Why is Fashola not contesting for the Presidency?

Greatihex:
All of you calling for Goodluck to be voted out have forgetten that it is he that gave back the right of vote OBJ denied you.

That is a lie if you ask me.

But if it's true, can you please tell me if the right to vote is enough for the citizens? Or the academic capacity to pick the right candidate, GEJ failed in education.

The economic empowerment that'll deny politicians from bribing people with rice. GEJ once again failed in that !!

Are we back to this or this is just so?

Francis5:
Why is Fashola not contesting for the Presidency?

Why should we beg Fashola to contest? We cannot force him to contest. Fashola does have the right to declare his interest to contest but he has chosen not to. No one should be persuaded or begged to contest. If Fashola sees himself fit to contest, he should go ahead and declare to vie for the presidential seat. Better still, those who want Fashola should go to his office and appeal to him.

Francis5:
Why is Fashola not contesting for the Presidency?

Based on your religious bigotry as deducted from your previous post on this thread, will you even vote for a muslim?

If you will vote for a Muslim, what's wrong with a Muslim/Muslim ticket?

I have agonised over this matter over the past few months (as if I am APC chairman!), and I can tel you there is no easy answer. However, this much I know:

A Buhari/ Fashola ticket will be a tactical mistake, for the simple reason that it will put religion right at the top of the political debate in the lead-up to the election. Religion will dominate and distort all political discuss and I think that can only hurt APC.

People support Buhari in the faint hope that he can fight corruption. However, if the entire public discuss is dominated by muslim/muslim candidacy, Buhari's real strengths will be drowned out and that will only help PDP.

Those advocating Amaechi, Oshiomhole etc should forget it. Neither of these folks can even be sure of delivering their states.

Buhari's VP must come from the SW, and preferably a young high - profile personality with credibility.

mikeansy:
With Fashola as VP to Buhari, APC will not even win Lagos!

APC will win Lagos guber but not Presidential election if Buhari is the APC candidate

However a Presidential candidate Fashola will get a landslide in South West.

I think Yoruba people are enlightened and sophisticated enough to do the right thing!

Men that statement in bold will never happen in a million years.



Me

Francis5:


There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING SPECIAL about Buhari to warrant Nigerians to permit him to have an all-Muslim presidency. He does not deserve it.

Bruh... I believe you need to open your mind and read more about him with open mind. Don't like him before reading, don't hate him before reading. Keep an open mind, read everything for and against him without having a preconceived conclusion, come back, anyday, quote me, and tell me what you think.

If you didn't read with an open mind, I will know.

0lumide:


Why does Yoruba's voting (Which your are not), and APC's candidate (party you don't support), bother you so much !!


Lagosians will not vote for a ticket with Fashola on it? lmao !!!

Yours is a case of desperate utterance tho..the struggle lol !!

It bothers me because I understand the implications of setting a very dangerous precedent!

Electing Buhari is telling current soldiers that you can truncate democracy and come back 30years later to become democratically elected leader.

I know that the silent majority of the people of south west also understand the implication of voting Buhari!

FastShipping:


Why should we beg Fashola to contest? We cannot force him to contest. Fashola does have the right to declare his interest to contest but he has chosen not to. No one should be persuaded or begged to contest. If Fashola sees himself fit to contest, he should go ahead and declare to vie for the presidential seat. Better still, those who want Fashola should go to his office and appeal to him.

God bless you! It smirks of high dosage of duplicity for this folks to be asking that Fashola who hasnt shown any interest be caned,whipped and dragged into a race he himself hasnt seen any need to contest in

It is the same set of people who have been cunningly asking APC to zone its Presidential ticket to a particular zone in order to appease them without even anyone from their showing interest

edogirl2:


I have agonised over this matter over the past few months (as if I am APC chairman!), and I can tel you there is no easy answer. However, this much I know:

A Buhari/ Fashola ticket will be a tactical mistake, for the simple reason that it will put religion right at the top of the political debate in the lead-up to the election. Religion will dominate and distort all political discuss and I think that can only hurt APC.

People support Buhari in the faint hope that he can fight corruption. However, if the entire public discuss is dominated by muslim/muslim candidacy, Buhari's real strengths will be drowned out and that will only help PDP.

Those advocating Amaechi, Oshiomhole etc should forget it. Neither of these folks can even be sure of delivering their states.

Buhari's VP must come from the SW, and preferably a young high - profile personality with credibility.

Thank you sister. It wasn't an easy conclusion for me to agree with my self that a Buhari/Fashola ticket is the best option.

No one in the SW can carry the same weight as Fashola. If the north will Vote Buhari, believe it or not, whether Fashola is a Muslim or not is not a problem in the SW!!! And SW will not trade the closest they'll be to power in 8years for some religious sentiments.

That was my conclusion.

0lumide:


Based on your religious bigotry as deducted from your previous post on this thread, will you even vote for a muslim?

If you will vote for a Muslim, what's wrong with a Muslim/Muslim ticket?

I will vote for a balanced ticket of Muslim/Christian or Christian/Muslim, any day. I made that clear in my opening post. Of course, other considerations will be factored in such as competence, and North/South divide.

Why is ''competent'' Fashola not contesting?

Religion and ethnicity are factors that are ingrained in Nigerians.

Olumide, why are you not canvassing for an Igbo president? Is it because you are not Igbo? Why are you not canvassing for a Christian President? Is it because you are a Muslim?

Why do you expect others to give what you and your type cannot give?

Please use your tongue to count your teeth. Thank you.

mikeansy:


It bothers me because I understand the implications of setting a very dangerous precedent!

Electing Buhari is telling current soldiers that you can truncate democracy and come back 30years later to become democratically elected leader.

I know that the silent majority of the people of south west also understand the implication of voting Buhari!

Oh I see your point (problem).

You won't even vote Buhari in the first place so why are you worried who is running mate should be?

Buhari didn't plan or take part in the coup. And if Buhari is a lesson to young Nigerian soldiers, then they will learn that Nigeria comes first, kill all corrupt politicians if you can and install a new democratic government or a one man rule depending on the situation. If it's one man rule, the problems of the nation will be on your head and you must not let religious fanatics win any religious wars, make sure Nigerians' desire for haj is curbed so as to reduce pressure on currency exchange. The positives of buhari goes on and on brah !! get over it. You have no say in who Buhari picks as running mat. You don't even support the man. lol!!!

I am not a dollar millionaire, and I hate parting readily with my hard-earned money. But if a Muslim/Muslim ticket flies in 2015, I will give 1000 USD to an Islamic Charity in Northern Nigeria. Someone should remind me of this in 2015.

0lumide:


That is a lie if you ask me.

But if it's true, can you please tell me if the right to vote is enough for the citizens? Or the academic capacity to pick the right candidate, GEJ failed in education.

The economic empowerment that'll deny politicians from bribing people with rice. GEJ once again failed in that !!

Are we back to this or this is just so?

how did Gej fail in education and economic empowerment?

Olumide, who did majority of the SW vote for in 2011 when Buhari contested?

The grounds on which General Buhari is being promoted as the alternative choice are … not only shaky, but pitifully naive. History matters. Records are not kept simply to assist the weakness of memory, but to operate as guides to the future. Of course, we know that human beings change. What the claims of personality change or transformation impose on us is a rigorous inspection of the evidence, not wishful speculation or behind-the- scenes assurances. Public offence, crimes against a polity, must be answered in the public space, not in caucuses of bargaining. In Buhari, we have been offered no evidence of the sheerest prospect of change. On the contrary, all evident suggests that this is one individual who remains convinced that this is one ex-ruler that the nation cannot call to order.Buhari ? need one remind anyone - was one of the generals who treated a Commission of Enquiry, the Oputa Panel, with unconcealed disdain. Like Babangida and Abdusalami, he refused to put in appearance even though complaints that were tabled against him involved a career of gross abuses of power and blatant assault on the fundamental human rights of the Nigerian citizenry.Prominent against these charges was an act that amounted to nothing less than judicial murder, the execution of a citizen under a retroactive decree.Does Decree 20 ring a bell? If not, then, perhaps the names of three youths - Lawal Ojuolape (30), Bernard Ogedengbe (29) and Bartholomew Owoh (26) do. To put it quite plainly, one of those three Ogedengbe - was executed for a crime that did not carry a capital forfeit at the time it was committed.This was an unconscionable crime, carried out in defiance of the pleas and protests of nearly every sector of the Nigerian and international community religious, civil rights, political, trade unions etc.Buhari and his sidekick and his partner-in-crime, Tunde Idiagbon persisted in this inhuman act for one reason and one reason only: to place Nigerians on notice that they were now under an iron, inflexible rule, under governance by fear.The execution of that youthful innocent for so he was, since the punishment did not exist at the time of commission - was nothing short of premeditated murder, for which the perpetrators should normally stand trial upon their loss of immunity.Are we truly expected to forget this violation of our entitlement to security as provided under existing laws? And even if our sensibilities have become blunted by succeeding seasons of cruelty and brutality, if power itself had so coarsened the sensibilities also of rulers and corrupted their judgment, what should one rightly expect after they have been rescued from the snare of power. At the very least, a revaluation, leading hopefully to remorse, and its expression to a wronged society. At the very least, such a revaluation should engender reticence, silence. In the case of Buhari, it was the opposite. Since leaving office he has declared in the most categorical terms that he had no regrets over this murder and would do so again.Human life is inviolate. The right to life is the uniquely fundamental right on which all other rights are based. The crime that General Buhari committed against the entire nation went further however, inconceivable as it might first appear.That crime is one of the most profound negations of civic being. Not content with hammering down the freedom of expression in general terms, Buhari specifically forbade all public discussion of a return to civilian, democratic rule. Let us constantly applaud our media those battle scarred professionals did not completely knuckle down.They resorted to cartoons and oblique, elliptical references to sustain the people's campaign for a time-table to democratic rule. Overt agitation for a democratic time table however remained rigorously suppressed military dictatorship, and a specifically incorporated in Buhari and Idiagbon was here to stay. To deprive a people of volition in their own political direction is to turn a nation into a colony of slaves. Buhari enslaved the nation. He gloated and gloried in a master-slave relation to the millions of its inhabitants. It is astonishing to find that the same former slaves, now free of their chains, should clamour to be ruled by one who not only turned their nation into a slave plantation, but forbade them any discussion of their condition.So Tai Solarin is already forgotten? Tai who stood at street corners, fearlessly distributing leaflets that took up the gauntlet where the media had dropped it. Tai who was incarcerated by that regime and denied even the medication for his asthmatic condition? Tai did not ask to be sent for treatment overseas; all he asked was his traditional medicine that had proved so effective after years of struggle with asthma!Nor must we omit the manner of Buhari coming to power and the pattern of his corrective rule.Shagari's NPN had already run out of steam and was near universally detested except of course by the handful that still benefited from that regime of profligacy and rabid fascism.Responsibility for the national condition lay squarely at the door of the ruling party, obviously, but against whom was Buharis coup staged? Judging by the conduct of that regime, it was not against Shagaris government but against the opposition.The head of government, on whom primary responsibility lay, was Shehu Shagari. Yet that individual was kept in cozy house detention in Ikoyi while his powerless deputy, Alex Ekwueme, was locked up in Kiri-kiri prisons. Such was the Buhari notion ofequitable apportionment of guilt and/or responsibility.And then the cascade of escapes of the wanted, and culpable politicians. Manhunts across the length and breadth of the nation, roadblocks everywhere and borders tight as steel zip locks. Lo and behold, the chairman of the party, Chief Akinloye, strolled out coolly across the border. Richard Akinjide, Legal Protector of the ruling party, slipped out with equal ease. The Rice Minister, Umaru Dikko, who declared that Nigerians were yet to eat f'rom dustbins - escaped through the same airtight dragnet. The clumsy attempt to crate him home was punishment for his ingratitude, since he went berserk when, after waiting in vain, he concluded that the coup had not been staged, after all, for the immediate consolidation of the party of extreme right-wing vultures, but for the military hyenas.The case of the overbearing Secretary-General of the party, Uba Ahmed, was even more noxious. Uba Ahmed was out of the country at the time. Despite the closure of the Nigerian airspace, he compelled the pilot of his plane to demand special landing permission, since his passenger load included the almighty Uba Ahmed. Of course, he had not known of the change in his status since he was airborne.The delighted airport commandant, realizing that he had a much valued fish swimming willingly into a waiting net, approved the request. Uba Ahmed disembarked into the arms of a military guard and was promptly clamped in detention.Incredibly, he vanished a few days after and reappeared in safety overseas. Those whose memories have become calcified should explore the media coverage of that saga. Buhari was asked to explain the vanished act of this much prized quarry and his response was one of the most arrogant levity. Coming from one who had shot his way into power on the slogan of discipline, it was nothing short of impudent.Shall we revisit the tragicomic series of trials that landed several politicians several lifetimes in prison? Recall, if you please, the judicial processes undergone by the septuagenarian Chief Adekunle Ajasin. He was arraigned and tried before Buhari's punitive tribunal but acquitted. Dissatisfied, Buhari ordered his re-trial. Again, the Tribunal could not find this man guilty of a single crime, so once again he was returned for trial, only to be acquitted of all charges of corruption or abuse of office.Was Chief Ajasin thereby released? No! He was ordered detained indefinitely, simply for the crime of winning an election and refusing to knuckle under Shagari's reign of terror.The conduct of the Buhari regime after his coup was not merely one of double, triple, multiple standards but a cynical travesty of justice. Audu Ogbeh, currently chairman of the Action Congress was one of the few figures of rectitude within the NPN. Just as he has done in recent times with the PDP, he played the role of an internal critic and reformer, warning, dissenting, and setting an example of probity within his ministry.For that crime he spent months in unjust incarceration.Guilty by association? Well, if that was the motivating yardstick of the administration of the Buhari justice, then it was most selectively applied.The utmost severity of the Buhari-Idiagbon justice was especially reserved either for the opposition in general, or for those within the ruling party who had showed the sheerest sense of responsibility and patriotism.Shall I remind this nation of Buhari's deliberate humiliating treatment of the Emir of Kano and the Oni of Ife over their visit to the state of Israel? I hold no brief for traditional rulers and their relationship with governments, but insist on regarding them as entitled to all the rights, privileges and responsibilities of any Nigerian citizen. This royal duo went to Israel on their private steam and private business.Simply because the Buhari regime was pursuing some antagonistic foreign policy towards Israel, a policy of which these traditional rulers were not a part, they were subjected on their return to a treatment that could only be described as a head masterly chastisement of errant pupils. Since when, may one ask, did a free citizen of the Nigerian nation require the permission of a head of state to visit a foreign nation that was willing to offer that tourist a visa.?One is only too aware that some Nigerians love to point to Buhari's agenda of discipline as the shining jewel in his scrap-iron crown. To inculcate discipline however, one must lead by example, obeying laws set down as guides to public probity.Example speaks louder than declarations, and rulers cannot exempt themselves from the disciplinary structures imposed on the overall polity, especially on any issue that seeks to establish a policy for public well-being. The story of the thirty something suitcases it would appear that they were even closer to fifty - found unavoidable mention in my recent memoirs, YOU MUST SET FORTH AT DOWN, written long before Buhari became spoken of as a credible candidate. For the exercise of a changeover of the national currency, the Nigerian borders air, sea and land had been shut tight.Nothing was supposed to move in or out, not even cattle egrets.Yet a prominent camel was allowed through that needles eye. Not only did Buhari dispatch his aide-de-camp, Jokolo later to become an emir- to facilitate the entry of those cases, he ordered the redeployment as I later discovered - of the Customs Officer who stood firmly against the entry of the contravening baggage. That officer, the incumbent Vice-president is now a rival candidate to Buhari, but has somehow, in the meantime, earned a reputation that totally contradicts his conduct at the time. Wherever the truth lies, it does not redound to the credibility of the dictator of that time, General Buhari whose word was law, but whose allegiances were clearly negotiable.On the theme of double, triple, multiple standards in the enforcement of the law, and indeed of the decrees passed by the Buhari regime at the time, let us recall the notorious case of Triple Alhaji Alhaji Alhaji, then Permanent Secretary in the Ministry of Finance. Who was caught, literally, with his pants down in distant Austria. That was not the crime however, and private conduct should always remain restricted to the domain of private censure.There was no decree against civil servants proving just as hormone driven as anyone else, especially outside the nation's borders. However, there was a clear decree against the keeping of foreign accounts, and this was what emerged from the Austrian escapade. Alhaji Alhaji kept, not one, but several undeclared foreign accounts, and he had no business being in possession of the large amount of foreign currency of which he was robbed by his overnight companion. The media screamed for an even application of the law, but Buhari had turned suddenly deaf.By contrast, Fela Anikulapo languished in goal for years, sentenced under that very draconian decree. His crime was being in possession of foreign exchange that he had legitimately received for the immediate upkeep of his band as they set off for an international engagement. A vicious sentence was slapped down on Fela by a judge who later became so remorse stricken at least after Buhari's overthrow that he went to the King of Afro-beat and apologized.Lesser known was the traumatic experience of the director of an international communication agency, an affiliate of UNESCO. Akin Fatoyinbo arrived at the airport in complete ignorance of the new currency decree. He was thrown in gaol in especially brutal condition, an experience from which he never fully recovered. It took several months of high-level intervention before that innocent man was eventually freed.These were not exceptional but mere sample cases from among hundreds of others, victims of a decree that was selectively applied, a decree that routinely penalized innocents and ruined the careers and businesses of many.What else? What does one choose to include or leave out? What precisely was Ebenezer Babatope's crime that he should have spent the entire tenure of General Buhari in detention?Nothing beyond the fact that he once warned in the media that Buhari was an ambitious soldier who would bear watching through the lenses of a coup-detat. Babatope's father died while he was in Buhari's custody, the dictator remained deaf to every plea that he be at least released to attend his father's funeral, even under guard. I wrote an article at the time, denouncing this pointless insensitivity. So little to demand by a man who was never accused of, nor tried for any crime,much less found guilty. Such a load of vindictiveness that smothered all traces of basic human compassion deserves no further comment in a nation that values its traditions.But then, speaking the truth was not what Buhari, as a self-imposed leader, was especially enamoured of enquire of Tunde Thompson and Nduka Irabor both of whom, faithful to their journalistic calling, published nothing but the truth, yet ended up sentenced under Buhari's decree. Mind you, no one can say that Buhari was not true to his word. Shall tamper with the freedom of the press swore the dictator immediately on grabbing office, and this was exactly what he did. And so on, and on, and on

Most of d people talking now will fail 2know that there is no state pdp will not get votes but there are so many states apc will not get a single vote. Buhari was ruling and north was dis backward with almajiri didnt he see them then.if indeed he was d one ruling or Idiagbon

0lumide:



Oh I see your point (problem).

You won't even vote Buhari in the first place so why are you worried who is running mate should be?

Buhari didn't plan or take part in the coup. And if Buhari is a lesson to young Nigerian soldiers, then they will learn that Nigeria comes first, kill all corrupt politicians if you can and install a new democratic government or a one man rule depending on the situation. If it's one man rule, the problems of the nation will be on your head and you must not let religious fanatics win any religious wars, make sure Nigerians' desire for haj is curbed so as to reduce pressure on currency exchange. The positives of buhari goes on and on brah !! get over it. You have no say in who Buhari picks as running mat. You don't even support the man. lol!!!

There lies the problem.

Most supporters of Buhari do not appreciate the principle of rule of law, the essence of democracy and the need for strong institution.

Did you really suggest that soldiers should go on a system of jungle justice and kill whoever they consider corrupt

Case closed, no need for debates! Meet you on Election Day!

0lumide:
Basically, you want the two regions you are strong in to remain strongly in support. North will Vote Buhari ragardless of what propaganda spits. Eledumare will protect him for 20 more years to witness his own great doings before he journeys beyond.

APC better not listen to religious bigots oo !!! All the people saying Muslim/Muslim ticket blah blah blah are SS/SE voters who won't vote for Buhari or APC even if God came down to tell them Buhari is the only one for the job.

Please pick Fashola as your running mate and forget the religious bigots. ! Nigerians are more open than people give them credit for. It is the bigots with some MB of data and plenty of time on their hands that go around spewing trash. Nigerians have already tried Christians twice and they failed; the two Christians were a total corrupt failure. But that doesn't mean if a credible christian/Christian ticket is up for election, I won't vote.

Kill bigotry. In fact APC, show the world that Nigerians are healing from religious bias and prove to Nigerians that regardless of religion, a credible candidate is a credible candidate !!!!!!!!!!!

and i believe u're one of them with a black scar on forehead.

Rilikoko:
Very sensible talk my guy! [b]All this muslim/muslim ticket nonsense na wash,na just antics of APC distractors to push d party to field weak candidates.[/b]Please my people dont be deceived by their foul cries,lets vote for credible n competent candidate and shun religious and ethnic divide.either xtian/xtian or muslim/muslim ticket i believe what we need is a strong-willed n visionary leadership,and clear GEJ cannot offer us that!....i support GMB,cos i believe in him.i enjoy you to do same for sake of the future of our crumbling nation.

I hope APC don't fall for that rubbish.

Where are we today with the Christian and Muslim clowns we have in Abuja today and since OBJ era?

Francis5:


I will vote for a balanced ticket of Muslim/Christian or Christian/Muslim, any day. I made that clear in my opening post. Of course, other considerations will be factored in such as competence, and North/South divide.

Why is ''competent'' Fashola not contesting?

Religion and ethnicity are factors that are ingrained in Nigerians.

Olumide, why are you not canvassing for an Igbo president? Is it because you are not Igbo? Why are you not canvassing for a Christian President? Is it because you are a Muslim?

Why do you expect others to give what you and your type cannot give?

Please use your tongue to count your teeth. Thank you.

Like someone pointed out, Fashola didn't even step out to contest for presidency.

Is it right that religion and ethnicity are factors ingrained in Nigerian politics? if it's not why are you giving the mentality a safe haven?

Why should I canvass for an Igbo presidency? my canvass for Buhari is based on pure love for my nation and her people !!!!!!!! Am I Hausa or Fulani? By your logic shouldn't I be drumming for a Fashola presidency?

guy please, leave me alone don't quote me again. As you can see, I haven't insulted anyone on this thread. Thank you.

0lumide:


Bruh... I believe you need to open your mind and read more about him with open mind. Don't like him before reading, don't hate him before reading. Keep an open mind, read everything for and against him without having a preconceived conclusion, come back, anyday, quote me, and tell me what you think.

If you didn't read with an open mind, I will know.

You really do think I am a kid who grew up yesterday, right? I probably know Buhari more than you do and my conclusion is that he does no deserve what you are offering him.

Francis5:


You really do think I am a kid who grew up yesterday, right? I probably know Buhari more than you do and my conclusion is that he does no deserve what you are offering him.

So you are not voting for him then.

Why do you care who his running mate is if you won't vote for him? You believe your candidate Joe will won. Why should you trouble yourself with the mistake of Buhari picking a Muslim as running mate?

Buhari/Fashola !!!!!

0lumide:


Thank you sister. It wasn't an easy conclusion for me to agree with my self that a Buhari/Fashola ticket is the best option.

No one in the SW can carry the same weight as Fashola. If the north will Vote Buhari, believe it or not, whether Fashola is a Muslim or not is not a problem in the SW!!! And SW will not trade the closest they'll be to power in 8years for some religious sentiments.

That was my conclusion.

But the same Buhari contested with Bakare in 2011 when Fasola was not in the equation, which would have allowed SW to be inching closer to power since 2011 via Bakare. Why did you SW folks not vote for them? Or is it because Bakare is not a Muslim that you traded away that opportunity?

The bolded statement above also demonstrates the ethnic slant of politics in Nigeria. You are apparently interested in a SW presidency just because you are Yoruba. And you expect me, an Igbo man not to do the same? You must not be a smart person.

0lumide:

So you are not voting for him then.

Why do you care who his running mate is if you won't vote for him? You believe your candidate Joe will won. Why should you trouble yourself with the mistake of Buhari picking a Muslim as running mate?

On the strength of a Muslim/Christian ticket I could support him, depending on who the VP is. For me a Muslim/Muslim ticket will not fly, not after Boko Haram and all the killings of innocent Christians in the North.

FYI, GEJ is not my candidate. I am not even voting because unlike you, I do not live in Nigeria. But I have folks inNigeria I can influence on how to vote.

Francis5:


But the same Buhari contested with Bakare in 2011 when Fasola was not in the equation, which would have allowed SW to be inching closer to power since 2011 via Bakare. Why did you SW folks not vote for them? Or is it because Bakare is not a Muslim that you traded away that opportunity?

The bolded statement above also demonstrates the ethnic slant of politics in Nigeria. You are apparently interested in a SW presidency just because you are Yoruba. And you expect me, an Igbo man not to do the same? You must be not very smart.

And now, Fashola is in the equation !! Go and ask Tunde Bakare who he will vote for Buhari/Fashola or GEJ/Sambo even the PASTOR will pick the muslim/Muslim ticket. If you get me since page one, you will understand that I don't care about religion !!

Francis5:


On the strength of a Muslim/Christian ticket I could support him, depending on who the VP is. For me a Muslim/Muslim ticket will not fly, not after Boko Haram and all the killings of innocent Christians in the North.

FYI, GEJ is not my candidate. I am not even voting because unlike you, I do not live in Nigeria. But I have folks inNigeria I can influence on how to vote.

So you don't live in Nigeria and you are stoking religious bigotry.

Which one be "unlike you I don't live in Nigeria" ? abeg jor as if you are better than those in Nigeria. atleast thats what your tone insinuates!

ratiken:
The grounds on which General Buhari is being promoted as the alternative choice are … not only shaky, but pitifully naive. History matters. Records are not kept simply to assist the weakness of memory, but to operate as guides to the future. Of course, we know that human beings change. What the claims of personality change or transformation impose on us is a rigorous inspection of the evidence, not wishful speculation or behind-the- scenes assurances. Public offence, crimes against a polity, must be answered in the public space, not in caucuses of bargaining. In Buhari, we have been offered no evidence of the sheerest prospect of change. On the contrary, all evident suggests that this is one individual who remains convinced that this is one ex-ruler that the nation cannot call to order.Buhari ? need one remind anyone - was one of the generals who treated a Commission of Enquiry, the Oputa Panel, with unconcealed disdain. Like Babangida and Abdusalami, he refused to put in appearance even though complaints that were tabled against him involved a career of gross abuses of power and blatant assault on the fundamental human rights of the Nigerian citizenry.Prominent against these charges was an act that amounted to nothing less than judicial murder, the execution of a citizen under a retroactive decree.Does Decree 20 ring a bell? If not, then, perhaps the names of three youths - Lawal Ojuolape (30), Bernard Ogedengbe (29) and Bartholomew Owoh (26) do. To put it quite plainly, one of those three Ogedengbe - was executed for a crime that did not carry a capital forfeit at the time it was committed.This was an unconscionable crime, carried out in defiance of the pleas and protests of nearly every sector of the Nigerian and international community religious, civil rights, political, trade unions etc.Buhari and his sidekick and his partner-in-crime, Tunde Idiagbon persisted in this inhuman act for one reason and one reason only: to place Nigerians on notice that they were now under an iron, inflexible rule, under governance by fear.The execution of that youthful innocent for so he was, since the punishment did not exist at the time of commission - was nothing short of premeditated murder, for which the perpetrators should normally stand trial upon their loss of immunity.Are we truly expected to forget this violation of our entitlement to security as provided under existing laws? And even if our sensibilities have become blunted by succeeding seasons of cruelty and brutality, if power itself had so coarsened the sensibilities also of rulers and corrupted their judgment, what should one rightly expect after they have been rescued from the snare of power. At the very least, a revaluation, leading hopefully to remorse, and its expression to a wronged society. At the very least, such a revaluation should engender reticence, silence. In the case of Buhari, it was the opposite. Since leaving office he has declared in the most categorical terms that he had no regrets over this murder and would do so again.Human life is inviolate. The right to life is the uniquely fundamental right on which all other rights are based. The crime that General Buhari committed against the entire nation went further however, inconceivable as it might first appear.That crime is one of the most profound negations of civic being. Not content with hammering down the freedom of expression in general terms, Buhari specifically forbade all public discussion of a return to civilian, democratic rule. Let us constantly applaud our media those battle scarred professionals did not completely knuckle down.They resorted to cartoons and oblique, elliptical references to sustain the people's campaign for a time-table to democratic rule. Overt agitation for a democratic time table however remained rigorously suppressed military dictatorship, and a specifically incorporated in Buhari and Idiagbon was here to stay. To deprive a people of volition in their own political direction is to turn a nation into a colony of slaves. Buhari enslaved the nation. He gloated and gloried in a master-slave relation to the millions of its inhabitants. It is astonishing to find that the same former slaves, now free of their chains, should clamour to be ruled by one who not only turned their nation into a slave plantation, but forbade them any discussion of their condition.So Tai Solarin is already forgotten? Tai who stood at street corners, fearlessly distributing leaflets that took up the gauntlet where the media had dropped it. Tai who was incarcerated by that regime and denied even the medication for his asthmatic condition? Tai did not ask to be sent for treatment overseas; all he asked was his traditional medicine that had proved so effective after years of struggle with asthma!Nor must we omit the manner of Buhari coming to power and the pattern of his corrective rule.Shagari's NPN had already run out of steam and was near universally detested except of course by the handful that still benefited from that regime of profligacy and rabid fascism.Responsibility for the national condition lay squarely at the door of the ruling party, obviously, but against whom was Buharis coup staged? Judging by the conduct of that regime, it was not against Shagaris government but against the opposition.The head of government, on whom primary responsibility lay, was Shehu Shagari. Yet that individual was kept in cozy house detention in Ikoyi while his powerless deputy, Alex Ekwueme, was locked up in Kiri-kiri prisons. Such was the Buhari notion ofequitable apportionment of guilt and/or responsibility.And then the cascade of escapes of the wanted, and culpable politicians. Manhunts across the length and breadth of the nation, roadblocks everywhere and borders tight as steel zip locks. Lo and behold, the chairman of the party, Chief Akinloye, strolled out coolly across the border. Richard Akinjide, Legal Protector of the ruling party, slipped out with equal ease. The Rice Minister, Umaru Dikko, who declared that Nigerians were yet to eat f'rom dustbins - escaped through the same airtight dragnet. The clumsy attempt to crate him home was punishment for his ingratitude, since he went berserk when, after waiting in vain, he concluded that the coup had not been staged, after all, for the immediate consolidation of the party of extreme right-wing vultures, but for the military hyenas.The case of the overbearing Secretary-General of the party, Uba Ahmed, was even more noxious. Uba Ahmed was out of the country at the time. Despite the closure of the Nigerian airspace, he compelled the pilot of his plane to demand special landing permission, since his passenger load included the almighty Uba Ahmed. Of course, he had not known of the change in his status since he was airborne.The delighted airport commandant, realizing that he had a much valued fish swimming willingly into a waiting net, approved the request. Uba Ahmed disembarked into the arms of a military guard and was promptly clamped in detention.Incredibly, he vanished a few days after and reappeared in safety overseas. Those whose memories have become calcified should explore the media coverage of that saga. Buhari was asked to explain the vanished act of this much prized quarry and his response was one of the most arrogant levity. Coming from one who had shot his way into power on the slogan of discipline, it was nothing short of impudent.Shall we revisit the tragicomic series of trials that landed several politicians several lifetimes in prison? Recall, if you please, the judicial processes undergone by the septuagenarian Chief Adekunle Ajasin. He was arraigned and tried before Buhari's punitive tribunal but acquitted. Dissatisfied, Buhari ordered his re-trial. Again, the Tribunal could not find this man guilty of a single crime, so once again he was returned for trial, only to be acquitted of all charges of corruption or abuse of office.Was Chief Ajasin thereby released? No! He was ordered detained indefinitely, simply for the crime of winning an election and refusing to knuckle under Shagari's reign of terror.The conduct of the Buhari regime after his coup was not merely one of double, triple, multiple standards but a cynical travesty of justice. Audu Ogbeh, currently chairman of the Action Congress was one of the few figures of rectitude within the NPN. Just as he has done in recent times with the PDP, he played the role of an internal critic and reformer, warning, dissenting, and setting an example of probity within his ministry.For that crime he spent months in unjust incarceration.Guilty by association? Well, if that was the motivating yardstick of the administration of the Buhari justice, then it was most selectively applied.The utmost severity of the Buhari-Idiagbon justice was especially reserved either for the opposition in general, or for those within the ruling party who had showed the sheerest sense of responsibility and patriotism.Shall I remind this nation of Buhari's deliberate humiliating treatment of the Emir of Kano and the Oni of Ife over their visit to the state of Israel? I hold no brief for traditional rulers and their relationship with governments, but insist on regarding them as entitled to all the rights, privileges and responsibilities of any Nigerian citizen. This royal duo went to Israel on their private steam and private business.Simply because the Buhari regime was pursuing some antagonistic foreign policy towards Israel, a policy of which these traditional rulers were not a part, they were subjected on their return to a treatment that could only be described as a head masterly chastisement of errant pupils. Since when, may one ask, did a free citizen of the Nigerian nation require the permission of a head of state to visit a foreign nation that was willing to offer that tourist a visa.?One is only too aware that some Nigerians love to point to Buhari's agenda of discipline as the shining jewel in his scrap-iron crown. To inculcate discipline however, one must lead by example, obeying laws set down as guides to public probity.Example speaks louder than declarations, and rulers cannot exempt themselves from the disciplinary structures imposed on the overall polity, especially on any issue that seeks to establish a policy for public well-being. The story of the thirty something suitcases it would appear that they were even closer to fifty - found unavoidable mention in my recent memoirs, YOU MUST SET FORTH AT DOWN, written long before Buhari became spoken of as a credible candidate. For the exercise of a changeover of the national currency, the Nigerian borders air, sea and land had been shut tight.Nothing was supposed to move in or out, not even cattle egrets.Yet a prominent camel was allowed through that needles eye. Not only did Buhari dispatch his aide-de-camp, Jokolo later to become an emir- to facilitate the entry of those cases, he ordered the redeployment as I later discovered - of the Customs Officer who stood firmly against the entry of the contravening baggage. That officer, the incumbent Vice-president is now a rival candidate to Buhari, but has somehow, in the meantime, earned a reputation that totally contradicts his conduct at the time. Wherever the truth lies, it does not redound to the credibility of the dictator of that time, General Buhari whose word was law, but whose allegiances were clearly negotiable.On the theme of double, triple, multiple standards in the enforcement of the law, and indeed of the decrees passed by the Buhari regime at the time, let us recall the notorious case of Triple Alhaji Alhaji Alhaji, then Permanent Secretary in the Ministry of Finance. Who was caught, literally, with his pants down in distant Austria. That was not the crime however, and private conduct should always remain restricted to the domain of private censure.There was no decree against civil servants proving just as hormone driven as anyone else, especially outside the nation's borders. However, there was a clear decree against the keeping of foreign accounts, and this was what emerged from the Austrian escapade. Alhaji Alhaji kept, not one, but several undeclared foreign accounts, and he had no business being in possession of the large amount of foreign currency of which he was robbed by his overnight companion. The media screamed for an even application of the law, but Buhari had turned suddenly deaf.By contrast, Fela Anikulapo languished in goal for years, sentenced under that very draconian decree. His crime was being in possession of foreign exchange that he had legitimately received for the immediate upkeep of his band as they set off for an international engagement. A vicious sentence was slapped down on Fela by a judge who later became so remorse stricken at least after Buhari's overthrow that he went to the King of Afro-beat and apologized.Lesser known was the traumatic experience of the director of an international communication agency, an affiliate of UNESCO. Akin Fatoyinbo arrived at the airport in complete ignorance of the new currency decree. He was thrown in gaol in especially brutal condition, an experience from which he never fully recovered. It took several months of high-level intervention before that innocent man was eventually freed.These were not exceptional but mere sample cases from among hundreds of others, victims of a decree that was selectively applied, a decree that routinely penalized innocents and ruined the careers and businesses of many.What else? What does one choose to include or leave out? What precisely was Ebenezer Babatope's crime that he should have spent the entire tenure of General Buhari in detention?Nothing beyond the fact that he once warned in the media that Buhari was an ambitious soldier who would bear watching through the lenses of a coup-detat. Babatope's father died while he was in Buhari's custody, the dictator remained deaf to every plea that he be at least released to attend his father's funeral, even under guard. I wrote an article at the time, denouncing this pointless insensitivity. So little to demand by a man who was never accused of, nor tried for any crime,much less found guilty. Such a load of vindictiveness that smothered all traces of basic human compassion deserves no further comment in a nation that values its traditions.But then, speaking the truth was not what Buhari, as a self-imposed leader, was especially enamoured of enquire of Tunde Thompson and Nduka Irabor both of whom, faithful to their journalistic calling, published nothing but the truth, yet ended up sentenced under Buhari's decree. Mind you, no one can say that Buhari was not true to his word. Shall tamper with the freedom of the press swore the dictator immediately on grabbing office, and this was exactly what he did. And so on, and on, and on

brah !!! tooooooo loooooong and it hurts my eyes..

Francis5:


Dude, I do not care where in the South the VP comes from but he MUST be a Christian.

May I ask you why Fashola, as smart and educated as he claims to be (or as smart/educated as you people make him out to be) is not contesting for the Presidency? I WOULD VOTE HIM RATHER THAN BUHARI

But the election is NOT just about YOU though, why can't you get that into your head? As you can see, majority of the commenters on here are not in support of your idea as can be seen from the number of likes to the opposing opinion so give it a rest, will you?

ratiken:
The grounds on which General Buhari is being promoted as the alternative choice are … not only shaky, but pitifully naive. History matters. Records are not kept simply to assist the weakness of memory, but to operate as guides to the future. Of course, we know that human beings change. What the claims of personality change or transformation impose on us is a rigorous inspection of the evidence, not wishful speculation or behind-the- scenes assurances. Public offence, crimes against a polity, must be answered in the public space, not in caucuses of bargaining. In Buhari, we have been offered no evidence of the sheerest prospect of change. On the contrary, all evident suggests that this is one individual who remains convinced that this is one ex-ruler that the nation cannot call to order.Buhari ? need one remind anyone - was one of the generals who treated a Commission of Enquiry, the Oputa Panel, with unconcealed disdain. Like Babangida and Abdusalami, he refused to put in appearance even though complaints that were tabled against him involved a career of gross abuses of power and blatant assault on the fundamental human rights of the Nigerian citizenry.Prominent against these charges was an act that amounted to nothing less than judicial murder, the execution of a citizen under a retroactive decree.Does Decree 20 ring a bell? If not, then, perhaps the names of three youths - Lawal Ojuolape (30), Bernard Ogedengbe (29) and Bartholomew Owoh (26) do. To put it quite plainly, one of those three Ogedengbe - was executed for a crime that did not carry a capital forfeit at the time it was committed.This was an unconscionable crime, carried out in defiance of the pleas and protests of nearly every sector of the Nigerian and international community religious, civil rights, political, trade unions etc.Buhari and his sidekick and his partner-in-crime, Tunde Idiagbon persisted in this inhuman act for one reason and one reason only: to place Nigerians on notice that they were now under an iron, inflexible rule, under governance by fear.The execution of that youthful innocent for so he was, since the punishment did not exist at the time of commission - was nothing short of premeditated murder, for which the perpetrators should normally stand trial upon their loss of immunity.Are we truly expected to forget this violation of our entitlement to security as provided under existing laws? And even if our sensibilities have become blunted by succeeding seasons of cruelty and brutality, if power itself had so coarsened the sensibilities also of rulers and corrupted their judgment, what should one rightly expect after they have been rescued from the snare of power. At the very least, a revaluation, leading hopefully to remorse, and its expression to a wronged society. At the very least, such a revaluation should engender reticence, silence. In the case of Buhari, it was the opposite. Since leaving office he has declared in the most categorical terms that he had no regrets over this murder and would do so again.Human life is inviolate. The right to life is the uniquely fundamental right on which all other rights are based. The crime that General Buhari committed against the entire nation went further however, inconceivable as it might first appear.That crime is one of the most profound negations of civic being. Not content with hammering down the freedom of expression in general terms, Buhari specifically forbade all public discussion of a return to civilian, democratic rule. Let us constantly applaud our media those battle scarred professionals did not completely knuckle down.They resorted to cartoons and oblique, elliptical references to sustain the people's campaign for a time-table to democratic rule. Overt agitation for a democratic time table however remained rigorously suppressed military dictatorship, and a specifically incorporated in Buhari and Idiagbon was here to stay. To deprive a people of volition in their own political direction is to turn a nation into a colony of slaves. Buhari enslaved the nation. He gloated and gloried in a master-slave relation to the millions of its inhabitants. It is astonishing to find that the same former slaves, now free of their chains, should clamour to be ruled by one who not only turned their nation into a slave plantation, but forbade them any discussion of their condition.So Tai Solarin is already forgotten? Tai who stood at street corners, fearlessly distributing leaflets that took up the gauntlet where the media had dropped it. Tai who was incarcerated by that regime and denied even the medication for his asthmatic condition? Tai did not ask to be sent for treatment overseas; all he asked was his traditional medicine that had proved so effective after years of struggle with asthma!Nor must we omit the manner of Buhari coming to power and the pattern of his corrective rule.Shagari's NPN had already run out of steam and was near universally detested except of course by the handful that still benefited from that regime of profligacy and rabid fascism.Responsibility for the national condition lay squarely at the door of the ruling party, obviously, but against whom was Buharis coup staged? Judging by the conduct of that regime, it was not against Shagaris government but against the opposition.The head of government, on whom primary responsibility lay, was Shehu Shagari. Yet that individual was kept in cozy house detention in Ikoyi while his powerless deputy, Alex Ekwueme, was locked up in Kiri-kiri prisons. Such was the Buhari notion ofequitable apportionment of guilt and/or responsibility.And then the cascade of escapes of the wanted, and culpable politicians. Manhunts across the length and breadth of the nation, roadblocks everywhere and borders tight as steel zip locks. Lo and behold, the chairman of the party, Chief Akinloye, strolled out coolly across the border. Richard Akinjide, Legal Protector of the ruling party, slipped out with equal ease. The Rice Minister, Umaru Dikko, who declared that Nigerians were yet to eat f'rom dustbins - escaped through the same airtight dragnet. The clumsy attempt to crate him home was punishment for his ingratitude, since he went berserk when, after waiting in vain, he concluded that the coup had not been staged, after all, for the immediate consolidation of the party of extreme right-wing vultures, but for the military hyenas.The case of the overbearing Secretary-General of the party, Uba Ahmed, was even more noxious. Uba Ahmed was out of the country at the time. Despite the closure of the Nigerian airspace, he compelled the pilot of his plane to demand special landing permission, since his passenger load included the almighty Uba Ahmed. Of course, he had not known of the change in his status since he was airborne.The delighted airport commandant, realizing that he had a much valued fish swimming willingly into a waiting net, approved the request. Uba Ahmed disembarked into the arms of a military guard and was promptly clamped in detention.Incredibly, he vanished a few days after and reappeared in safety overseas. Those whose memories have become calcified should explore the media coverage of that saga. Buhari was asked to explain the vanished act of this much prized quarry and his response was one of the most arrogant levity. Coming from one who had shot his way into power on the slogan of discipline, it was nothing short of impudent.Shall we revisit the tragicomic series of trials that landed several politicians several lifetimes in prison? Recall, if you please, the judicial processes undergone by the septuagenarian Chief Adekunle Ajasin. He was arraigned and tried before Buhari's punitive tribunal but acquitted. Dissatisfied, Buhari ordered his re-trial. Again, the Tribunal could not find this man guilty of a single crime, so once again he was returned for trial, only to be acquitted of all charges of corruption or abuse of office.Was Chief Ajasin thereby released? No! He was ordered detained indefinitely, simply for the crime of winning an election and refusing to knuckle under Shagari's reign of terror.The conduct of the Buhari regime after his coup was not merely one of double, triple, multiple standards but a cynical travesty of justice. Audu Ogbeh, currently chairman of the Action Congress was one of the few figures of rectitude within the NPN. Just as he has done in recent times with the PDP, he played the role of an internal critic and reformer, warning, dissenting, and setting an example of probity within his ministry.For that crime he spent months in unjust incarceration.Guilty by association? Well, if that was the motivating yardstick of the administration of the Buhari justice, then it was most selectively applied.The utmost severity of the Buhari-Idiagbon justice was especially reserved either for the opposition in general, or for those within the ruling party who had showed the sheerest sense of responsibility and patriotism.Shall I remind this nation of Buhari's deliberate humiliating treatment of the Emir of Kano and the Oni of Ife over their visit to the state of Israel? I hold no brief for traditional rulers and their relationship with governments, but insist on regarding them as entitled to all the rights, privileges and responsibilities of any Nigerian citizen. This royal duo went to Israel on their private steam and private business.Simply because the Buhari regime was pursuing some antagonistic foreign policy towards Israel, a policy of which these traditional rulers were not a part, they were subjected on their return to a treatment that could only be described as a head masterly chastisement of errant pupils. Since when, may one ask, did a free citizen of the Nigerian nation require the permission of a head of state to visit a foreign nation that was willing to offer that tourist a visa.?One is only too aware that some Nigerians love to point to Buhari's agenda of discipline as the shining jewel in his scrap-iron crown. To inculcate discipline however, one must lead by example, obeying laws set down as guides to public probity.Example speaks louder than declarations, and rulers cannot exempt themselves from the disciplinary structures imposed on the overall polity, especially on any issue that seeks to establish a policy for public well-being. The story of the thirty something suitcases it would appear that they were even closer to fifty - found unavoidable mention in my recent memoirs, YOU MUST SET FORTH AT DOWN, written long before Buhari became spoken of as a credible candidate. For the exercise of a changeover of the national currency, the Nigerian borders air, sea and land had been shut tight.Nothing was supposed to move in or out, not even cattle egrets.Yet a prominent camel was allowed through that needles eye. Not only did Buhari dispatch his aide-de-camp, Jokolo later to become an emir- to facilitate the entry of those cases, he ordered the redeployment as I later discovered - of the Customs Officer who stood firmly against the entry of the contravening baggage. That officer, the incumbent Vice-president is now a rival candidate to Buhari, but has somehow, in the meantime, earned a reputation that totally contradicts his conduct at the time. Wherever the truth lies, it does not redound to the credibility of the dictator of that time, General Buhari whose word was law, but whose allegiances were clearly negotiable.On the theme of double, triple, multiple standards in the enforcement of the law, and indeed of the decrees passed by the Buhari regime at the time, let us recall the notorious case of Triple Alhaji Alhaji Alhaji, then Permanent Secretary in the Ministry of Finance. Who was caught, literally, with his pants down in distant Austria. That was not the crime however, and private conduct should always remain restricted to the domain of private censure.There was no decree against civil servants proving just as hormone driven as anyone else, especially outside the nation's borders. However, there was a clear decree against the keeping of foreign accounts, and this was what emerged from the Austrian escapade. Alhaji Alhaji kept, not one, but several undeclared foreign accounts, and he had no business being in possession of the large amount of foreign currency of which he was robbed by his overnight companion. The media screamed for an even application of the law, but Buhari had turned suddenly deaf.By contrast, Fela Anikulapo languished in goal for years, sentenced under that very draconian decree. His crime was being in possession of foreign exchange that he had legitimately received for the immediate upkeep of his band as they set off for an international engagement. A vicious sentence was slapped down on Fela by a judge who later became so remorse stricken at least after Buhari's overthrow that he went to the King of Afro-beat and apologized.Lesser known was the traumatic experience of the director of an international communication agency, an affiliate of UNESCO. Akin Fatoyinbo arrived at the airport in complete ignorance of the new currency decree. He was thrown in gaol in especially brutal condition, an experience from which he never fully recovered. It took several months of high-level intervention before that innocent man was eventually freed.These were not exceptional but mere sample cases from among hundreds of others, victims of a decree that was selectively applied, a decree that routinely penalized innocents and ruined the careers and businesses of many.What else? What does one choose to include or leave out? What precisely was Ebenezer Babatope's crime that he should have spent the entire tenure of General Buhari in detention?Nothing beyond the fact that he once warned in the media that Buhari was an ambitious soldier who would bear watching through the lenses of a coup-detat. Babatope's father died while he was in Buhari's custody, the dictator remained deaf to every plea that he be at least released to attend his father's funeral, even under guard. I wrote an article at the time, denouncing this pointless insensitivity. So little to demand by a man who was never accused of, nor tried for any crime,much less found guilty. Such a load of vindictiveness that smothered all traces of basic human compassion deserves no further comment in a nation that values its traditions.But then, speaking the truth was not what Buhari, as a self-imposed leader, was especially enamoured of enquire of Tunde Thompson and Nduka Irabor both of whom, faithful to their journalistic calling, published nothing but the truth, yet ended up sentenced under Buhari's decree. Mind you, no one can say that Buhari was not true to his word. Shall tamper with the freedom of the press swore the dictator immediately on grabbing office, and this was exactly what he did. And so on, and on, and on

Beautiful write up

0lumide:


So you don't live in Nigeria and you are stoking religious bigotry.

Which one be "unlike you I don't live in Nigeria" ? abeg jor as if you are better than those in Nigeria. atleast thats what your tone insinuates!

I am not stocking religious bigotry. I am stating the political reality that Nigeria has entrenched religious and ethnic divides. Try as hard as you can to embellish that fact because you suddenly want a Muslim/Muslim president, it will not fly.

And, I am not claiming to be better than you; only stating the fact that you would vote in Nigeria while I would not, based on our different geographical locations. You should learn to understand English the ''English'' and ''American'' ways, and not read ''African'' meanings into otherwise explicit statements. AKA call a spade a spade and not a hoe.