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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by feedthenation(m): 5:55pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
In layman's understanding, why do people always believe that they must receive instant harvest or increase when they 'sow a seed'. In my study of agricultural science, there is always a time to sow or plant certain crops and equally a time for the harvest, hence reason why crops have different germination and harvesting seasons - some annually, bi-annually and perennially. So where do our 'prosperity pastors' see anywhere in the bible that sowing a seed will bring instant harvest or increase or instant debt cancellation. I believe that when God wants to set a person free, he will give them the tools and the faith to overcome in every area of their lives. 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 5:59pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
vooks:Jesus does nothing except what the Father tells him to do. I believe the tree is symbolic representing anything that opposes, resists and does not flow with the timing and requirements of the kingdom of God at any point in time. The mark account you quoted says it was not yet time for figs when Jesus made His incredible demand. Ofcos in the natural order it was not yet the time for productivity and birthing but in the Spirit there was a legitimate "now" demand from Jesus for fruit. That is why i agree with mbaemeka stance on active faith that is aggressive. Sometimes the requirement of the Spirit is far ahead of the natural productivity on the earth. The tree also represent human mentalities like yours that oppose the work of the Lord saying WOF is unscriptural and demonic. It can also represent even demonic strategies that resist the kingdom and insist there be no fruit, when already heaven has called on us for action, operations and kingdom advancing works in the earth. Jesus had to neutralised it completely and encourages us to operate by the exact same principles he did in the situation, he even indicates that we can be more adventurous and SPEAK TO MOUNTAINS ALSO. This is MEAT and is not for sissies. Thanks. 5 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 6:06pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
So are you saying that Jesus was expecting figs in the tree in a no-figs season and he punished the fig for this? Bidam: 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 6:39pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
Candour, i endorse your post. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 6:51pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
[size=20pt]Who Will Be There for You in the Crises of Life? [/size] chapter 5, pages 107-109 Sooner or later, all of us experience some of the crises of life, and it's important to have somewhere to turn and to have caring people sustain us. For example, what would you do if you were depending on a TV program to be your pastor and you ended up in the hospital with a serious illness? Who would come to pray for you and encourage you to trust in God? What if one of your loved ones passed away? Could you call that TV preacher to come comfort you, help you make the final arrangements, and conduct the funeral? Would anyone prepare food and bring it to your house for those who were grieving with you? What if your son or daughter wanted to get married? Who would provide the premarital counseling, minister to the wedding party, and perform the marriage ceremony? Would you be able to depend on your radio pastor or TV church to meet your needs? Don't you count on it! There are times when you want and need the presence and touch of real, live, flesh-and-blood people you can trust. You need the support and help of people who know and love you— family members. Acts chapter 4 tells about an incident in the life of Peter and John that illustrates what I'm talking about. After speaking healing to a crippled beggar outside the temple in Jerusalem and preaching Jesus to the crowd that had gathered, Peter and John were arrested by the religious leaders and put in jail overnight. After being questioned and threatened, they finally were released. What do you do when you've tried to help others and take a stand for the Lord only to be persecuted for your efforts? Where do you go when you've been put in jail overnight and then dumped out on the street? What did Peter and John do? The Bible says, "And being let go, they went to their own company . . . " (Acts 4:23). They knew where to go when they got in trouble. They didn't go listen to tapes or read a book. They didn't listen to Brother Smith's radio broadcast or watch his TV program. They went to find the people who knew and loved them—fellow believers who shared their faith. I believe Peter and John's "company" of friends gave them a place to take a bath and clean up and provided them with some clean clothes. Then they fixed them something to eat and listened while Peter and John told what had happened to them. Afterwards, they all prayed together until the Holy Ghost fell and shook the house. Then they continued to speak the Word of God with boldness (see Acts 4:31). We all need our own company of believers, don't we? If we just stay home and listen to someone preach on radio or TV, we don't have any company! We need a place to go where we can find people of God. We need to meet together to support and help each other and to mobilize our resources to do God's work and carry out the Great Commission. That's why God tells us not to forsake the assembling of ourselves together in the local church (Heb. 10:25). That's why it's more important to support your local church financially than to give anywhere else. Pay your tithes to your local church to help it carry out all its work and outreaches. Yes, there are other worthy ministries that are also deserving of your support. Don't leave them out; send offerings to assist their work as God blesses you and makes it possible for you to share. As you follow this pattern, I believe God will use you to help bless your church and pastoral staff and to prosper other good men and women of God who are accomplishing great things for the Lord. And I also believe that God will meet all your needs and abundantly bless you—spiritually, physically, and materially. Only then will you experience the true meaning of prosperity. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 7:02pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by WinsomeX: 7:17pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
Gombs, Forgive me for my language upfront but I marvel sometimes at the shallow thinking of the leading WOF proponent, Hagin himself. Read the first few paragraph of chapter 5 and look at the lack of depth. J C Ryle used to say that if the teacher knows little, his learners will know nothing. That's the hopeless situation of WoF. Again forgive my expressions. So the reason we go to church, etc, is to have people. Like the Yoruba will say, people are your cloth. We shouldn't fellowship with TV, etc. What simplistic thinking? See, the Christian life is not do this or do that. The Christian is a born again child of God. He has God in him instructing him in righteousness. Preachers are simply reminders. God is his teacher. This is one error behind tithing. If Christianity is reduced to a system of do"s and don'ts, very soon you will have the following: 1. Steps to be taken to be born again. Confess... repeat after me... etc. 2. Go to church so you can have people. 3. Tithe, so God may prosper in your way. 4. Make sure you have a prophet over you. 5. And so on... the very things happening in these churches. The Holy Spirit is conveniently set aside until he needed to be used for tongues. Christians should be better thinkers. We should not be at the level of babes, we should come up higher unto maturity. If Hagin had taught his progenies properly, he would never had needed to write Midas Touch. The Holy Spirit would have taught them himself. But where you are devoid of the Spirit and another spirit operates... these are the things we find. 3 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 7:45pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
^^ so, after reading through, this was your summary? 1. "So the reason we go to church, etc, is to have people." 2. Preachers are simply reminders. Your opinions are duly noted 4 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by mbaemeka(m): 7:49pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
nannymcphee: Time didn't always exist! If you read the book of Genesis you would see when God created time. So God doesn't exist in time it is us humans that do. In God's mind there is no time. When a man asks God for A that was exactly when the man got it (but this is the truth that many like you are oblivious of). So the same man can wait till 5 years later and then say that was when God gave him the answer but that is untrue because God doesn't live in time. That's why Mr A can get a healing immediately and Mr B will wait for 5 years to get the same miracle. Oh! If you could understand this you would know why that statement "Your miracle is on the way" is unnecessary. That miracle anyone desires can be instant but because of this wanton mixture of information many (even Christians) have subjected God to time and it is reflected in their prayers. As per why the Bokoharam menace and what not haven't ceased since we began praying I have 2 things to say. The menace has stopped where I exist and I can only imagine what Nigeria will be like if other christians thought like me. In any case we are getting there. Secondly, with all the negativity, invectives and so-called mixtures concerning Nigeria it is not hard to see why we seem to be taking forward and backward steps. Moses faced the same issue with the children of Israel when they left Egypt. Moses will say A and they will ask for B. God will say 'say A' and the Israelites will be saying B that they learnt from Egypt. The bible says UNPERSUADABLENESS was their problem. It is the same with Nigerians today including some so-called Christians. We would still be praying for them. 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by mbaemeka(m): 7:55pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
.....and yes Hezekiah got an instant harvest. This is just off the top. I am sure you would find many if you only studied properly. As long as the earth remains seedtime and harvest will not cease- God. Which means the Harvest is not always predicated by time unlike seeds. I believe God's word. 3 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 8:26pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
So Nigeria needs mbaemeka faith to fast track to first world? And the reason it hasn't is because he is Faith incarnate in a sea of negativity,invectives and so-called mixture? Smh We have a convenient explanation for EVERY conceivable scenario. Pray and recieve instantly? That's Harvest. Pray and it delays 5 years? That's your level of faith. Pray and don't recieve? You had no faith or others pulled you down with their 'negativity,invectives and so-called mixture'. That's godess mbaemeka's utopia; he has more excuses than results. In fact excuses are his staple and of course this is pearl that shouldn't be thrown to swine for they will trod it underfoot The reason The Trouble With Nigeria is as fresh as if it has just been penned is your escapist thinking and advanced PhD in excuses mbaemeka: 3 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 8:29pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
Do you also subscribe to this BS of Jesus cursing and killing a tree for no fault of its own? mbaemeka: 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by mbaemeka(m): 8:39pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
Proverbs 11:11 MSG When right-living people bless the city, it flourishes; evil talk turns it into a ghost town in no time. Proverbs 11:11 KJV By the blessing of the upright the city is exalted: but it is overthrown by the mouth of the wicked. vooks: Some of us actually quote scriptures when we talk. We don't just mouth off whatever balderdash that pops into our minds. 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by mbaemeka(m): 8:44pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
Mark 11:12-14 MSG As they left Bethany the next day, he was hungry. Off in the distance he saw a fig tree in full leaf. He came up to it expecting to find something for breakfast, but found nothing but fig leaves. (It wasn’t yet the season for figs.) He addressed the tree: “No one is going to eat fruit from you again—ever!” And his disciples overheard him. vooks: When the lord of Harvest comes to ask you what you have done with the talents he gave you. Please tell him it was not your time of harvest/ season to be fruitful etc. Let us hear his response to you. 3 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 8:58pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
Fig trees produce fruit at specific times because God made them thus. Did Jesus destroy this tree for creating it thus? Answer that question in the fewest words mbaemeka: 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 8:59pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
And Jericho and Ai couldn't go down with mere talk alone? mbaemeka: 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 10:53pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
mbaemeka: *Standing Ovation 3 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Yooguyz: 11:57pm On Oct 31, 2014 |
I dunno why I keep having this feeling that the handle behind the moniker mbaemeka is a prominent Pastor in Nigeria. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 12:41am On Nov 01, 2014 |
Yooguyz: I don't think he is, but I know he's a well seasoned teacher! He writes like he studied under Paul directly . The Bereans has got nothing on him. You should see Nlmediator in WORDIOLOGY or WORDIOGRAPHY. How have you been? Been a while bro! 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 5:05am On Nov 01, 2014 |
Did Jesus curse a tree for not having fruit outside the set time he created it to have fruit? Looks like all of WOFers combined nobody has the cojones to answer this. This is the insincerity I been talking about, not owning up to your beliefs because you know they are damn absurd and can't stand scrutiny Gombs: |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 5:12am On Nov 01, 2014 |
He is a godess, a dyed-in-the-wool Christ Embassy Hooligan. He'd rather eat his wife's liver raw before contradicting Oyaks philosophy however stupid and wrong it is. If he is a pastor, it must be with Oyaks Gang His most infamous claim is that he will live on earth as long as he wishes and Christ will have to prostrate himself before him and beg for permission to take him home. Another one is fetuses blood comes from the mother not the father. That's brainlessness magnified a trillion times. Thankfully am always here to keep him in check Careful around the negro, he has wished me death in the most imaginative fashion, fatal car crash,suicide by poisoning...calling his BS gives him fits Yooguyz: 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 5:33am On Nov 01, 2014 |
[size=20pt]A Mystery To The Angels [/size] · What is man, that thou art mindful of him? And the son of man, that thou visitest him? For thou hast made him but little lower than God, And crownest him with glory and honor (Psalm 8:4-5 ASV). I’m ever so awed by the wisdom and greatness of our God. To think that He’d choose us—the new creation—to be His partners in executing His master-plan of salvation for the world beggars the imagination. The greatest of it all, which the angels themselves are amazed at, is that this great God of glory would call us into fellowship with Himself through the Holy Spirit, and give us the Holy Spirit to live in us. The angels haven’t got over that yet; they’re still seeking to understand its implication. The angels of God are glorious beings; they know who they are: they’re mighty, and excellent in glory, but they’re amazed at what God has done for and with us, because as glorious as they are, God doesn’t live in them. However, as "unworthy" as we were, He gave us a new life and made us His living tabernacles. This is a mystery to the angels; they don’t understand the reason for this yet. And guess what! God chose us to explain it to them. Every time we preach Jesus, and teach about the Holy Spirit, the angels listen. They love it! Because it’s something they only know about from the Scripture, but they don’t have the experience; they don’t know what it’s like; so they hear it from us. Read this beautiful verse: "To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God" (Ephesians 3:10). This is the Apostle Paul writing to the Church; we’re the ones from whom the principalities and powers in heavenly places get to know the mysteries of God, and His multifaceted wisdom. The Bible lets us know that the angels would have given anything to be in on this (1 Peter 1:12), but we’ve been chosen to explain the mysteries to them. Since this is part of our responsibilities as God’s children, it means we must know the Word, live in the Word, and live out the Word, as the expression of the living Word. https://www.nairaland.com/393253/rhapsody-realities-daily-devotional/31#27626181 Happy new month all! |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 5:54am On Nov 01, 2014 |
Hooligan, plagiarist and now spammer Gombs: 3 Likes |
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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 6:14am On Nov 01, 2014 |
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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 6:34am On Nov 01, 2014 |
Here we go again! |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 6:44am On Nov 01, 2014 |
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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 6:45am On Nov 01, 2014 |
vooks:We are different in the way we see things in the bible, that is actually what you are seeing there. But what i see is simply a prayer of powerful command. Jesus used the tree as an example to tell us that the authoritative spoken command of faith to actual circumstances in the natural realm is only the other side of a dependent, requesting heart before God in the spiritual realm. Most of Jesus sayings shouldn't be interpreted literally and that was why i told you the tree represent a symbol. Jesus just demonstrated THE POWER OF WORDS by speaking to the fig tree. If you read vv22 of another translation it says "have the God kind of faith" or let God faith be your example. Jesus said "whoever says"(command) will have what he verbalizes. Jesus sayings is written in code in symbolic spiritual language( 1 cor2:13) and hidden in the scriptures( 1 cor 2:7). Or do you literally interprete Jesus saying when He told his disciples to be on the look out against the YEAST of the pharisees and Sadducees to mean exactly that? If Jesus did not explained it to them in the preceding verse, how will they know? Another example to buttress my point is when Jesus being thirsty spoke to the samaritan woman at the well to fetch him water to drink. How do you explain His claim to the samaritan woman that if she drinks of his water she would never thirst? Mbaemeka just nailed it the more for you. Have you checked the parable Jesus made in Luke 13:6-8?? Tell us your interpretation of that parable. 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 7:03am On Nov 01, 2014 |
Did Jesus curse an innocent tree to demonstrate His power? The evangelists spent a lot of ink on the tree so you should not ignore that. Jesus spotted it from afar off, it was full of leaves, Jesus approached it looking for figs,he finds nothing, curses it. And they are not done. The next day they find it dead. Was the tree supposed to defy its Creator and produce fruit out of season as you commonly believe? Human traditions are powerful and that's why Jesus censured Pharisee for voiding the word of God with them. This is not seeing things differently, it is a faulty traditional interpretation being regurgitated here as the truth. Jesus expected the tree to have fruits probably from the foliage (no wonder it is mentioned). Unlike Gombs the plagiarist, I will be honest enough to quote my impeccable sources http://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=11&article=1956 You may also want to see how other commentators treated the passage http://biblehub.com/commentaries/mark/11-13.htm That fig was supposed to have something edible but it didn't and Jesus rightfully cursed it. Puny brained theologians such as mbaemeka haplessly regurgitate the BS of Jesus destructive powers at display and they don't even notice it PS: This is not a code but an actual ACT. You can't even begin decoding the significance behind it before you comprehend it. 1. Jesus is looking for fruit where he expects to find it. 2. Jesus is disappointed, there is no fruit 3. Jesus destroys that which was supposed to bear fruit but had none How many times did Jesus censure unfruitfulness? Bidam: 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 7:13am On Nov 01, 2014 |
Are you gay negro? Gombs: 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 8:16am On Nov 01, 2014 |
This are the kinds of baseless arguments, i never wanted to indulge with you this morning. I alreday did answer, your question and i expect you to answer mine. I treated the whole CONTEXT of Jesus teachings in that particular scripture, you quoted, i didn't just pick a verse and run mundanely with it like you are doing here. vooks:So in your little mind the tree was innocent? Did Jesus not preexist His birth, was He not the creator of the said tree? The evangelists spent a lot of ink on the tree so you should not ignore that. Jesus spotted it from afar off, it was full of leaves, Jesus approached it looking for figs,he finds nothing, curses it. And they are not done. The next day they find it dead.So stop regurtitating what did evangelists of old said and tell us YOUR OWN INTERPRETATION OF THAT VERSE. I remember you are the guy falsely accusing me of copying oyak which i never did. Was the tree supposed to defy its Creator and produce fruit out of season as you commonly believe?There was a legitimate demand from Jesus for fruit, just like i said earlier on. God doesn't exist in time. Jesus knew why He demanded for fruit when He visited the tree. Human traditions are powerful and that's why Jesus censured Pharisee for voiding the word of God with them. This is not seeing things differently, it is a faulty traditional interpretation being regurgitated here as the truth. Jesus expected the tree to have fruits probably from the foliage (no wonder it is mentioned).I didnt get this interpretation from anywhere , neither did i consult any so called evangelists of old to know what the word of God says. I prayerfully studied the verse of scripture ok? Unlike Gombs the plagiarist, I will be honest enough to quote my impeccable sourcesThe way you attack folks erroneously with your bile and sentiments leaves much to be desired in the topic of discuss. You are not the only one with a different view on this forum, you cannot say me and Gombs agree on every doctrine in the Christian faith. http://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=11&article=1956Leave the appolegtics aside and read the whole CONTEXT to see what Jesus is teaching you. That fig was supposed to have something edible but it didn't and Jesus rightfully cursed it. Puny brained theologians such as mbaemeka haplessly regurgitate the BS of Jesus destructive powers at display and they don't even notice itSo are you against Jesus being judgemental to a tree that He requires it to produce fruit but it didn't. Are you a JW appologetic. PS: This is not a code but an actual ACT.Your opinions. I see the tree as a symbol. I don't curse trees mind you, if Jesus did that to drive home a spiritual principle, i am all for it. You can't even begin decoding the significance behind it before you comprehend it.Your comprehension concerning it is what? That Jesus defied God the Father to curse the fig? You are beginning to sound like an heretic here. If you do not understand a passage, let it rest and stop breeding heresies all over the place. 1. Jesus is looking for fruit where he expects to find it.Maybe you should look at the many times he censored unfruitfulness, when He gave people talents, in John 15:6, and the Luke account i gave you earlier on...there are so many scriptures concerning fruit bearings, i won't waste my time searching them for you. You go on that quest. 1 Like |
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