HumbledbYGrace:
But then black people were always hating on each other.....they too still wanted to enslave each other. Slavery wasn't just a white man's thingy. If that was the case I don't think anybody would have left wherever she/he came from.

I grew up in my mother's land of birth, their history isn't told by white people, its been told from generation to generation by Basotho what White people came to do was to lend a helping hand so that we could share it with others by re-writing it.

ROSSIKE:
The op actually raised a very good point, by highlighting the rarely acknowledged fact that the story we get about slavery is actually the white man's account. I'm not aware of any African derived historical accounts - written or oral - which state categorically that Africans sold slaves to the whites. It is books written by foreigners that make this claim. How do we know they're telling the truth? Do we actually trust them to tell the truth, and if so, why?

Why would a ship armed with cannon and mortar stop at a coastal village and look to buy anything when they could simply order the local king or chiefs to supply a given number of young adults or face instant annihilation?

ROSSIKE:
The op actually raised a very good point, by highlighting the rarely acknowledged fact that the story we get about slavery is actually the white man's account. I'm not aware of any African derived historical accounts - written or oral - which state categorically that Africans sold slaves to the whites. It is books written by foreigners that make this claim. How do we know they're telling the truth? Do we actually trust them to tell the truth, and if so, why?

Why would a ship armed with cannon and mortar stop at a coastal village and look to buy anything when they could simply order the local king or chiefs to supply a given number of young adults or face instant annihilation?

And in what currency and what would they do with the money?

Obi1kenobi:
Do you have any evidence that slaves were not sold to the white man or do you simply ignore it because it's an inconvenient truth? Slave traders were little more than merchants. They were not an army of professional soldiers. They didn't conquer lands and seize communities to be sold in slavery. Greedy black men sold and condemned their brethren to slavery in a foreign land. It's not exactly difficult to believe considering the way greedy black men persist in modern times to allow their myopic greed to inhibit their development. If that weighs heavily on your conscience and doesn't fit into your delusional Afrocentrism, that's your problem really. The facts remain what it is. If you don't like the white man's history, write yours.

Obi1kenobi:
Do you have any evidence that slaves were not sold to the white man or do you simply ignore it because it's an inconvenient truth? Slave traders were little more than merchants. They were not an army of professional soldiers. They didn't conquer lands and seize communities to be sold in slavery. Greedy black men sold and condemned their brethren to slavery in a foreign land. It's not exactly difficult to believe considering the way greedy black men persist in modern times to allow their myopic greed to inhibit their development. If that weighs heavily on your conscience and doesn't fit into your delusional Afrocentrism, that's your problem really. The facts remain what it is. If you don't like the white man's history, write yours.

onitshaigbo:
I beg to differ with this. It is not all kumbaya in Africa and it wasn't before. Tribes often hated each other far more than they would hate outsiders (whites or Arabs). Some tribes in Southwestern Nigeria grew rich from the slave trade, so imagine that. I'm not saying oyibos are blameless or that they didn't kidnap any slaves. I'm just saying the lack of a unified African identity would prevent one tribe from caring about the fate of an enemy tribe.

onitshaigbo:
Tribes often hated each other far more than they would hate outsiders (whites or Arabs). Some tribes in Southwestern Nigeria grew rich from the slave trade.

paniki:
History keeps repeating itself:

Black people continue to willfully leave their comfortable lives in Africa to go enslave themselves in white man's land.

paniki:
History keeps repeating itself:
Black people continue to willfully leave their comfortable lives in Africa to go enslave themselves in white man's land.

ROSSIKE:


Where is your evidence for all these claims? What do you mean by ''tribes'' anyway? I find it a very insulting colonial term. Any alleged ''hatred'' and suspicion within the African groups could itself have been caused by the fact they were forced to raid each other for captives due to the threats made by the berthing ships. Look, the minute you have a well armed ship (or ships) berthed at a pre-industrial coastal African village, there's only one way the tale is going, and that is the way of the ships. It's the same thing today. He who has the might runs things. Dictates things. There was no question of the Africans prevailing against this onslaught. Indeed, even if they ended up 'selling each other', it was a way of negotiating from their position of military weakness. The weakness of the 'selling' theory of course is that it relies too much on an uncharacteristically altruistic - even noble - behaviour of the Europeans, in actually wishing to engage in 'trade' with them. The genocides committed against the New world populations by Columbus and his gang, among other European outrages, fly in the face of any alleged civility in their encounters with African populations.

GenBuhari:
interesting you are now asking us to provide evidence.
But you have never asked the people telling you that we enslaved ourselves to provide evidence.

That is your starting point locate any evidence that has been provided to validate the claim that Africans sold themselves.

Common sense should tell you that nobody willingly commits genocide against themselves.

Common sense should tell you that white man with history of centuries of war conquest and taking over people's land would not arrive in Africa with all their military weapons and then start buying slaves.

Why buy Africans when you can just capture them by force? Their story when given some thought is just not credible given what we know about the history of Europeans.

ROSSIKE:


Where is your evidence for all these claims? What do you mean by ''tribes'' anyway? I find it a very insulting colonial term. Any alleged ''hatred'' and suspicion within the African groups could itself have been caused by the fact they were forced to raid each other for captives due to the threats made by the berthing ships. Look, the minute you have a well armed ship (or ships) berthed at a pre-industrial coastal African village, there's only one way the tale is going, and that is the way of the ships. It's the same thing today. He who has the might runs things. Dictates things. There was no question of the Africans prevailing against this onslaught. Indeed, even if they ended up 'selling each other', it was a way of negotiating from their position of military weakness. The weakness of the 'selling' theory of course is that it relies too much on an uncharacteristically altruistic - even noble - behaviour of the Europeans, in actually wishing to engage in 'trade' with them. The genocides committed against the New world populations by Columbus and his gang, among other European outrages, fly in the face of any alleged civility in their encounters with African populations.

ROSSIKE:
The op actually raised a very good point, by highlighting the rarely acknowledged fact that the story we get about slavery is actually the white man's account. I'm not aware of any African derived historical accounts - written or oral - which state categorically that Africans sold slaves to the whites. It is books written by foreigners that make this claim. How do we know they're telling the truth? Do we actually trust them to tell the truth, and if so, why?

Why would a ship armed with cannon and mortar stop at a coastal village and look to buy anything when they could simply order the local king or chiefs to supply a given number of young adults or face instant annihilation?

onitshaigbo:


By "tribes", I mean the independent groupings of people in Africa, often sharing the same language, customs, and leadership. It's not an insulting term at all. In fact, the ancient Romans were organized in "tribes", each represented by the "tribune". Stop being so sensitive.

I find it extreme condescending that you're implying that only whites can enslave and sell slaves, as if there are fundamental spiritual/morla differences between them and Africans, when it is common knowledge that race is only a social construct, and that skin color exists in a continuum from Africa to Europe to Asia.

HumbledbYGrace:
^ ^ ^ ^

Thanks

Op I think you need to read, do a lot of reading or atleast visit your villages Maybe you can find some information there?

And we still have history repeating itself! Are you a nigerian? How many people sell their children into slavery abroad for money Everyday

The rituals

Slavery didn't come with white men please.

Shakazulu often made slaves the hostage he seized from wars and most of them were his kinsmen unless I am wrong somewhere?

See black people are not stupid. I still repeat, we tell our own stories, white men came with an easy way of sharing it that's all.

Lakesider25:
I guess white people are responsible for the baby factories,maltreatment of house slaves,child hawking and child labor you guys have over there .

Obi1kenobi:

Again, where is your own alternate history and evidence? You're the one that is refuting a version of history with zero evidence. Common sense (which you keep talking about) dictates that millions of people couldn't have been shipped across the Atlantic in slavery by merchants without active connivance with locals.

Locate any evidence which states otherwise. Even the slaves themselves know who sold them out and our own historical accounts indicate conquered communities were often sold out as slaves to slave traders by their conquerors.

Is this a joke? Are modern human traffickers commiting genocide against themselves? Are you applying your own rationale to slave traders looking for a profit at any cost? If some Jews (one of the tightest-knit groups on earth) could conspire with the Nazis in the Holocaust, there's no evil beyond man on earth.

That's nonsense. The path of least resistance appeals to every man.

There was plenty of trade between colonies and their colonial masters. They didn't just jump into their colonies and start carting off resources.

Where possible, it was always important for them to maintain diplomatic civil ties with their colonies. How do you think a small country like Britain came to control much of the continents and the world's seas? You think it was all through brute force? Think again.

Because it's easier to buy them than invading communities. If you think they landed on our shores and rounded up millions of people into slavery, you need to do a little more research. They did it with the complicity and connivance of greedy black men. That's a fact.

Lakesider25:
I guess white people are responsible for the baby factories,maltreatment of house slaves,child hawking and child labor you guys have over there .

HumbledbYGrace:
^ ^ ^ ^

Thanks

Op I think you need to read, do a lot of reading or atleast visit your villages Maybe you can find some information there?

And we still have history repeating itself! Are you a nigerian? How many people sell their children into slavery abroad for money Everyday

The rituals

Slavery didn't come with white men please.

Shakazulu often made slaves the hostage he seized from wars and most of them were his kinsmen unless I am wrong somewhere?

See black people are not stupid. I still repeat, we tell our own stories, white men came with an easy way of sharing it that's all.

Radoillo:
Normal human reaction to aspects of their history they are not comfortable with: Tweak it. Make it look like every unpleasant episode was entirely the fault of the other.

onitshaigbo:
I beg to differ with this. It is not all kumbaya in Africa and it wasn't before. Tribes often hated each other far more than they would hate outsiders (whites or Arabs). Some tribes in Southwestern Nigeria grew rich from the slave trade, so imagine that. I'm not saying oyibos are blameless or that they didn't kidnap any slaves. I'm just saying the lack of a unified African identity would prevent one tribe from caring about the fate of an enemy tribe.

GenBuhari:
It is not your history until it can be verified to be true and it is written by yourself and not by other people who committed genocide against you and have an interest in distorting the facts.