too?


*I dey laugh in swahili*

Can PastorKun explain to everyone how that though the working of miracles is backed by the Holy Ghost, the man behind it is always held responsible for it?

jared007:
you are here critical about miracles 4rm pastor chris when ordinary members are healing d sick and making people get up 4rm wheel chair. I ve laid hands on people b4 and they fell under the power of the holy ghost!

nora544:


This is no miracle, sorrry that i have to tell you this, that with the modern medicine you can make this.

Just see it in the news yesterday that a woman who has now womb, got a new womp and after 2 years she got a child so that is modern medicine and no miracles University hospitaly of vienna they can make this and they are not the only hospital in the world who make this.

I know in nigeria you see only church programs but no informations about medicne.
We had yesterday a documentation it was about 50 minutes long about ebola and what they are doing and about medicine and about zmapp but i know it is more important to look at your rich pastors that you get brainwashed.

Happy Sunday maam!
This appears to be my first interaction with you on NL!

Eeerm... you might wanna go easy on that device of yours. Okay?
I almost wanted to say your typos are legendary but...
I know about test tube babies and other medical process of reproduction (which isn't news anyway) but my question is based on babies that were conceived outside such processes! Thanks!

nora544:


This is no miracle, sorrry that i have to tell you this, that with the modern medicine you can make this.

Just see it in the news yesterday that a woman who has now womb, got a new womp and after 2 years she got a child so that is modern medicine and no miracles University hospitaly of vienna they can make this and they are not the only hospital in the world who make this.

I know in nigeria you see only church programs but no informations about medicne.
We had yesterday a documentation it was about 50 minutes long about ebola and what they are doing and about medicine and about zmapp but i know it is more important to look at your rich pastors that you get brainwashed.

Kenny4lyfe:


Happy Sunday maam!
This appears to be my first interaction with you on NL!

Eeerm... you might wanna go easy on that device of yours. Okay?
I almost wanted to say your typos are legendary but... :-x
I know about test tube babies and other medical process of reproduction (which isn't news anyway) but my question is based on babies that were conceived outside such processes! Thanks!

nora544:


I want to see the documents because I know about the miracles in nigeria running to India and than telling his followers God in his grace gave us 2 kids at the same time and when they make it in india with modern medicine and also in nigeria it is possib ;Dle.

Pastor chris has no documents about his miracles and I know this so stop telling lies.

nora544:


I want to see the documents because I know about the miracles in nigeria running to India and than telling his followers God in his grace gave us 2 kids at the same time and when they make it in india with modern medicine and also in nigeria it is possible.

Pastor chris has no documents about his miracles and I know this so stop telling lies.

Quote me again when you're done working on your typos maam. Maybe you'll get the truths you're looking for.
Until then, see ya!

Gombs:

Who needs crack ya' ribs when you can lol it out right here?

nora544:


Sorry but the miracles of this pastor chris are fake and not real he need it that he got more money out of his followers.

jared007:
nora the self-righteous babe abi na boy u be? Which church u dey attend sef becos all ur previous posts happen to criticize pastors of different churches?

Gombs:


Its a she... and she claims to be Catholic.

Lobeez:


I was giving an example from a crusade here in Nigeria that I'm well aware of that was reported to have 3.5 million in attendance in a venue that cannot take more that 60,000 people sitting. If you cant figure out the estimations i made then sorry I'm not a maths teacher

I think you missed this part of the wikipedia post:

"When he went to the hospital to have his shoulder checked, he was diagnosed with a heart condition and had to announce his retirement from boxing. It later surfaced that the chairman of the medical advisory board for the Nevada State Athletic Commission believed his condition to be consistent with HGH use"

Isn't very simple to figure out why he passed the examination? because there was no heart condition the previous test went wrong because of the morphine in his bloodstream. He said himself that there was no healing don't you get it. these were his very words: "There really was not anything to heal. That is because I do not believe that I had a problem with my heart to begin with."

Nope, because Benny has been caught pants down countless times lying. Please watch the videos I posted, when you're done, I'll give you more






Does it make any difference? now I given you proof so what do you say now?

Gombs:


Its a she... and she claims to be Catholic.

Lobeez:


stop trying to shift the post dude, we're talking about the miracles of Jesus and the Apostles; none was doubted, they only doubted the source of power

If he did provide any proof of his miracles, he would not have remained banned

Yea, they told him he couldn't use the title miracles unless he could prove just one miracle. He couldn't




And you didn't see him expose a prominent Pastor? Just tell me you didn't see that

nora544:


https://www.nairaland.com/1934462/christ-embassy-new-twist-pastor

What is with this post you say nothing, he has nothing to say in UK,

The church in Uk didnot belong to him read this and it is tru.

Why we didnot see any photo of this event.

Gombs:


Can all Jesus' miracles be verified naturally? If yes, how can one verify these? See what some folks already said of Jesus' miracles

Jesus was born of a virgin (Matt. 1:25). It could be said that Jesus was born normally, and myth crept into the story of Christ's birth in order to make Him seem special.  After all, how do you verify a virgin birth?

Jesus changed water into wine (John 2:6-10)
It is possible for anyone to say that Jesus switched the water for wine or had some help in doing it. Else, how could anyone verify it, it's those servant's word against anyone's?

Jesus caused the disciples to catch a large load of fish (Luke 5:4-6).
I can come up with only one account for the time when Jesus instructed the disciples to cast their net into the water; they caught a large amount of fish even though they had been fishing all night long and caught nothing.  From that shore, Jesus was somehow able to see into the water and spot the fish swimming there.  How do we verify this was a miracle?

Jesus cast out demons (Matt. 8:28-32; 15:22-28).
It is possible that demons were never cast out of anyone.  It is possible that the people were pretending to be sick and then appeared cured after Jesus did whatever He did to cure them.  

Jesus raised the dead (Matt. 9:25; John 11:43-44).
Those who were dead really only appeared to be dead--given that the people of the time were not aware of many of the medical intricacies that can lead to people looking dead when they were not really dead. 

Jesus cured deafness (Mark 7:32-35).
The deaf person was not really deaf.  It was a trick--a previously arranged setup to make Jesus look good.

Moral of story... No need verifying anything to anybody, for they'd have their own theory of the matter. Days ago, Joagbaje put up a video of a HIV case, alot of folks here had their own theories about it, no matter the proofs submitted. Same thing in the crusade he had, folks still had their theory. What then? Keep healing folks in the name of Jesus and let those waiting for verification keep waiting.

If you and NBC need verification, it's not a new thing, folks in Jesus' day needed it too.

Gombs:


the pharisees and other folks doubted him. read John 6:62-66 esp 66. Jesus himself said if they said he is of the house of beelzebub,how much more (not less o)
shall they call those of His household. Math 10:24-25

as for God being doubted by the isrealite,you want verses where God himself was pissed at their unbelief or doubt to his mighty works?

Kenny4lyfe:


Emphatically "YES"! Else it wouldn't be called a miracle!


It begs the question therefore, thou Pastor Kunle that: What is a miracle?
Can you explain how 5 loafs and 2 fishes feed 5000 men (excluding women and children)?
Can you explain with proof sir how a woman without ovaries conceive a baby, carry it for 9 months and give birth to that child?
Or how a disease that was medically incurable became cured?
That's all!

Lobeez:


How is it so difficult to know the difference between 'To Explain' and 'To verify'

Lobeez:


SMH! I wonder how you read your bibles, the people never doubted whether the healings really occurred, they just did not believe Jesus was the messiah.

John 6:62-66King James Version (KJV)

62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?

63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.

65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.