Bidam:
This are the kinds of baseless arguments, i never wanted to indulge with you this morning. I alreday did answer, your question and i expect you to answer mine. I treated the whole CONTEXT of Jesus teachings in that particular scripture, you quoted, i didn't just pick a verse and run mundanely with it like you are doing here.

So in your little mind the tree was innocent? Did Jesus not preexist His birth, was He not the creator of the said tree?
So stop regurtitating what did evangelists of old said and tell us YOUR OWN INTERPRETATION OF THAT VERSE. I remember you are the guy falsely accusing me of copying oyak which i never did.
There was a legitimate demand from Jesus for fruit, just like i said earlier on. God doesn't exist in time. Jesus knew why He demanded for fruit when He visited the tree.

I didnt get this interpretation from anywhere , neither did i consult any so called evangelists of old to know what the word of God says. I prayerfully studied the verse of scripture ok?
The way you attack folks erroneously with your bile and sentiments leaves much to be desired in the topic of discuss. You are not the only one with a different view on this forum, you cannot say me and Gombs agree on every doctrine in the Christian faith.
Leave the appolegtics aside and read the whole CONTEXT to see what Jesus is teaching you.
So are you against Jesus being judgemental to a tree that He requires it to produce fruit but it didn't. Are you a JW appologetic.
Your opinions. I see the tree as a symbol. I don't curse trees mind you, if Jesus did that to drive home a spiritual principle, i am all for it.
Your comprehension concerning it is what? That Jesus defied God the Father to curse the fig? You are beginning to sound like an heretic here. If you do not understand a passage, let it rest and stop breeding heresies all over the place.
Maybe you should look at the many times he censored unfruitfulness, when He gave people talents, in John 15:6, and the Luke account i gave you earlier on...there are so many scriptures concerning fruit bearings, i won't waste my time searching them for you. You go on that quest.

Gombs:
Bidam you get time o, God bless your patience.

vooks:
Young negro, let me help you
1. Jesus cursed the tree because it was unfruitful despite the lush green foliage which is a sign of fruitfulness

2. There is nothing here like Jesus demanding fruit out of season, the tree had no fruit and could not have produced anything even when others were producing

3. If Jesus cursed an innocent fig, that would have been abuse of power no matter what lesson you scrape off the incidence

Go tell Oyaks to respect scriptures

Gombs:


Now, you've answered, what was the whole fuss about?



Our answers are similar, I still find it unbelievable, but I know with proper mopping by Mba and Bidam, you tend to get a rub off of the Word. Congratulations bro! More grace.

mbaemeka:
.....and yes Hezekiah got an instant harvest. This is just off the top. I am sure you would find many if you only studied properly.

As long as the earth remains seedtime and harvest will not cease- God.

Which means the Harvest is not always predicated by time unlike seeds. I believe God's word.

nannymcphee:


Hezekiah getting an instant harvest was a function of his faith abi ?

what happened to Hannah, hasn't she been praying all those years? So the recorded act of her making a vow to God, that brought Samuel was the one that she had great faith abi?

When David prayed & fasted, yet his child died. Didn't he have strong faith to have a harvest?

Paul thorn nko(whatever that torn might have been). Didn't Paul have great faith to cause a change?

Gombs:


Now, you've answered, what was the whole fuss about?



Our answers are similar, I still find it unbelievable, but I know with proper mopping by Mba and Bidam, you tend to get a rub off of the Word. Congratulations bro! More grace.

trustman:


The difference is that he was more concise.
Yours was too winding and could easily blur the issues.
First, interpret the passage thoroughly. Then state any possible application.

Gombs:


No, it was guess work.



You should visit that Hannah's story again.



Go visit that story again. The child was illegitimate, and it was the line that'd bring the Messiah. The line had to be pure! After David married the lady, she had a son, find out the son's name, and what was God's testimony about the child.



Visit that verse again. Paul knew less, but when God told him His grace was sufficient, guess what happened to Paul's mindset!

nannymcphee:


So you mean to tell me hezekiah got instant result to his prayer because of his faith?

Gombs:
Well, seems like I haven't answered or attempted the fig tree question, though mba and bidam's take of it were sufficient. I asked brought the tree p to ask why did Jesus went to look for a fruit on a tree when it was not it's fruiting period, and cursed it. It was to show that harvest is set by God, not man! Natural courses may be viable, but the supernatural ALWAYS ovwrwrite natural laws.

From the account of the fig tree, i love the account of Mark, why? Because it spoke of the God kind of Faith, a fact that Drummaboy aka winsomex, shedemidemi, etc violenttly and pitifully wrote agaisnt in the old Wof thread, they said it was a term coined by Wof teachers. Thank God the bible was not trasnlated by those folks.

But in verse 23 in the book of Mark, chapter 11, there are two things to notice about the God kind of faith. First, a man believes with his heart. Second, he believes with his words. (Believe and speak, another term DB and his band discredited in the old wof thread washed away by the tsunami) It isn’t enough just to believe in your heart.

In order to get God to work for you, you must believe with your words also. Jesus said, “Whosoever shall say … and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith” (Mark 11:23). This is the unalterable law of faith. Mark 11:12-14, 20-24

So Jesus went up to a fig tree to satisfy His hunger, but found no fruit on it and said: "Nobody go ever chop fruit from you again". How are we to understand this? Can it really be that Jesus cursed the fig tree just because He was hungry and there were no fruit on the tree? Or maybe he was experimenting. Was he trying to show off? Was the tree at fault? Some have questioned why Jesus looked for fruits on this tree when it was not time for them to be ripe; it was not their season. However, we should note that in that country trees that retained their leaves usually had figs also.

God spoke to all creation concerning Jesus, God declared, that Jesus was His only begotten Son, and the whole creation should hear Him. That was why them fishes had to look for His coin, that was why winds heard Him, but did the tree? No, that was not the case. The bible recorded that Jesus REPLIED AND SAID UNTO THE TREE. Question is, did the tree speak? Of course it did, not literally as my friends here would gladly assume.

Jesus spoke, and the tree dried up. That's the God kind of faith. God kind of faith is the kind of faith in which a man believes with his heart and says with his mouth that which he believes in his heart, and it comes to pass. That was the faith that spoke the world into existence.

Well, what then does this parable teach us?Jesus, the Son of God, knew that everything that God has created has a particular function and purpose. The fig tree was created that it might bear fruit and feed hungry people. Jesus walked to the tree at a time when it was not supposed to be bearing ripe fruits, but He found nothing on it except for leaves. The tree refused Jesus food! Jesus made a demand of fruit, not from the natural standpoint, but the supernatural! He made the request by faith, and the tree, like any created thing responds to sound. Yet, the tree did not produce for Him. Did the tree had the ability to produce instantaneously? A thousand times yes! How? Why? Because the creator made a demand! Ask the fishes who brought up a coin or those thatbran in Peter's net because Jesus asked Peter to cast his net on a specific side.

So He cursed the fig tree not just because it was not fulfilling its purpose, but because it did not respond to God's Word. That was why Bidam said the tree was symbolic...anything and everything that refused to respond to our words as believers, in faith by Christ Jesus, risks terrible consequences. Yup! Demons are scared of ceasing to exist, or other terrible consequences too. Everything that God has created has a particular function and a specific purpose...Everything that God does is for a specific purpose.So if God does not do anything just for the sake of it (eg cursing a tree for the sake of it), then it surely follows that everything you see must exist for a particular purpose. Everything responds to sound (that's why words are very powerful, that's why we talk right and positively), for in the beginning we saw that EVERYTHING came from two things SOUND and DARKNESS.

Sorry for the long write up. If anyone is not contented, they should create a thread and invite me in.

Yooguyz:
I dunno why I keep having this feeling that the handle behind the moniker mbaemeka is a prominent Pastor in Nigeria.

trustman:


The difference is that he was more concise.
Yours was too winding and could easily blur the issues.
First, interpret the passage thoroughly. Then state any possible application.

Gombs:


No, it was because he was a king.

vooks:
No time for gibberish.
Why did Jesus curse the tree? When will you learn to answer questions directly without writing novels?

nannymcphee:


So all those who don't get instant harvest was because of little faith? Where then is the role of Gods sovereignty?

Gombs:


Before we continue, I asked a question before, maybe you answered and I missed it, but I'd re-ask. How long did you say you've been in CE? 11? Right?

Gombs:


Before we continue, I asked a question before, maybe you answered and I missed it, but I'd re-ask. How long did you say you've been in CE? 11? Right?

nannymcphee:


[size=14pt]Oui Monsieur [/size]

can we continue now?

trustman:

[s]
Why ask about how long she's been in CE?
Are you wondering why she's not reasoning like you?
She ought to have been indoctrinated fully by now, yet you're still seeing some 'independent' views and that is worrying you. Abi? [/s]

Gombs:


I find it a bit disturbing, that your posts are contradictory. I'm beginning to doubt your honesty.

You once said you were a Roman Catholic and you left 8 years ago ( holla if you need proof), Now after 4years in mathematics dept Unijos, I find that math you're trying to pull here disturbing.

Being in CE for 11 years readily shows you joined 2003, right?
Leaving RCC 8 years ago means you left 2006, no?

If you left the RCC in 2006, how then did being in CEC equate 11years?

I am thinking Someone lied or is lying. Mind explaining?

Gombs:


I find it a bit disturbing, that your posts are contradictory. I'm beginning to doubt your honesty.

You once said you were a Roman Catholic and you left 8 years ago ( holla if you need proof), Now after 4years in mathematics dept Unijos, I find that math you're trying to pull here disturbing.

Being in CE for 11 years readily shows you joined 2003, right?
Leaving RCC 8 years ago means you left 2006, no?

If you left the RCC in 2006, how then did being in CEC equate 11years?

I am thinking Someone lied or is lying. Mind explaining?

nannymcphee:


pls kindly, show me where I stated it that I left The Catholic Church 8yrs ago? There must be a mixup somewhere

where it not for the fact that I don't have my baptismal cert & foundation school cert here, I would have uploaded it

eitherway, I don't need to prove how long I have been there or whether I'm truly a member.

I'M A MEMBER OF CHRIST EMBASSY!!!!

Pls show me where I stated that I left RCC 2006 or 8yrs ago

nannymcphee:

pls kindly, show me where I stated it that I left The Catholic Church 8yrs ago?

There must be a mixup somewhere

where it not for the fact that I don't have my baptismal cert & foundation school cert here, I would have uploaded it

eitherway, I don't need to prove how long I have been there or whether I'm truly a member.

Pls show me where I stated that

Candour:


Maybe its a mixup but you actually said it on the WOF thread.

Though I wonder how it invalidates all you said about CEC which are very verifiable or how it impacts the discussion going on here. I'm waiting for Gombs to link them

Gombs:


my pleasure

very convenient 'mix up'. When you were typing on that thread, you must have been fatigued? your 'mix up' now has left your memory? a sudden amnesia i must say. Well, it's alright



no need for that ma'am. a little advice: Writing is the most expensive form of communication, and the least forgiving. Always remember that.



you just lost integrity ma'am. I cannot completely trust your details anymore. If you say good morning to me now, i mst check my watch to be sure it is morning.



i already did that

Now mademoiselle, we can move on! where were we? Aha! Hezekiah and faith things, right?

nannymcphee:


I have seen it, my apologies then

I was supposed to write 18yrs & not 8. Was born in the Catholic Church & left when I was eighteen.

if you like double check my words, it doesn't change who I'm & what I know(you can even double check this again)

Do the maths, you will know my age, so I'm not some kid

Where were we again, hezekiah care to explain

Gombs:



Oh! i will.

now, honesty is being questioned. Integrity gone... i can't see how i can believe that was a mere 'mix up'. It 's like me saying i joined CEC 5years ago, thhen go to another thread and say i left Anglican church 2 years back!

Now that honesty is questioned, motive comes into scrutiny. what if;

1. she was a member of CEC and now left for another, and hence to hang a dog, you know what to do to it na!

2.she is a member just few months back? How am i to know for certain, now that honesty has been ruled off?

3. she has been economical with the truth all the while? She said her IPPC IV has been consistent since 2007, a detail se could not mi up all the years, but suddenly mixed up the RCC one?

if she is a member, fine, if not finer. Point is, she could not sell me the "it must be a mix up' line.


Happy weekend bro!

Gombs:



Yeah, Hezekiah got an instant reply... you doubted, why?