Iceflox:

you are right with the diagnosis, But we are africans, we can't help but still remain africans

Alexis86:

there is nothing wrong being African, it's not about the skin color, it's about change in the mindset which religion can largely determine

Iceflox:

you people are trying to give the impression that white men are better than black people, yet you are a black man

paxonel:


the question you should ask yourself is, in what area of this life are Africans better than whites?
is it the mosquito in our environment? or our poor drainage system? or the wild jungle without any form of fumigation against reptiles?
by God's mandate we ought show love to people and replenish our world like white men are doing to their world,But what are we doing? we abandon education and carry religion and tradition as our first priority, abandoning our responsibility here on earth,going to church and be waiting for rapture, thinking God is more interested in church or religion than his creation ..
we need change

Iceflox:

it is the white man world that need change.
a society which encourage girls to be walking naked and there is impunity everywhere, is that not immoral society ?
their high rate of immorality is in the increase. our culture and tradition has helped check immorality in our society and you are telling me that they are better than us.

Alexis86:

it's obvious you don't know what morality is all about

paxonel:


the question you should ask yourself is, in what area of this life are Africans better than whites?
is it the mosquito in our environment? or our poor drainage system? or the wild jungle without any form of fumigation against reptiles?
by God's mandate we ought show love to people and replenish our world like white men are doing to their world,But what are we doing? we abandon education and carry religion and tradition as our first priority, abandoning our responsibility here on earth,going to church and be waiting for rapture, thinking God is more interested in church or religion than his creation ..
we need change

Iceflox:

it is the white man world that need change.
a society which encourage girls to be walking naked and there is impunity everywhere, is that not immoral society ?
their high rate of immorality is in the increase. our culture and tradition has helped check immorality in our society and you are telling me that they are better than us.

Proximo73:

you are wrong, God is more interested in his church than anything else in this world

paxonel:

religion is the cause of almost all the problem in this world. church going is religious activity, it has become a habit to most Nigerian Christians

paxonel:
This is the mandate God gave to mankind in the beginning
Genesis 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and REPLENISH THE EARTH , and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
So., our primary purpose on earth is to replenish this earth and God has not changed his mind about this.
How come churches are now saying that the reason why we are on earth is to win souls to prepare for rapture ?
That when rapture comes, God will take us to heaven and destroy this world?
Why will God create man in the beginning and ask him to replenish this world, only for him to come and destroy what man have put his effort to replenish over the years?
Is God that confused? (I'm speaking like a man )
I know winning soul is part of it, But it is not the main thing.

asalimpo:


go and read your bible well and stop writg posts under d influence.

asalimpo:

watof club going and going to work isnt it a habit of people's lives too? People are at liberty to do as they please with their time.

paxonel:

he doesn't know that in every nation, whether people are morally upright or not,it is reflected in their standard of living and not in how much time they go to church or mosque ... lol

paxonel:

that is true, people have liberty to do whatever they like, because i have liberty, i can fetch a 25 litre drum of water from a tap and climb a 3 story building with it, only for me to pour away the water down from the third floor to empty the drum again. does that make sense?
if people go to work, atleast their benefit is payment
if they go to club, atleast they are catching fun.
what do i benefit in church? i have been going without one benefit. instead, it is transport money i am wasting.
all i know is that, i believe in Christ and i am saved, i don't need to shout it for the world to hear.
let them see it my lifestyle and know
you may benefit from church, people are different

Alexis86:

lol... you are funny o
so it is transport money that is your problem?
anyway, i like this, the most important thing is that you believe

paxonel:

lol.. i didn't say transport money is my problem, atleast, there should be a benefit for every little money i spend no matter my wealth

Alexis86:

then, giving to the poor is what you should not go into, because if you are looking for benefit there, you will get non

paxonel:

if i give to the poor i get happiness, i will be happy that a life is touched

Alexis86:

yeh, it is very important to note how it affect the nation as a whole and not just one individual.
because, no man is an island, one man sin affects another person who didn't commit the sin, and one man good is benefitial to all

Alexis86:

yeh, it is very important to note how it affect the nation as a whole and not just one individual.
because, no man is an island, one man sin affects another person who didn't commit the sin, and one man good is benefitial to all

Iceflox:

talking about giving to the poor, the churches are doing great job

paxonel:

exactly!
nobody can do without people, that's why we are a nation.
i think our interest should be replenishing this nation, rather than replenishing the church and.replenishing pastors pocket.
what am i gaining from them?
the moral values of the Bible, they are not teaching us. it is African norms which does not conform to ethics they are busy promoting

paxonel:


that's true, churches are doing great job helping the poor, i can testify to TB Joshua and this emmanuel tv team and many more,
but we are talking about solving national problem here which is of a greater impact
i mean, how much poor people can these churches reach with their limited resources?
that is why, preaching the right information from the Bible and Quran remains the only solution to the problem of this nation, because, somehow in the nearest future ,
a child from the church with right information may end up becoming a Senator.
a child from the mosque with the right information may end up becoming the president
so far, no pastor in Nigeria is doing a good job in terms of passing the right info from the Bible.
it is money they want

paxonel:

I think i have distinguished between this.
as they applied to reality, God is not interested in religion (church ).what God is interested in is THE CHURCH ,which is people, everybody in Christianity.
so, by extention,church buildings and all the ordinances and practices in them are vanity before God, but may be useful to humans

Iceflox:

Christianity is not a religion, do you know that?

paxonel:

that's true to some extent in that, Jesus build people which is THE CHURCH, that one is not religion.
But church building and all the ordinances practice inside ,is religion. You can't dispute that fact no matter how hard you try

Alexis86:

hmm! this whole thing! is like a puzzle, it takes intelligence to understand

paxonel:

exactly!
nobody can do without people, that's why we are a nation.
i think our interest should be replenishing this nation, rather than replenishing the church and.replenishing pastors pocket.
what am i gaining from them?
the moral values of the Bible, they are not teaching us. it is African norms which does not conform to ethics they are busy promoting

Iceflox:

i still think there African traditional values that should be emulated