GenBuhari:
Unless we choose to believe that our ancestors where savages who have never seen their reflection and do not know how to value things i.e. that they have the cognitive and reasoning skills of a toddler, we cannot believe that they would have exchanged human slaves who could create enormous wealth for the owner for objects that you do not need like mirrors , textiles etc.

GenBuhari:
Before offering human beings wouldn't African Kings with any common sense have offered to barter with other products other than human slaves?

GenBuhari:
Offering to sell guns to Africans is so odd and incredible that it would be reasonable to conclude that it is not true.
If the Europeans are saying that they came in peace just for honest and fair trade why did they come with guns?
What type of peaceful traders would come to offer sophisticated deadly weapons of war, to a bunch of war-hungry savages (who have never seen their reflection in mirrors and enslaves their enemies for a hobby) in their own land?

GenBuhari:

If Europeans were just there to trade peacefully why were they trading in the bounty of war (i.e slaves) ?

GenBuhari:
Did you speculate that Africans were buying guns as a future defence against dangerous angry gun-toting Europeans?

GenBuhari:
So if the Africans did not trust them why would they be giving them humans - men women and children to ship away for a relatively few guns which may or may not have come with bullets which they would have to get from their future enemy.

GenBuhari:
Unless we choose to believe that our ancestors where savages who have never seen their reflection and do not know how to value things i.e. that they have the cognitive and reasoning skills of a toddler, we cannot believe that they would have exchanged human slaves who could create enormous wealth for the owner for objects that you do not need like mirrors , textiles etc.

GenBuhari:
Before offering human beings wouldn't African Kings with any common sense have offered to barter with other products other than human slaves?

kingston277:

This is our only source of information listing the items being traded, as there is no first hand African point of view we can look to, we have no choice but to go by what we read. Like I said, I don't believe wine and mirrors was just enough incentive to trade workers they were using on their local plantations which generated them way more revenue. There was likely another reason not being mentioned.

So how did Africans get ahold of guns then as shown in the bas-relief I posted? The weapon depicted is a rifle right?

They had no reason to wreak havoc on a random continent they had no interest in at the time. They already conqoured the America's, thats all they needed until the 19th century.

No I looked at the medieval palace wall paintings like the one I posted above that told me they possessed guns.

There isn't evidence of whether they trusted them or not. They bought guns because guns are a superior war weapon.

There is just way too much evidence pointing to the fact that they did indeed own and trade slaves, they owned slaves since civilization began. I suggest doing more research about the slave trade and focusing skeptically on more on these points...Than on weather the slave trade actually existed.

GenBuhari:
Africans never traded slaves all slaves were kidnapped by the white man at gunpoint.

People should start analysing the history they are given about Africa, was the history not given to us my the white man that colonised us.

Our people who are descendants of those stolen from Africa, must stop believing they were sold.

During colonial days all Africans were considered slaves by the white man not just those shipped abroad. Why a slave master would buy slaves from their own slaves.

Why would the white man buy something that he could just simply take by force?

A simple bit of questioning and deeper thinking and analysis would soon lead one to conclude that the lie that Africans traded slaves is just not credible, especially when you remember that it is the white man's history that Africans at home and abroad were taught.

Africans were victims of genocide we never considered ourselves as slaves. We never agreed to be slaves so we reject the label of Slave. We are victims of genocide and those who called us slaves better stop using that term to describe us. It is derogatory and painful to hear. Let them stop reminding us of the genocide the committed unless it is to apologise or pay reparations.

Why do they not refer to the english being slaves of the Roman's or the jews being slaves of the nazi's .Well white man must stop wounding Africans by gloating at the genocide you committed, by constantly mentioning a genocide that you are refuse to apologise for.

Call me slave and I would call you slave back - Nonsense!!

update: 15th November 2014
If you do not hear from me in the next few weeks it probably because NL has banned me because I cannot stop saying that Ebola and HIV are hoax designed to ultimately lead us into fearfully rushing to take vaccines that would depopulate us. If the vaccines do not kill you directly it would make you infertile preventing you from reproducing.

Be rest assured that all the doctors and nurses reportedly killed by Ebola in Nigeria are paid actors who are laying low and enjoying their money as we speak.

These are the evil EUROPEANS and AMERICAN enemies that we are allowing to write a shameful and dishonourable history for us.

limamintruth:




And what about the Arabs? Why only the europeans & americans

The arabs with their hostile ideologies and evil mindsets have caused 'we' africans more harm than good too by also engaging in the direct & indirect sponsoring of terrorist groups all around the world & africa, and spreading their wahabi doctrine of hate. The arabs once engaged in slave trading too and brutally massacred millions of africans in the past. They are still one of the modern-day imperialists of the african continent till date.

So mallam buhari clone, better update your incomplete article for the benefit of this your thread. Thank me!

RandomAfricanAm:

That said I'll say this much...
1. the idea of dropping western influenced history(oral or written)
As an analytical frame work: it's great because it puts you in a position to ask some great, even unique questions.
As an ideology: I reject it outright because it's simply not necessary and all data is equal questionable regardless of medium until corroborated.

2. The fundamental issue around African "slavery" isn't actually "slavery" so much as the issue of semantic & epistemological traps; which is just as much a mental issue as a historical one. Thing is this is an issue of fundamental importance to all of the culture section not just this topic.

GenBuhari:
Wait oh!!

Was it not the same white man (a known liar) that is also claiming that Arabs conquered and enslave Africans?

We Africans need to get into the mindset of questioning everything the Caucasians have ever told us about out history.

Did the Arabs really conquer Africa and enslave us.

Where is the evidence?

Does historical records evidence from our ancestors confirm or refute this?

limamintruth:




The same search medium you used to arrive at your report about caucasians is exactly what you should also use to verify my own report about the arabs @OP

In as much as i agree with you that caucasians have done africans great deal of ill, i still stand by my point that the arabs did similar ill to africans both in the past & even now at present. I believe your mindset wont remain the same after you have studied extensively about the berbers et al of north africa.

BTW, why are you even holding brief for the arabs @op? Are you an arabian

Radoillo:


He (I suspect) is a follower of the religion developed by Arabs.

Radoillo:


He (I suspect) is a follower of the religion developed by Arabs.

limamintruth:




The same search medium you used to arrive at your report about caucasians is exactly what you should also use to verify my own report about the arabs @OP

In as much as i agree with you that caucasians have done africans great deal of ill, i still stand by my point that the arabs did similar ill to africans both in the past & even now at present. I believe your mindset wont remain the same after you have studied extensively about the berbers et al of north africa.

BTW, why are you even holding brief for the arabs @op? Are you an arabian

GenBuhari:
What is the evidence (other than history books written by European historians) that support the claim that Arabs invaded , conquered and enslaved Africans? You can use either historical records kept by our ancestors before the arrival of the white man or you can used those kept by arabs that are also independent of the influence of the white man.

GenBuhari:
What is the evidence (other than history books written by European historians) that support the claim that Arabs invaded , conquered and enslaved Africans? You can use either historical records kept by our ancestors before the arrival of the white man or you can used those kept by arabs that are also independent of the influence of the white man.

What report about caucasians did I present?.
You do not need a search medium to conclude that you cannot trust your enemy who committed genocide against you to write your history for you. You must write your own history.

Obalende:
so why hasnt a single african in over 200 years come and set the record straight in a book of sorts and publicize it. Why cant NTA cover bad aspects of UK just as bbc does to us. because the african is too busy lining up his own bank account. its all about me me me!

Radoillo:


The knowledge that Arabs enslaved black Africans is not based on what Europeans wrote. It is based on what Arabs themselves wrote at the time they were purchasing (and/or capturing) slaves from Africa.

limamintruth:



Dont mind that so-called Genbuhari jare. Not everyone is a mumu like him.

PAPAAFRICA:
Thread took an interesting twist.

RandomAfricanAm:


Actually I'm a bit disappointed because there are deep issues no one is hitting. Though I don't really blame anyone here. I actually keep kicking myself because I don't feel like making the contribution I should be making.

I'm trying to cox myself into it right now actually.

PAPAAFRICA:
you should post whatever you were thinking of posting, you make great contributions.

Radoillo:


The knowledge that Arabs enslaved black Africans is not based on what Europeans wrote. It is based on what Arabs themselves wrote at the time they were purchasing (and/or capturing) slaves from Africa.

Obalende:
so why hasnt a single african in over 200 years come and set the record straight in a book of sorts and publicize it. Why cant NTA cover bad aspects of UK just as bbc does to us. because the african is too busy lining up his own bank account. its all about me me me!

limamintruth:




The same search medium you used to arrive at your report about caucasians is exactly what you should also use to verify my own report about the arabs @OP

In as much as i agree with you that caucasians have done africans great deal of ill, i still stand by my point that the arabs did similar ill to africans both in the past & even now at present. I believe your mindset wont remain the same after you have studied extensively about the berbers et al of north africa.

BTW, why are you even holding brief for the arabs @op? Are you an arabian

Radoillo:


The amount of deliberate misinformation and stubborn non-logic he has dumped on this thread is staggering.

limamintruth:



Well, you are trying so hard to exonerate the arabs from all the atrocities they have committed and are still committing in africa by acting so ignorant of notorious facts about africa's past slave traders.

Kindly answer for yourself just this one single question @op: Were the europeans & americans the only ones that carried out slave trading in africa? [since your discuss seems to be primarily about slavery].

I only hope that the arabs (and not africans) will be proud of you for all the defense you keep putting up on their behalf.

Just admit that you have a personal vendetta against the caucasians and stop seeking the sympathy of other africans to join you in your hypocritical quest.

Sorry not everyone can be decieved by your pretense

limamintruth:




BBC, CNN, Aljazeera e.t.c are all one and the same biased foreign news channels.
Oftentimes, they report only negative news about africa, while they feed us mainly good news about their countries.

GenBuhari:
Do you have proof of the historical accounts kept by the Arabs prior to their colonisation by Europeans?
Even better would be evidence of historical records kept by our ancestors again prior to advent of the white man.

Do not forget all Arab countries were also colonised so any evidence would need to pre-date the colonisation of the Arabs.

If Arabs conquered Africans why did they leave? it doesn't add up.

There is simply no independently verifiable evidence to suggest that Arabs ever conquered Africa. This is additional lie to accompany other lies told by Europeans spread out the blame for their genocide against Africa.

Just present the evidence you have let us analyse and verify if it is valid.

Radoillo:


There is no evidence I can present to you that you're going to accept. Throughout this discussion, what you've been doing is sticking your fingers in your ears and singing, "Lalalalala!"

I do not think you can be reasoned with.

GenBuhari:
Because there is no valid evidence that proves Africa was ever conquered or enslaved by Arabs - I rest my case.

GenBuhari:
I am not holding brief for the Arabs.
I am holding brief for the memory of our great African ancestors whose reputation and good name have been destroyed by the lies written by European historians.

I am challenging the impression of our African ancestors that the European historians have created, of being a weak and defenceless and backwards people who were not only colonised by themselves but were also colonised by Arabs.

Knowing that the white man is the liar that he is, i am simply refusing to believe his words anymore without seeing the evidence.