vooks:
Walk with me and I will share right on. First, let's start with the verse(s)
Mark 11: 12-14 (KJV)
And on the morrow, when they were come from Bethany, he was hungry: 13 And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he came, if haply he might find any thing thereon: and when he came to it, he found nothing but leaves; for the time of figs was not yet. 14 And Jesus answered and said unto it, No man eat fruit of thee hereafter for ever. And his disciples heard it.

Mark 11:20-24
(KJV) And in the morning, as they passed by, they saw the fig tree dried up from the roots. 21 And Peter calling to remembrance saith unto him, Master, behold, the fig tree which thou cursedst is withered away. 22 And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God. 23 For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith. 24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them

Jesus cursed the fig tree because it was fully green and as such he expected some fruits on it and moreso because it was not harvest time. He was disappointed and he cursed the barren tree.

Was Jesus wrong in expecting fruit from the tree 'out of season'? This is a common mistake you WOF guys make. The phrase 'time of figs we not yet' means that no man had harvested the tree! But I hear you aksin how the owner would be expected to harvest before harvest time, right?

Stick around for an explqnation

Bidam:
Jesus does nothing except what the Father tells him to do. I believe the tree is symbolic representing anything that opposes, resists and does not flow with the timing and requirements of the kingdom of God at any point in time.

The mark account you quoted says it was not yet time for figs when Jesus made His incredible demand. Ofcos in the natural order it was not yet the time for productivity and birthing but in the Spirit there was a legitimate "now" demand from Jesus for fruit. That is why i agree with mbaemeka stance on active faith that is aggressive.

Sometimes the requirement of the Spirit is far ahead of the natural productivity on the earth.

The tree also represent human mentalities like yours that oppose the work of the Lord saying WOF is unscriptural and demonic. It can also represent even demonic strategies that resist the kingdom and insist there be no fruit, when already heaven has called on us for action, operations and kingdom advancing works in the earth.

Jesus had to neutralised it completely and encourages us to operate by the exact same principles he did in the situation, he even indicates that we can be more adventurous and SPEAK TO MOUNTAINS ALSO.

This is MEAT and is not for sissies. Thanks.

How many church members have been blackmailed with the ''it is more blessed to give than to receive'' line when infact the first time it was relayed in the bible, Paul directed it to the elders (which must include pastors, bishops etc)?

Resources must flow from those that have to those that have not in the church. May God help us all to abide by this

nannymcphee:


At the point A & B got their healing, wasn't it "time" so what the fuss about no time being tied to harvest or harvest time??

Keep deluding yourself that all seeds sown(prayer, finances, time, love etc) can be harvested NOW, if one has great faith

The church didn't have faith when they prayed against Bokoharam?

so there wasn't one Christian with great faith that could sow seeds of prayer against Bokoharam at its incipient stage to have stopped it then?

Ebola nko, the kidnappings going on nko, what about the robberies? Bad governance nko? Haven't Christians been praying about all of these things? yet none had great faith to harvest an instant harvest of peace & health

showme someone who sowed anything in scriptures & reaped immediately(even the Hebrew hallmark of faith doesn't have any)

God wasn't put into the equation, it's just the individual's faith that is the determinant

mbaemeka:


Time didn't always exist! If you read the book of Genesis you would see when God created time. So God doesn't exist in time it is us humans that do. In God's mind there is no time. When a man asks God for A that was exactly when the man got it (but this is the truth that many like you are oblivious of). So the same man can wait till 5 years later and then say that was when God gave him the answer but that is untrue because God doesn't live in time. That's why Mr A can get a healing immediately and Mr B will wait for 5 years to get the same miracle.

Oh! If you could understand this you would know why that statement "Your miracle is on the way" is unnecessary. That miracle anyone desires can be instant but because of this wanton mixture of information many (even Christians) have subjected God to time and it is reflected in their prayers.

As per why the Bokoharam menace and what not haven't ceased since we began praying I have 2 things to say. The menace has stopped where I exist and I can only imagine what Nigeria will be like if other christians thought like me. In any case we are getting there. Secondly, with all the negativity, invectives and so-called mixtures concerning Nigeria it is not hard to see why we seem to be taking forward and backward steps. Moses faced the same issue with the children of Israel when they left Egypt. Moses will say A and they will ask for B. God will say 'say A' and the Israelites will be saying B that they learnt from Egypt. The bible says UNPERSUADABLENESS was their problem. It is the same with Nigerians today including some so-called Christians.

We would still be praying for them.

mbaemeka:
.....and yes Hezekiah got an instant harvest. This is just off the top. I am sure you would find many if you only studied properly.

As long as the earth remains seedtime and harvest will not cease- God.

Which means the Harvest is not always predicated by time unlike seeds. I believe God's word.

vooks:
So Nigeria needs mbaemeka faith to fast track to first world? And the reason it hasn't is because he is Faith incarnate in a sea of negativity,invectives and so-called mixture? Smh
We have a convenient explanation for EVERY conceivable scenario. Pray and recieve instantly? That's Harvest. Pray and it delays 5 years? That's your level of faith. Pray and don't recieve? You had no faith or others pulled you down with their 'negativity,invectives and so-called mixture'. That's godess mbaemeka's utopia; he has more excuses than results. In fact excuses are his staple and of course this is pearl that shouldn't be thrown to swine for they will trod it underfoot
The reason The Trouble With Nigeria is as fresh as if it has just been penned is your escapist thinking and advanced PhD in excuses

vooks:

Do you also subscribe to this BS of Jesus cursing and killing a tree for no fault of its own?

mbaemeka:
Mark 11:12-14 MSG

As they left Bethany the next day, he was hungry. Off in the distance he saw a fig tree in full leaf. He came up to it expecting to find something for breakfast, but found nothing but fig leaves. (It wasn’t yet the season for figs.) He addressed the tree: “No one is going to eat fruit from you again—ever!” And his disciples overheard him.




When the lord of Harvest comes to ask you what you have done with the talents he gave you. Please tell him it was not your time of harvest/ season to be fruitful etc. Let us hear his response to you.

mbaemeka:
Proverbs 11:11 MSG

When right-living people bless the city, it flourishes; evil talk turns it into a ghost town in no time.

Proverbs 11:11 KJV

By the blessing of the upright the city is exalted: but it is overthrown by the mouth of the wicked.



Some of us actually quote scriptures when we talk. We don't just mouth off whatever balderdash that pops into our minds.

mbaemeka:
Mark 11:12-14 MSG

As they left Bethany the next day, he was hungry. Off in the distance he saw a fig tree in full leaf. He came up to it expecting to find something for breakfast, but found nothing but fig leaves. (It wasn’t yet the season for figs.) He addressed the tree: “No one is going to eat fruit from you again—ever!” And his disciples overheard him.




When the lord of Harvest comes to ask you what you have done with the talents he gave you. Please tell him it was not your time of harvest/ season to be fruitful etc. Let us hear his response to you.

Yooguyz:
I dunno why I keep having this feeling that the handle behind the moniker mbaemeka is a prominent Pastor in Nigeria.

Gombs:


*Standing Ovation

Yooguyz:
I dunno why I keep having this feeling that the handle behind the moniker mbaemeka is a prominent Pastor in Nigeria.

Gombs:
[size=20pt]A Mystery To The Angels [/size] ·

What is man, that thou art mindful of him? And the son of man, that thou visitest him? For thou hast made him but little lower than God, And crownest him with glory and honor (Psalm 8:4-5 ASV).

I’m ever so awed by the wisdom and greatness of our God. To think that He’d choose us—the new creation—to be His partners in executing His master-plan of salvation for the world beggars the imagination. The greatest of it all, which the angels themselves are amazed at, is that this great God of glory would call us into fellowship with Himself through the Holy Spirit, and give us the Holy Spirit to live in us. The angels haven’t got over that yet; they’re still seeking to understand its implication.

The angels of God are glorious beings; they know who they are: they’re mighty, and excellent in glory, but they’re amazed at what God has done for and with us, because as glorious as they are, God doesn’t live in them. However, as "unworthy" as we were, He gave us a new life and made us His living tabernacles. This is a mystery to the angels; they don’t understand the reason for this yet. And guess what! God chose us to explain it to them.

Every time we preach Jesus, and teach about the Holy Spirit, the angels listen. They love it! Because it’s something they only know about from the Scripture, but they don’t have the experience; they don’t know what it’s like; so they hear it from us. Read this beautiful verse: "To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God" (Ephesians 3:10).

This is the Apostle Paul writing to the Church; we’re the ones from whom the principalities and powers in heavenly places get to know the mysteries of God, and His multifaceted wisdom. The Bible lets us know that the angels would have given anything to be in on this (1 Peter 1:12), but we’ve been chosen to explain the mysteries to them. Since this is part of our responsibilities as God’s children, it means we must know the Word, live in the Word, and live out the Word, as the expression of the living Word.

https://www.nairaland.com/393253/rhapsody-realities-daily-devotional/31#27626181

Happy new month all!

vooks:
Hooligan, plagiarist and now spammer

vooks:
[s]He is a godess, a dyed-in-the-wool Christ Embassy Hooligan. He'd rather eat his wife's liver raw before contradicting Oyaks philosophy however stupid and wrong it is. If he is a pastor, it must be with Oyaks Gang

His most infamous claim is that he will live on earth as long as he wishes and Christ will have to prostrate himself before him and beg for permission to take him home. Another one is fetuses blood comes from the mother not the father. That's brainlessness magnified a trillion times. Thankfully am always here to keep him in check

Careful around the negro, he has wished me death in the most imaginative fashion, fatal car crash,suicide by poisoning...calling his BS gives him fits
[/s]

vooks:
Did Jesus curse a tree for not having fruit outside the set time he created it to have fruit?

Looks like all of WOFers combined nobody has the cojones to answer this. This is the insincerity I been talking about, not owning up to your beliefs because you know they are damn absurd and can't stand scrutiny

trustman:
Here we go again!

vooks:
So are you saying that Jesus was expecting figs in the tree in a no-figs season and he punished the fig for this?

Bidam:
We are different in the way we see things in the bible, that is actually what you are seeing there. But what i see is simply a prayer of powerful command. Jesus used the tree as an example to tell us that the authoritative spoken command of faith to actual circumstances in the natural realm is only the other side of a dependent, requesting heart before God in the spiritual realm.

Most of Jesus sayings shouldn't be interpreted literally and that was why i told you the tree represent a symbol. Jesus just demonstrated THE POWER OF WORDS by speaking to the fig tree.

If you read vv22 of another translation it says "have the God kind of faith" or let God faith be your example.

Jesus said "whoever says"(command) will have what he verbalizes.

Jesus sayings is written in code in symbolic spiritual language( 1 cor2:13) and hidden in the scriptures( 1 cor 2:7).

Or do you literally interprete Jesus saying when He told his disciples to be on the look out against the YEAST of the pharisees and Sadducees to mean exactly that? If Jesus did not explained it to them in the preceding verse, how will they know?

Another example to buttress my point is when Jesus being thirsty spoke to the samaritan woman at the well to fetch him water to drink. How do you explain His claim to the samaritan woman that if she drinks of his water she would never thirst?

Mbaemeka just nailed it the more for you. Have you checked the parable Jesus made in Luke 13:6-8?? Tell us your interpretation of that parable.

Gombs:

vooks:
Did Jesus curse an innocent tree to demonstrate His power?

The evangelists spent a lot of ink on the tree so you should not ignore that. Jesus spotted it from afar off, it was full of leaves, Jesus approached it looking for figs,he finds nothing, curses it. And they are not done. The next day they find it dead.

Was the tree supposed to defy its Creator and produce fruit out of season as you commonly believe?

Human traditions are powerful and that's why Jesus censured Pharisee for voiding the word of God with them. This is not seeing things differently, it is a faulty traditional interpretation being regurgitated here as the truth. Jesus expected the tree to have fruits probably from the foliage (no wonder it is mentioned).

Unlike Gombs the plagiarist, I will be honest enough to quote my impeccable sources

http://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=11&article=1956
You may also want to see how other commentators treated the passage

http://biblehub.com/commentaries/mark/11-13.htm

That fig was supposed to have something edible but it didn't and Jesus rightfully cursed it. Puny brained theologians such as mbaemeka haplessly regurgitate the BS of Jesus destructive powers at display and they don't even notice it

PS: This is not a code but an actual ACT.

You can't even begin decoding the significance behind it before you comprehend it.

1. Jesus is looking for fruit where he expects to find it.
2. Jesus is disappointed, there is no fruit
3. Jesus destroys that which was supposed to bear fruit but had none

How many times did Jesus censure unfruitfulness?